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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:43 EDT
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From: EMickiT@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Software Needs
Jenny,
There is of course a difference between what one NEEDS and what one finds
handy.
I have two computers (PCs). If one crashes when I have a deadline, I can use
my backup file and move to the other computer. You may find another way
around that, if you have a relative or friend who is very generous in
emergencies.
I have CINDEX for indexing.
I have WordPerfect and Word. In theory, one only needs one word processor,
but the MS office suite came with one computer. I like Corel's office suite
and was able to buy it very cheaply. I work for two editors who want files in
MS Word for MAC, which MS Word for PC can produce, but WordPerfect cannot.
Antivirus software.
In theory that is all one should need. You should not have to spend a lot on
software to start an indexing business. Shop around and you can find some
great prices on word processing programs.
Erin (Micki) Taylor
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:39:53 -0400
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From: Barry Koffler <barkof@ULSTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges
In-Reply-To: <199808281327.JAA24674@ulster.net>
>Anyone know of a good place to buy laser printer cartridges? Thank you in
>advance for your efforts.
>
Try www.mei-microcenter.com
-Barry
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY
the FeatherSite at
http://www.feathersite.com/
lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself.
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:11:19 -0700
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From: Barbara Stroup <indexa2z@THE-SPA.COM>
Subject: Eudora solution
Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my
Eudora Light version. What version are you using?
Barbara Stroup
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:26:41 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Software Needs
In-Reply-To: <199808290408.AAA25926@camel23.mindspring.com>
At 12:07 AM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Jenny,
>
>There is of course a difference between what one NEEDS and what one finds
>handy.
Agreed.
>
>Antivirus software.
>
>In theory that is all one should need.
What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software:
ISPs, e-mail, Web browser
I agree that there is a basic set of tools required, but I think it's a
little longer list.
Dick
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:31:09 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
In-Reply-To: <199808291114.HAA03036@camel26.mindspring.com>
At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my
>Eudora Light version. What version are you using?
>Barbara Stroup
Filtering is available in Eudora Pro Version 3. Version 4 is the current
version.
I have mine set up similar to Lynn's: Each listserv goes to its own
mailbox, all my ASI board correspondence goes to its own mailbox, etc.
Then, for instance, I can pay attention to INDEX-L but ignore mail from my
motorcycle group.
Dick
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From: Rica Night <rnight@INFORAMP.NET>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
>>Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my
>>Eudora Light version. What version are you using?
>>Barbara Stroup
>
>Filtering is available in Eudora Pro Version 3. Version 4 is the current
>version.
I'm another big filtering fan, also using Eudora Pro. But my understanding=
=20
is that recent versions of Eudora Lite also carry this feature (my husband=
=20
is running one on his Mac).
And if you're not wedded to Eudora, there's an alternative that also has=20
filters, among many other nice features (I test-drove it this summer on=20
another account, and am seriously considering switching over). It's called=
=20
Pegasus Mail. I don't have an URL handy, but I'm sure you could track it=20
down on any of the excellent shareware/download sites that have already been=
=20
mentioned. I think I got mine from TUCOWS.
Regards,
Ri=E7a
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:33:27 LCL
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From: Lisa & Mark Costello <costellos@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
In-Reply-To: <199808291114.HAA22755@camel16.mindspring.com>
Barbara, Eudora Light 3.0 has filtering capability. I don't know if it's
still available from Qualcomm or not (I got it with my ISP sign-up package).
Lisa Costello
At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my
>Eudora Light version. What version are you using?
>Barbara Stroup
>
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From: Deborah Shaw <shawd@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
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I have filtering with Eudora Light 3.0.1(32). You will be able to update
yours at <http://www.eudora.com/> or
<http://129.105.99.240/~beim/eudora/#software>, an excellent FAQ site that
is everything you could want to know about Eudora. There are also some tips
about using Eudora at <http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Howto/Eudora/>
and an MS to Eudora converter at <http://rchalmers.gsfc.nasa.gov/eudora/>.
Cheers,
Deborah
shawd@mindspring.com
At 07:11 AM 29-08-98 -0700, Barbara Stroup wrote:
> Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in
my Eudora Light version. What version are you using? <
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From: Carol Roberts <Carol.Roberts@MIXCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Software Needs
In-Reply-To: <199808290408.XAA02352@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Thanks, Dick, for setting up a format for us! :-) I work on a Mac, so . . .
Operating system: OS 8
Indexing: Cindex for Mac, 1.1 (used with OneClick, a utility for writing
macros)
Scheduling: Notify (freeware)
Client database: InTouch 2.1
Backup: Diskfit Direct, by Dantz
Web browser: Netscape 3.0
E-mail: Eudora Lite
Word processing: MS Word 5.1a, for Mac
HTML editor: HTML Web Weaver Lite (for my Web page)
Virus checking: Virex (about to buy it)
Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My
Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain.
Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer
http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:22:35 EDT
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From: EMickiT@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In a message dated 98-08-29 09:30:29 EDT, you write:
<< What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software:
ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >>
Anyone reading Index-L already has an ISP and e-mail.
Invoicing software? I set up a template in WordPerfect and it is perfectly
adequate. I file a copy. Financial software? I've been running my own
businesses for 30 years and indexing is by far the easiest with regard to
tracking finances. I also write applications (with MS Access) for medical
businesses to track their clients and to conduct clinical studies. Now that
can get complex! Maybe it is a matter of perspective, but invoicing and
financial software for indexing is overkill.
It might be fun to use invoicing and financial software. And some find it
makes things easier. Necessary? Remember, the woman who asked the question
is a beginner. She will not need to keep track of 50 indexes in the first
year. I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't
NEED it.
Micki Taylor
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:12:20 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In-Reply-To: <199808292123.RAA11544@camel9.mindspring.com>
At 05:22 PM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-08-29 09:30:29 EDT, you write:
>
><< What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet
software:
> ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >>
>
>Anyone reading Index-L already has an ISP and e-mail.
Thus having an ISP and e-mail is a "need" and not a "want" and should be
listed.
>
>Invoicing software? I set up a template in WordPerfect and it is perfectly
>adequate.
Does it give you totals for taxes? Track late payments? Summarize by client?
I started the same way, but have long since outgrown that mode.
>Financial software? I've been running my own
>businesses for 30 years and indexing is by far the easiest with regard to
>tracking finances.
I use Quicken and consider it absolutely essential.
>
>It might be fun to use invoicing and financial software. And some find it
>makes things easier. Necessary? Remember, the woman who asked the question
>is a beginner.
What she said was: "I was wondering what software is necessary to index,
provide documents/files to clients, conduct business, etc."
That's not the same as "What's the *least* I need?". I guess you could
make the argument that all one "needs" is DOS and CINDEX. However, I'm of
the opinion that things like virus checkers, backup software, etc. are
neccesary for a business and her question is better answered by giving her
a checklist of things to shoot for.
Dick
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From: Sharon Hughes <SHughes512@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write:
<<
<< What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet
software:
ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >>
>>
I use CINDEX for indexing the usual things.
I have MicroSoft Office Pro 97, which gives me EXCEL, PowerPoint, and
ACCESS as well as Word. I have WordPerfect because I still love it and use it
first if I have a choice.
I have Quicken for home and business, to keep track of invoices, and the
expenses. I have files for the family budget in its own file so it's
convenient to use it for business too.
I have McAfee for virus checking.
Like Micki, I use ACCESS to build applications, to keep track of the odd
things I think up, like contact or project management and lists of all sorts.
I'm more of a database person than a spreadsheet person. But I use Excel for
data transfer from text formats. And I've used it to build the basis of
indexes when pulling data from other databases in various formats.
I'm trying to study Outlook (98's ordered on CD) to see if I can be more
efficient, but because I like to play with software, I can't be sure that it
would be better than a notebook, just more fun.
I have WinFax Pro to handle my fax requirements.
I bought FrontPage to work on a web page design or two. Going okay so far.
On the totally illogical side, I have Sim Ant so I can build ant
civilizations when real life gets too much. And PeaPod to get my groceries
delivered when time is really short. My hard drive is too full, I need an
upgrade, but I know I'd just fill it up with more stuff, probably not
necessary stuff, but I can always find an excuse.
Sharon
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
In-Reply-To: <199808291114.EAA26398@mail-gw3.pacbell.net>
At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my
>Eudora Light version. What version are you using?
>Barbara Stroup
Hi Barbara,
I'm using version 3.0.5(32). I think the "(32)" stands for 32-bit version.
(I'm surprised. I just downloaded this version about 6 weeks ago, but folks
are talking about version 4. Hmmmm.)
Lynn
***********************************
Lynn Moncrief
(techndex@pacbell.net)
TECHindex & Docs
Technical and Scientific Indexing
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From: Back Words Indexing <index@TELEPORT.COM>
Subject: Re: Eudora solution
In-Reply-To: <199808291433.HAA24559@smtp3.teleport.com>
>Barbara, Eudora Light 3.0 has filtering capability. I don't know if it's
>still available from Qualcomm or not (I got it with my ISP sign-up package).
>
>Lisa Costello
I liked Eudora Lite so much I bought the Pro version thinking I would like
it even more - and, believe it or not, I do.
Martha
BWI
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:41:56 EDT
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From: Ann Truesdale <Anntrue@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In a message dated 98-08-28 08:36:03 EDT, Jonathan writes:
<<
Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile
Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's
really versatile, and it's free. >>
I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a
chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP other
than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and*
hyperterminal all working.
The wizards for setting up IN Explorer and Microsoft Network won't work; they
either cannot locate the modem or tell me it is in use or not working, etc. I
have talked to Dell, AOL, the modem maker, and three different ISP's without
resolution of problem. I even called Microsoft support, figuring it was worth
the $35 to get it fixed. After I described all the things that I had already
tried, he suggested that I add an initialization string to my modem setup, but
said maybe I was right when I said that, personally, I thought my computer was
cursed. At least he did not charge me for the call, since the suggestion he
gave made no difference!
Then I tried upgrading to Win98. Nothing worked but AOL. My last tactic was to
reformat my hard disk & load only Win95, with none of the Dell stuff except
the video card driver. I thought maybe something Dell put in there might be
the jinx (after all, I didn't get a modem with the computer since I already
had an external one -- so much easier to replace when they get fried!). No
help.
I know AOL uses a non-DUN setup so it gets around whatever is the problem. But
I can't use Outlook for e-mail, etc. from AOL. Finally I ditched Outlook
completely, and at the moment my fax is working, or was the last time I used
it.
Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any suggestions? After reading what
Joathan says about Outlook 98, I'd sure like to get onto an ISP where I can
use it to it's full potential. I don't like AOL's e-mail "file cabinet" either
- no way to edit out all the sent/when/who garbage when you file messages
received for future reference.
Any help appreciated,
Ann Truesdale
PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is supposed to
rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself at a rate
about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. Then when you are forced
to cold boot, it messes up your system but good. I had to wipe my hard disk
clean after that experiment, not to mention the hard drive replacement soon
after I got the computer. If anyone needs to know how to clean, repartition
and reformat their hard drive, I'm the person to call for. I've had lots of
practice!
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From: Ann Truesdale <Anntrue@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: digest?
In a message dated 98-08-28 12:00:21 EDT, Lynn writes:
<<
Hi,
I don't know if subscribing to the digest version will necessarily be the
solution to your problem as it creates its own set of problems. >>
I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome. I find it much
easier to just delete messages individually when the thread is not of interest
to me than to dig out the items I wanted to read from the digest. Lynn's
formula for filtering mail into separate mailboxes sounds great to me. (I,
also, have a nice hierachy of folders although I do my sorting manually at
present.)
Ann Truesdale
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:01 EDT
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From: Ann Truesdale <Anntrue@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In a message dated 98-08-29 18:16:17 EDT, you write:
<<
What she said was: "I was wondering what software is necessary to index,
provide documents/files to clients, conduct business, etc."
That's not the same as "What's the *least* I need?". I guess you could
make the argument that all one "needs" is DOS and CINDEX. However, I'm of
the opinion that things like virus checkers, backup software, etc. are
neccesary for a business and her question is better answered by giving her
a checklist of things to shoot for.
Dick
>>
A good point, Dick. How about an "essential", a "very useful" and a "nice to
have" list?
For the "essential" list, we could cut back to index cards, a typewriter, a
phone and FedX service, but I assume we are considering doing a professional
job in 1998, which is a lot different.
Essential for me is:
word processor
dedicated indexing program
internet & e-mail & fax(?)
backup system
virus protection
I think the enquirer (sorry, I don't have your name from the original post)
really was interested in what software indexers find useful. Anyone with the
discrimination to be a successful indexer should be able to figure what is
essential vs. frills. Being nit-picky is a valuable quality for an indexer,
but let's not "dumb down" the replys too much, even for a beginner. ;-)
Well, I've found *way* too much to comment on in this batch of mail. It is
midnight & I'm turning in for the night. Sweet dreams, all.
Ann Truesdale
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:00 EDT
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From: Ann Truesdale <Anntrue@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken)
In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write:
<< I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't
NEED it.
Micki Taylor >>
I agree that financial software is not a necessity for a start-up indexing
business, but I have been using Quicken for years & would not even consider
balancing my personal checkbook by hand anymore. It is a really good, easy-to-
learn program and has always come with excellent manuals. I recently got
Quicken Home & Business and have not used the invoicing part of it yet, but it
looks adequatefor my needs. I used Quicken to handle my checking account &
accounts payable for my former business (veterinary clinic), plus Quickpay for
the payroll. It produced reports for my accountant and automatically wrote
payroll checks, while generating a payroll tax report, too. I didn't need the
invoicing & A/R functions since that was handled by a veterinary software
package. I *love* this program! The cost is very reasonable too, unless you go
up to Quickbooks, which is more than most indexers would need.
Ann Truesdale
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:02 EDT
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From: Ann Truesdale <Anntrue@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Information managers - Outlook 98
In a message dated 98-08-28 09:23:42 EDT, you write:
<< One other thing that you might appreciate. I am not sure what
the user's manual for Outlook 98 is like but it does have the Office
assistants to help you or you can go out and buy one of a number of
books on the subject.
Elizabeth >>
There is an Outlook 98 help file that can be downloaded from the Microsoft
site. Has anyone used it?
Ann Truesdale
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From: Jill Barringer <Jill@VIZDOM.COM>
Subject: commercial ads -2 sides
As one who is getting started in the strictest sense, meaning I am just
about to sign up for the USDA course, I have found the listserv a way to
begin networking as well as a way to learn about some of the indexer's
tools. Therefore, in my naive opinion, I would not be opposed to seeing
some brief and very focused advertising, be it products, courses or
services. Perhaps some guidelines agreed upon by all and enforced by the
moderator would keep it under control. There might be a middle ground
here that makes sense and that is not offensive.
Jill
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 07:23:01 -0700
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From: Pam Rider <prider@ELECTRICITI.COM>
Subject: Re: commercial ads -2 sides
In-Reply-To: <199808301227.FAA08432@decibel.electriciti.com>
As I undertand it, the university hosting the list prohibits commercialism
on the list. I am opposed to anything but pointers by folks advertising
services or products, but think the question of overt commercialism has
been decided for us by the rules of the institution providing the means of
distributing the list.
Pointers are announcements providing an @dress or other means for
interested persons to discover more information.
The WWW is filled with vendor information and it is very easy to search
for. I continue to prefer that the list seek to maintain a collegial
professional tone.
Pam Rider
Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth
prider@electriciti.com
prider@tsktsk.com
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:34:18 -0700
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In-Reply-To: <199808300245.TAA24847@mail-gw3.pacbell.net>
At 10:44 PM 8/29/98 EDT, Sharon wrote:
> I bought FrontPage to work on a web page design or two. Going okay so far.
Hi Sharon,
Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I've been playing around in
Netscape's Composer and indexed a book about FrontPage so long ago that I
really don't remember enough to make a comparison.
>
> On the totally illogical side, I have Sim Ant so I can build ant
>civilizations when real life gets too much.
LOL! If I listed all the stuff I have for the same purpose, it would be
wayyyy longer than my list for "software needs". I have a game called
Creatures, which bills itself as the first commercial experiment in
artificial life. Having been very interested in artificial life since
indexing a book on it a few years ago, I keep telling myself that I'm
conducting scientific inquiry, not playing a game, when I run it. ;-D
And PeaPod to get my groceries
>delivered when time is really short. My hard drive is too full, I need an
>upgrade, but I know I'd just fill it up with more stuff, probably not
>necessary stuff, but I can always find an excuse.
Have you considered getting an Iomega Zip drive? Those things are fantastic
for "extending" your hard disk. Not only are they great for backing up
stuff (way better than a tape drive, IMHO), but with their good access
speed, I use them as working disks (not just for archival and backup
purposes). IOW, I access them just as I would the hard drive while working.
Because they can hold 100Meg per disk, I save all kinds of things that I
would have never considered putting on my hard disk. For example, in
working on the CardioIndex, I save all the Web pages (including graphics) I
want to add to the CardioIndex to my Zip drive for indexing offline. I've
even created multi-Meg "paintings" in Corel Photopaint, something I would
never have considered doing before I got a Zip drive. ;-D
Lynn
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(techndex@pacbell.net)
TECHindex & Docs
Technical and Scientific Indexing
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:57:54 -0600
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From: Kate Welsh <kwelsh@PLANET.EON.NET>
Organization: Researcher Writer Editor
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken)
I've been using Quicken, too, for a few years. I use it for household
and business accounting. The accounts are in the same file, and I simply
make all the business accounts subsets of "business income" and
"business expense" accounts. I made sure that the business expenses"
include all the categories of home-office expenses recognized by Revenue
Canada. Works for me--I haven't asked an accountant.
But I'm slowly converting to "Managing your money", which my bank offers
free with its online/internet access (also free). It's very convenient
to download the bank transactions, instead of inputting them manually.
Also, it seems to handle debt and credit better than Quicken. (But maybe
that's more useful to me than it is to longer-established indexers! ;)
Kate
--
Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB
Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing
Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:01:58 -0600
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From: Kate Welsh <kwelsh@PLANET.EON.NET>
Organization: Researcher Writer Editor
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
Ann Truesdale wrote
> PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is
supposed to
> rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself
at a rate
> about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before.
Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship
with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly.
(However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious
plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does
this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more
crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to
prevent crashes.
Kate
--
Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB
Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing
Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:20:23 -0500
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From: "Michael K. Smith" <mksmith1@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken)
In-Reply-To: <199808300444.AAA04295@mail4.bellsouth.net>
|-----Original Message-----
|From: Indexer's Discussion Group
|[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Ann Truesdale
|Sent: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:42 PM
|To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L
|Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken)
|
|
|In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write:
|
|<< I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't |
NEED it.
|
| Micki Taylor >>
I've been using Quicken for about five years now and I know it's saved me an
enormous amount of time and hassle. There's MY business and my personal
finances (including several credit cards, personal and business), and
there's my WIFE'S business and HER personal stuff (also including a separate
business credit card), and then there's the JOINT account,... and there's my
stepson and his college finances and all that. It also takes care of our
rather widespread investments. You can flag various categories and
sub-categories as tax-related, which makes it extremely simple to dump
everything into TurboTax. It used to take me several weeks, part-time, to
get our taxes ready; now we do it all by setting aside one Sunday afternoon.
(And that includes state income taxes now.)
Considering what an accountant would charge, and how little Quicken (and
TurboTax) cost, this has edged up onto the "essential" list for me.
Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services
mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870
http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:26:48 -0500
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From: "Michael K. Smith" <mksmith1@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In-Reply-To: <199808301612.MAA07579@mail1.bellsouth.net>
Actually, I think every computer user eventually acquires his/her own
personal crash syndrome. I've been using WordPerfect heavily since version
4.2 and I don't believe it has *ever* crashed on me, regardless of the model
of system I was using it on. Microsoft Internet Explorer, OTOH, brings my
system down regularly. (Netscape doesn't, so I try to stick to that for
personal work, but I also teach an "Internet skills" class and I have to use
both browsers for that.) I also frequently hear my wife muttering
imprecations at Visual Basic on her Pentium laptop, but I've never had
problems with that, so....
Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services
mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870
http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html
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It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds
|-----Original Message-----
|From: Indexer's Discussion Group
|[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Kate Welsh
|Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:02 AM
|To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L
|Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
|
|
|Ann Truesdale wrote
|
|> PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is
|supposed to
|> rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself
|at a rate
|> about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before.
|
|Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship
|with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly.
|(However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious
|plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does
|this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more
|crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to
|prevent crashes.
|
|Kate
|
|--
|Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB
|Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing
|Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials
|
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:00:06 EDT
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From: DStaub11@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken)
Indexing software: Macrex
Word processor: Wordperfect 8.0 for Windows, Word 97 (just learning it) and I
still have Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS, in which it's still easier to do multiple
searches and replaces! I have my letterhead in here now.
Desktop publishing: Publisher (I make my invoices in this, though I really
should switch to either Wordperfect or Quicken; I use it more for
homeschooling stuff)
Financial: Quicken Home & Business (more notes on that below)
And those are the programs I need for my business. I also have scanner
software, Outlook 98 (which I don't use for email, just for notes and
appointments--still playing with it but I've found it useful for reminders),
Access (I have plans for a client/job database; right now most of that's on
paper!). And I'm getting Riven for my birthday!
But you know what? Until 1992 I ran my full-time indexing business on a 286
with a 20-meg hard drive, Macrex, and Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS. I wouldn't go
back to that on purpose, but I could if I had to.
Do Mi
Kate wrote:
<< I've been using Quicken, too, for a few years. I use it for household
and business accounting. The accounts are in the same file, and I simply
make all the business accounts subsets of "business income" and
"business expense" accounts. >>
I also use Quicken for personal and business accounts, mixed together in the
same datafile. I use classes to separate them. (Started out the way she
describes.) In other words, Supplies: Office/Indexing is a business expense;
Supplies: Office is personal office supplies that I'm not writing off. At tax
time I make a report just for the Indexing class. This is especially helpful
since my partner has a business too, and now my daughter has income and
expenses from her book...I would not have wanted to do all this on paper!
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:24:37 -0700
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From: Jeri Lee <indexer@DBIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
Yes, I've had this experience. When I first got WP 6 for Windows, it seemed
I couldn't keep it running. I eventually got 1st Aid for Windows and that
at least halted the crash long enough to let me save my work before having
to restart everything.
WP 7 crashed less oftenand now the new WP 8 seems better "adjusted." I love
the Perfect Expert! Creating professional-looking invoices is a snap. I
got QuickBooks long ago for that but when I went to upgrade, they didn't
have online banking in anything other than Quicken, so went back to that.
Are the invoices in the newer QuickBooks better than before? I really am
looking for a GOOD excuse to get QuickBooks now that they've added online
banking.
Jeri Lee
> Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship
> with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly.
> (However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious
> plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does
> this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more
> crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to
> prevent crashes.
>
> Kate
>
> --
> Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB
> Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing
> Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:18:52 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In-Reply-To: <199808301612.MAA03121@camel5.mindspring.com>
At 10:01 AM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a love/hate relationship
>with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly.
What a coincidence. I just got off the phone with a friend who is trying
to publish a newsletter with WordPerfect 5 under Win 95. He is having
constant crashes, even though he has been using WP for a while. He was
asking about switching to Word.
Do you have any observations on what may cause problems with WP?
Dick
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:20:15 -0700
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net>
Hi Ann,
See my mother message about your modem problems. In this one, I just want
to commiserate with you about your Win98 upgrade. We didn't intend to
upgrade to Win98, not wanting to be Bill Gates' beta testers, but were
inadvertantly forced to when we bought new computers a few days after Win98
came out. (For some reason, I didn't think it was coming out until August.)
Did we ever have problems! Programs that ran fine under Win95 constantly
crashed. Even the applets that are part of the OS frequently crashed. It
would even crash when shutting down Windows!!!! Bob decided to run Win98's
disk defragmenter on his machine. It totally screwed up the
folder/directory structure to the point where he couldn't access any of his
files and he ended up having to totally reformat his hard drive, losing
three years worth of Netscape bookmarks in the process. One fine day, my
system wouldn't boot at all until we reinstalled Win98 (and then all of the
programs so they'd have blasted registry entries).
Finally, someone on another list told me that folks who had these problems
solved them by installing more RAM. Even though we already had 64Meg on
each machine, we bought more RAM bringing it up to 128Meg on each machine.
Bingo! It solved most of the problems. The weird thing that we noticed,
when installing the additional RAM was that if Toshiba DIMMs were put into
slot 0 (or whatever the first slot is numbered), the system wouldn't boot
at all. We suspect that there is some slight incompatibility of the Toshiba
DIMMs with Win98 (being that all the RAM passes the POST test when we boot
and the Toshiba DIMMs test out OK on the test gig in the store). But by
installing a lot of non-Toshiba RAM, the OS seems to be able to get around
whatever problem it has with the Toshiba RAM. Weird, eh? (This is not to
say that the current build of Win98 isn't buggy. It still is, but now it
only causes crashes maybe twice a day instead of ten times a day. The other
day, it suddenly decided to totally reboot my system while I was online!)
The main advantages I've found to Win98 is that the OS can address far
bigger partitions than Win95 (our 6.4Gig drives are a single partition).
With the CD-ROM, Zip, floppy and network drives, this is no small
consideration not having to create additional logical drives by
partitioning. Plus, it comes with cool desktops and screen savers. ;-D
Lynn
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Lynn Moncrief
(techndex@pacbell.net)
TECHindex & Docs
Technical and Scientific Indexing
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:08:15 -0700
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net>
Hi Ann,
I discussed your modem problems with my husband, being that he upgraded
the modem in one of our old computers successfully under Win95.
Being that you are using an external modem, you may be having a COM port
conflict. Bob said that external modems usually plug into COM 3, a DB-25
connector (looks like your printer connector, but of the opposite gender).
However, usually your mouse uses COM 1 and you'll get conflicts when both
COM 1 and 3 are used. (The same thing happens with COMS 2 and 4). I think
it's because they share IRQs (and changing them requires going into your
CMOS, a task not for the faint of heart). The reason why AOL works and
nothing else seems to be that AOL uses it's own drivers, auto-seeks port
assignments, etc. But Windows 9x, you have to do all of this stuff manually
(especially being that most of Microsoft's "Wizards" strike me as being
particularly moronic).
Anyway, if indeed your modem is plugged into COM 3, you may be able to
resolve the problem by assigning your mouse to COM 2. This isn't a hard
reassignment (by plugging it in elsewhere), but a soft assignment. But,
before playing around with your mouse's COM port reassignment, you may want
to write down the various keyboard commands for moving around in Windows in
case the mouse reassignment doesn't work (so you'll be able to get it back
to where it was if your mouse stops working). Go into the Windows Control
Panel, select System, then select Mouse. And, oops, while checking this on
my own system, while writing this, I found that mine says I have a hardware
conflict. ;-D (But my modem and mouse work fine, so I'll leave it alone,
writing it off as one of those spurious weird messages you get in Windows
sometimes. I have a Kensington Expert Mouse, trackball, and it uses the
PS/2 port, so that's probably why I'm getting a weird message.) Anyway,
before going on any further, I realize that there are so many variables in
this that it may be best if you wrote me offlist telling me your COM port
settings. (Check under System as I said above, then check the Device
Manager settings under Modem and under Mouse, being careful to Cancel out
of the dialog box without changing anything.) Then maybe Bob and I can help
you sort out the problem.
BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes
protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I
have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one
protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC
products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.)
Lynn
At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote:
>I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a
>chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP
other
>than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and*
>hyperterminal all working.
>
>The wizards for setting up IN Explorer and Microsoft Network won't work; they
>either cannot locate the modem or tell me it is in use or not working, etc. I
>have talked to Dell, AOL, the modem maker, and three different ISP's without
>resolution of problem. I even called Microsoft support, figuring it was worth
>the $35 to get it fixed. After I described all the things that I had already
>tried, he suggested that I add an initialization string to my modem setup,
but
>said maybe I was right when I said that, personally, I thought my computer
was
>cursed. At least he did not charge me for the call, since the suggestion he
>gave made no difference!
>
>Then I tried upgrading to Win98. Nothing worked but AOL. My last tactic
was to
>reformat my hard disk & load only Win95, with none of the Dell stuff except
>the video card driver. I thought maybe something Dell put in there might be
>the jinx (after all, I didn't get a modem with the computer since I already
>had an external one -- so much easier to replace when they get fried!). No
>help.
>
>I know AOL uses a non-DUN setup so it gets around whatever is the problem.
But
>I can't use Outlook for e-mail, etc. from AOL. Finally I ditched Outlook
>completely, and at the moment my fax is working, or was the last time I used
>it.
>
>Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any suggestions? After reading what
>Joathan says about Outlook 98, I'd sure like to get onto an ISP where I can
>use it to it's full potential. I don't like AOL's e-mail "file cabinet"
either
>- no way to edit out all the sent/when/who garbage when you file messages
>received for future reference.
>
>Any help appreciated,
>
>Ann Truesdale
>
>PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is supposed to
>rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself at a
rate
>about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. Then when you are
forced
>to cold boot, it messes up your system but good. I had to wipe my hard disk
>clean after that experiment, not to mention the hard drive replacement soon
>after I got the computer. If anyone needs to know how to clean, repartition
>and reformat their hard drive, I'm the person to call for. I've had lots of
>practice!
>
>
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Lynn Moncrief
(techndex@pacbell.net)
TECHindex & Docs
Technical and Scientific Indexing
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:44:47 -0700
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: digest?
In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03704@mail-gw.pacbell.net>
At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote:
<in response to my message about indigestible digests>
>I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome. I find it much
>easier to just delete messages individually when the thread is not of
interest
>to me than to dig out the items I wanted to read from the digest. Lynn's
>formula for filtering mail into separate mailboxes sounds great to me. (I,
>also, have a nice hierachy of folders although I do my sorting manually at
>present.)
Hi Ann,
That was the same problem I had when I was an AOL subscriber, having to
manually sort mail into a nice hierarchy of folders. And because it was so
tedious, I often didn't do it until my In box became so huuuuge that I'd
spend entire days just sorting and deleting mail.
I think this has something to do with the fact we're all indexers, as Dick
too has said he uses Eudora to sort his mail into a folder hierarchy. ;-D
The question is no longer whether we indexers alphabetize our spices
(which, for me, is impossible to maintain with three other people going
into the pantry), but whether we "hierarchize" our mail folders and Web
bookmark/favorites folders. ;-D (Yes, I know "hierarchize" is not a word.
It should be as in Italian, which has the nice verb gerachizzare meaning
exactly that.)
Lynn
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Technical and Scientific Indexing
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:51:53 EDT
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From: Dawn Spencer <Indexlady@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes
Glad to say, I haven't experienced the crashes that others have. That makes me
suspicious that it is the "system" and not WordPerfect.
I have worked with WordPerfect since 1987. Used in both DOS and Windows
environments, and on many different computers.
No problems.
Dawn
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:14:10 -0400
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From: "Kb Okeefe." <kbokeefe@NCOUNTY.NET>
Subject: USDA course
Hi Jill,
I too am considering registering soon for the USDA course. I took a local
indexer's one day training course a couple of years ago, (I also bought her
software - which is DOS-based.) I'm not sure if any of the other indexing
software out there is Windows-based, so I will look into that as I go along.
I've been intermittently trying to get jobs by sending letters to
publishers, without any success. After reading the posts on this list, I
don't feel prepared enough to do a good job so I'm trying to organize my
life enough to have time to devote to this course, which I recently learned
about.
Good luck to you. Would love to hear how it goes for you.
Kathy O'K
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From: Lynn Moncrief <techndex@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net>
At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote:
>In a message dated 98-08-28 08:36:03 EDT, Jonathan writes:
>
><<
> Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile
> Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's
> really versatile, and it's free. >>
>
>I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a
>chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP
other
>than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and*
>hyperterminal all working.
Hi Ann (again ;-D)
Yiiikes! When I uploaded my other message on your Outlook 98/modem
problems, the following downloaded from the PC-SOFT list where a somewhat
similar thread happens to be going. I don't know if any of this will help,
but there's some spooky similarities here.--Lynn
************************
(text of PC-SOFT message)
"I had similar problem (MS Fax not working in Win95B), on a Dell Dimension
233 (probably same as your friend's). If he has Outlook 97 or 98 as well as
IE4.0 or IE 4.01, it may not be hardware. When installing or upgrading IE,
you have to UNINSTALL Outlook, install IE, and reinstall Outlook with its
upgrades after that, in order to have MS Fax work. I solved the problem by
going through a complete uninstall of both IE and Outlook and reinstalling
both, in that order. :-( I am not sure whether there is a knowledge base
article on it, but there should be!"
*************************************
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Lynn Moncrief
(techndex@pacbell.net)
TECHindex & Docs
Technical and Scientific Indexing
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:42:30 -0700
Reply-To: jlee@dbic.net
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From: Jeri Lee <indexer@DBIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems
Lack of memory probably. I used to use WP 5.1 for an archery club newsletter
and the more graphics I used the worse it ran until it finally crashed. Your
friend could try fewer graphics and/or more memory.
Jeri Lee
Richard Evans wrote:
> At 10:01 AM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >I have a love/hate relationship
> >with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly.
>
> What a coincidence. I just got off the phone with a friend who is trying
> to publish a newsletter with WordPerfect 5 under Win 95. He is having
> constant crashes, even though he has been using WP for a while. He was
> asking about switching to Word.
>
> Do you have any observations on what may cause problems with WP?
>
> Dick
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:15:28 EDT
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From: EMickiT@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (TurboTax)
In a message dated 98-08-30 12:23:38 EDT, you write:
<< Considering what an accountant would charge, and how little Quicken (and
TurboTax) cost, this has edged up onto the "essential" list for me. >>
I really like TurboTax, but found the California state version was a waste of
money. Other state versions may be useful. The federal version is excellent.
Micki Taylor
To paraphrase Michael's wonderful tag line:
<<It doesn't TAKE all kinds of software -- we just HAVE all kinds of
software>>
We become dependant on our luxuries so rapidly. What did we do 20 years ago?
Just to show you where I am: I use a solar clothes drier (clothes line). I
will soon be running my 486 and my Pentium off solar power on my farm, which
is off the grid. I have a 58 year old husband who won't give up his 286. I
drive a 20 year old Toyota. But I love Access 95 and 97 and Visual Basic.
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:19:33 -0600
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From: Caroline Parks <cparks@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Fall Indexing Workshop, New Mexico
FALL INDEXING WORKSHOP
The New Mexico A to Zia Indexers Chapter of ASI will hold their fall inde=
xing workshop
from 9:30 am to 4:30 pm on Saturday, October 3rd, at the NM State Library=
in Santa Fe.
The day will include a tour of the new State Library given by A to Zia me=
mber Nancy
Fischer, and a trip to the Santa Fe Public Library=92s Festival of the Bo=
ok, as well as a
group indexing exercise in the morning and demonstrations of indexing sof=
tware by group
members in the afternoon.
We=92ll work together in the morning to create index entries for the arti=
cle, =93Indexing
Books on Latin American History,=94 by A to Zia Chair Francine Cronshaw (=
in ASI=92s booklet
"Indexing Specialties: History," included as part of the registration fee=
). After lunch,
three members will type the morning=92s index entries into each of the =93=
big three=94 indexing
programs (Macrex, Cindex, and SKY Index), and along the way, they=92ll sh=
ow us all the nifty
things they do with their software to edit and format their indexes.
Schedule:
9:00 =96 9:15 Registration; coffee and tea will be available
9:15 =96 10:00 Tour of the State Library (http://www.stlib.state.nm.us/=
)
10:00 =96 12:00 Index =93Indexing Books on Latin American History=94 arti=
cle as a group
12:00 =96 2:30 Carpool to downtown Santa Fe for lunch and a visit to th=
e Festival of the
Book (http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfpl/festival.html)
2:30 =96 4:30 Indexing software demonstration and comparison
Registration is $35 for ASI members and $40 for non-members, and includes=
a copy of ASI=92s
booklet "Indexing Specialties: History". A $5 late fee will be charged f=
or registrations
postmarked after September 15th. Contact Caroline Parks (505-286-2738;
cparks@mindspring.com) for more information, or fill out the registration=
form below and
mail it with your check to Nancy Ford, 66 Skyland, Tijeras, NM 87059.
Be sure to check out the schedule for the Festival of the Book (Web addre=
ss above). There
are lots of exciting events and author appearances, including a poetry re=
ading by Joy
Harjo on Friday night!
_________________________________________________________________________=
__________
A TO ZIA INDEXERS FALL INDEXING WORKSHOP
*****
REGISTRATION FORM
Name __________________________________________________ Phone _________=
_____________
Address ________________________________________________ Email ________=
_______________
_____________________________________________________________
ASI member? (yes) _______ (no) _________
Please enclose:
$35 for ASI members
$40 for non-members
$5 extra for registrations postmarked after 9/15
Mail to:
Nancy Ford
66 Skyland
Tijeras, NM 87059
____________________________
Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence
Indexing and Editorial Services
Tijeras, NM
505-286-2738
cparks@mindspring.com
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From: Kate Welsh <kwelsh@PLANET.EON.NET>
Organization: Researcher Writer Editor
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes
Dawn Spencer wrote
> Glad to say, I haven't experienced the crashes that others have. That
makes me
> suspicious that it is the "system" and not WordPerfect.
I've tried several ways to clean up my system, including, horribly,
intentionally formatting my c: drive. (Horrible, because then I had to
re-install every program-- which I knew would happen-- but wouldn't it
make a LOT of sense if WIN95 would just search the computer for
installed programs (I keep mine on Drive D:) and rebuild its own *!~**
registry?!? )
I've just downloaded a new patch for WordPerfect 8, and I live in hope.
Kate
--
Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB
Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing
Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials
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From: John and Kara Pekar <jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET>
Subject: Staying sane (software games)
Do Mi wrote:
> And I'm getting Riven for my birthday!
And someone else (sorry; itchy delete finger) mentioned SimAnt and
Creature...Boy, I wish I had time to play games! I still haven't completed
Myst. Of course, by the time I get around to Riven, it will be "way
cheap," which is some consolation! My secret vices are Solitaire and
FreeCell...I pull them up when I'm waiting for something to print,
downloading email, or need a five-minute break from the latest Third World
hotspots, which seem to be my current specialty. (Oh, for a nice, upbeat
book on dance or music or something! Just for a change...) They are,
unfortunately, addictive, so I'm learning to set a timer to keep me to that
five-minute margin.
(And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and
indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.)
Kara Pekar
jkpekar@crosslink.net
8112 Harrison Dr.
King George, VA 22485
540-775-3012
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From: DStaub11@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
Kara wrote:
<< And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and
indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.) >>
This is probably a little off-topic for a long discussion (I don't know, is
it?) so I just asked the person I wrote a very long letter about it to to
forward it to you. (Love those prepositions!) Anyway, the short answer is,
with some difficulty but we're managing. I'm in charge from 8-3:30, my partner
from then till bedtime, so I do a lot of indexing in the afternoon and evening
(not my most alert times, unfortunately), and weekends. My daughter's office
is in the same room as mine, and she works independently in the morning while
I index and do phone calls (getting interrupted a lot). I do projects and
field trips with her in the afternoons.
The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with that
issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of
indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and
resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other
half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time (I'm
such a bad parent, I told Alex to wait till later to have that math problem
explained because I'm on a deadline...^or^ I'm such a bad business person, I'm
ignoring the six jobs on my desk and explaining math problems to my kid...)
I'm thinking about getting two actual HATS and switching them to remind me
which one I'm supposed to be doing at any given moment...
My partner and I played Myst (and Connections by James Burke) together in the
evenings instead of watching TV. That's the plan for Riven too.
Gearing up for the fall now!
Do Mi
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:52:06 +0100
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From: Liza Weinkove <liza.weinkove@ZEN.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Software needs
I'm still using a version of Quickbooks that I've had for several years
(Quickbooks 2 for Windows 3.1) that has to have a special fix to make it
work in Windows 95. I've grown very attached to it - it has several
features that I like very much - one in particular is the Reports feature,
which can show me my profit and loss figures for the year-to-date, and also
run a comparison over the same period of the previous year. It pops up
little reminders when invoices are overdue, and I can see instantly how
much money I'm owed.
I also have Quicken for my personal finances, but prefer to stick with
Quickbooks for my business stuff. I can't decide whether or not to upgrade
to a more recent version of Quickbooks - the "enhancements" don't seem to
be very worthwhile. The only thing I dislike about it is the design of the
invoices - I _have_ to use VAT (valued added tax - a sales tax) invoices,
even though I don't charge VAT.
Liza Weinkove
liza.weinkove@zen.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:45:48 EDT
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From: Bonnie Taylor <Bonald@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
<< The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with
that
issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of
indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and
resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other
half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>>
I'm homeschooling, too, and I know exactly what you mean! Even though we just
started formally homeschooling this summer with 1st grade, I have had this
same problem with role switching and guilt ever since my kids (now 3 and 6)
were babies.
It was especially hard the 2 years I was working on a book. I will never
forget when Michael was 3, and he was coloring at his little desk. I said,
"OK, time to go do such-and-such." He looked up at me with this expression of
strained patience and said in a tight little voice, "I am TRYING to work
here!" How strange to hear myself coming out of somebody else!
Hey, I feel guilty right now--my kids are plugged into Rugrats so that I can
have a few moments to myself to check my email! :)
Bonnie
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From: Peter Rooney <magnetix@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: digest?
You (Ann Truesdale) wrote:
> I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome.
My experience is different. Having been learned off the DIGEST command
recently by Charlotte Skuster, I find it indispensable.
Advantages:
1) you get only one message per day from the indexer list, not twenty
2) therefore, your other email messages don't get buried
3) it was quite easy to crash the ISP after a few weeks of not weeding
out, and finding yourself unable to retrieve ANY email. With a digest,
you read it and delete it.
4) I find it much easier to scan a single message than to open up 20
messages individually. Especially if the Subject lines of those
messages are unhelpfully vague.
5) I print the digest (it's usually 10 or 20 pages) and then it's even
easier to scan / speedread. After all, paper is an easier read than the
screen.
Disadvantages:
1) It's somewhat more difficult to respond immediately to a given
message. You need to go out of your way to send it and add the To:,
Subject:, and "you wrote" lines. But maybe that's good - it reduces the
"shoot from the hip" response.
2) That's it for disadvantages.
***
Charlotte, could you repeat for the List the instruction for getting
the digest? It's not in the FAQ.
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From: Charlotte Skuster <cskuster@LIBRARY.LIB.BINGHAMTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: digest?
In-Reply-To: <199808311332.JAA03449@library.lib.binghamton.edu>
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Peter Rooney wrote:
> Charlotte, could you repeat for the List the instruction for getting
> the digest? It's not in the FAQ.
>
Sure.
Send the following message to listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu
set index-l digest
put nothing else in the body of the message and leave the subject line
blank. If/when you want to return to individual messages send the message:
set index-l nodigest
Charlotte
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From: Carol Roberts <Carol.Roberts@MIXCOM.COM>
Subject: Panning for gold
Coming across the occasional fleck of gold is one of the things that makes
indexing fun for me:
"Charlene Avallone suggests that _Pierre_'s [Melville] style was not as
aberrant as it might seem to twentieth-century readers . . . . Avallone's
point is well-taken, yet _Pierre_ still seems, well, aberrant."
Sorry if that doesn't strike you as exquisite.
Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My
Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain.
Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer
http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing
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From: Kathleen Babbitt <kbab@NORTHNET.ORG>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
Bonnie Taylor wrote:
>
> << The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with
> that
> issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of
> indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and
> resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other
> half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>>
>
>
Yes, I also find it stressful to switch between my roles as a freelance
copyeditor, supportive
friend, caretaker of animals, sole maintainer of a household and human being
(me), etc. The time
as I'm leaving one arena and just entering the next are the bumpiest for me. I
work with this by
striving to remember the Zen principle of being completely in the moment. I try
to be as fully
aware of where I am and what I'm doing as I can be.
Often I do a grounding exercise that I find helpful. I take stock of what is
happening through
all my senses: "I'm doing the dishes, the water is warm, I feel the sun on my
back, I hear the
crickets out my back door, I smell the tomatoes that rotted before I could eat
them :), I enjoy
doing this task well." This exercise usually leads me to a great sense of
pleasure that I am in
this moment at this time; a feeling that overrides all worries about money, time
management,
getting new clients, etc. I invariably remember exactly why I chose to work at
home and that I
would not change my life for anything (at least not for now). Sort of brings me
in contact with
joy. Also, a cat usually comes to sit near me to grace the moment when I do
this exercise.
Those of you who are balancing freelance work with child care have my greatest
respect. As a
former historian of women, I can tell you that there is a long tradition in this
country of women
(and some men) working for wages at home so that they could care for children.
But it's only
been in recent decades that this choice has been made to enhance the quality of
life of the
family; usually it was done in order to survive (as in not starve). I hear some
of you saying
that this choice brings stresses of its own, but I can't help but believe that
the choice
enriches the lives of your children.
Anyway, my $.02.
Kathy Babbitt
kbab@northnet.org
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From: JPerlman@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
The juggling of roles that having a home-based business entails continues even
for those of us not involved in homeschooling or even for those of us who
don't have children at home any more.
Even with the best of situations, a spouse will wander into the office in the
middle of his day off or on a working evening and "need you", and the other
(home) phone can ring with a parent or child on the other end -- not to
mention the ever-present salespeople/canvassers. There are no end to
interruptions, and some, such as spouse, require you to take the
Indexer/Businessperson hat off and put the Wife hat on.
And .... needless to say ... it isn't easy to discipline oneself to stay out
of the office in the evenings if a project is on deadine or particularly
interesting. I do it many evenings. Since I love what I do it isn't a
problem for me, but I do try to remember to be self-aware enough to keep a
decent Quality of Life, and not work all the time. A blurring of roles and
lines there too.
The roles overlap and the lines blur very easily for many of us, I'm afraid.
But that is the problem, and the joy, of working out of the home. There are
advantages, many of them. And disadvantages.
My take on things ..........
Janet Perlman
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From: Bonnie Taylor <Bonald@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
In a message dated 8/31/98 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kbab@NORTHNET.ORG writes:
<< Often I do a grounding exercise that I find helpful. >>
I could use some grounding! I was trying to clean the kitchen the other day,
and I came across a plant I wanted to put in a pot my daughter made. I took it
outside to plant it and and while potting it noticed that our garden was
looking kind of bedraggled. So I grabbed the clippers and spent twenty minutes
deadheading zinnias. On my way back to the garage, I found some sippee cups
that the kids had left in the playhouse. So I took those back to the
kitchen--the same filthy kitchen I had started cleaning thirty minutes
earlier!!!
Bonnie Taylor
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From: Bonnie Taylor <Bonald@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
In a message dated 8/31/98 11:57:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JPerlman@AOL.COM
writes:
<< The juggling of roles that having a home-based business entails continues
even
for those of us not involved in homeschooling or even for those of us who
don't have children at home any more. >>
I think you're definitely right. When we were first married I had problems
splitting between wife and student (especially because marriage was new and
fun and law school was becoming a bit of a drag!). And my cousin just about
drove herself crazy with a home-based sewing business before she ever had
kids. She was ALWAYS sewing! What helped her was setting up one very definite
office spot and making herself close the door and "go home" when she wasn't
working.
I try to do that, but it doesn't always work. I tend to do most of my work in
our extra bedroom, the computer part of it anyway. I have found though that
with kids, it's almost easier to sneak in work in other parts of the house. If
I have reading or editing to do, I can spread it out on the kitchen counters
and work in short periods, and they basically leave me alone. But just let me
go into the "office," and I have an entourage! It helps to have 2 computers in
here, but I can always count on at least one wanting to get on this computer
to go to the Lego website or play the Blue's Clues game at Nick Jr.
Bonnie Taylor
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From: Bonnie Taylor <Bonald@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Staying sane (software games)
In a message dated 8/31/98 12:50:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET writes:
<< And someone else (sorry; itchy delete finger) mentioned SimAnt and
Creature... >>
Any other Shanghai addicts out there?!
Bonnie Taylor
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From: Mary Mortensen <MaryMort@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges
Like Martha, I recycle my laser printer cartridges locally. The price is
lower than new cartridges and I'm not throwing the plastic away.
I found the company in the yellow pages under 'Computer & Equipment - Repair
and Service'. I've also had good experience doing it by mail order with a
company in Texas called LaserLux (info@laserlux.com; http://www.laserlux.com;
800-366-4053), but once I found a local place, decided to support the local
business.
Cheers,
Mary
--
* Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com
* Lawrence, Kansas, USA
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From: Sonsie <sconroy@SLONET.ORG>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
At 08:34 PM 8/29/1998 -0700, Lynn Moncrief wrote:
>Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I've been playing around in
>Netscape's Composer and indexed a book about FrontPage so long ago that I
>really don't remember enough to make a comparison.
Me, too! I'm putting together a web page (not for indexing), and would love
a review of FrontPage. We can take it to email, if it would disturb the rest
of the list. Thanks.
=Sonsie=
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From: Anne Taylor <sactayl@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU>
Subject: Sending packages by USPS
Hello,
This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to
send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking
that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in
drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal
workers.
I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign.
The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I
was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail,
but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my
out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.)
Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a
suspicious package...
Anne
ataylor@umsl.edu
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From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes
Kate--
Are you not using an uninstaller? Or retaining a copy of your hard drive
files in a backup of some sort? At least with a backup set you may
"easily" restore your hard drive should you need to reformat the thing.
I suggest CleanSweep or Norton Uninstaller; the former seems to have
somewhat better reviews in the popular press.
Maybe I'm misreading your note; just my first response.
Cheers,
Dave T.
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From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Update to ASI Web site
All -- fyi ... You'll find an update regarding ASI's subscription to The
Indexer at:
http://www.asindexing.org/announ.htm#IndexerVote
If you have any difficulty accessing that page, please let me know.
TTFN .... Lori
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President - 1998-1999, American Society of Indexers
Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316
Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021
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From: Roberta Horowitz <RHorowitz@ACM.ORG>
Subject: Re: Sending packages by USPS
This package limit has been around for awhile. In addition to not putting
160z packages in mail drop boxes you also can't leave them for your regular
postal person to pick up at your house. From experience, if you do leave a
package for the postal person to pick up or put it in a mailbox, the Post
Office will return to you.
ROberta Horowitz
rhorowitz@acm.org
At 03:16 PM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to
>send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking
>that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in
>drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal
>workers.
>
>I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign.
>The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I
>was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail,
>but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my
>out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.)
>
>Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a
>suspicious package...
>
>Anne
>ataylor@umsl.edu
>
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:57:00 -0700
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From: Jeri Lee <indexer@DBIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Sending packages by USPS
The bomb squad comes to mind.
Anne Taylor wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to
> send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking
> that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in
> drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal
> workers.
>
> I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign.
> The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I
> was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail,
> but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my
> out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.)
>
> Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a
> suspicious package...
>
> Anne
> ataylor@umsl.edu
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:58:53 -0700
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From: Michael Brackney <brackney@NCCN.NET>
Subject: spike suppressors
At 11:08 AM 8/30/98 -0700, Lynn Moncrief wrote:
>. . .
>
>BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes
>protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I
>have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one
>protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC
>products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.)
Lynn, is a spike suppressor different from a surge suppressor, and if so,
how? I have a power strip called a "surge protector" that cost much less
than $50: do you think I need something better?
Thanks,
Michael
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:57:41 -0700
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From: "Jan C. Wright" <jancw@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: PNW Fall Meeting Announcement
FALL MEETING, 1998 of the PACIFIC NORTHWEST CHAPTER of the AMERICAN SOCIETY
OF INDEXERS
Saturday, October 10, 1998, 11:30 a.m.. to 3:30 p.m.
Portland State University
Smith Center, Conference Room 327, Portland, OR
LEARNING INDEXING: WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS
Learning indexing can be a challenge, but there are more choices than there
used to be. We will have a variety of indexing course materials for you to
examine. Come have lunch, discuss approaches, and look at materials.
Beginners will find it valuable to see the different approaches.
Established indexers will be intrigued with the approaches and concept
outlines.
11:30 - 1:00
Lunch, Networking, "Ask an Indexer". As usual, we will make sure that
working indexers are sitting at each table, so that new and potential
indexers have a chance to ask questions.
1:00 - 1:30
Business Meeting. Hear what we have accomplished since our last meeting
and what we are planning for the rest of the year.
1:30 - 2:30
Learning Indexing--Part One. A group session - we will work through a
portion of one set of course material together, and discuss its approach,
value, and usefulness.
2:30 - 3:30
Learning Indexing--Part Two. Short presentations on the other courses
followed by an informal chance to examine materials.
DIRECTIONS:
North of Portland: From I5, take I-405 south across the Fremont Bridge,
then take the 6th Avenue exit.
South of Portland: From I5, take I-405 north, then take the 6th Avenue
exit. Follow SW Sixth to Mill (6th intersection); turn left on Mill and
left on Broadway (next intersection) and pull into PSU parking structure on
the left.
East and West of Portland: Find downtown area, go south on Broadway, after
Mill Street pull into parking structure on left.
Train: Leaves Seattle 7:30am, arrives 11am; leaves Portland 4pm, arrives
7:55 pm.
Parking in PSU structures is not patrolled on weekends. As you exit the
parking structure, Smith Center is one block to the left on the other side
of Broadway. Use the entrance on the south side and go up two flight of
steps to Room 327 (this is a bigger room than the one we had at the Spring
meeting).
FEE: $20 ASI members; $25 non-ASI members. Includes a buffet lunch.
Registration deadline: Wednesday, October 7
_________________________________________________________________
We are not able to accept email registrations at this time. Please print
out and send a copy of this registration form and your check payable to PNW
Chapter/ASI to:
Jan Wright, Program Chair, PNW/ASI
6549 22nd Ave. NW, Seattle WA 98117
Names of people
attending:________________________________________________________
Number attending:______ ASI member _____ Non-member_____
Amount enclosed:_______________________
Questions: Jan Wright (jancw@mindspring.com; 206-784-2895)
or Louise Martin -- who is moving in mid-September
(lmart@teleport.com;
503-235-8734)
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:47:32 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
In-Reply-To: <199808312059.QAA17056@camel9.mindspring.com>
At 01:58 PM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes
>>protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I
>>have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one
>>protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC
>>products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.)
>
>Lynn, is a spike suppressor different from a surge suppressor, and if so,
>how? I have a power strip called a "surge protector" that cost much less
>than $50: do you think I need something better?
FWIW, I have both an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) on the power line
and a spike protector on the phone line. We had a small storm here a
couple of weeks ago and there was a nearby lighting strike, just enough to
flicker the lights. Bye bye modem. Sometimes you just can't win.
Dick
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:03:49 -0400
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From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky!
May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to
avoid your very disaster. I get their occasional newsletter which,
besides ads, contains interesting case histories as well as useful
information on suppressor theory and operation; they also offer a
videotape which I think is free.
THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR APC, but your experience reminded me
of an APC photo of a chap whose power line suffered a direct lightning
strike immediately outside his house. Very impressive.
Cheers to all,
Dave T.
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:25:30 -0400
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From: Richard Evans <infodex@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
In-Reply-To: <199808312310.TAA22328@camel9.mindspring.com>
At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky!
>May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to
>avoid your very disaster.
That's what I have. That, and an Isotel spike protector on the phone line.
The service guy who replaed the modem was at a loss to explain it.
Dick
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:52:55 -0700
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From: "Jan C. Wright" <jancw@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
In-Reply-To: <199808312330.TAA20974@camel9.mindspring.com>
Food for thought on surge and spike protectors...
I got an APC UPS last year, since I was going to be in New Mexico, land of
many lightning strikes, and I called and asked APC about lightning and
their UPS. What they said was that it would indeed protect the equipment if
it got a lightning surge. But if lighting hit, the UPS itself would then be
fried and I would have to get a new one. So, considering the cost, I
started unplugging everything again during intense storms, just to be on
the safe side. (my modem is plugged into it for both the phone line and
electrical, as well as all computer equipment -- Everything but the printer
goes through it. They said it is not really worth it to surge protect a
printer... I forget why.).
Aside from that, I have had the power go down many times unexpectedly, and
the UPS works great. Plus, with an old house and potentially weird wiring,
it also works against brownouts and insufficient power. It beeps at me
maybe once every two weeks in Seattle, I think with brownouts, as my lights
are also dimming when it happens.
Jan Wright
At 07:25 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky!
>>May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to
>>avoid your very disaster.
>
>That's what I have. That, and an Isotel spike protector on the phone line.
> The service guy who replaed the modem was at a loss to explain it.
>
>Dick
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:45:34 EDT
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From: Sharon Hughes <SHughes512@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Software NEEDS
In a message dated 98-08-30 11:56:00 EDT, you write:
<< Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I' >>
I'll let everyone know how it goes. Probably by the end of the month. I
know the Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Web site was designed using it. Maybe
someone could comment on how that went.
http://www.xsite.net/~cglc/
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:51:10 -0700
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From: Michael Brackney <brackney@NCCN.NET>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, Dafydd Llwyd Talcott wrote:
>. . . your experience reminded me
>of an APC photo of a chap whose power line suffered a direct lightning
>strike immediately outside his house. Very impressive.
Dave, you've left me hangin' -- what happened to the poor guy?(!)
Michael
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:51:05 EDT
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From: Rick Hurd <RHurd44884@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: spike suppressors
I bought a twenty dollar surge protector from Walmart. I unplugged it from the
wall shortly before a lighten storm came through, but I neglected unplugging
the phone wire from the surge protector.
Lighting struck the wire and the phone part of the surge protector was ruined.
I sent in the surge protector to be repaired and went back to Walmart and
brought another.
My lesson learned was to unplug the surge protector and the phone line before
a lighting storm.
Rick Hurd,
Rick's Indexing.
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:01:46 -0400
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From: "Kb Okeefe." <kbokeefe@NCOUNTY.NET>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
Yes, Bonnie - I too am a homeschooling mother to a 9.5 and 7 yr old. I have
been trying to get my indexing business going, but without any luck - no
experience is what I keep hearing. I had taken a local indexers one-day
training course, but now I think I need to do the USDA course. I'm dreading
trying to do coursework plus homeschool and everything else I try to fit in.
(Our UU coffeehouse, etc.).
It's interesting what you say about your office being a magnet for the
kids - I just this week took over a room on the first floor as my office. A
bold step for me, but there will hopefully be a homeschooling table and
bookcase area in it also.
Tomorrow I have to meet with my contact at the local elementary and I am
dreading it. The woman speaks to everyone as if they were 2yrs old.
What state do you live in? I live in MA. Good to hear from another
homeschooling indexer.
Kathy O'K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bonnie Taylor <Bonald@AOL.COM>
To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L <INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU>
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
><< The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with
>that
> issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of
> indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and
> resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the
other
> half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>>
>
>
>I'm homeschooling, too, and I know exactly what you mean! Even though we
just
>started formally homeschooling this summer with 1st grade, I have had this
>same problem with role switching and guilt ever since my kids (now 3 and 6)
>were babies.
>
>It was especially hard the 2 years I was working on a book. I will never
>forget when Michael was 3, and he was coloring at his little desk. I said,
>"OK, time to go do such-and-such." He looked up at me with this expression
of
>strained patience and said in a tight little voice, "I am TRYING to work
>here!" How strange to hear myself coming out of somebody else!
>
>Hey, I feel guilty right now--my kids are plugged into Rugrats so that I
can
>have a few moments to myself to check my email! :)
>
>Bonnie
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:08:04 -0400
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From: "Kb Okeefe." <kbokeefe@NCOUNTY.NET>
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
Do Mi
Another homeschooling indexer! Yahoo. I am a homeschooler and attempting to
be an indexer. It is a dream come true that there are other hs indexers out
there, can we set up our own list for hsing indexers <G>?
I don't know whether to move these messages to my hsing or indexing folders.
What a delightful dilemma.
Kathy O'K
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From: DStaub11@AOL.COM <DStaub11@AOL.COM>
To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L <INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU>
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles
>Kara wrote:
>
><< And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and
> indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.) >>
>
>This is probably a little off-topic for a long discussion (I don't know, is
>it?) so I just asked the person I wrote a very long letter about it to to
>forward it to you. (Love those prepositions!) Anyway, the short answer is,
>with some difficulty but we're managing. I'm in charge from 8-3:30, my
partner
>from then till bedtime, so I do a lot of indexing in the afternoon and
evening
>(not my most alert times, unfortunately), and weekends. My daughter's
office
>is in the same room as mine, and she works independently in the morning
while
>I index and do phone calls (getting interrupted a lot). I do projects and
>field trips with her in the afternoons.
>
>The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with
that
>issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of
>indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and
>resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other
>half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time
(I'm
>such a bad parent, I told Alex to wait till later to have that math problem
>explained because I'm on a deadline...^or^ I'm such a bad business person,
I'm
>ignoring the six jobs on my desk and explaining math problems to my kid...)
>I'm thinking about getting two actual HATS and switching them to remind me
>which one I'm supposed to be doing at any given moment...
>
>My partner and I played Myst (and Connections by James Burke) together in
the
>evenings instead of watching TV. That's the plan for Riven too.
>
>Gearing up for the fall now!
>
>Do Mi
>