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From: Lonergan Lynn <llonergan@MAX1.AU.AF.MIL>
Subject: lack of mail
Is anyone getting mail from the server? I haven't had any messages this
week and was wondering if the list is down. I don't mean to be paranoid
but other messages are getting through to me.
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From: "Ebron, Christine" <Christine.Ebron@COGNOS.COM>
Subject: headings for numbers and special characters
Hi Everyone
I am compiling an index that contains several entries that start with
either a number or a special character. We typically format our indexes
so that there is a big letter at the beginning of each section of
entries (A, B, C, etc.).
I want to put a heading above the entries with the numbers and special
characters, but am not sure how to address this. Here is one idea that
someone suggested:
Special Characters
### 10
??? 138, 199
Numbers
24 month report 150
3-D bar 220
Your suggestions and comments are appreciated!
Thanks,
Christine Ebron
christine.ebron@cognos.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:44:43 -0600
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From: Yvette Scheven <scheven@UIUC.EDU>
Please add me to your list. I was on it, and quite abruptly, about ten
days ago, there were no messages from indexers. That seems highly
unlikely, so I'd like to re-subscribe. Thanks!
yvette
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From: "Seth A. Maislin" <seth@ORA.COM>
Subject: (humor) Strange index entry
In the process of indexing _Electronic Publishing on CD-ROM_ by
Marc Ewing (published by O'Reilly & Associates), I was greatly
amused when I discovered this entry was queried by a proofreader:
father. See electroplating
It still makes me laugh, but that's the entry as it should be.
The book will be out next month, with this entry in it.
- Seth
--
Seth A. Maislin
O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services
90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street
Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826
(617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428
(617) 661-1199 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com
seth@ora.com WWW: http://jasper.ora.com:80/seth/index.html
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From: Chrys Wu <Chrys@VHF.ORG>
Subject: Cataloguer Jobs in Los Angeles
SURVIVORS OF THE SHOAH VISUAL HISTORY FOUNDATION
JOB DESCRIPTION
POSITION: CATALOGUER
Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to videotaping and archiving interviews of Holocaust survivors all
over the world. Working with the world s leading Holocaust museums,
educators, archivists, documentary filmmakers and with Holocaust survivors,
the Foundation is compiling the most comprehensive library of firsthand
survivor testimonies ever assembled. The archive will be used as a tool for
global education about the Holocaust and to teach racial, ethnic and cultural
tolerance.
The Cataloguing Department is responsible for indexing the content of the
testimonies so that the information can be easily retrieved. We are
currently seeking full time Cataloguers for both the day and night shifts.
Positions include salary and benefits.
RESPONSIBILITIES:
* Index videotaped Holocaust survivor testimonies according to guidelines
developed by the Foundation s historical team
- View testimony
- Divide testimony into coherent segments
- Write brief description (notes) of each segment
- Assign index terms (keywords) from a thesaurus of Holocaust terminology
- Propose new keywords
* Write summaries of testimonies
* Conduct research on specific keyword questions
* Provide feedback on the work of the interviewer and videographer
* Participate in training new Cataloguers
* Work on special projects as called upon by the Foundation s historical team
and Cataloguing Manager
QUALIFICATIONS:
REQUIRED:
* Undergraduate degree or equivalent background or experience in European
history or Judaic Studies with coursework in Holocaust history
* Excellent writing and research skills
* Detail-oriented
* Ability to work at a production pace
* Ability to follow direction
* Ability to give and take constructive criticism
* Ability to function consistently in an objective and rational manner
* Ability to work well independently as well as being a cohesive team member
* Ability to suggest solutions to problems
* Familiarity with relevant geographic names
* Macintosh experience
* Ability to process disturbing Holocaust-related material
* Willingness to make an extraordinary time commitment to the project
PREFERRED:
* Fluency (oral and written) in English and at least one of the following
languages: Most needed: Hebrew, French, Dutch, German, Spanish, Russian,
Yiddish, Hungarian, Czech, Polish, Romanian, Slovak, Ukrainian, Lithuanian,
Greek. Also needed: Latvian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese, Ladino, Italian,
Sign
* Library Science background and cataloguing or indexing experience
* Familiarity with relevant foreign cultures and mentalities
To Apply please send cover letter and resume to: Human Resource Manager, PO
Box 3168, Los Angeles, CA 90078-3168, Fax (818) 866-0312
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From: "Barbara J. Stroup" <bjstroup@MOUSE.MV.COM>
SHORThdr
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From: "Barbara J. Stroup" <bjstroup@MOUSE.MV.COM>
CONFIRM INDEX-L Barbara Stroup
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:11:37 -0400
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From: WMacallen@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: INDEX-L Digest - 29 Jun 1...
I just attended the SLA Conference in Boston the first week of June, 1996.
Bowker had a booth at the Conference and was selling most of the reference
titles--including the Literary Market Place.
I was able to pick up a 1996 edition for $84.00 (about). It seemed as though
the 1996 edition would work as well as the upcoming 1997 edition. I was told
that the 1997 edition will be coming out in September on CD Rom--but I don't
know what the cost will be.
If you are interested in having a 1996 edition at home, you should try to
contact Bowker to see if they have any 1996 editions left for half price.
Willa MacAllen
MacAllen's Information Service
WMAcallen@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:41:30 -0400
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From: Jillbarret@AOL.COM
Subject: names
I was a bit hasty in posting my first inquiry. I found more names! The text
provides little help. I have consulted Nancy Mulvaney's book and contacted
my local library for help, but if anyone can give me guidance on making
entries for the following names I would appreciate it! In most cases, the
prefixes are throwing me off...not sure what they mean or where the *real*
last name begins! Rather than just guess, I thought I'd call on the experts!
R. Moses Ha-Darshan
K. van der Toorn
William von Soden
Ibn Gabirol
Yitzhak Dov Gilat
Ben-Zion Schereschewsky
Thanks!
Jill Barrett
Indexing Services
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:08:47 -0500
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From: "Neva J. Smith" <njsmith@BGA.COM>
Subject: Newsletter about copyright for freelancers' work (fwd)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:57:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Neva J. Smith <njsmith@bga.com>
To: Indexer's@bga.com
Cc: INDEX-L%BINGVMB.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: Newsletter about copyright for freelancers' work
The newsletter below discusses contracts used by writers and publishers
and their provisions for electronic rights, royalties, etc. The target
audience is the freelance writers' community. Indexers are writers and I
think we should keep up with the contract activities of this group.
The work made for hire issue is also discussed.
Neva
> = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < =
Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services
PO Box 2157 / Round Rock, TX 78680
email: njsmith@bga.com
voice: (512) 244-2767 Editor, _Library Currents_
PO Box 2199 / Round Rock, TX 78680
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 28 Jun 96 08:44:57 EDT
From: Alexandra Owens/ASJA <75227.1650@CompuServe.COM>
To: ASJACW-LIST@SILVERQUICK.COM
Subject: CW960628
ASJA CONTRACTS WATCH CW960628 Issued June 28, 1996
[The American Society of Journalists and Authors encourages reproduction and
distribution of this document for the benefit of freelance writers. Reprint or
post as many items as you wish, but please credit ASJA for the information and
don't change the content.]
*****
Despite a history of insisting on the contrary (and losing some writers in the
process), CONDE NAST, it seems, can accept the important principle of separate
compensation for electronic rights. Persistent negotiating has given one
writer a BRIDE'S agreement in which the fee is allocated "$X for print rights,
$Y for electronic rights." The e-rights clause itself remains far too broad,
but the division of the fee is a small but significant concession from one of
the most aggressively hardline publishers.
Persistence has also brought about further improvement at another publishing
giant, HACHETTE FILIPACCHI. The company has long agreed to an extra fee for
e-rights for authors who require it. Its HOME magazine has been willing to
accept limited rights for the fee but the group's largest title, WOMAN'S DAY,
has insisted on all formats for all time. Now, WD has agreed for at least one
writer that the e-rights supplement will cover only America Online, and only
for a year.
At GRUNER + JAHR, confusion reigns--again--as the company apparently can't
make up its corporate mind whether to bully writers or not. Various editors at
PARENTS and McCALL'S have been telling contributors that until a new contract
form is released, they absolutely must have free e-rights, although they
typically offer to lower the time period from three years to one year. But the
editors-in-chief of both magazines tell ASJA Contracts Watch that isn't so.
The company still isn't ready to pay for new-media reuses, as some key
competitors now do, but according to these top editors, at least, they will
still--reluctantly--cross out the nefarious e-rights clause.
It isn't all e-rights: All three publishers commonly accept important
amendments in several other clauses in their contract offer. Freelancers doing
business with any CN, Hachette or G + J magazines may request information
about those changes from ASJA.
*****
Following discussions with ASJA, the new owner of MS., WORKING MOTHER and
WORKING WOMAN this week pledged to introduce a new contract that pays extra
for all secondary uses of freelance material, including electronic. But to
those owed money for works delivered to the magazines' old owner he makes no
promises at all.
Jay MacDonald stepped into something of a hornet's nest when, just weeks ago,
his spanking new MACDONALD COMMUNICATIONS CORP. bought the three magazines
from the long-ailing LANG COMMUNICATIONS. The buzzing came from freelance
contributors and staffers left holding Lang IOUs; now, as writers and some
organizations step up activity, the buzzing is turning into stinging. Several
writers lately have won court judgments against Lang, but collecting may be
another story. Yesterday, however, having failed to extract a payment from
Lang, a writer sued MacDonald in New York City small claims court. Earlier
this month, MacDonald memoed staffers that they could make claims against Lang
for "all accrued fringe benefits or pay to which each of you perceives herself
or himself to be entitled." He also told the New York Times that the legal
obligation for Lang's debts to freelancers remains with Lang. Presumably,
courts will decide.
In a gesture to writers, photographers and illustrators, MacDonald told ASJA:
"We will have a new contract with the creative community that ensures separate
compensation over and above one-time print use in whatever aftermarket a
contribution is used, including other media we plan to develop." To the
question of making good on Lang's debts to freelancers, whether for work
published or for pieces in inventory, he would say only, "We're working on
it."
ASJA President Claire Safran, who has written to MacDonald of the "ethical
obligations" to contributors, said yesterday, "We applaud the promise to do
the right thing in contracts for future work, and hope these magazines get
back on their feet so that freelancers will again be comfortable doing
business with them. But we have to wonder how much faith to put in this
company while contributors continue to wait for money owed them."
*****
The threat of work made for hire has been beaten back in radioland. Late last
year, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO told independent writer-producers that it would
insist on total ownership of their work because, a spokesman said, "That's
what we need to do." Apparently, the need evaporated when the independents
said "No way." After months of meetings with a coalition of independents,
during which NPR chief operatin officer Peter Jablow himself replaced the
in-house lawyer, the sides have tossed out work-made-for-hire. Their
agreement, just signed, calls for negotiated fees for rebroadcasts and
royalties for sales of tapes and transcripts. Most important, it declares
that revenues from electronic and other ancillary uses should be shared. The
agreement calls for an 18-month grace period, during which NPR will pay no
royalties for new-media use of freelance material while it develops a tracking
system. Compensation will be negotiated after the end of 1997 or when NPR's
new-media gross reaches $1,250,000. In the meantime, NPR has pledged to "use
reasonable efforts to track revenues" from new-media uses and issue individual
reports every six months. "NPR is so close to the edge these days," said one
independent, "that we're willing to pitch in to help. If this weren't the
non-profit world we never would have made the concession on the grace period."
Said Jablow: "We are committed to developing a win-win association when it
comes to distributing NPR programming via non-broadcast means."
*****
A freelancer caught VEGETARIAN TIMES (COWLES) putting a work into electronic
databases, despite a contract that didn't allow it. The writer confronted the
publisher, which pulled the piece and eventually offered $700. The writer
accepted. Then came a release form with a shut-your-mouth clause, asking the
writer to say she hadn't and wouldn't talk. "I can't sign it," she told
Cowles. "I've already discussed every step of the the settlement with ASJA."
"OK," the publisher agreed. "Just say you won't talk about it any more." And
so this report can't give the end of the story.
*****
Many ASJA members and others send a steady stream of contracts, information
and
scuttlebutt so that these ASJA Contracts Watch dispatches can be as
informative as possible. Thanks to all.
To receive each edition of ASJA Contracts Watch automatically (and at no
charge) by e-mail, send the following Internet message:
To: ASJA-MANAGER@SILVERQUICK.COM
Text: JOIN ASJACW-LIST
Only occasional official dispatches: no feedback, no flooded mailbox.
Inquiries and information from all are welcome.
Contracts Committee, ASJA
1501 Broadway, New York, NY 10036
tel 212-997-0947
fax 212-768-7414
e-mail 75227.1650@compuserve.com
Web page http://www.asja.org/
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:57:13 -0500
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From: "Neva J. Smith" <njsmith@BGA.COM>
Subject: Newsletter about copyright for freelancers' work
The newsletter below discusses contracts used by writers and publishers
and their provisions for electronic rights, royalties, etc. The target
audience is the freelance writers' community. Indexers are writers and I
think we should keep up with the contract activities of this group.
The work made for hire issue is also discussed.
Neva
> = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < =
Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services
PO Box 2157 / Round Rock, TX 78680
email: njsmith@bga.com
voice: (512) 244-2767 Editor, _Library Currents_
PO Box 2199 / Round Rock, TX 78680
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 28 Jun 96 08:44:57 EDT
From: Alexandra Owens/ASJA <75227.1650@CompuServe.COM>
To: ASJACW-LIST@SILVERQUICK.COM
Subject: CW960628
ASJA CONTRACTS WATCH CW960628 Issued June 28, 1996
[The American Society of Journalists and Authors encourages reproduction and
distribution of this document for the benefit of freelance writers. Reprint or
post as many items as you wish, but please credit ASJA for the information and
don't change the content.]
*****
Despite a history of insisting on the contrary (and losing some writers in the
process), CONDE NAST, it seems, can accept the important principle of separate
compensation for electronic rights. Persistent negotiating has given one
writer a BRIDE'S agreement in which the fee is allocated "$X for print rights,
$Y for electronic rights." The e-rights clause itself remains far too broad,
but the division of the fee is a small but significant concession from one of
the most aggressively hardline publishers.
Persistence has also brought about further improvement at another publishing
giant, HACHETTE FILIPACCHI. The company has long agreed to an extra fee for
e-rights for authors who require it. Its HOME magazine has been willing to
accept limited rights for the fee but the group's largest title, WOMAN'S DAY,
has insisted on all formats for all time. Now, WD has agreed for at least one
writer that the e-rights supplement will cover only America Online, and only
for a year.
At GRUNER + JAHR, confusion reigns--again--as the company apparently can't
make up its corporate mind whether to bully writers or not. Various editors at
PARENTS and McCALL'S have been telling contributors that until a new contract
form is released, they absolutely must have free e-rights, although they
typically offer to lower the time period from three years to one year. But the
editors-in-chief of both magazines tell ASJA Contracts Watch that isn't so.
The company still isn't ready to pay for new-media reuses, as some key
competitors now do, but according to these top editors, at least, they will
still--reluctantly--cross out the nefarious e-rights clause.
It isn't all e-rights: All three publishers commonly accept important
amendments in several other clauses in their contract offer. Freelancers doing
business with any CN, Hachette or G + J magazines may request information
about those changes from ASJA.
*****
Following discussions with ASJA, the new owner of MS., WORKING MOTHER and
WORKING WOMAN this week pledged to introduce a new contract that pays extra
for all secondary uses of freelance material, including electronic. But to
those owed money for works delivered to the magazines' old owner he makes no
promises at all.
Jay MacDonald stepped into something of a hornet's nest when, just weeks ago,
his spanking new MACDONALD COMMUNICATIONS CORP. bought the three magazines
from the long-ailing LANG COMMUNICATIONS. The buzzing came from freelance
contributors and staffers left holding Lang IOUs; now, as writers and some
organizations step up activity, the buzzing is turning into stinging. Several
writers lately have won court judgments against Lang, but collecting may be
another story. Yesterday, however, having failed to extract a payment from
Lang, a writer sued MacDonald in New York City small claims court. Earlier
this month, MacDonald memoed staffers that they could make claims against Lang
for "all accrued fringe benefits or pay to which each of you perceives herself
or himself to be entitled." He also told the New York Times that the legal
obligation for Lang's debts to freelancers remains with Lang. Presumably,
courts will decide.
In a gesture to writers, photographers and illustrators, MacDonald told ASJA:
"We will have a new contract with the creative community that ensures separate
compensation over and above one-time print use in whatever aftermarket a
contribution is used, including other media we plan to develop." To the
question of making good on Lang's debts to freelancers, whether for work
published or for pieces in inventory, he would say only, "We're working on
it."
ASJA President Claire Safran, who has written to MacDonald of the "ethical
obligations" to contributors, said yesterday, "We applaud the promise to do
the right thing in contracts for future work, and hope these magazines get
back on their feet so that freelancers will again be comfortable doing
business with them. But we have to wonder how much faith to put in this
company while contributors continue to wait for money owed them."
*****
The threat of work made for hire has been beaten back in radioland. Late last
year, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO told independent writer-producers that it would
insist on total ownership of their work because, a spokesman said, "That's
what we need to do." Apparently, the need evaporated when the independents
said "No way." After months of meetings with a coalition of independents,
during which NPR chief operatin officer Peter Jablow himself replaced the
in-house lawyer, the sides have tossed out work-made-for-hire. Their
agreement, just signed, calls for negotiated fees for rebroadcasts and
royalties for sales of tapes and transcripts. Most important, it declares
that revenues from electronic and other ancillary uses should be shared. The
agreement calls for an 18-month grace period, during which NPR will pay no
royalties for new-media use of freelance material while it develops a tracking
system. Compensation will be negotiated after the end of 1997 or when NPR's
new-media gross reaches $1,250,000. In the meantime, NPR has pledged to "use
reasonable efforts to track revenues" from new-media uses and issue individual
reports every six months. "NPR is so close to the edge these days," said one
independent, "that we're willing to pitch in to help. If this weren't the
non-profit world we never would have made the concession on the grace period."
Said Jablow: "We are committed to developing a win-win association when it
comes to distributing NPR programming via non-broadcast means."
*****
A freelancer caught VEGETARIAN TIMES (COWLES) putting a work into electronic
databases, despite a contract that didn't allow it. The writer confronted the
publisher, which pulled the piece and eventually offered $700. The writer
accepted. Then came a release form with a shut-your-mouth clause, asking the
writer to say she hadn't and wouldn't talk. "I can't sign it," she told
Cowles. "I've already discussed every step of the the settlement with ASJA."
"OK," the publisher agreed. "Just say you won't talk about it any more." And
so this report can't give the end of the story.
*****
Many ASJA members and others send a steady stream of contracts, information
and
scuttlebutt so that these ASJA Contracts Watch dispatches can be as
informative as possible. Thanks to all.
To receive each edition of ASJA Contracts Watch automatically (and at no
charge) by e-mail, send the following Internet message:
To: ASJA-MANAGER@SILVERQUICK.COM
Text: JOIN ASJACW-LIST
Only occasional official dispatches: no feedback, no flooded mailbox.
Inquiries and information from all are welcome.
Contracts Committee, ASJA
1501 Broadway, New York, NY 10036
tel 212-997-0947
fax 212-768-7414
e-mail 75227.1650@compuserve.com
Web page http://www.asja.org/
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:34:38 -0400
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From: DBRENNER@AOL.COM
Subject: Thanks for the help
Thanks to all of you for your help and thoughts about cookbook indexing, and
various other matters.
The cookbook is finished! (Though I may never eat again.)
Your comments and suggestions certainly helped me think out the index in a
different, better, way. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Thanks
again.
Diane Brenner
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:39:21 -0400
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From: Rachel Rice <rachelr@TIAC.NET>
Subject: illness and horror story
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the good wishes for my health. I'm much better, though I
have laryngitis now, which sounds very funny.
I ended up not calling my contact because there have numerous problems with
book which I'd like to outline without details, and then ask: is this
typical? Because if so, how do we all stay sane? (Remember I'm relatively
new to all this.) Please tell me this isn't typical and I will really enjoy
indexing some day.
I agreed to do this book based on 450 pages with approx. 3 weeks from last
pages. Then they said pages not ready, you'll have 2 weeks. Then they said
pages not ready, you *might* have some pages Thurs or Friday (of last
week), by Fed Ex and the deadline is still Wednesday (which gave me 5 days
if I were lucky). Then I got 38 pages on Thursday, nothing on Fri or Sat,
on Monday my contact says, oh, well, we didn't get the pages from DTP. I
asked why she hadn't let me know not to expect any pages so I could have
gone out and had a life. And the deadline is now Friday, and I might get
half the pages Tues, and the rest on Wed., and can I still do the job?
Meanwhile, I arranged to take vacation from work based on the Wed. deadline
(I work weekends) so I could have gotten it in by then, and ended up on
vacation with no index to work on which seriously displeased me.
So I said, after discussions with Marilyn R (THANKS even though I didn't do
what you said!), that I could try to finish by Friday noon but that I was
no longer on vacation and wouldn't be able to spend as much time. But if
there were to be a rush fee, I would try harder, but still couldn't
guarantee a 450 page book in 3.5 days.
So they said no rush fee but I could have till Monday noon. I said, ok,
fine. And the next day was as sick as a Dutch elm. I spent the first two
days quietly marking pages and napping, and it turned out to need only very
light indexing, so I decided to try to pull it off, which I have done.
BTW, this is the same company I told you of before who wanted me toFTP
books and print my own pages at my own expense, which I refused to do.
Two things, well 3, in favor of this company: the people I worked with are
very nice, and don't like the way things go there, either. Next, they pay
very promptly. And they gave me written credit in the first book I did for
them and gave me a copy without asking. OK, 4 things.
So anyway, I have had a bad week, but I keep thinking if I can work under
these conditions I ought to be able to do well under good conditions. I'll
be taking your advices about cover letters and cold calls. Is anyone
willing to tell what you actually say when you make the cold calls?
So, now I'm going to take a nap and try to get over this week. Thanks for
listening!
RR
Rachel Rice
Directions Unlimited Desktop Services
Chilmark, Mass.
rachelr@tiac.net; http://www.tiac.net/users/rachelr/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:37:58 -0400
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From: David Traystman <davidt@NYGATE.UNDP.ORG>
Organization: US
Subject: USDA Class
I am also considering enrolling in the USDA class and would be very
interested in receiving the replies requested in the earler message
entitled "Offline response request re:USDA class." Thank you
davidt@undp.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:57:49 -0400
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From: Jillbarret@AOL.COM
Subject: german names
I have German name to enter in an author index and I'm not entirely sure of
the correct way to do it. The name is written in the text like this:
K. van der Toorn
I'm entering it as:
Toorn, K. van der
Can anyone tell me if this is the proper way to handle a foreign name like
this?
Thanks,
Jill
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:06:28 -0400
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From: DStaub11@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: cold calling
Janet writes:
>How do others handle their marketing? Do a lot of you make cold calls and
>find them effective? Maybe I just don't do my calls right!
I've always used cold calls (or did when I was doing a lot of marketing). I
did this on the advice of some experienced indexer, and my experience has
born out her reasoning:
About 2/3 of the publishers I called didn't use indexers at all. Therefore,
if I had sent out a mailing to them, I would have wasted a whole lot of money
that I didn't have (and then had to make the follow-up calls anyway). I hated
cold calling, so I don't blame anyone who's trying to find a way around it!
My solutions: I wrote myself a script and practiced it. I got my partner to
literally hold my hand through the first about five calls, and debriefed
after each one. It gets easier and easier. The hardest part was getting to
the right person--I had some hilarious responses! But I just kept explaining
to them that I was a freelance indexer offering my services to their company,
and asking them to help me find the right person to talk to.
And the most important thing to remember (either with cold calls or follow up
calls or letters) is that you are NOT begging a favor from these people. You
have something they need (desperately, in many cases, if you're a good
indexer) and you're offering it to them.
I made about 200 cold calls when I started my own business. I'm sure I had it
easier than people just starting out, because I had been managing an indexing
collective and so had a nice-looking resume, three years of experience and
good references. Anyway, out of those 200 publishers, about 150 didn't use
indexers; about 30 told me they might need one sometime maybe, and I might as
well send my resume (I don't think I ever got work out of any of those); and
THREE were very happy to have me call because they were really needing new
indexers and yes please send my resume right away! And those three, along
with an inherited client from my old job, were enough to start my full-time
business. All three are steady clients 7 years later.
I don't know what the moral of that may be--I guess that you have to do a lot
of calls to get a few clients, but since you only need a few clients, that's
okay! Best of luck, everybody!
Do Mi
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:39:20 ECT
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From: Charlotte Skuster <SKUSTER@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject: apologies..index-l operational again
You no doubt noticed that index-l has been inactive this week. My fault.
In the process of creating more disk space, I neglected to issue the "free
index-l" command. I just did that and we are in business again. Happy July
4th ! Sorry about the delay.
Charlotte
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:02:00 -0400
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From: martin dowding r <11mdowdi@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject: Re: german names
In-Reply-To: <199607041836.OAA13304@mach1.wlu.ca>
Actually, you probably have a Dutch name there, not German. "Van der" means
"from the," and you have several options on how to address the
indexing problem, one of which is ignoring the "van der," as is so often
the case when Beethoven and other well known Germans are indexed.
After having indexed a large number of Germanic names
in books on war (and for different publishers) I've found it's best to
ask the publisher what they prefer, and to see if your subject (or a name
like it) has been indexed anywhere else. Try genealogical indexes for
similar names. You can always resort to old ALA filing rules and the
like, too. Personally, I prefer to use the "Van der" as the first part of
the entry, but in some cases it is a question of how the person is/was
known, if you can determine that.
On Sun, 30 Jun 1996 Jillbarret@AOL.COM wrote:
> I have German name to enter in an author index and I'm not entirely sure of
> the correct way to do it. The name is written in the text like this:
>
> K. van der Toorn
>
> I'm entering it as:
>
> Toorn, K. van der
>
> Can anyone tell me if this is the proper way to handle a foreign name like
> this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jill
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:12:26 -0400
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From: REvans4@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: german names
From pp. 288-289 of Wellisch's "Indexing from A to Z", the following
paraphrase:
...prefixed names of people who are or were citizens of, or lived and worked
mainly in, an English-speaking country are invariably entered under the
prefix.
Example: Van Loon, Hendrik.
Under the conventions of their native countries, however, the index entry is
the main part of the name followed by the forename and the prefix.
Example: Muhll, Peter von der.
Dick Evans
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:12:01 -0400
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From: REvans4@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: cold calling
In a message dated 96-07-04 14:38:04 EDT, you write:
<< The hardest part was getting to the right person--I had some hilarious
responses! >>
Same here. I often got a receptionist or a switchboard operator who didn't
even know what an index is. I used to start by asking to speak to the person
who hires freelance indexers, but invariably the word "hire" prompted them to
connect me to personnel. I now ask to speak to the production editor or the
managing editor.
FWIW, I haven't had any business from cold calls, but I still do them when
things get slow. I keep a contact list of those who never use freelancers,
those who might in the future, etc. I figure marketing is a lot like
fishing: you may throw out a lot of different lures with varying degrees of
success, and you never know what will work on a particular day, but it's dead
certain you won't catch anything just sitting in the boat wondering where the
fish are.
Dick Evans
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From: Raymond <ray@INCH.COM>
Subject: publisher copyright issues
Hi, I'm new to this list.
I have a question that I'm hoping someone knows the answer to. I'm a part-time
indexer but a full-time computer repairman by trade and I've completed a
periodical index for the computer industry. Very often, we need information
about equipment, processes, etc. that were covered in previous articles of
magazines. I thought a low-cost archive that's affordable for regular techs
would be helpful. I want to sell it either in paper or CD-ROM format to others
in my field. I know there are other indexes that cover the same market but I
feel I have a niche product.
My question is:
1-Can I legally create an index without specifically asking the publisher of the
magazines, newspapers, journals whose stories make up my entries. The number of
publishers I have numbers in the hundreds. Plus, I'm not including any real
content except for a one-line abstract as to the nature of the article.
I was under the impresion that as long as story content is not quoted, I should
be copyright infringement free. Correct?
2-If I do need permission, are publishers generally receptive to indexes being
done which include their products? Is there a fee?
I feel it brings greater attention to their readability and only enhances the
publication. But I don't know if publishers feel they have to sell the rights
to index their publication to make money for themselves.
I've include a sample entry below:
Scanning made easy. PC Computing Feb. 1995. Paul Thiersen. v20, n2, pg 36(2).
Introductory article about scanning documents & pictures for beginners.
All my entries are pretty much like this.
3-In the future, I want to create a full-text CD-ROM complete with keywords,
etc. Can you confirm that I will need permission from the publishers for that
project to include stories.
If you could e-mail me back with answers to these three questions as well as any
other feedback you might have, I would appreciate a reply as I'm apprehensive
about going ahead if litigation awaits me.
Thank you very much.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:15:33 -0400
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From: Helen Schinske <HSchinske@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: names
The Anglo-American cataloguing rules are your best bet for names. You could
look at them at your local library. Another option is to call the nearest
big university library and ask to talk to a cataloguer who handles material
in these languages. Usually cataloguers are thrilled to get to help someone
personally. Another option is to look at a big library catalogue and see how
similar names are handled. The "van der" name looks Dutch to me, not
German--makes a difference. My AACR2 is in a box somewhere, so I can't help
much directly.
Remember, though, even if you alphabetize under the "incorrect" element, as
long as you have see references all will be well for the user. This is one
book and you are the only one creating this index, so you don't always have
to be "right" according to some national standard. Just be consistent and
practical. Hope this helps.
--Helen
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:02:26 EDT
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From: "WANG,YANYUN,MS" <FPKO@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Tue, 02 Jul 1996 22:44:43 EDT
>Please add me to your list. I was on it, and quite abruptly, about ten
>days ago, there were no messages from indexers. That seems highly
>unlikely, so I'd like to re-subscribe. Thanks!
>
YYW
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:31:09 -0700
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From: Sarah Lee Bihlmayer <sarahlee@CONTENTMANAGE.COM>
Subject: Re: illness and horror story
Rachel writes,
>I agreed to do this book based on 450 pages with approx. 3 weeks from last
>pages. Then they said pages not ready, you'll have 2 weeks. Then they said
>pages not ready, you *might* have some pages Thurs or Friday (of last
>week), by Fed Ex and the deadline is still Wednesday (which gave me 5 days
>if I were lucky). Then I got 38 pages on Thursday, nothing on Fri or Sat,
>on Monday my contact says, oh, well, we didn't get the pages from DTP. I
>asked why she hadn't let me know not to expect any pages so I could have
>gone out and had a life. And the deadline is now Friday, and I might get
>half the pages Tues, and the rest on Wed., and can I still do the job?
In my experience, the best way to deal with this situation is to insist that
you must have the previously agreed-upon amount of turnaround time and you
cannot make up for the client's scheduling delays and still deliver quality
work. (You guessed it, folks--this language goes right in my contracts.)
Generally, when I'm asked for delivery estimates, I say "10 working days
after I receive the material" instead of giving a hard date. Then, when the
client's material does not arrive as scheduled, I either phone or e-mail and
say that the originally specified final delivery date to the client will be
adjusted by the number of working days that their actual delivery date to me
is delayed. (I _never_ use language of any kind that might suggest that
this as a negotiable issue.) At all times, I make it clear that I am
operating a business, that I am tightly scheduled, and that I cannot
rearrange my life and my other client relationships to make up for
scheduling delays caused by internal events in the client companies.
>Meanwhile, I arranged to take vacation from work based on the Wed. deadline
>(I work weekends) so I could have gotten it in by then, and ended up on
>vacation with no index to work on which seriously displeased me.
Establishing that you cannot reschedule their work at the last minute will
probably take care of this problem fairly well.
>So I said, after discussions with Marilyn R (THANKS even though I didn't do
>what you said!), that I could try to finish by Friday noon but that I was
>no longer on vacation and wouldn't be able to spend as much time. But if
>there were to be a rush fee, I would try harder, but still couldn't
>guarantee a 450 page book in 3.5 days.
I would make it clear that there was absolutely no way I could deliver the
work that quickly without a rush charge. Remember, rush charges are
intended to compensate you for the disruption in your personal and
professional life caused by the client's emergency.
>BTW, this is the same company I told you of before who wanted me toFTP
>books and print my own pages at my own expense, which I refused to do.
The best way to dispel the expectation that "when they say jump, you'll say
how high" without always receiving adequate compensation for your work is to
establish the relationship that way from the outset. In a recent post on a
related topic, I explained that I put everything in writing with a new
client--right down to clauses governing per-page printing and per-hour data
transfer rates. Client communication is everything when you're
freelancing--it can make or break you both personally and financially.
>Two things, well 3, in favor of this company: the people I worked with are
>very nice, and don't like the way things go there, either. Next, they pay
>very promptly. And they gave me written credit in the first book I did for
>them and gave me a copy without asking. OK, 4 things.
This is all true...however, you probably need to work on the client
relationship a bit. If you haven't written a brochure for yourself yet,
maybe it might be a good idea to put one together and cover issues like
FTP'ing files, printing charges, shipping charges, and client-generated
scheduling changes. Deciding on policies for yourself, putting them in
writing, and giving them to your clients is a very businesslike way of
opening these lines of communication.
Hope this helps, Rachel...and glad to hear you're starting to feel better.
Sarah
|Sarah Lee Bihlmayer * Intranet Documentation Specialist |
|Site Development * Content Creation * Content Management|
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:18:37 -0600
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From: Michael & Cheryl Dietsch <skyler@IQUEST.NET>
Subject: Re: headings for numbers and special characters
Ebron, Christine wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I am compiling an index that contains several entries that start with
> either a number or a special character. We typically format our indexes
> so that there is a big letter at the beginning of each section of
> entries (A, B, C, etc.).
>
> I want to put a heading above the entries with the numbers and special
> characters, but am not sure how to address this. Here is one idea that
> someone suggested:
>
> Special Characters
> ### 10
> ??? 138, 199
>
> Numbers
> 24 month report 150
> 3-D bar 220
>
> Your suggestions and comments are appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christine Ebron
> christine.ebron@cognos.com
Christine,
I'm an in-house indexer at Macmillan Computer Publishing. The
way we handle situations like that is to put numbers and
special characters together under "Symbols", with the special
characters first, then the numbers.
Symbols
* (asterisk), multiplication operator, 239
+ (plus sign), addition operator, 240
16-bit operating systems, 14
32-bit operating systems, 23-25
Hope this helps.
Cheryl Dietsch
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:00:50 -0400
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From: Sam Andrusko <sand@LOC.GOV>
Subject: Re: publisher copyright issues
In-Reply-To: <199607041918.PAA113178@rs8.loc.gov>
Raymond,
I would say it is not a copyright infringement to prepare an index to a
periodical and provide a short summary. If you contact the publisher, who
knows, it may even give you a gift subscription if it has any idea of how
valuable such indexes are.
I do recall reading once in a genealogy list though that the NY Times
got snotty and threatened copyright infringement against a group of who
wanted to index part of the New York Times for genealogical purposes. Do
not know what year that was, but perhaps the 1991 Supreme Court decision
recently discussed here and later copyright legislation would make such a
suit untenable.
Full text of the articles would indeed require the publisher's
permission.
But of course, for complete security, you should contact a lawyer who
specializes in copyright.
Best of luck and I say, Go for it!
Sam Andrusko
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:09:00 +0500
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From: Jackie West CONTRACTOR <west@MORIATY.ATB.TERADYNE.COM>
Subject: USDA class
Good morning.
Please add me to the list of folks who want to receive offline
responses about the USDA classes in indexing. I recently sent
for the catalog from the USDA and would greatly appreciate any
responses about the basic course and/or the second one before
I invest my money and time.
Thanks for your help.
Jackie West
west@atb.teradyne.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:17:20 -0700
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From: Kari Bero <bero@ALEXIA.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: illness and horror story
In-Reply-To: <199607041836.NAA14547@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Rachel Rice has told us a tale of multiple deadline problems with one
company. Sarah suggests not setting a specific date to return the
index, but rather setting a # of days after delivery of page proofs.
I would also suggest that you add a clause in your next contract with
them (and with future clients). All of my contracts say the following
regarding payment and deadlines...
Late Fees: client must inform indexer of changes in arrival date of page
proofs. If proofs are late without one week notice, indexer may require
client to compensate indexer at 40% fee for time difference. If project
is cancelled by default (if page proofs arrive so late that indexer
must forego said project to begin another scheduled project), a
cancellation fee may be applied...
Cancellation Fees: client must give indexer two weeks notice of project
cancellation. Failure to do so requires client to pay cancellation fee
of 40% of estimated project fee. If project is cancelled while indexing
is in progress, cancellation fee is added to compensation for work
already performed...
I do have space near these clauses to make notes, so that if a client
_knows_ the deadlines are shaky, and I am okay with it, I can take note &
allow a certain amount of it. Also notice I say "indexer _may_ require..."
That way, if I don't want to charge them for it, I don't have to. But,
I do have these to fall back on.
The other issue with your client, is them expecting you to do so much
in such a short time. You have to draw a line somewhere. Sure, you can
accept the project & squeeze out an index, but if it will be something
you would be ashamed to show to future clients, is it worth it? I know
it's difficult to do when you're just starting out. You want clients.
But, if you're easing into indexing slowly (and hanging onto another
source of income), you might not be so desperate. It's your call, obviously.
But, I've had to turn down indexes that had deadlines that would be
difficult for me to meet (with a _good_ index), or that covered subjects
I felt I couldn't do as well as others. It's all part of the job, knowing
your own limits. I suppose that for you to know those limits, you must
have experience pushing them, eh? Hmmm another Catch 22?
Otherwise, it sounds like this client could be an excellent resource. Be
sure to let the people you've worked with that you've enjoyed dealing
with them & you'd love to continue working with them if they ever move on to
other companies (which may happen, if they're upset about what's going on).
Best of luck! And, yes, it does get better. 8-)
-Kari
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Kari J. Bero
Bero-West Indexing Services 206-937-3673
3722 Beach Drive SW, Suite 101 bero@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
Seattle, WA 98116 http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~bero/
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:31:47 -0700
Reply-To: Carolyn Weaver <cweaver@u.washington.edu>
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From: Carolyn Weaver <cweaver@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Attention Pacific Northwest Indexers!
MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT
PACIFIC NORTHWEST CHAPTER
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS
Saturday, August 10, 1996
11:30 am - 3:00 pm
Speaker: Anne Leach
Palm Desert, California
Topic: Decisions, Decisions! Making Choices for a Quality Index
Anne Leach has been prospering as a fulltime freelance indexer for 10
years. In that time, having indexed numerous monographs and textbooks, as
well as innumerable software manuals, she has developed theories of
usability and quality applicable to the three very different types of
audiences for the indexes to scholarly works, textbooks, and technical
manuals. In this session, she will share these theories with us, along
with proofs, examples, and practice texts.
Anne has been a member of ASI as long as she has been indexing, and
attributes much of her success to her early involvement in the Golden Gate
Chapter of ASI and the support of her good friends there. She has been a
director of ASI for two back-to-back terms, head of the Publicity
Committee for three years, editor of Key Words for over six years, and
president of the Southern California Chapter. Because she gets paid for
reading books for a living, her hobby is, naturally, reading--murder
mysteries for excitement and Jane Austen for amusement.
Location: Nickleby's Restaurant
I-5 Exit 102 (Trosper Road)
Olympia, Washington
Directions: Traveling south on I-5, take Exit 102 (Trosper Road), stay
in the right lane, and drive immediately into Nickleby's
parking lot. Traveling north on I-5, take Exit 102, turn
left and go over the freeway bridge. Nickleby's
is on the right at the end of the bridge.
Registration: $4.00 for ASI members; $7.00 for non-ASI members, payable
at the door.
Lunch: Select your luncheon from Nickleby's extensive menu; pay
individually.
RSVP by Wednesday, August 7 to:
Julie Kawabata, Secretary/Treasurer, PNW/ASI
927 SE Clatsop St.
Portland, OR 97202
503-231-8029
jkawa@teleport.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:01:16 EDT
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From: Nan Badgett <76400.3351@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Rush Charges
After the discussion of Rachael Rice's situation, I began to wonder what IS a
reasonable rush charge. I am taking on a project for a valued client that has
caused some rearranging for me. I should have charged them a rush fee, but
didn't. Next time, I may, but don't know how much it should be.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Nan Badgett
Word-a-bil-i-ty
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:17:14 -0700
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From: Sarah Lee Bihlmayer <sarahlee@CONTENTMANAGE.COM>
Subject: Re: illness and horror story
Kari's comment to Rachel:
> The other issue with your client, is them expecting you to do so much
>in such a short time. You have to draw a line somewhere. Sure, you can
>accept the project & squeeze out an index, but if it will be something
>you would be ashamed to show to future clients, is it worth it? I know
>it's difficult to do when you're just starting out. You want clients.
>But, if you're easing into indexing slowly (and hanging onto another
>source of income), you might not be so desperate. It's your call, obviously.
>But, I've had to turn down indexes that had deadlines that would be
>difficult for me to meet (with a _good_ index), or that covered subjects
>I felt I couldn't do as well as others. It's all part of the job, knowing
>your own limits. I suppose that for you to know those limits, you must
>have experience pushing them, eh? Hmmm another Catch 22?
The other reason I don't accept the "walking-on-water" type of last-minute
unexpected rescheduling is that it creates an expectation on the part of the
client that this sort of thing is totally OK to do on a routine basis. Once
you pull off a seemingly impressive feat in a very short timeframe, there's
always the danger that you'll be pigeonholed as the indexer to call when
deadlines slip and there's an impossible task to be tackled.
Sarah
|"God is in the details." -- Frank Lloyd Wright|
|Sarah Lee Bihlmayer * Intranet Documentation Specialist |
| Indexing * Developmental Editing * Technical Writing |
|Site Development * Content Creation * Content Management|
| 415-207-4046 * sarahlee@contentmanage.com |
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:20:33 -0700
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From: Sarah Lee Bihlmayer <sarahlee@CONTENTMANAGE.COM>
Subject: Re: Rush Charges
Nan writes:
>After the discussion of Rachael Rice's situation, I began to wonder what IS a
>reasonable rush charge. I am taking on a project for a valued client that has
>caused some rearranging for me. I should have charged them a rush fee, but
>didn't. Next time, I may, but don't know how much it should be.
I generally charge 150% of my normal fees when the rush job means I have to
work evenings during the week, and 200% when it requires me to work through
a weekend. Suffice it to say, these amounts are a strong inducement to my
clients to manage their projects and the use of my services so that I don't
often have to charge such rates!
Sarah
|"God is in the details." -- Frank Lloyd Wright|
|Sarah Lee Bihlmayer * Intranet Documentation Specialist |
| Indexing * Developmental Editing * Technical Writing |
|Site Development * Content Creation * Content Management|
| 415-207-4046 * sarahlee@contentmanage.com |
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:18:24 -0400
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From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rush Charges
I have occasionally been asked to do a rush job for one of the bigger college
publishers. I get an additional $300 each time. I don't know what others get
and would be interested to know.
Leslie
Leslie Leland Frank Editorial Services
Indexing and Editing
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:00:01 -0400
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From: Sonsie Conroy <sconroy@SLONET.ORG>
Subject: Re: illness and horror story
In-Reply-To: <199607041836.LAA07456@spork.callamer.com>
Rachel, glad to hear you're feeling better and that you managed to solve
the problems you were having with that client. I would say that the
situation you describe is not terribly common, but it does happen. Proofs
do come in way late, but then I've always gotten an automatic extension of
working time when that happens...without having to beg and wheedle.
My typical client allows about two weeks for indexing, but in some cases
when the schedule is incredibly tight they ask me to complete the job in
a week or so...in a very few cases, even less time. A 450-page book that
requires only a very light index job could probably be completed in three
or four days, but that would be pressing things pretty hard.
I've never asked for a rush fee (and it's never been offered). Does anybody
else do that? Under what circumstances? What do you do in a situation
such as Rachel has outlined, where the promised pages keep getting later
and later, but (up until the very end) the publisher keeps insisting that
the original deadline has to be met?
=Sonsie=
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:04:47 -0400
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From: Sonsie Conroy <sconroy@SLONET.ORG>
Subject: Re: headings for numbers and special characters
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Christine, I would do one (or all) of these things:
I would create a headnote for the index explaining where
entries that start with non-letter characters can be found.
I would create a main entry called something like, "special
characters" (or whatever term best describes the kind of
listing you are talking about), and have all the entries
that begin with special characters listed as subentries under
this main listing. You'll have to figure out how to "alphabetize"
them on your own! <G>
I would place all these entries at the beginning of the index,
as main listings, before the A's. That way, people will have the
best chance of seeing them. Putting them at the end means you will
lose people who are too lazy to check both places. Again, you'll
have to figure out in what order to sort them...
Finally, if some of these characters have names that lend themselves
to being spelled out and =recognized= that way, I'd enter them
in the index under their spelled-out name (along with the symbol).
This is how number entries are indexed, BTW. (An entry that starts
with 8 is listed under "eight" in the index.)
=Sonsie=
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:51:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: illness and horror story
Rachel, I'm sorry you had to go through that!
When a client changes the date of last pages to me, I consider that the
official due date has changed by the same amount, and I tell them so. I then
tell them that I will finish the job for them as quickly as I can, and that I
will call and tell them when I know the finish date. If they don't get it, I
explain that I always meet deadlines because I agree only to jobs I know I
can do; that I meet the obligations I agree to, and therefore can't let their
slipping job get in the way of another client's; and repeat that of course
these things happen and I will try my hardest to finish it fast for them.
What I don't allow them to do is to expect that they can get my promise from
me, change the dates around and expect me to pick up their slack.
And when it's a brand new client, especially one that pays promptly, I'm a
little less forceful.
Good luck.... Do Mi
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:31:38 -0700
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From: Michael Brackney <brackney@NCCN.NET>
Subject: Re: headings for numbers and special characters
On 96-7-3 Christine Ebron wrote:
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I am compiling an index that contains several entries that start with
>> either a number or a special character. We typically format our indexes
>> so that there is a big letter at the beginning of each section of
>> entries (A, B, C, etc.).
>>
>> I want to put a heading above the entries with the numbers and special
>> characters, but am not sure how to address this. Here is one idea that
>> someone suggested:
>>
>> Special Characters
>> ### 10
>> ??? 138, 199
>>
>> Numbers
>> 24 month report 150
>> 3-D bar 220
>>
>> Your suggestions and comments are appreciated!
and on 96-7-5 Cheryl Dietsch replied:
>Christine,
>
>I'm an in-house indexer at Macmillan Computer Publishing. The
>way we handle situations like that is to put numbers and
>special characters together under "Symbols", with the special
>characters first, then the numbers.
>
>Symbols
>* (asterisk), multiplication operator, 239
>+ (plus sign), addition operator, 240
>16-bit operating systems, 14
>32-bit operating systems, 23-25
Christine, I would do this in the same way that "someone" suggested to you:
although the term "Symbols" is often used, "Special Characters" often seems
more precise to me; and I prefer placing numbers in their own section. I
can see combining numbers with special characters when there are very few of
each, perhaps, but in such a case I'd want to use "Special Characters and
Numbers" as the heading.
The term "Numbers" brings up an interesting question: by "Numbers" do we
mean leading numerals such as the "2" in "24" (analogous to leading
letters), or do we mean entire numbers (which may be made up of any number
of numerals) such as the number "24" (analogous to words)? If we mean
leading numerals, then "Numerals" is a better heading, but if we mean entire
numbers, then "Numbers" is better.
More important than this is that, whether we realize it or not, the choice
we make here determines the sort. In your example you regard "Numbers" as
leading numerals and therefore file "3" after the "2" in "24", but if we
regard "Numbers" as entire numbers we file "3" before "24". I myself much
prefer the latter approach--I think it's much clearer for readers--so I
would use your heading but rearrange your sort.
Another interesting point is Cheryl's use of glosses (qualifiers) after
special characters. This clarifies what is meant and also keeps such
headings from looking exceedingly bare--especially when they're left sitting
alone as main headings with a couple of subs below indicating different uses.
Having said this I'd like to add that the practice of sorting special
characters on well-chosen glosses seems to be gaining favor. To my mind,
any advancement over ASCII sorts is welcome. Sorting on glosses is not
without its own difficuties because it's not always clear how to write
them--and sometimes impossible, but often it works very well. The two
examples you give are a little tough, but for sorting purposes I'd probably
use "### (number signs, triple)" ("number signs" instead of "pound signs"
because of usage), and "??? (question marks, triple)"--or maybe just
"(number signs)" and "(question marks)" if these expressions seemed adequate.
Cheers,
Michael
BTW, here and in general, when anyone of us on this list wants to take up an
issue that goes beyond the scope of the subject heading on the original
message, I think it would be good to retitle the reply appropriately. That
would surely help all of us later on when we look back over the listings of
the messages we've saved and try to make sense of them! Thanks.
Michael Brackney
Brackney Indexing Service
Grass Valley, CA
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:18:39 -0500
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From: Larry Harrison <larryh@MILLCOMM.COM>
Subject: Re: Rush Charges
Nan Badgett wrote:
>After the discussion of Rachael Rice's situation, I began to wonder what IS a
>reasonable rush charge. I am taking on a project for a valued client that has
>caused some rearranging for me. I should have charged them a rush fee, but
>didn't. Next time, I may, but don't know how much it should be.
My most recent experience with a rush fee occurred when a large publisher
contacted me with an index in deadline trouble. They routinely allow 3
weeks turnaround for indexes, and this one was needed in 8 days. They
offered 50% higher than their average page rate, which I gladly accepted.
Tells you what one client thought it was worth.
Regards,
Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com)
Freelance book indexing*
Rochester, Minnesota
*What's book indexing? ---> <http://www.well.com/user/asi/indfaq.htm>
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:17:25 -0700
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From: "Barbara J. Stroup" <bjstroup@MOUSE.MV.COM>
Subject: indexes and more in the news
Some interesting news tidbits (and my apology for posting list-serv commands
last week!)
re: thesaurus development....
"Microsoft Corp, the world's biggest software compnay, apologized
yesterday to Mexicans for "grave errors" in its (word processing) computer
thesaurus that equated Indians with cannibals......Used by up to 200,000
people in Mexico, a country whose population is mainly descended form Aztec
and Mayan Indians, the program suggested as alternatives for the word
"Indian": "man-eater" or "savage."
Consulted for synonyms for "Western," the Spanish language program
gave "Aryan," "white" and "civilized." Lesbians were equated with "pervert"
and "depraved person."
Microsoft Mexico offers an apology..." the company said and
is....dispatching a language expert from its software development center in
Ireland to discuss changes in the thesaurus with El Colegio de Mexico,
Mexico's most august cultural body."
and re: indexes.....
A Boston Globe reviewer likes the index in _Jack and Jackie:
Portrait of an American Marriage_ (Morrow)...."..those who appreciate
Kennedy trivia will eat it up. You can open it to just about any page and
find some riveting factoid. Or, if you have a specific interest, simply turn
to the index, where you'll find all the dirt neatly arranged in alphabetical
order from "amphetamines used by" to "womanizing of.".....
(This index definitely created by one of our soil-conserving gardening
members???)
Barbara Stroup
Indexer -
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:41:56 -0400
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From: Prindex@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: names
Jill,
I believe that four of the names on your list are Hebrew names. For Ibn
Gabirol I
saw a similar name, Moses Ibn Ezra under Moses in one book and under Ibn in
another. Ibn means son of in Arabic I believe. Solomon is Ibn Gabirol's
first name. For Yitzhak Dov Gilat I would put the entry under Gilat.
Yitzhak is a first name (Yitzhak Rabin), Dov is probably a middle name in
this case rather than part of a surname. For Ben-Zion Schereschewsky I would
put it under Schereschewsky, I think the Ben-Zion would be the first name.
For R. Moses Ha-Darshan I would put it under Moses. I think the R. stands
for Rabbi and I just looked up Darshan and that means preacher, so it's Rabbi
Moses, the preacher. For modern names like David Ben-Gurion, even though Ben
means son of you would put the name under Ben because that's his name. But
for the medieval names the ben (or ibn) has a different meaning - from the
days before last names- so I have seen it put both under the first name and
under the ben or ibn.
Hope this helps.
Judy Press
Press Indexing Services
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:45:16 -0400
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From: JPerlman@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: deadlines
<What do I do when the publisher insists on his/her deadlines, despite the
fact that the pages are weeks late? ....>
I've done it -- I said "no". After multiple promises of when the page proof
on a large book would arrive, and multiple rearrangements of my work
schedule, with lost opportunities and no written contract, ergo no
cancellation clause or penalty clauses, I told the publisher that it was
impossible to do a decent job in the time finally allowed when the page proof
arrived, and I would not try. This was to be a learning experience for me
... the publisher wanted her page proof returned, which I did. I stood my
ground, and it was returned at their expense.
I said I would return it to them gladly, but not by overnight mail. They
wanted it overnight so they could STILL REASSIGN THE INDEXING JOB!! I said I
wouldn't pay for overnight on 2 big boxes -- almost 1,000 pages, due in 1
week! They had to give me their FedEx # if they wanted it back that quickly,
which they did.
I knew I wouldn't get work from that publisher again .... but to tell the
truth, there are more fish in the ocean, and I've done fine without their
work! That was OK. I had to set limits, or this would be the first of many
instances of the same thing, I feared.
To set minds at east .... yes, I do bend over backwards for clients I know
and value. I do work short deadlines, but then again, they do usually give
me an incremental raise on the per page rate. It works hand in glove. I
value those clients and I will go along with them when they have scheduling
difficulties -- because they go along with me when I need a few extra days on
occasion.
But I certainly do NOT allow a publisher to start off on the wrong foot,
calling *all* the shots, abusing me, and not compensating for it. That is
beyond my limit.
Rachel, from my experience, what you lived through there is not the norm. It
was a horror story, as mine was. In my years of indexing, I've enjoyed a lot
of wonderful publisher or author/indexer relationships, I've enjoyed my work,
by and large, and I've experienced most editors as appreciative, cooperative,
reasonably human individuals. So there is hope. I think it helps to stand
your ground sometimes to get off on the right foot, though. Setting limits
from the start ensures that the relationship gets off to a good start. Don't
lose faith in indexing!
Janet Perlman
Southwest Indexing
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:21:58 -0600
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From: "Philip W. Jones" <hpjones@RT66.COM>
Subject: foreign words
I'm indexing a book about Japan which has a lot of Japanese words in
it. When I list these words in the index, do you think it is better
to provide a translation in parenthesis, or just leave them alone? My
instinct is to just leave them alone, because providing translations
seems to open a huge can of worms, as well as violating the principle
of not using the index as a glossary or encyclopaedia. I can see that
if I do give translations, the index will look inconsistent, because
some words don't need translation (karate), and others are titles of
newspapers or works of literature for which it would be more appropriate
to list the author's name or the word "newspaper" in paranthesis than
to list the literal translation. Also, it seems to me that if you
know enough to look up a foreign word in the index, you already know
what it means, or if you don't know, than any brief definition I give may
be too simplistic anyway.
How do other people handle this problem? I checked a bunch of cultural
studies books out of the library, and the indexes are very inconsistent.
Heather Jones
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 09:41:43 -0400
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From: Sonsie Conroy <sconroy@SLONET.ORG>
Subject: Re: Rush Charges
In-Reply-To: <199607060258.TAA17987@spork.callamer.com>
Leslie, can you define "rush job" for us? As I said earlier, I've never
gotten (or asked for) a rush charge on an indexing job, because they ALL
seem like "rush jobs" by any normal standards.
Under what circumstances has this been offered to you? Under what
circumstances would you ask for extra money if it wasn't offered up-front?
=Sonsie=
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:47:21 -0500
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From: Carol Roberts <Carol.Roberts@MIXCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: illness and horror story
Sometimes even if you can add on at the same number of days at the end of
the project. If a set of pages is, say, a week late, I might not be
available to still be indexing that book during the week after the original
due date, because I might be working on another index that's also on a
tight schedule.
I have one client who is unable to keep to a firm schedule, because the
books he handles are messy to design, so often the pages just aren't ready.
The way we finally worked it out was that when I agree to index a book for
him, I "pencil him in" and consider myself somewhat free to take on other
work. That is, if I get a call for another book that falls in the time I
blocked out for him, I call him to check on the schedule for his book (to
see if it's slipped--although I'd still rather that he let *me* know when
the schedule's slipped, sigh). If his schedule has slipped, then I'm free
to accept other work, and I fit his book in later--if I can. That might
sometimes mean that I won't get to do his book after all, but at least I
won't have turned away other work and end up twiddling my thumbs
(expensively) for a week. And on his side, he knows that if his schedule
slips too much, he can't expect me to be available, and he might have to
find someone else.
Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good.
Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com |
Milwaukee, WI |
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:43:17 -0800
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From: Janet Mccrorey <SANJOS004@CCVAX.FULLERTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: publisher copyright issues
It sounds like what you want to create in question one is an annotated
bibliography. You don't need anyone's permission for that. J. Mccrorey,
Librarian
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:34:08 -0500
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From: "Barbara E. Cohen" <becohen@PRAIRIENET.ORG>
Subject: Re: names
Hebrew names are not always consistently inverted, much like
other Middle Eastern names... You need to know the time period
of the person.... Biblical and ancient names may not invert,
but modern ones do in many cases: Ben-Gurion, David may mean
David son of Gurion, but Ben-Gurion is his last name and no one
would look him up under "David Ben-Gurion." My point is that
you should look the names up in a biographical dictionary or
major authority file to be sure, not rely on some general rules.
Barbara
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Barbara E. Cohen
Indexing & Editorial Services
Champaign, IL
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:36:03 -0500
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From: "Barbara E. Cohen" <becohen@PRAIRIENET.ORG>
Subject: Re: foreign words
If the foreign terms are recognized by the readers of the book, I
would not provide translations, except where the author has used
a specific translation or menaing of a word with multiple meanings.
such as: Aloha (hello)
Aloha (good-bye)
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Barbara E. Cohen
Indexing & Editorial Services
Champaign, IL
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:48:32 -0700
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From: Sarah Lee Bihlmayer <sarahlee@CONTENTMANAGE.COM>
Subject: Re: deadlines
Janet writes:
><What do I do when the publisher insists on his/her deadlines, despite the
>fact that the pages are weeks late? ....>
>
>I've done it -- I said "no". After multiple promises of when the page proof
>on a large book would arrive, and multiple rearrangements of my work
>schedule, with lost opportunities and no written contract, ergo no
>cancellation clause or penalty clauses, I told the publisher that it was
>impossible to do a decent job in the time finally allowed when the page proof
>arrived, and I would not try. This was to be a learning experience for me
>... the publisher wanted her page proof returned, which I did. I stood my
>ground, and it was returned at their expense.
I had only a few learning experiences of this sort before I ceased the
practice of doing _anything_ for a client without a written contract,
period. Even with my longest-standing clients, I still insist on it. That
way there's no confusion about everyone's roles, responsibilities, and
expectations. And I much prefer to say "no" to a request that I work
without a written contract than to a request that I fulfill a commitment to
complete and deliver a project by a fixed date when there is excessive
schedule slippage. Since my contracts contain cancellation and penalty
clauses and specify acceptable scheduling-change policies, this takes care
of the problem pretty neatly.
Sarah
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:31:54 -0400
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From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rush Charges
Sonsie and all,
With this particular publisher, the standard due date for an index is 2 weeks
after receipt of final pages. A rush job is anything less than that. I have
not had to ask for extra money. It has been offered to me every time they
have asked for a rush job (with one exception early on--apparently they asked
for the money in-house and forgot to tell me to invoice them for it. So my
$300 has been swimming around or with someone else for years.) When working
with small presses I have not asked for rush charges, I have asked for more
reasonable time. Now that I have read other indexers postings, I feel more
comfortable asking more for a rush job, even from the smaller presses. I may
ask for less however.
I would still consider less than 2 weeks a rush job. What are others'
opinions?
Leslie
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:02:38 +0300
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From: Harvey Kaniel <hkan@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Subject: Re: names
>R. Moses Ha-Darshan - "R." is "Rabbi." "Ha-Darshan" is not his surname,
but a title, meaning "the lecturer" or "the expositor." [Surnames were not
used by Jews at that time.]
>K. van der Toorn: probably "K." is first name. Surname would appear to
be "Van der Toorn" (Is this German? Sounds like a Dutch name)
>William von Soden: again surname is von Soden (this one sounds German)
>Ibn Gabirol: literally means: "son (of) Gabriol". [Again, not really a
surname]
His first name was Shlomo (Solomon).
>Yitzhak Dov Gilat: his surname is Gilat. "[Yitzhak Dov" is a sort of
'compound' first name]
>Ben-Zion Schereschewsky: his surname is Schereschewsky.
>Hope this helps
Harvey Kaniel
hkan@netvision.net.il
At 01:41 AM 7/1/96 -0400, Jillbarret@AOL.COM wrote:
>I was a bit hasty in posting my first inquiry. I found more names! The text
>provides little help. I have consulted Nancy Mulvaney's book and contacted
>my local library for help, but if anyone can give me guidance on making
>entries for the following names I would appreciate it! In most cases, the
>prefixes are throwing me off...not sure what they mean or where the *real*
>last name begins! Rather than just guess, I thought I'd call on the experts!
>
>R. Moses Ha-Darshan
>K. van der Toorn
>William von Soden
>Ibn Gabirol
>Yitzhak Dov Gilat
>Ben-Zion Schereschewsky
>
>Thanks!
>Jill Barrett
>Indexing Services
>
>