Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9906A" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:09:48 +1000 Reply-To: diagonal@hermes.net.au Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Botanical word lists The level of interest in the botanical word lists is quite high, so I will make them available through the AusSI Web site. They will be in a self-extracting compressed file called BOTANIC.EXE (106kb) which contains two ASCII files - BOTAN1.DIC and BOTAN2.DIC. Once extracted, to use them for spell checking start Word and go to Tools - Options - Spelling & Grammar - Dictionaries... and then Add... You'll need to add each dictionary file separately. The URL is http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/resources/botanic.exe =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Page Authoring http://www.hermes.net.au/jonjermey jonjermey@hermes.net.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:07:51 +0200 Reply-To: Louise Ferguson Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Louise Ferguson Subject: newspaper indexing We're planning a Web site for our mini-newspaper and are concerned about starting out with a good system for indexing contents. I've been told using keywords would be the best way of indexing newspaper content on-line and our fast-growing archives off-line, but I can't seem to find out much about the subject (I've drawn a blank with a couple of the Internet bookshops). Could anyone recommend some reading matter or Web sites that discuss the practicalities of newspaper indexing and newspaper archives? We have extremely limited resources, so nothing too complicated is required for the time being. But we want to start out the way we mean to go on. Thanks Louise lferguson@mx3.resdestb.es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:23:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Your government at work There was an article about this some time ago in the Wall Street Journal -- many small business owners were up in arms about this new regulation, since the reason they do this is to make it look like they're a "big" company, not a home-based business. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans [SMTP:infodex@MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 3:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Your government at work > > Like many of you, I work at home and maintain a business address at a mail > service (MailBoxes, Etc.) > > Today I received a notice that, according to new postal regulations, I > will > have to: > > - Reapply for my box with two forms of ID, one of which is a picture ID. > - Begin using the letters PMB (for Personal Mail Box) before the box > number in my address. > > If I do not begin using the PMB designation by October 26, the USPS will > no > longer deliver mail to MBE. > > I understand that the intent of this is to cut down on the fraudulent use > of mail drops, but to conform to the use of the PMB designation means > reprinting all of my business cards, letter head, envelopes and mailing > labels at a cost of several hundred dollars. > > I called the post master's office to try and get a copy of the USPS > regulation and they could not give me one. They said they would call > back. > > Anyone got any more dope on this? > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:45:54 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Appreciation of our craft An author (for whom I have indexed 3 books) has just sent me the following: "I was delighted in learning yesterday that the book will make its appearance in 3 or 4 weeks. I hope all our work has been done to your satisfaction and I also hope that for the sake of busy persons like me, who will often have to consult it, that you have given us a full alphabetical index. I have often assured authors that good as their works are, their indexes are the best part of them." "And so my dear Sir James let this hurried scribble be an index of the warm feelings towards you and Lady Ross." (manuscript letter from Sir Francis Beaufort, hydrographer, to Sir James Clark Ross, explorer, 19 Nov 1846) This comes 153 years after the event, but I've never seen it before, and surely it's never too late to publish a sincere appreciation of our craft. Alan ********************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:36:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: janetshay Subject: gray literature Can anyone out there tell me what "gray literature" is? Janet Shay djshay@prtcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:39:54 -0400 Reply-To: Kevin Broccoli Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kevin Broccoli Subject: Re: gray literature Gray literature is literature that is neither black nor white. Ha ha...sorry, I couldn't help myself....I don't know either. kb -----Original Message----- From: janetshay To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 9:40 AM Subject: gray literature >Can anyone out there tell me what "gray literature" is? >Janet Shay >djshay@prtcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:40:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: gray literature If I remember correctly, it is usually considered to be papers that have not been published and that are not accessible via the normal literature search route. Cynthia At 09:36 AM 6/1/99 -0400, janetshay wrote: >Can anyone out there tell me what "gray literature" is? >Janet Shay >djshay@prtcnet.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:04:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Re: gray literature "Gray literature is the body of reports, studies, surveys, workshops, etc. often produced by local government agencies, private organizations and educational facilities, which have not been reviewed and published in journals or other standard publications and thus are not widely available for study. These documents often contain valuable and unique information which is not found elsewhere. The result is that a large pool of scientific and economic information is seldom accessed by the research community. " From the PRAISE gray literature project (http://library.kcc.hawaii.edu/praise/grayweb2.html ) http://www.dtic.mil/summit/tb07.html Check here for a discussion of gray literature and policy analysis pertinent to the government. In medicine, gray literature could be any published material not peer reviewed, or not occurring in journals (like newspaper articles) or even stuff on the fringes of specific topics. S. Greenhouse ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:05:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906010732.rl7h75.q8n.37kbi15@mx7.mindspring.com> At 07:23 AM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >There was an article about this some time ago in the Wall Street Journal -- >many small business owners were up in arms about this new regulation, since >the reason they do this is to make it look like they're a "big" company, not >a home-based business. I spoke to a fellow named Roy Gamble this morning, one of the framers of the new regulation, and he was wholly unsympathetic. His exact words were "People like you who use those mail services have been responsible for losses to thousands of people." Charming. If you are interested, his phone number is 202-268-3197 Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:09:28 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pamela Venneman Subject: Re: Your government at work In a message dated 6/1/99 10:07:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, infodex@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > I spoke to a fellow named Roy Gamble this morning, one of the framers of > the new regulation, and he was wholly unsympathetic. His exact words were > "People like you who use those mail services have been responsible for > losses to thousands of people." > > Charming. > > If you are interested, his phone number is 202-268-3197 > What is his position? Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:19:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906011011.rl7qhb.jac.37kbi15.1@mx7.mindspring.com> At 10:09 AM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: > >What is his position? I was so taken aback by his attitude that I failed to get several pertinent pieces of information: his position, his address, and a source for the regulation. I'll post it when I find out. There is a town meeting with Congressman David Price here in Raleigh this evening and I plan to bring this up. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:36:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906011421.HAA07363@decibel.electriciti.com> Is it possible that this discussion can be taken off list and continue amongst only those interested? Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:32:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Your government at work Clearly, the main motivation for the Post Office to devise such a regulation is to sock it to the competition. However -- here's a bit of devil's advocacy.... Maintaining a mail box at a place like Mail Boxes Etc. (used only as an example here) involves a certain level of deception. What you have is, in effect, a P.O. box, but it takes on a certain amount of legitimacy because it sports a "real" street address. From what I understand, many mail fraud schemes take advantage of this very characteristic -- people believe they're dealing with a "real" company but are in fact dealing with a single individual. I expect, too, that maintaining such a mail box eases the task of running a business from home -- you're not using your home address as a mailing address, so no one can hassle you about violating zoning or other local laws. Truth is, the Post Office does the dirty work of delivering the mail, so they get to set the ground rules. (I seem to recall reading a novel many years ago called "The Crying of Lot 49" or something like that in which a character discovers a massive conspiracy to compete with the postal service; maybe that's what we need here -- a postal underground! I even recall a court case years ago involving a boy who offered mail and package delivery services in his immediate neighborhood -- the post office took him to court!) John Sullivan Stratus Computer > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans [SMTP:infodex@MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 10:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Your government at work > > At 10:09 AM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: > > > >What is his position? > > I was so taken aback by his attitude that I failed to get several > pertinent > pieces of information: his position, his address, and a source for the > regulation. I'll post it when I find out. > > There is a town meeting with Congressman David Price here in Raleigh this > evening and I plan to bring this up. > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:07:29 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Manjit Sahai Subject: ASI Conf.---Dress Code Hi everyone, This coming Indy conf. next week is going to be the first ASI conference I will be attending. I just want to know from fellow indexers (who have attended previous conferences) if there is any dress code. Is it ok to wear casual slacks and casual shoes or do I have to wear heels? Being a home based business owner, I am *no longer* used to wearing high heels except on social occasions. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Back to indexing! Manjit K. Sahai _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:12:52 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906011509.IAA16181@mail.mcn.org> Manjit asks: >Is it ok to wear casual slacks and casual shoes or do I have to wear heels? >Being a home based business owner, I am *no longer* used to wearing high >heels except on social occasions. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Although some people at the conference dress in standard business attire the whole time, others of us (myself included) do not own standard business attire (okay I could dress that way for about 2 days). Definitely wear comfortable shoes, unless you don't feel comfortable doing that. The conference is a great networking experience, so I guess appearances matter, but there is a huge range of clothing worn. Jeans are rare, slacks for women are common. Most but not all men wear coats, a fair number wear suits. I'm sure some people feel we should all be in business attire at the conference and may say so, however, the practice is diverse. Some of us come from academic backgrounds and other areas in which the standards of proper attire are different from corporate standards. My opinion (and practice), --Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:18:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: PMB >(MailBoxes, Etc.) >new postal regulations, I will have to: >- Reapply for my box with two forms of ID, one of >which is a picture ID. >- Begin using the letters PMB (for Personal Mail Box) >before the box number in my address. >If I do not begin using the PMB designation by >October 26, the USPS will no longer deliver mail to >MBE. I got the same notice. Luckily, I only had a few places to change. The "two forms of ID" (at least at my MBE, where I've had a box for 4 years) were my driver's license and they accepted a piece of mail (talk about self-referential!) >I understand that the intent of this is to cut down >on the fraudulent use of mail drops, Oh is that what it's for :-p And here I thought it was another innovative method of prying into our private lives. (Given, for example, the fact that various government agencies routinely get periodic lists of new addresses.) Silly me. >I called the post master's office to try and get a >copy of the USPS regulation and they could not give >me one. They said they would call back. Anyone got >any more dope on this? If you get that copy, please let me know too! :-) === RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:00:31 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906011439.HAA26751@mx1.eskimo.com> --=====================_311518635==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This subject is very much germane to us as small businesses and should be continued on the list. Pam should exercise her right to "delete" topics that do not interest her as I do daily on topics that do not interest me. Jeri Lee At 07:36 AM 6/1/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Is it possible that this discussion can be taken off list and continue >amongst only those interested? > > >Pam Rider >Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth >prider@electriciti.com >prider@tsktsk.com > Voice Transcription Bringing You Tomorrow's Tools for Today's Business 17233 - 140th Avenue SE, Ste. 104 Renton, Washington 98058-7013 (425) 254-1352 --=====================_311518635==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" This subject is very much germane to us as small businesses and should be continued on the list. 

Pam should exercise her right to "delete" topics that do not interest her as I do daily on topics that do not interest me.

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Then again, if I were running direct mail campaigns, I'd take all the "address unknown" returns in Sep thru Nov with "-door#- XYZ Street -slot/apt#-" formats and resend them with "-d#- XYZ Street -PMB#-" formats. === RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:43:36 -0700 Reply-To: synsidar@sprintmail.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Steven R. Stahl" Subject: Re: Your government at work Jeri Lee wrote: > This subject is very much germane to us as small businesses and should be > continued on the list. > > Pam should exercise her right to "delete" topics that do not interest her as I > do daily on topics that do not interest me. > > Jeri Lee > > At 07:36 AM 6/1/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >Is it possible that this discussion can be taken off list and continue > >amongst only those interested? I have to disagree with Ms. Lee's opinion. The complaints about the Postal Service's new regulations on usage of PMB boxes are of interest mainly to indexers who operate their own businesses *and* use PMB boxes. To others, the complaints and associated comments may merely be ranting about the Postal Service that stopped serving a useful purpose days ago. I'm assuming that this is a forum for comments about indexing, not small business practices. SRS ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:52:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906011109.rl7tso.8vb.37kbi17@mx9.mindspring.com> At 08:07 AM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >This coming Indy conf. next week is going to be the first ASI conference I >will be attending. I just want to know from fellow indexers (who have >attended previous conferences) if there is any dress code. Yes, you must be dressed. That's about the extent of it. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:57:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906011214.rl81o3.7ch.37kbi3u@mx10.mindspring.com> At 09:12 AM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >The conference is a great networking experience, so I guess appearances >matter, but there is a huge range of clothing worn. Jeans are rare, slacks >for women are common. Most but not all men wear coats, a fair number wear >suits. Isn't it odd how perceptions vary? I've been to five conference and would never have categorized men's apparel habits this way. I wear jeans, though I will probably upgrade to khakis and a sport coat because of my Board duties this year. I would have said a few men wear jackets and even fewer wear suits (most commonly those who are presenting.) In any event, you won't stick out in jeans and casual dress. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:58:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Salary/earnings survey I apologize if I'm missing something obvious, but I'm looking for the salary/earnings survey that used to be posted on the ASI website. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of it? I've searched the archives, but they all direct me to the website and I can't find it on the website. Thanks in advance for all of your help! -- Sharon W. Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:07:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906011329.rl863c.nnc.37kbi14@mx6.mindspring.com> At 12:43 PM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: > >To others, the complaints and associated >comments may merely be ranting about >the Postal Service that stopped serving >a useful purpose days ago. I'm assuming >that this is a forum for comments about >indexing, not small business practices. As has been mentioned before, *all * aspects of indexing are acceptable here. For instance, the freelancers don't try to shut out the corporate indexers or vice versa. Freelancers commonly discuss aspects of operating a home office: equipment, insurance, etc. Such topics are of little or no interest to staff indexers, but are nevertheless grist for the INDEX-L mill. The discussion about the *regulation* is still useful. The *metadiscussion* about whether the original discussion is useful is what is taking up the bandwidth. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:21:56 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marian Dworaczek Subject: Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information The June 1st, 1999 edition of the "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" and the accompanying "Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. Over 900 titles were identified and indexed in great detail for this project. Thousands of URLs (Uniform Resource Locators) were added to various entries. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been crossposted to several mailing lists. Please excuse and duplication and inconveniences caused by it. --------------------------------------------- Marian Dworaczek Head, Acqusitions Department and Head, Technical Services University of Saskatchewan Libraries Phone: (306) 966-6016 Fax: (306) 966-5919 http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:40:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Cinvert help needed Hello, all - Does anyone out there have experience using Cinvert? I need some help getting started with it, and would gladly pay you for some phone consultation time. Please contact me off-list at norcross@ipass.net or phone me at (919) 852-0042 (I'll call you back on my nickel). Thanks! Ann Norcross ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:06:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906011509.IAA04633@neti.saber.net> Manjit, Many of us are in the same boat! Casual and comfortable sounds good to me, though I always keep in mind that I will be meeting and networking with other indexers. *****************************************************************************J. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ****************************************************************************** http://www.asindexing.org <-- American Society of Indexers website. http://www.indexpup.com/index-list/FAQ <--Index-L e-mail list FAQS. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:16:12 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code Manjit, Not only meeting and networking with other indexers, but with potential clients as well. Publishers do attend and participate in the conference. This may make a difference in your clothes choices. Dress is "comfortable", by and large. What I call "good casual". I don't wear jeans and sandals, for example. I do wear slacks and a neat shirt and loafers or comfortable shoes. As they say .... "you never know who you may meet." By and large, people pretty much do their own thing, as you can see by the varied responses. But business suits, high heels for women, and "standard business attire" are definitely not the norm. Looking forward to meeting you there! Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:27:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Xiaodong Li Subject: Good Library Site ! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000123.01BEAC3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please visit our library's home page: =20 http://library.tamu.edu/hss/ It covers databases, e-journals, cd-roms, goverment documents, Internet resources by subject, and more... Bookmark or link to it. 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For those of you who have taken the USDA courses, did you find any great advantage in taking the applied course as well as the basic course, or did you find the basic course sufficient to get you started in the indexing biz? Thanks in advance for your help. Best Regards, Neil Leslie (Niall Mor@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:52:16 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906011758.KAA18390@mail.mcn.org> At 01:57 PM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:12 AM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >>The conference is a great networking experience, so I guess appearances >>matter, but there is a huge range of clothing worn. Jeans are rare, slacks >>for women are common. Most but not all men wear coats, a fair number wear >>suits. > >Isn't it odd how perceptions vary? I've been to five conference and would >never have categorized men's apparel habits this way. I wear jeans, though >I will probably upgrade to khakis and a sport coat because of my Board >duties this year. I would have said a few men wear jackets and even fewer >wear suits (most commonly those who are presenting.) In any event, you >won't stick out in jeans and casual dress. I stand most happily corrected! I, being an artist type, tend to wear whatever wanted to go into the suitcase the day I pack. This varies. Except for the comfortable shoes part. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:10:19 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Field Subject: Background education for an indexer I know that many pro freelance indexers have Masters in Library Science degrees. I was just curious about the prospects for someone who does not have such a degree, or degrees and experience in related fields (technical writing, for example). Would you say that for publishers to take freelance indexers seriously, an MLS degree is necessary? Feel free to reply to me directly, and thanks in advance. Karen Field Technical Writer, Editor, and Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:57:45 -0500 Reply-To: lfetters@caller.infi.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Fetters Organization: InfiNet Subject: Re: Cinvert help needed Hello Ann, I've used Cinvert many times, but I use it so infrequently that I forget everything in between times! I assume you have the manual and that it is not enough help. One problem I've run across is that Cinvert displays error messages for each record it converts, but actually, there's no problem and the resulting .DAT file is OK. I am very busy this week with a large indexing project, but if no one else comes forth, please feel free to call me at 361-857-8049. Evenings (after 6:30 Central time) are best for me. Won't Indexing Research help you? Linda Fetters > Hello, all - > > Does anyone out there have experience using Cinvert? I need some > help getting started with it, and would gladly pay you for some > phone consultation time. Please contact me off-list at > norcross@ipass.net or phone me at (919) 852-0042 (I'll call you > back on my nickel). > > Thanks! > > Ann Norcross ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:22:16 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code I remember my first national meeting (Alexandria). I was extremely nervous, knew only one person, and carefully scraped together a semi-professional wardrobe (I don't own suits, hose, or high heels). I had been carrying my stuff around town in a canvas bag, but decided to bring my zip-up leather calendar/notebook so I could look more professional. And then the first thing that happened was that registration gave me a canvas bag! At my second meeting, in Denver, I was more relaxed but still trying to wear nice blouses and slacks, look a little dressy...then the temperature went over 100 and the air conditioning in the hotel didn't work. Everyone went out and bought t-shirts and wore them for the rest of the week. Since then I haven't worried about dress code at all. I make sure I'm neat and clean; I wear chinos and blouses or t-shirts, and I think this level of dress is fine. If you feel more comfortable in more business-like attire, wear that! Mostly, you're going to be meeting a whole bunch of friendly people, and you'll forget what you're wearing after about five minutes. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:46:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: dress code, update, OT(?) issues In-Reply-To: <92825968101@voyager.together.net> re Dress Code for Indy, I'll be wearing comfortable shorts and casual top, and most likely Birkenstock sandals, or black sneakers with deliberately mismatched but color-coordinated socks. I don't own a business suit, nor a skirt, nor heeled shoes. I think you can dress however you feel comfortable, as long as, as Dick said, you're Dressed. :-D Update on the company that might be filing for Chap. 11 bankruptcy: I received a partial payment from them on Friday. I have been told the rest will also be paid, but they don't know when. I also know that they are still contacting indexers for assignments, but I would be very wary. They could still end up OK and be back in full swing, but nothing is certain as of this afternoon. Will keep you updated. If you aren't interested, delete. To those of you who asked for the name of the company, at the risk of sounding paranoid, I want to remind you all to be discreet and not discuss what you know of this company in public, and if someone from that company contacts you for work, not to let them know that someone was telling their business in public. Thanks! As for my two cents worth on the mail box discussions, I agree that it is germane to our business of indexing even though it isn't of interest to me personally, and that this list can certainly talk about matters that pertain to running a business that aren't directly about indexing. I don't want to have to join different lists for everything. Ergonomicchairs-L? Whichmouseisbest-L? Cananyonerecommendaprinter-L? I don't index legal books, yet I would never in a million years expect that those who do should take their discussions about it off line. My two cents over. Rae Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:10:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Hernandez Subject: Re: Questions from another "pre-newbie" Neil wrote: > I see that USDA offers two courses in indexing, basic and >applied. >For those of you who have taken the USDA courses, did you find any >great >advantage in taking the applied course as well as the basic course, or >did >you find the basic course sufficient to get you started in the >indexing biz? I took only the Basic course. I also practiced alot and read a few more indexing books before marketing myself. I've never regretted not taking the Advanced course. - Susan *************************************** Susan Danzi Hernandez BookEnd Indexing susanhernandez@juno.com (316) 789-0576 (Kansas) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:07:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Hernandez Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer Karen, When I got started, which is just over a year ago, no one I spoke with asked me about my indexing education. They were interested in "what" I could index, meaning what subject areas. Since I was new and without experience, I thought it best to concentrate on subjects I could back up with my resume - in my case this meant engineering and business subjects. (No MLS - I have a BSME and MBA) It's easier for me to index technical, business, and physical science books than life science books. But even so, I find that, with some extra research, my indexing skills serve me well in many fields (even molecular biology). I took the USDA Basic Indexing course and I feel that, along with a fair bit of practice and self study, it helped prepare me for a freelance career. - Susan *************************************** Susan Danzi Hernandez BookEnd Indexing susanhernandez@juno.com (316) 789-0576 (Kansas) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:28:48 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Prue Deacon Subject: Re: gray literature To add to other replies: "Gray/grey literature" includes government reports and papers which are not formally published through an official government publishing service. Often these start out as internal, but not confidential, reports. They tend not to have title pages and title page versos like formal publications. Sometimes this makes them difficult to catalogue, but sometimes the cataloguing is dead easy. They will generally be catalogued by the originating agency, but may not make it to the national and international cataloguing networks. Prue Deacon Commonwealth Department of Health and Aged Care, Australia prue.deacon@health.gov.au @PRTCNET.COM> on 01/06/99 23:36:46 To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L cc: (bcc: Prue Deacon/ITG/Health) Subject: gray literature Can anyone out there tell me what "gray literature" is? Janet Shay djshay@prtcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:15:45 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Russell Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer > I know that many pro freelance indexers have Masters in Library Science > degrees. I was just curious about the prospects for someone who does not > have such a degree, or degrees and experience in related fields (technical > writing, for example). Would you say that for publishers to take freelance > indexers seriously, an MLS degree is necessary? The ASI survey showed that only about 20% of members of ASI have library degrees. As a librarian who specializes in indexing works on library science, I can testify that library school teaches almost nothing about the skills necessary for back-of-the-book indexes. I have made a lot of money redoing the indexes of author-librarians. Database indexing, which uses controlled vocabularies, does bear some resemblance to cataloging, but not enough to warrant getting an entire degree. I don't think any publisher, including the library science ones I work for, was that impressed by my MA in Library Science. I did get one art history book because I had an undergraduate degree in history. Janet Russell ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:01:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Shrout Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code Just to add one other male perspective. This will be my fourth conference. I plan to wear a coat and tie once, at the Banquet, otherwise unless the hotel meeting rooms are very cold, just my usual attire, short sleeve shirts and slacks, no jeans. As has been said already, this group pays little attention to what you are wearing and much more attention to you. I am looking forward to seeing everyone soon. And Dick, Board member or not, you have to wear the bib overalls at least once! Richard Shrout Manjit Sahai wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > This coming Indy conf. next week is going to be the first ASI conference I > will be attending. I just want to know from fellow indexers (who have > attended previous conferences) if there is any dress code. > > Is it ok to wear casual slacks and casual shoes or do I have to wear heels? > Being a home based business owner, I am *no longer* used to wearing high > heels except on social occasions. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. > > Back to indexing! > > Manjit K. Sahai > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:13:09 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: UK SI members coming to ASI conference I'm looking for a member of the Society of Indexers in the UK who is coming to the ASI conference in Indianapolis. I'd like to get my hands on a copy of Hazel Bell's second edition of "Indexing Biographies and Other Stories of Human Lives," and I'm looking for some kind soul who might be willing to bring me a copy -- I would reimburse them for the book, of course. In fact, I'd gladly buy them a frosty beverage of their choice (or two) for their trouble! Please drop me a line at pmauer@aol.com. TIA. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:37:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Xiaodong Li." Subject: repost: Good LIbrary Sites Sorry for reposting, but my first message was not in ASCII format, so some of you probably could not read it. Please visit our library web sites: 1) Humanities & Social Sciences Services, TAMU Libraries: http://library.tamu.edu/hss/ 2) Sciences & Engineering Services, TAMU Libraries: http://library.tamu.edu/se/ Bookmark or link to them. Comments welcome! ----------------- Xiaodong Li Electronic Resources Librarian Sterling C. Evans Library Texas A&M University College Station, Texas, USA xli@tamu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:52:52 +0800 Reply-To: Ling Heang Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ling Heang Subject: Agdex Classification Scheme This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEACEE.72F4EAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AGDEX SURVEY INTRODUCTION A new edition of the Agdex Adapted for Use in Australia, a classification scheme for managing Australian agricultural extension information, will be launched in August 1999. This project has been funded by the Rural Industries Research and Development Corporation (RIRDC) and is being prepared by Kondinin Group's Information Management team of Ruth McIntyre and Ling Heang in consultation with a wide range of information specialists. The revision of the Agdex classification scheme to include new commodities, technology and practices will enable the continued inclusion of Agdex numbers on printed extension material. Many farmers and extension officers find filing their information by Agdex ideal and Kondinin Group has been approached by various organisations considering other applications for Agdex, for example for organising material for information and pollfax services. Agdex will be published in a high quality spiral bound format, on heavy paper/light board, with coloured pages reflecting the colour-coded scheme. The intention is that this will be a manual that will stand up to handling over an extended period. There are several details concerning the needs and interests of potential users that need to be clarified before Agdex is published. As this will be an expensive publication to print, and variations in the size of the print run have a direct bearing on the individual unit cost, your response to this survey would be greatly appreciated. The survey is attached. If you wish to discuss Agdex and the survey with anyone, please contact Ling Heang on 2nd - 4th June, or Ruth McIntyre on 8th - 11th June (Monday 7th is a public holiday in Western Australia) on 1800 677 761 or 61-8-94783343. 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Sullivan wrote, in part: >Maintaining a mail box at a place like Mail Boxes Etc. (used only as an >example here) involves a certain level of deception. What you have is, in >effect, a P.O. box, but it takes on a certain amount of legitimacy because >it sports a "real" street address. From what I understand, many mail fraud >schemes take advantage of this very characteristic -- people believe they're >dealing with a "real" company but are in fact dealing with a single >individual. > The sole reason I established such an address was to ensure that I could receive FedEx and Airborne packages in a timely manner without having to sit home and wait for them, or have them left on the porch. I often have other things to attend to during the day and work evenings, so it is a great convenience for me. When I established the box, the MBE owner stated that their policy was that I must use the "Suite" nomenclature rather than "box." It made no difference to me, so I complied. In order to avoid confusion, I use this address on all business correspondence, business cards, etc. This creates the bind, and causes the expense of changing my address. The Post Office may be trying to improve revenue from P.O. boxes at the expense of Mailboxes Etc, but they do NOT have a competitive product: Fed Ex and Airborne do not deliver to P.O. boxes, and I don't want to try to dictate my clients' shipping methods. As to deception, anyone ordering a product or investing money using only the form of mailing address as a guarantee of legitimacy or quality is an innocent ripe for fleecing by any number of schemes; this regulation will not protect anyone. The fraudulent operator can easily give a plausible explanation for what the "PMB" stands for, and 99% of the gullible will be reeled in anyway. This issue is important for a number of index-l subscribers, though not to all; I hope list readers will tolerate the discussion as other peripheral topics (PC hardware, proper attire for ASI conferences...) are tolerated. Regards, Larry Harrison [remove NOSPAM from reply address to email me directly] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:50:14 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elizabeth M. Moys" Subject: Hazel's book at ASI Dear Peg, I've seen your message on the Index-L digest. We have sent a collection of our Occasional Papers to someone in ASI for sale (we hope) at your conference. Afraid I can't tell you who to contact, but I expect you can work it out. Good luck! Betty (Treasurer, Society of Indexers) ==================================================================== Elizabeth M. Moys email: betty@moys.demon.co.uk Hengist, Badgers Road, Badgers Mount, Sevenoaks, Kent, TN14 7AT, England Tel/fax: +44 (0)1959-534530 Mobile: 07771-615239 (Vodafone) ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Schroeder Subject: Re: Hazel's book at ASI The Papers will be on sale at the Indianapolis Conference along with back issues of KeyWords at the Registration Desk. The issues of KeyWords which are not sold will be destroyed when Bonnie moves to her new house in late July. So this will be your last chance to purchase them. Anything that does not sell will be posted on the ASI website with a period of time to purchase from there. Sandi Schroeder Vice President, ASI -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth M. Moys To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 5:49 AM Subject: Hazel's book at ASI >Dear Peg, > >I've seen your message on the Index-L digest. > >We have sent a collection of our Occasional Papers to someone in ASI for >sale (we hope) at your conference. Afraid I can't tell you who to >contact, but I expect you can work it out. > >Good luck! > >Betty > >(Treasurer, Society of Indexers) >==================================================================== >Elizabeth M. Moys > email: betty@moys.demon.co.uk > Hengist, Badgers Road, Badgers Mount, > Sevenoaks, Kent, TN14 7AT, England > Tel/fax: +44 (0)1959-534530 > Mobile: 07771-615239 (Vodafone) >==================================================================== > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:44:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara S. Littlewood" Subject: Indexer fees/Author costs I'm trying to find out the standard publisher's practice regarding = the author-index-royalties situation. A friend wrote a reference = book for a national publisher and was told that he could not prepare = the index. The publisher said that only freelance indexers "on their = list" could do the job, but that the cost would come out of the = author's royalties. The author was charged what seems a very high = amount--over $4.50/page or $0.95/entry, for an index consisting of = main entries which are place names. Is there some standard markup between indexer fees and royalty = charges? (There was no packager involved.) Thanks in advance for any = information/enlightenment. Barb Littlewood= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:02:28 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Adlam Subject: Re: indexing advice In-Reply-To: <199905282317.AAA17964@hermes> Thank you to all those who replied to my query so quickly. Your help is much appreciated. ---------------------- Carol Adlam Department of Russian Queen's Building The Queen's Drive University of Exeter Exeter EX6 6HE, UK Tel: 01392 264211 WWW: http://www.ex.ac.uk/russian ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:07:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906020141.rl9h11.l8m.37kbi16@mx8.mindspring.com> At 12:41 AM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >John R. Sullivan wrote, in part: > >>Maintaining a mail box at a place like Mail Boxes Etc. (used only as an >>example here) involves a certain level of deception. Being a freelancer operating out of your home requires considerable "deception" which I prefer to think of as "image management." I do most of my work in a bathrobe with a cat on my lap and Oprah on the TV. Do I want to be perfectly "honest" and present this image to my clients? By the logic of the USPS, I should be forced to visit my clients in my bathrobe because to wear a suit would be "deceptive." Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:10:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Word limitations Does anyone have a summary of the limitations of the MS-Word indexing features? I'm looking for specifics, like sorting and handling of cross refs. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:11:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Your government at work Dick wrote: > I do most of my work in a bathrobe with a cat on my lap and Oprah on the > TV. Do I want to be perfectly "honest" and present this image to my > clients? By the logic of the USPS, I should be forced to visit my clients > in my bathrobe because to wear a suit would be "deceptive." > > The cat's out of the bag now, Dick. My mental image of you has been shattered. My use of the term "deception" was not intended to offend. My point was simply that some unscrupulous sorts use such mail locations as a way to conceal their true identities and whereabouts. Once again, I'll slip back under my rock and be silent..... John Sullivan Stratus Computer (not my real name or employer, of course!) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:28:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906021019.rlafap.ehv.37kbi3u@mx10.mindspring.com> At 10:11 AM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >Dick wrote: > > My use of the term "deception" was not intended to offend. My point >was simply that some unscrupulous sorts use such mail locations as a way to >conceal their true identities and whereabouts. > No offense taken. I readily admit the mailbox practice is deceptive, but deceptive in the most harmless kind of way. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:29:43 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Hazel Bell's book Thanks to those who replied to me privately about Hazel Bell's book. Sandi tells me that they will be for sale at the Indi conference. That's great to hear! Thanks also to those who answered my questions about the H.W.Wilson Award guidelines; they're on the ASI web site. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:53:14 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Manjit Sahai Subject: Re: ASI Conference Dress Code Hi everyone, Thank you so much for your comments and suggestions regarding dress code for ASI conference. Now I know for sure what to pack for my trip. Rob Rich wrote..... >If you want to make an impression, try wearing an incredibly elegant, >gold-embroidered sari - I think they are wonderfully attractive!>> BTW, I hardly wear saris anymore. The last time I wore sari, it was in 1992 when me and my husband celebrated my son's first birthday. But thanks for the suggestion. . Manjit K. Sahai _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:56:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pamela Venneman Subject: Re: Your government at work For more about the PMB situation an informational website has been started by irate citizens. www.postalwatch.org Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:05:00 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Your government at work John R. Sullivan wrote >a bit of devil's advocacy.... >Maintaining a mail box at a place like Mail Boxes >Etc. (used only as an example here) involves a >certain level of deception. [...] a "real" street >address. From what I understand, many mail fraud >schemes take advantage of this [...] I expect, too, >that maintaining such a mail box eases the task of >running a business from home [...] no one can hassle >you about violating zoning or other local laws. Truth >is, the Post Office does the dirty work of delivering >the mail, so they get to set the ground rules. I use a PMB because (1) the Post Office does *not* do a very good job delivering the mail in my area. Specifically, they fail miserably in safeguarding the mail. Back-when mail slots were in the front door and mail was delivered directly into the house, mail delivery was reasonably secure. Now ... kids frequently destroy curbside mailboxes (especially the more interesting challenge of locked boxes) and various locals regularly violate the privacy of any unlocked curbside mailboxes. The laws against such activities are not enforced. My local post offices (that is, anywhere within 30 miles of my home) have no onsite boxes available and a long waiting list. These post offices have no intention (I asked) to increase the supply to meet the demand. (2) The PMB service I use (MBE) provides a secure drop for UPS, FedEx, and larger Post Office mail -- things I don't want left obviously on my doorstep for any of the local snoops, thieves, and pranksters to mess with. (3) The PMB service provides access to "signature-required" mail at hours that do not require me to take time away from work to pick up such mail, or for that matter larger packages that don't fit in the box. There is no post office within reasonable lunch-hour access of where I work. (I'm a staff writer and indexer and moonlight as a freelance indexer.) (4) The PMB service provides a one-stop solution for UPS, FedEx, Post Office, and fax communications. *When* the Post Office offers quality service equivalent to that offered by the PMBs, I'll agree the Post Office does "do the dirty work" of delivering the mail and can ethically compete by means of special-interest legislation. Until then, IMHO they do but a half-a**ed job of mail delivery, inadequate for the needs of both small businesses and personal privacy. === RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:41:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: Music in Indy --------------------------------------------- MUSIC in INDIANAPOLIS --------------------------------------------- If you are attending the ASI annual meeting in Indianapolis June 9 - 13 and would like to participate in an informal musical activity, please attend a BRIEF hello session on Thursday afternoon 5:15 to 5:30 in front of the registration area. Bring your music (and copies to share) and your instrument (if you play one). We will decide when and where we will be getting together for our musical activities. If you have already been in touch with Marilyn Rowland or Karen Lane, we are expecting you. If you have not yet been in touch, just show up. See you in Indy! Marilyn & Karen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:59:01 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Re: Legal editing work Sorry--I was less than clear in my post. We're in the middle of a big move (North Carolina to HAWAII!!!), and my brain is a frazzle. OK, EEI is a company in Alexandria that places editors and such with companies that need them. They also do a lot of training. I took their 2-day basic indexing course and thought it was terrific. I'm sure it's not as thorough in indexing technique as the USDA course, but it was a marvelous introduction and taught a lot of the basics of indexing and Cindex as well. EEI's website is at www.eeicom.com (yes, that's com.com--not a boo boo!) I have a friend who took their proofreading class and at least one of their editing classes and found them to be worthwhile. The University of VA (in Charlottesville) offers a continuing education program in editing. They also have a campus in northern VA in the DC suburbs. I don't believe they offer any indexing classes, but I took a semester class in advanced editing there a couple years ago. Here are some websites to check: Continuin g Education Publishing and Communications Institute Certificate Publishing & Communications Institute - Center for University Programs Academic book publishing Aloha, y'all! Bonnie Taylor (who is obviously suffering from great confusion during this move!) << << EEI in Alexandria, VA, offers good 2- and 3-day training programs in copyediting and proofreading. So does the University of VA's extension campus in the DC area. Check local university continuing education departments. Also, you can order the books from EEI and teach yourself. The proofreading book is especially good though I can't think of the name at the moment. >> Hi Bonnie; To be more specific--what and where is: EEI and The Univeristy of VA.'s extension program? Thanks; Patrick De Prisco. :-) >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:34:55 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: W: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Word limitations In-Reply-To: <199906021012.rlaeui.pmt.37kbi14@mx6.mindspring.com> Hi Dick, In Word, you have no real option for sorting, it does what it does --which is word by word. Symbols, no matter what, and numbers sort at the top. Cross references exist, and mostly run off the main head. No indenting below, no choice of first or last position for see alsos. It does italicize the See. No verification of cross references -- you have to check each one. There is a limitation on how many page ranges you can have -- page ranges require you to bookmark the text, and things start going REALLY slowly if you bookmark heavily and you have a machine without a lot of memory. You can choose to compile the index in sections to get around that. Page numbers also vary according to your target printer -- it is critical to build the index on the same machine that the piece will be printed from. Hope that helps... Jan At 10:10 AM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have a summary of the limitations of the MS-Word indexing >features? I'm looking for specifics, like sorting and handling of cross refs. > >Dick =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:03:35 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Postal Service Yes, Robin has it right. US Postal Service mailboxes aren't secure at all. Since moving to my suburban home 5 years ago, our "cluster" mailboxes have been vandalized and pried open twice. Not exactly where I want my payment checks to be delivered! In our previous house, we had our own curbside mailboxes, but they were not a locking kind. Anybody could place mail in them and take it out. A federal offense, of course, but does that stop kids. It would have meant modifying a built-in mail set-up to put a lock on it. The mailbox place I use provides the level of security I need for my mail. And, as an added perc, it obviates FedEx trucks showing up at my door twice and three times a day -- something which my neighbors would not appreciate, I'm sure. In addition to the above, it prevents my from advertising my home address all over creation, thereby ensuring a measure of privacy and security for me and my family. There are good reasons to use a mailbox address. Image management is only a small part of the decision to use such an address. And deception doesn't enter into it at all. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:20:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Announcing website Hello all! Announcing that I now have a website at http://www.marisol.com/southwestindexing Interestingly, I've already gotten one new client who says she found me by doing a web search. It will be interesting to track how effective the website is as a marketing tool. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:25:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Seth A. Maislin" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Organization: Focus Information Services Subject: Re: Word limitations SORTING IN MICROSOFT WORD Actually, there does exist an undocumented technique for overriding sorting in Word. And I have to say, I only know it exists because I discovered it by accident. Use the semicolon. Here are examples: {XE ".doc filename extension;doc filename extension"} {XE "filenames:8.3 naming convention;eightdotthree naming convention"} The special sorting string is included on the same hierarchical level as what you're sorting. Unlike FrameMaker, which requires you to retype the entire [edited] index entry a second time in brackets, here you duplicate [with edits] only the part you want sorted specially. Now, if you want to sort symbols in a special order, you have to invent a kludge that meets your needs. I like using the @ symbol myself, and then I sort symbols in alpha order by author-chosen English name. For example: {XE "* (asterisk);@asterisk:wildcard character"} {XE "& (ampersand);@ampersand:logical AND operator"} {XE "| (vertical bar);@vertical:logical OR operator"} {XE ". (dot);@dot:filenames beginning with"} {XE ". (period);period" \t "See . (dot)"} & (ampersand) logical AND operator * (asterisk) wildcard character, 000 . (dot) filenames beginning with, 000 . (period). See . (dot) | (vertical bar) logical AND operator, 000 I never said it was easy, I just said it was possible. I've been doing it long enough that it's become second nature to me -- so if anyone has any really unusually sorting problems, please let me know. I bet I have an answer. :-) CROSS REFERENCES IN WORD You can create cross references at other levels than the main head, but the formatting is disastrous. If you're willing to make manual changes when you're done, you can add them wherever you want. You just need to make sure you're using the correct XE codes for cross references, which is /t. Consider: {XE "schools" \t "See education"} schools. See education That the "See" is italicized is the default if you use the dialog box Word gives you to insert entries. But you can edit it within the dialog, and you can edit the tags elsewhere within the document. (A well-written global search-and-replace action can do all sorts of things for your tags.) Personally, I dislike the Chicago style of using a period and italicized text for cross references, although it's to Microsoft's credit that the dialog box uses it by default (sort of). Given the challenges of writing online documentation, for example, italics is easily lost during conversions. I prefer the style developed at O'Reilly & Associates, which is to use parentheses to surround the cross references: schools (see colleges; education) education (see also colleges) There are no italics, no periods, and no capital letters. MS Word will let you do this, but you'll find the dialog box to be a hindrance if you decide to disobey Chicago Manual styles. You'll need to use the \t signifier without an argument, and to put the cross reference within the entry itself. If you want a see-also-style cross references to be on its own line, you can sort it using the technique described above: {XE "schools (see colleges \;education)" \t ""} {XE "education:(see also colleges);@" \t ""} <-- @ sorts it to top; use "zzz" to sort to bottom OTHER TOPICS Jan hit almost all the other topics; I have nothing to add. I have a list of the rest of Word's fields (like \t for cross references and \r for ranges); it was something I prepared a long time ago for a client. Perhaps I'll submit the idea to Key Words (and other newsletters) for publication. Most of them are useless anyway. Typical. :-) - Seth Seth Maislin Focus Information Services smaislin@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:38:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Word limitations In-Reply-To: <199906021327.rlaqca.prd.37kbi14@mx6.mindspring.com> Seth, that is amazing! A totally undocumented sort order for WORD??? You deserve chocolate by the pound for figuring out that one - I've never found even a hint of it anywhere in any doc set. A standing ovation over email just started. Jan At 01:25 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Seth A. Maislin wrote: >SORTING IN MICROSOFT WORD > >Actually, there does exist an undocumented technique for overriding >sorting in Word. And I have to say, I only know it exists because I >discovered it by accident. Use the semicolon. Here are examples: > >{XE ".doc filename extension;doc filename extension"} >{XE "filenames:8.3 naming convention;eightdotthree naming >convention"} > >The special sorting string is included on the same hierarchical >level as what you're sorting. Unlike FrameMaker, which requires you >to retype the entire [edited] index entry a second time in brackets, >here you duplicate [with edits] only the part you want sorted >specially. > >Now, if you want to sort symbols in a special order, you have to >invent a kludge that meets your needs. I like using the @ symbol >myself, and then I sort symbols in alpha order by author-chosen >English name. For example: > > {XE "* (asterisk);@asterisk:wildcard character"} > {XE "& (ampersand);@ampersand:logical AND operator"} > {XE "| (vertical bar);@vertical:logical OR operator"} > {XE ". (dot);@dot:filenames beginning with"} > {XE ". (period);period" \t "See . (dot)"} > > & (ampersand) > logical AND operator > * (asterisk) > wildcard character, 000 > . (dot) > filenames beginning with, 000 > . (period). See . (dot) > | (vertical bar) > logical AND operator, 000 > >I never said it was easy, I just said it was possible. I've been >doing it long enough that it's become second nature to me -- so if >anyone has any really unusually sorting problems, please let me >know. I bet I have an answer. :-) > > >CROSS REFERENCES IN WORD > >You can create cross references at other levels than the main head, >but the formatting is disastrous. If you're willing to make manual >changes when you're done, you can add them wherever you want. You >just need to make sure you're using the correct XE codes for cross >references, which is /t. Consider: > > {XE "schools" \t "See education"} > > schools. See education > >That the "See" is italicized is the default if you use the dialog >box Word gives you to insert entries. But you can edit it within the >dialog, and you can edit the tags elsewhere within the document. (A >well-written global search-and-replace action can do all sorts of >things for your tags.) > >Personally, I dislike the Chicago style of using a period and >italicized text for cross references, although it's to Microsoft's >credit that the dialog box uses it by default (sort of). Given the >challenges of writing online documentation, for example, italics is >easily lost during conversions. I prefer the style developed at >O'Reilly & Associates, which is to use parentheses to surround the >cross references: > > schools (see colleges; education) > education > (see also colleges) > >There are no italics, no periods, and no capital letters. MS Word >will let you do this, but you'll find the dialog box to be a >hindrance if you decide to disobey Chicago Manual styles. You'll >need to use the \t signifier without an argument, and to put the >cross reference within the entry itself. If you want a >see-also-style cross references to be on its own line, you can sort >it using the technique described above: > > {XE "schools (see colleges \;education)" \t ""} > {XE "education:(see also colleges);@" \t ""} <-- @ sorts >it to top; use "zzz" to sort to bottom > > >OTHER TOPICS >Jan hit almost all the other topics; I have nothing to add. > >I have a list of the rest of Word's fields (like \t for cross >references and \r for ranges); it was something I prepared a long >time ago for a client. Perhaps I'll submit the idea to Key Words >(and other newsletters) for publication. Most of them are useless >anyway. Typical. :-) > >- Seth > >Seth Maislin >Focus Information Services >smaislin@world.std.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:47:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Your government at work I do not rent a private post office box, but I still regard this discussion as useful. The very fact that this thread has gone on for so long and has generated so many comments indicates that many people are reading their e-mail and paying attention. Often the day-to-day concerns of freelance indexers are not discussed at meetings, such as the upcoming ASI annual meeting. Even if they were, the audience would be limited to the people in the room. An issue which impacts on the lives of freelancers, whether it is where you get your mail, your health insurance, your income tax or what to do when your client goes bankrupt, is relevant to at least some of the subscribers of this list server. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:20:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Indexer fees/Author costs On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:44:12 -0400 "Barbara S. Littlewood" writes: > I'm trying to find out the standard publisher's practice regarding >the author-index-royalties situation. A friend wrote a reference = >book for a national publisher and was told that he could not prepare >the index. The publisher said that only freelance indexers "on their >list" could do the job, but that the cost would come out of the >author's royalties. The author was charged what seems a very high >amount--over $4.50/page or $0.95/entry, for an index consisting of >main entries which are place names. > Is there some standard markup between indexer fees and royalty >charges? (There was no packager involved.) Thanks in advance for any >information/enlightenment. > > Barb Littlewood Unfortunately, charging the cost of indexing against an author's royalties is standard operating procedure for American publishers. Usually, the author has the option of creating his or her own index, but as you can imagine, that often results in poor quality indexes which publishers hesitate to reject. I doubt if the publisher is inflating the bill. That would mean that the author is being cheated out of royalties. The amounts cited are not excessive, but may be on the high end of the scale. I've never liked the convention of charging the cost of indexing to royalties. The publisher should pick up the tab, just as they do for proofreading and copyediting. If a book does not generate very much in royalties, the indexer may make more money than the author! Of course, the indexer does not have the ego involvement that the author has. His policy has existed historically and is not likely to change soon. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:49:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Word indexing Seth wrote: I have a list of the rest of Word's fields (like \t for cross references and \r for ranges); it was something I prepared a long time ago for a client. Perhaps I'll submit the idea to Key Words (and other newsletters) for publication. Most of them are useless anyway. Typical. :-) See Word's online help file under "INDEX field" for a complete listing of switches available for the XE field. John Sullivan Stratus Computer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:13:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: ASI Conf.---Dress Code In-Reply-To: <199906020407.XAA28596@c.mx.execpc.com> I certainly agree with what others have said: nice casual. I usually bring along something a little nicer for the reception and/or dinner. I used to bring along a pair of heels . . . and not wear them. The only thing I would add is to bring along a light sweater or jacket that "goes with everything"; sometimes the rooms for meetings and lunches are chilly. Personally, I don't wear jeans to conferences (unless I go out bird watching), because I don't feel comfortable meeting potential clients that way. Cheers, ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:13:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer In-Reply-To: <199906020407.XAA28596@c.mx.execpc.com> >I know that many pro freelance indexers have Masters in Library Science >degrees. I was just curious about the prospects for someone who does not >have such a degree, or degrees and experience in related fields (technical >writing, for example). Would you say that for publishers to take freelance >indexers seriously, an MLS degree is necessary? No. We come from all sorts of backgrounds. My degrees are in philosophy. I should think that anyone with good indexing skills (whether acquired in library school or elsewhere), business skills, and a well-rounded education will do fine. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:27:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Word limitations In-Reply-To: <199906021303.rlaoub.djh.37kbi15@mx7.mindspring.com> At 09:34 AM 6/2/99 -0700, you wrote: >Page numbers also vary according to your target printer -- it is critical >to build the index on the same machine that the piece will be printed from. I'd heard that about DTP programs but not about Word. Seems like that would be causing a lot of problems. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:39:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: Quark Workflow Questions Hello all, I've been contacted by a small publisher who wants me to index a 250 p. book in Quark. I get the feeling they aren't too familiar with Quark indexing and I'm not familiar with what happens at their end except for reading about it. I have a few questions about the normal workflow with a book like this. * Is it common that a publisher will ask you to compile the index? * Would they supply you with master pages and style sheets? Would they ever as you to design them? * If I am asked to compile the index for all the separate chapters, that would involve creating a "book" for them and working from there. What implications would that have, if any, at their end when I send it back? Would they supply me with the book file? * I suspect I need all the fonts used in the book if I am to compile the index. Is this true? Would the publisher normally supply them? * What system resources would I need to compile a 250 page book? Say 8-10 chapters of 1.5M each. Can I do this on a Mac with 64 M Ram do you think? * I believe that Quark for Windows will import Quark for Mac files. Is this true and does it work like it's supposed to? Thanks very much. Keith McQuay Foreword Indexing Services 613-278-0426 http:\\Foreword.pair.com foreword@bigfoot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:33:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Word limitations In-Reply-To: <199906021627.rlb4uc.7n0.37kbi15@mx7.mindspring.com> It's way ugly. It has to do with the target printer, its resolution, and its installed fonts. Those can differ enough to change line breaks, and then page breaks. Watch Word "repaginating" some time - it repaginates before it prints, and repaginates before it builds the index, and if you have a different printer targeted than the one final proofs will be sent from, it can repaginate, build the index, and then when the file goes back on the original machine and repaginates again, the index numbers are wrong. Unless you have hard page breaks in the file, lines will creep onto the next page. And it is a creeping error - it can drive you insane. Some numbers are right, but each chapter's indexing sloooowly goes wrong, as lines start creeping along to the next page. I always tell clients they MUST recompile the index on their machine before sending it to print. Got to, or it may not match what they are sending out. Jan At 04:27 PM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:34 AM 6/2/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Page numbers also vary according to your target printer -- it is critical >>to build the index on the same machine that the piece will be printed from. > >I'd heard that about DTP programs but not about Word. Seems like that >would be causing a lot of problems. > >Dick =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:43:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Your government at work In-Reply-To: <199906021158.rlal5j.ea4.37kbi15.1@mx7.mindspring.com> At 11:56 AM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >For more about the PMB situation an informational website has been started by >irate citizens. >www.postalwatch.org That's exactly what I needed. It summarizes the problem and desciribes legislation already underway to overturn the regulation. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:52:31 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bill Lee Subject: Re: Word limitations In a message dated 6/2/99 1:02:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jancw@WRIGHTINFORMATION.COM writes: << Page numbers also vary according to your target printer -- it is critical to build the index on the same machine that the piece will be printed from. >> AND you also have to be sure you have your Hidden Characters turned off or your imbedded entries can change the paging and throw off the index. Bill Lee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:07:35 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bill Lee Subject: Re: Indexer fees/Author costs In a message dated 6/2/99 1:45:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elinzer@JUNO.COM writes: << Unfortunately, charging the cost of indexing against an author's royalties is standard operating procedure for American publishers. >> The textbook publisher I do most of my work with does not charge this to the authors. Personally, I think it's unscrupulous to charge something to the author that the author was willing to provide personally for free. It's a different matter if it is an expense that the author insists on against the wishes of the publisher, such as extravagant art, syndicated cartoons, etc. But if you charge the author for the index preparation, next you'll charge the composition, and then perhaps the paper and ink. Do these same publishers charge the authors for cover art, table on contents, copyright page? Bill Lee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:19:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bill Lee Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer In a message dated 6/2/99 3:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, indexer@EXECPC.COM writes: << My degrees are in philosophy. I should think that anyone with good indexing skills (whether acquired in library school or elsewhere), business skills, and a well-rounded education will do fine. >> I think there's such a thing as an indexer-mentality too. When I was a teenager I used to catalog and index certain books and magazines I collected. And I think a lot of indexers are probably also secret counters (you know, you can't help yourself counting the steps as you walk up them, or the items you place in the grocery cart, or incidences of certain things that interest you. Non-counters of course look quizzically at you if you describe this.). And if you are a frequent user of indexes and have noticed when an index is especially good or bad, I think you are very close to already being an indexer. You just need to learn some of the mechanics. Of course some very specialized kinds of indexes do need more education than the average, nontechnical index. Bill Lee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:50:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer Bill wrote: > I think there's such a thing as an indexer-mentality too. When I was a > teenager I used to catalog and index certain books and magazines I > collected. > And I think a lot of indexers are probably also secret counters (you > know, > you can't help yourself counting the steps as you walk up them, or the > items > you place in the grocery cart, or incidences of certain things that > interest > you. Non-counters of course look quizzically at you if you describe > this.). ... > Bill Lee > This falls right into the "Are You an Indexer?" question of, "Do you alphabetize your spice rack?" Also, do you alphabetize and/or categorize your record/cd collection? Books? I, too have been doing this since I was a child. This is one of the few professions where you can get paid for being anal! :-) -- Sharon W. x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:04:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Background education for an indexer Many of us who are professional indexers don't have MLS degrees. That is but one approach/entry point to indexing. For instance, I learned to index on the job, while working for a major publishing house. Others are technical writers who had to learn indexing as part of their job duties. It is the ability to turn out a high-quality product in a timely fashion that will make a successful indexer. Yes, there is some innate "native ability", talent .... call it what you will .... a certain analytical mindset needed. And there is specific skills training that you can take also. But the MLS is certainly not necessary. My experience is that your clients will not care whether you have the MLS or not. It is an academic credential that is nice to have, like many others, but it is not necessary to go ahead and take the degree if you think indexing is where you will want to end up. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:31:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Neil Leslie Subject: Yet Another Question From a Pre-Newbie Greetings, O Learned and August Body of Indexers, Many thanks to those of you who responded to my query about the USDA indexing courses. I have another question if you will bear with me: about how long would you estimate it takes to complete the USDA basic indexing course? I realize that the course is taught via correspondence, so the time requirements may vary according to the student's circumstances: requirements of one's "real" job, family obligations, illness, etc. I recently finished graduate school and am searching for employment as a librarian. I was just wondering about a general ballpark figure for finishing this course. A month? Three months? Six months? I would appreciate whatever information and insight you are willing to share. Thanks for all your help. Best regards, Neil Leslie (NiallMor@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:43:08 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: On Indexing, Aptitude and Training All - Back in November 1997 some one posted a query on Index-L, asking if he had the requisite aptitude and skill to become a successful indexer. I posted a reply called "A Brief, Irreverent Note on Indexing." The recent thread on prerequisite education for indexers prompts me to repost that message here. Probably not too wide of the mark. For those of you who remember the original, please forgive the repetition... Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: A brief, Irreverent Note on Indexing Date: 10/22/97 Hi, all - Recently, a not-quite-newly-hatched indexer wrote to me expressing anxiety at having to change professions at a time not of his choosing, and serious apprehension as to whether he possessed the requisite skills to be a successful freelance indexer. I cannot predict his future, but some thoughts I had regarding his dilemma might be helpful to others (no flames, please). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear XXX - "No, you're not blathering. Changing professions is 'way up there on the hierarchy of stressful events. You'd be pretty unusual if you didn't feel some significant uncertainty and anxiety. But although indexing is a creative act, and often is extremely demanding and difficult, it also is not black magic or unreachable by ordinary mortals. Let's try to get some perspective on this. Until now, and probably into the near future (the Internet notwithstanding), books have encompassed the entire range of human knowledge and endeavor. This covers a lot of territory, and sometimes the landscape is rocky and difficult to traverse. But despite this, most indexing is pretty much down-to-earth, commonsensical stuff. Don't let the academic discussions on Index-L discourage you. If you can understand the text, indexing largely is a matter of saying to yourself' "Ah! so that's what he's talking about! Well, it's on page 35. Hmmnnn. Looks important. Better make an entry for it. It's also on page 47. OK. Now, there's this stuff that relates to it on page 98. Guess I need a cross-reference telling the reader to look there also. Let's see, is this a useful term?" Now, that's not so hard, is it? The rest is just details. (Of course, as they say, God is in the details. Also one's paycheck.) But the downside of this seductively simple image is that some people simply cannot index. Just as there are people who cannot carry a tune in a wheelbarrow, people who are tone-deaf, I believe that there are people who are "word-deaf". These people might be internationally-renowned subject experts, but they simply have no feeling for the orderly arrangement of words. They think in visual images and express themselves in monosyllabic grunts. Put them in a laboratory and they will earn the Nobel Prize. They will win the Congressional Medal of Honor, climb K2 without oxygen, and find the Lost Ark. But words are not their thing. These people cannot index. Please understand that I am not trivializing indexing. As Einstein said: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Many books are so complex that they require the greatest knowledge, skill and experience to index successfully. This is borne home most dramatically when one is facing an intractable, incoherent, multi-authored, redundant text, late at night, short on deadline and long on grief, and wondering how to find the end of that tangled ball of yarn. There is no equation to solve this. How-to-index books don't help here. This is when we reach back for all our strength and skill, grit our teeth, put on the coffee pot, unwrap the emergency chocolate, and just get on with it! That is the loneliness of the long-distance indexer! But most books are not like that. The publishing world is awash in ordinary, plain-vanilla, amiable texts. And these are not all that difficult to index. So take heart! Despite the tendency of some to invoke Orthodoxy, for any given text there is no one perfect, optimum, God-given index. That is what makes indexing fun - - the opportunity to Do It Our Way! I sometimes don't know if we are a Happy Band of Brothers (and Sisters) or a Confederation of Loonies, but indexing still remains very much a personal thing. It is Our Affair, and that's just wonderful! I believe that the expression is "Cosa Nostra"... Remember, please, that the indexer is the reader's ombudsman. After the text has been set, and the production schedule fixed, only the indexer is left to represent the reader's interests. The indexer is the pilot who helps the reader navigate the uncharted sea of the text. In a 900-page book this is not trivial. In my view, only two fundamental criteria mark a good index: 1) Technical accuracy (i.e., the index should accurately reflect the text), and 2) The index must anticipate the reader's points of view (i.e., the entries should be useful to the average reader asking a question or looking for information). It does not matter if one is indexing high-school-level texts on American History or esoteric post-graduate texts on Cosmology, the indexer must anticipate, and reflect, the reader's point of view. The indexer must think: If I were the reader, what would I be looking for, and how would I structure the question? That is, what words and concepts would the reader likely use to ask the question? That is where the art lies. Getting the page numbers right helps, too... As I have said before, keep in mind that publishing is not like 84 Charing Cross Road. Old-world craftsmanship still is valued, but in fewer and fewer venues, and at less and less cost. Publishing is a business, and a murderously difficult one at that. Increasingly, publishers are not handling book production in-house. So indexers who have painstakingly built up excellent working relationships with publishers and editors suddenly find themselves working, if at all, for unknown packagers. We get swept up in this pressure cooker and it is reflected in our rates, in our deadlines, and in our levels of stress. Most (not all) publishers only want a workable (i.e., adequate) index at the lowest cost in the least time. And even those publishers who do want high quality often can't offer correspondingly generous deadlines. Doesn't give us much slack to work with. But that's the business. And if you say "Well, that hasn't happened to me!", I can only respond by saying "Wait a bit..." Note, though, that there always are exceptions. So a good deal of the refinement of detail and wonderful precision of cross-posting that you see discussed on Index-L is relevant mostly to certain niche disciplines, but less so to the mainstream of what I call "commodity indexing". In a sense it is the choir preaching to itself. All this arguing about refinement of entries would be more broadly relevant if it were mainstream publishers telling us what they wanted (and would pay for), and not indexers talking to each other. My point is not that these discussions aren't useful and valid, they certainly are. I have learned a geat deal from them. I sincerely hope that they continue, world without end. My point is that a beginning indexer must not be intimidated by these technical discussions and feel overwhelmed and defeated before she/he even starts. Ah, well. Let me end this by saying that the most important thing is Simply Do It! We all (at least, mostly all) had identical anxieties when we started. Very few of us sprang, like Athena, fully-armed from Zeus' brow. We all started somewhere, made our mistakes, got cocky, and then experienced the embarrassment of reviewing what we did a few months ago and saying "OmiGod! Did I do that?" As I said a few years ago, indexers are wonderful in that they willingly and freely help each other. I have never known an indexer to ask for help and be ignored. We don't abandon colleagues who are in trouble. Like the U.S. Marines, we bring out our wounded. I hope this never changes. There are worse things to do in this raggedy life than indexing. So, give it a shot! Good Luck! Bob Richardson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:44:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Field Subject: Re: Yet Another Question From a Pre-Newbie Neil, I'm about a month away from finishing the course, and I will answer your question this way: It depends on your instructor, and your free time. It's taken me the entire year allotted to complete the course, but that includes a three-month delay at the beginning when my first instructor didn't respond after I sent in Lesson 1. After I called USDA and requested and was assigned a new instructor, things moved along very quickly. (My new instructor is Kari Kells-and she is awesome on turnaround time, even tho' she has many many students.) In regards to your freetime, I work a full-time job but have minimal family responsibilities (unless you count my kitties-and I do :-)), so it's probably been easier for me than for others with jobs and kids, etc. Bottom line: I'd say plan on a full year, but remember that you can do other things to get your business going while waiting for lessons to be returned, such as practice, research publishers, develop marketing materials, etc. Good luck, and-may I propose a new motto when dealing with USDA-"Be persistent." Karen Technical Writer, Editor, and Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:45:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Becky & Bob Hornyak Subject: Re: Yet Another Question From a Pre-Newbie Re: length of time to complete USDA Basic Indexing Course I would count on a year. That's how long it took me. The lessons build on each other, and it is recommended that you not send in some of them until you have received the others back. Becky Hornyak, Indexer bhornyak@iquest.net -----Original Message----- From: Neil Leslie To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 5:34 PM Subject: Yet Another Question From a Pre-Newbie >Greetings, O Learned and August Body of Indexers, > >Many thanks to those of you who responded to my query about the USDA indexing >courses. I have another question if you will bear with me: about how long >would you estimate it takes to complete the USDA basic indexing course? I >realize that the course is taught via correspondence, so the time >requirements may vary according to the student's circumstances: requirements >of one's "real" job, family obligations, illness, etc. I recently finished >graduate school and am searching for employment as a librarian. I was just >wondering about a general ballpark figure for finishing this course. A >month? Three months? Six months? I would appreciate whatever information and >insight you are willing to share. Thanks for all your help. > >Best regards, >Neil Leslie >(NiallMor@aol.com) > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:03:29 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: Word For Word Indexing and Editing Services Subject: Re: Yet Another Question From a Pre-Newbie Karen Field wrote: > > > Bottom line: I'd say plan on a full year, but remember that you can do other > things to get your business going while waiting for lessons to be returned, > such as practice, research publishers, develop marketing materials, etc. > I think it's important to mention that the USDA course is not likely to be your only education opportunity in indexing; although it may be your only formal instruction. In addition, you should attend local ASI chapter events, participate (as you are) on Index-L, join other students on indexstudents (just a plug/reminder for those interested in discussing indexer education -- http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/indexstudents), read other books on indexing, and practice (as Karen mentioned). These can all occur while you are taking the USDA course. If you are very serious about making this business successful, you should do the other things that Karen mentions above. It will take lots of preparation and forethought to launch a business. In addition to acquiring indexing skills, you'll need to develop business skills as well. The list of things to do goes on and on. The more you do, the more likely you are to be successful. p.s. It's possible to finish in 6 or 7 months, but the extra few months may be worth taking./Dan -- ============================= Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:18:18 +0800 Reply-To: Ling Heang Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ling Heang Subject: Agterms Thesaurus AGTERMS THESAURUS SURVEY In August, 1999 the new thesaurus, Agterms Thesaurus for Australian Agricultural Extension Information (Agterms) will be launched. The Information Management team at the Kondinin Group, Ruth McIntyre and Ling Heang, have developed this thesaurus, with funding from the Rural Industries Research and Development Corporation (RIRDC), and participation by a wide range of information specialists. The Agterms thesaurus is a controlled vocabulary of keywords to be used to describe Australian agricultural extension information. Agterms is intended to be used in conjunction with the CAB Thesaurus, published by CAB International. With the publishing of Agterms Australia will have a national thesaurus of agricultural extension terms being made available to all information professionals for the first time. Agterms will have a variety of uses for information professionals - subject cataloguing, indexing, and metatagging electronic material including websites. As agricultural commodities, technology and farming practices are constantly developing, Agterms must be flexible and have a facility to be readily updated. It is proposed that Agterms be available in print form, and on disc. However before going ahead with the printing of Agterms this survey is being sent to as many of its potential users as possible to assist with identifying the number of copies that will be required, and the formats that would be most appropriate. It would be most appreciated if you would complete the following survey and return it by e-mail or fax. If you wish to discuss Agterms and the survey with anyone, please contact Ling Heang on 2nd - 4th June, or Ruth McIntyre on 8th - 11th June (Monday 7th is a public holiday in WA) on 1800 677 761 (Australia) or 61-8-9478 3343. AGTERMS THESAURUS SURVEY Your name: ____________________________________________ Position: ____________________________________________ Organisation: ____________________________________________ Address ____________________________________________ ________________________________P/code________ e-mail: ____________________________________________ Tel: ________________________ Fax: _____________________ Please indicate your answers to this survey with a tick. 1 The following uses have been suggested for the new Agterms thesaurus. Please indicate for which purpose you would be purchasing Agterms. a Cataloguing library material. - b Indexing - c Metadata on material on intranets and the internet - d Other__________________ ____________________[PARA] - 2 There is an e-mail discussion group of participants in the current development of Agterms. Would you like to join that group?[PARA] Yes - No - 3 What is your preferred format for the printed version of Agterms? a Bound soft cover book, with update to be published at an indefinite date.[PARA] - b Loose-leaf file with quarterly updates, to be supplied on annual subscription.[PARA] - 4 As a buyer of a print copy, would you like to purchase Agterms on disc a t a nominal extra charge?[PARA] Yes - No - 5 In which format would you want Agterms on disc? a PDF - b Microsoft Word 7 - c Other:_________________________________________________[PARA] - 6 Do you anticipate requiring training on the application of Agterms?[PARA ] Yes - No - 7 How many print copies of Agterms is your organisation likely to purchase[PARA] ____copies 8 How many user licences are you likely to require for Agterms on disc?[PARA] ____ licences 9 How much are you prepared to pay for an annual subscription to Agterms i n loose-leaf format with quarterly updates?[PARA] $______ You will be given an opportunity to pre-order Agterms Thesaurus for Australian Agricultural Extension Information. Please return this survey to Ruth McIntyre at Kondinin Group by post or Free Fax by 11 June Ruth McIntyre[PARA]Kondinin Group[PARA]PO Box 913[PARA]CLOVERDALE WA Australia 6105 Free Fax: 1800 657 509[PARA]Or Fax: 61-8-9479 7509[PARA]ruth@kondinin.com.au[PARA][PARA] ______________________________ Ling Heang Indexer Kondinin Group PO Box 913 Cloverdale WA 6105 Australia Tel: 61-8-9478 3343 Fax: 61-8-9479 7509 Email: ling@kondinin.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:24:46 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Author feedback Hi all- I recently received a note from the author whose book I indexed last month. Since indexers usually don't receive much feedback, I wanted to share these comments with all of you: > "The eagle has landed." The MS and index have arrived safely. Many, >many thanks again for all of your hard work, initiative and persistence. >I am deeply appreciative.... > This particular "eagle" landed in Holland and the editor there sent back word (forwarded with the author's note to me) that the page proofs and index were "perfect" (his word). That kind of praise is not easily come by and more than balances out the bad moments. Enjoy Indy! Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:26:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melissa Bodeau Subject: another great index! I suppose an "occupational hazard" of doing some indexing at work is that I've started to look more closely at the indexes in the books I read for fun (or to review). I recently finished "All Too Human" by George Stephanopoulos, and was thoroughly impressed with the index. Unfortunately, I didn't have space to mention it in the review I wrote. MJB ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:54:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: larryNOSPAMh@MILLCOMM.COM Subject: Re: Your government at work This is for private mailbox users and privacy advocates. Others can delete without reading further. The postal regulation affecting private mailboxes such as Mailboxes Etc. not only has a cost impact on small business people, including many indexers, but is a major attack on privacy, especially for people for whom privacy is a safety issue. The new regulation requires companies providing private mailboxes to copy a photo ID and collect the home address, home phone number and a "traceable ID number" for the box user. This information must be provided to ANYONE WHO ASKS. People such as domestic violence survivors, women being stalked, and witnesses under threat from released criminals can now be tracked down. A U.S. House resolution (H.R. 55) has been introduced to prevent the USPS from enforcing the new regulation because of its privacy impact, but it has not received floor action and there is no similar move in the Senate. The private information must be collected by June 24, 1999, so quick action is essential. The Postal Watch web site was started by a small business owner to collect information about the regulation, its impact, and the legislative status of the HR resolution. It also shows steps you should take to try to get Congress to reverse this regulation. I don't know anything about the person behind this site, but the information on the web site is useful. http://www.postalwatch.org/ Spend a few minutes of the time you would need to spend contacting clients with your new address, to try to stop this ridiculous and dangerous regulation. Regards, Larry Harrison [remove NOSPAM from reply address to email me directly] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:12:32 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: contextcomm@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Quark Workflow Questions Keith, I'm certainly no expert but I might be able to help a little. First, though, do you know why the company wants an embedded index in the first place? You might want to feel them out on this... perhaps a stand-alone index would suit them just fine but they don't know any better. > * Is it common that a publisher will ask you to compile the index? As long as they know they can't make pagination changes after you compile and submit the index, there's no reason why you shouldn't do it for them. I don't know if this is common, though. > * Would they supply you with master pages and style sheets? Would they ever as you to design them? The master pages and style sheets are part of the Quark files. The designer who created the book layout would have created the master pages and style sheets. Unless you mean any new styles needed for the index itself... I think the publisher would take care of that after the index is compiled. > * If I am asked to compile the index for all the separate chapters, that > would involve creating a "book" for them and working from there. What > implications would that have, if any, at their end when I send it back? You're right about having to create a "book" from all the chapters in Quark. If *you* compile the index, the editor can treat the chapters as unlinked entities again post- indexing. But, if the editor wants to make additionl changes after you embed the index tags and *then* compile the index at the last minute (which I assume would be the case), then the chapters would have to stay linked in "book" format. * I suspect I need all the fonts used in the book if I am to compile the > index. Is this true? Would the publisher normally supply them? Yes, you'd need at least the screen fonts to display the document properly. The publisher would have no choice but to send them to you. > * What system resources would I need to compile a 250 page book? Say 8-10 > chapters of 1.5M each. Can I do this on a Mac with 64 M Ram do you think? 64 MB is plenty, but I think processor speed would also be a concern. If you have a late-model PowerPC or a G3 you'll be fine. > * I believe that Quark for Windows will import Quark for Mac files. Is this > true and does it work like it's supposed to? I've never tried but I recall seeing some info. concerning cross-platform issues on the Quark website (quark.com). Hope some of this helps. Anne ------------- Anne Day, Indexer ConTEXY Communications Holland, Pennsylvania ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:17:18 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: Word For Word Indexing and Editing Services Subject: Book Packagers I just wanted to share this tidbit about my experience this morning with a book packager. She called me to get some input on bidding a job. She wanted my thoughts on the index portion of it. After discussing it, I suggested a range. Knowing the client (an insurance company), and their usual budgets, she suggested politely that we could perhaps go a little higher on this component. I was pleasantly surprised and pleased that she kept my interests in mind. She was very professional on the last project, and I look forward to working with her again. Since we discussed packagers last month, I thought this was relevant./Dan -- ============================= Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:08:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeanne Moody Subject: Re: MultiTes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BEAEB5.33A33480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jessie: I have been happily using MultiTes for several years for journal indexes where thesaurus development was part of the process. I also have had on ongoing job doing annual indexes for a given journal. The agreement is pretty much year by year and at one time there was talk of a cumulation. I found it easiest to put all the terms & cross-refs into MultiTes so I wouldn't have to reconstruct my thinking each year. -----Original Message----- From: M. Jessie Barczak To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:16 AM Subject: MultiTes >Anyone have experience with this thesaurus software package? > > >MultiTes > >http://www.multites.com > > >Many thanks, > > >M. J. Barczak > >Washington, D.C. > >"The bane of my existence is doing things that I know the >computer could do for me." > > > >Dan Connolly, "The XML Revolution" (1 Oct. 1998) > ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BEAEB5.33A33480 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Jeanne C. Moody.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jeanne C. Moody.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Moody;Jeanne;C. FN:Jeanne C. Moody ORG:Beaver Wood Associates TEL;WORK;VOICE:603-835-7900 TEL;WORK;FAX:603-835-6279 ADR;WORK:;;P.O. Box 290;Alstead Center;NH;03602 LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:P.O. Box 290=0D=0AAlstead Center, NH 03602 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jcmoody@top.monad.net REV:19990604T220808Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BEAEB5.33A33480-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:14:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Julia B. Marshall" Subject: Business doldrums Hi all, A few months ago, I left the security of my library job to pursue freelancing full time. I had been doing steady business for about six months with indexing and felt that if I wanted to go further with it I needed to pursue it full time. It's been about three months now and I've only had one indexing job the whole time. Yes I've been contacting publishers and sending out resumes. I've contacted people who I knew were working on books. No go. Is there anyone else having the business doldrums this spring and what are you doing about it? Please reply directly to me not to the list as I am currently not receiving Index-L at this time. Thanks. Regards Julia Marshall Marshall Indexing Services 301-585-8757 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:53:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Reposting of query re: indexing software glitch On Wednesday, June 2, Jane Lyle, a managing editor at Indiana University Press, posted the following notice on the COPYEDITING-L listserver. With her permission, I am reposting it on INDEX-L. Please reply to Jane (jlyle@indiana.edu), not to me, nor to INDEX-L: From: "J. Lyle" To: COPYEDITING-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:29:05 -0500 Subject: [CE-L] TOOLS: Indexing software glitch? > I would like some feedback from the indexers on > this list. Recently we've had a few indexes (from > different indexers) in which the page numbers for > some entries listed the arabic-numbered pages > first, followed by the roman-numbered pages: > > Women's right movement, 3, 7, 25, x, xiv-xv > > Because this is such a recent occurrence, and > because I've now seen it at least three times > within maybe six weeks, I'm guessing that it's > being caused by some type of indexing software > that doesn't know what to do with roman > numerals. It doesn't surprise me that the indexers > miss seeing (and thus moving) some of these > misplaced page numbers, because our editors and > proofreaders miss some of them, too. We end up > making corrections through two or three passes of > index proof because the wrongly ordered pages > aren't spotted the first time around; they seem to > be easy to look past. > > Can anyone shed any light on this new problem? > Indexers, if you've experienced it with your > software, have you found a way around it? > > Jane Lyle > Indiana University Press > jlyle@indiana.edu Reposted by Elliot Linzer ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:28:51 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Griffiths Subject: Re: Business doldrums Julie, I'm sorry, I can't offer you words of advice or consolation. Only to say that I'm in the same boat as you are, and if you do discover anything useful I'd be very glad if you could let me know about it too. I'm trying to rack my brains as to anything I can do or tell you. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Julia B. Marshall To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: 04 June 1999 16:12 Subject: Business doldrums >Hi all, > A few months ago, I left the security of my library job to >pursue freelancing full time. I had been doing steady business for about >six months with indexing and felt that if I wanted to go further with it >I needed to pursue it full time. It's been about three months now and >I've only had one indexing job the whole time. Yes I've been contacting >publishers and sending out resumes. I've contacted people who I knew were >working on books. No go. Is there anyone else having the business >doldrums this spring and what are you doing about it? Please reply >directly to me not to the list as I am currently not receiving Index-L at >this time. Thanks. > >Regards >Julia Marshall >Marshall Indexing Services >301-585-8757 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:43:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: Reposting of query re: indexing software glitch On 6/4/1999 9:53 AM Elliot Linzer wrote (in part): >> I would like some feedback from the indexers on >> this list. Recently we've had a few indexes (from >> different indexers) in which the page numbers for >> some entries listed the arabic-numbered pages >> first, followed by the roman-numbered pages: >> >> Women's right movement, 3, 7, 25, x, xiv-xv As I'm sure you'll hear more than once: Cindex allows the indexer to sort Roman-numbered pages before or after Arabic-numbered pages. It also allows for type precedence among letters and months. I was reminded of the option on a book I just completed which had appendices. I affixed the appendix letter to the page number (A23-25, for example), checked to make sure that the entries were sorting to the end and went on. When I got to appendix C, they suddenly started sorting to the front.... because Cindex took the letter C as a Roman numeral. I adjusted that and went on my way. Craig Brown ===================================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing http://www.i1.net/~lastword (314)352-9094 fax: (314)481-9254 ===================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:58:35 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Reposting of query re: indexing software glitch Yes, these are not software glitches but rather errors in using the software. Either the indexer doesn't know how to get the Roman and other combination page locators to sort in the right places, or the indexer has not been careful to check them and they are inadvertently going into an incorrect location. Pointing out the error to the indexer should correct the problem. It is not the software's fault. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:50:26 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yves_Fran=E7ois_Jeaurond?= Subject: Re: Word division and typesetting In-Reply-To: <199905241815.OAA14551@mag1.magmacom.com> Hi. This is not a flame, Fred Leise. Yet we are no longer dealing with manuscript ( as a final deliverable), nor with old books. The state of the art has progressed. Check out Robert Bringhurst's opinion in his lovely "The Elements of Typographic Style" (Hartley & Marks, 1996) for an opinion that markedly differs . Cheers, Yves jingting@magma.ca ---------- > > Actually, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with hyphen stacks. In = both > manuscripts and early printed books, there are often rows of hyphens = at the > ends of lines. What is most important for the reader is consistent (and > generally tight) word spacing. So if it takes a string of end-of-line = hyphens > to do that, that's OK. In fact, one of the give-aways of computerized > typesetting is lines with extra-wide word and letterspacing that no-one= has > bothered to correct with the insertion of a hyphen in the following wor= d. And > such poorly spaced lines really make for difficult reading. > > Fred Leise > Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services > > In a message dated 99-05-24 13:22:50 EDT, prider@electriciti.com writes= : > > > Laura's rules are the rules I learned (divide *after* single-letter > > syllable. But, I know of no publisher or typesetter who wants to fol= low > > that rule. I find that hyphen stacks of 3-in-a-row are acceptable. = I pity > > the readers. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:52:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Indy weather Hi! Can someone who lives in Indianapolis fill us in on the current temperatures? I don't know whether to pack turtlenecks, t-shirts, or both (and now you know about my wardrobe!). Thanks in advance-- Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:04:45 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Spern Subject: Re: Indy weather RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE: www.weather.com 5-day forecast for Indianapolis-Eagle Creek Airpark, IN and vicinity last updated at 10:06 am EST SUN Partly Cloudy hi 93=B0 MON Isolated T-Storms lo 72=B0 hi 90=B0 TUES Partly Cloudy lo 68=B0 hi 93=B0 WED Partly Cloudy lo 67=B0 hi 92=B0 THURS Partly Cloudy lo 72=B0 hi 88=B0 Looks like t-shirt weather!!! Karen Spern kspern@bestweb.net ahimsamedia@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:17:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Becky & Bob Hornyak Subject: Re: Indy weather Do Mi and others heading to Indy: According to the paper, 'Summer is here.' The forecast is for hot and humid weather. The temperatures are supposed to be in the high eighties to ninety at least through Monday. Lows in the mid-60's. It is very humid today. That may continue for several more days. Once the humidity breaks, it is still supposed to be in the low to mid-80's with lows in the mid-60's. Becky Hornyak, Indexer bhornyak@iquest.net -----Original Message----- From: DStaub11@AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 10:53 AM Subject: Indy weather >Hi! Can someone who lives in Indianapolis fill us in on the current >temperatures? I don't know whether to pack turtlenecks, t-shirts, or both >(and now you know about my wardrobe!). > >Thanks in advance-- > >Do Mi > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:24:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Timothy Griffin Subject: Re: Indy weather It is very muggy here now, which is typical for us. Loose clothing is a must, as well as an umbrella, naturally. We've been getting hit with thunderstorms a lot lately, which is also typical for the time of year. Downtown Indy can be painfully hot, IMHO, so I usually sport shorts and sandals. I know the dress standards have been addressed here in the last few weeks, and everyone seems right on the mark. Loose, light clothes, shoes you can "breathe" in, and something to drink close at hand is all you really need outside. Things are a bit hectic around here right now, with the NBA playoffs (go Pacers!), so for those of you driving in or renting a car at the airport, expect heavy traffic at times. In a message dated 6/6/99 4:04:24 PM, kspern@BESTWEB.NET writes: << RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE: www.weather.com 5-day forecast for Indianapolis-Eagle Creek Airpark, IN and vicinity last updated at 10:06 am EST SUN Partly Cloudy hi 93=B0 MON Isolated T-Storms lo 72=B0 hi 90=B0 TUES Partly Cloudy lo 68=B0 hi 93=B0 WED Partly Cloudy lo 67=B0 hi 92=B0 THURS Partly Cloudy lo 72=B0 hi 88=B0 Looks like t-shirt weather!!! Karen Spern kspern@bestweb.net ahimsamedia@hotmail.com >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:09:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Re: Business doldrums Although I'm not a freelance indexer, and don't know if this applies in book publishing, I do know that traditionally, there is a slump in the printing industry during the summer months in the US. FWIW. Elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:13:28 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Setting for no mail Hi! Remember that email you get when you first subscribe to this list? The one that you're supposed to keep forever and never lose? Guess what? Lost it! Can someone please remind me how I go about setting up to hold all messages for a while? I'm in the process of moving from North Carolina to Hawaii, and I will be without email access for the next 6 weeks. Thanks! Bonnie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:27:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: FW: File: "LISTSERV REFCARD" Here, Bonnie. -- Sharon W. Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB > [SMTP:LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 10:59 AM > To: Wright, Sharon F. > Subject: File: "LISTSERV REFCARD" > > LISTSERV System Reference Library, release 1.8a > ----------------------------------------------- > Copyright L-Soft international, 1986-1993 > > ************************************************************ > * * > * LISTSERV command reference cards: * > * * > *-> LISTSERV REFCARD: General user commands * > * LISTOWNR REFCARD: List and file management commands * > * LISTMAST REFCARD: Commands for the LISTSERV maintainer * > * * > ************************************************************ > > Commands are listed in alphabetical order, with the minimum acceptable > abbreviation in capital letters. Angle brackets are used to indicate > optional parameters. All commands which return a file accept an optional > 'F=fformat' keyword (without the quotes) that lets you select the format > in which you want the file sent; the default format is normally > appropriate in all cases. Some esoteric, historical or seldom-used > commands and options have been omitted. > > List subscription commands (from most to least important) > --------------------------------------------------------- > SUBscribe listname Subscribe to a list, or > change > your name if already > subscribed > > SIGNOFF Remove yourself: > listname - From the specified list > * - From all lists on that > server > * (NETWIDE - From all lists in the > network > > SET listname options Alter your subscription > options: > ACK/NOACK/MSGack -> Acknowledgements for > postings > CONCEAL/NOCONCEAL -> Hide yourself from > REVIEW > Files/NOFiles -> Toggle receipt of > non-mail > files from the list > Mail/NOMail -> Toggle receipt of mail > DIGests/INDex -> Ask for digests or > message > indexes rather than > getting > messages as they are > posted > REPro/NOREPro -> Copy of your own > postings? > TOPICS: ALL -> Select topics you are > <+/->topicname subscribed to > (add/remove > one or replace entire > list) > > Options for mail headers of incoming postings (choose one): > FULLhdr or FULLBsmtp -> "Full" mail headers > IETFhdr -> Internet-style headers > SHORThdr or SHORTBsmtp -> Short (default) headers > DUALhdr -> Dual headers, useful > with PC > or Mac mail programs > > CONFIRM listname1 > Confirm your subscription > (when LISTSERV requests it) > > Other list-related commands > --------------------------- > INDex listname Sends a directory of > available > archive files for the list, > if > postings are archived > > Lists