Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9907C" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:17:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Unnumbered pages In-Reply-To: <199907150403.XAA24679@a.mx.execpc.com> >I'm working on a book which has about 15 pages of color photos on >consecutive unnumbered pages in the middle of the book. They are >referenced in the fore matter, so the determined reader will find a >reference to them. However, since I'm already indexing other photos and >figures in the book, I'd like to find a way to include these in the >index. I'll eventually discuss this with the editor, but in the meantime >wonder if anyone has any clever suggestions for a substitute page number, >preferably one that somehow mentions the pages between which they are >located. > If they don't have page numbers but do have plate numbers, you can use that: Mount Rushmore, plate 3 If they don't even have plate numbers but they're clumped together rather than scattered, you can do this: Mount Rushmore, color plates If they're scattered, I wonder if the editor would consider letting you add a dummy letter after the preceding page, which you could explain in a head note: Mount Rushmore, 33a Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:18:32 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: help request Does anyone have a reference with the first name of President Suharto of Indonesia?? From looking at 10 years of newspaper archives, (online) I'm beginning to think his first name is "President". Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:38:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: help request On 7/15/1999 10:18 AM Sharon Hughes wrote (in part): >Does anyone have a reference with the first name of President Suharto of >Indonesia?? From looking at 10 years of newspaper archives, (online) I'm >beginning to think his first name is "President". Suharto and Sukarno both adopted a single name. hth, Craig Brown The Last Word Indexing Services (314) 352-9094 lastword@i1.net www.i1.net/~lastword ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:44:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ilana Kingsley Subject: Problem Client... In-Reply-To: I'm working on a *has to have this now* index for one of my "problem clients". I'm having difficuly with the page constraints, he emailed me this... "..Also, the publisher doesn't like big indexes and has cut every index we've provided.." Gee, doesn't this make me feel like all the hard work I'm putting into these indexes is for nothing. Grrrr.... --Ilana ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:45:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Re: help request I think you're right. Info Please's article on him simply uses Suharto: http://www.infoplease.com/ce5/CE050023.html I've seen Sukarno as Ahmed Sukarno, but Suharto looks like the full name. Diane Sharon Hughes wrote: > Does anyone have a reference with the first name of President Suharto of > Indonesia?? From looking at 10 years of newspaper archives, (online) I'm > beginning to think his first name is "President". > Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:52:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Crowley Subject: Re: help request In-Reply-To: <19990715153005.OSEA1382416@listserv.cuny.edu> At 11:18 AM 7/15/99 -0400, Sharon Hughes wrote: >Does anyone have a reference with the first name of President Suharto of >Indonesia?? From looking at 10 years of newspaper archives, (online) I'm >beginning to think his first name is "President". > Sharon Hi Sharon! I'm a cataloger, lurking on this list because I am interested in trying indexing some day. I am not sure of how you would do it in indexing, but in cataloging, we would simply use Soeharto, 1921-. (I suppose in indexing, you would only use Soeharto -- perhaps with cross-references.) I am sending you part of his cataloging authority record, so you can see the cross-references that are used in cataloging (the 400 tags -- lines 5,6,7). Line 8 is a note, showing when he was President. Lines 9 and 10 are more explanations with publications, in which his name was used as an authorized heading. Hope this is helpful to you! Julie * * * * * Beginning of record displayed. AUTH pn "SUHARTO 1921" Record 1 of 1 LC/NACO - NAME ARN: 116076 4 100 00 Soeharto, 1921- 5 400 00 Suharto, 1921- 6 400 10 Soeharto, Muhammad, 1921- 7 400 00 Haji Muhammad Soeharto, 1921- 8 510 10 Indonesia. President (1967-1998 : Soeharto) 9 670 Selintas riwajat Djendral Soeharto, 1967. 10 670 Perjalaman ibadah haji Pak Harto, 1993: t.p. Haji Pak Harto) p. 176 (Haji Muhammad Soeharto) Julie Moore Crowley Cataloger Stetson University College of Law 1401 61st St. S. St. Petersburg, FL 33707 727-562-7829; FAX: 727-345-8973 crowley@law.stetson.edu "Remember that you become what you practice most. You can choose to bring forth in yourself qualities of compassion, patience, kindness, humility, and peace through what you practice." -- Don't sweat the small stuff -- and it's all small stuff / by Richard Carlson. * * * Cataloging Rules!!! * * * ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:02:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: help request For what it is worth: Chambers Biographical Dictionary has him as Suharto or Soeharto, Thojib. Sukarno is given also as Soekarno, Achmad, known as Bung Karno. Cynthia At 11:18 AM 7/15/99 EDT, Sharon Hughes wrote: >Does anyone have a reference with the first name of President Suharto of >Indonesia?? From looking at 10 years of newspaper archives, (online) I'm >beginning to think his first name is "President". > Sharon > > ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services Specialties: Food History, Nutrition and Foods, Cookbooks, Food Writing cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ "When we no longer have good cooking in the world, we will have no literature, nor high and sharp intelligence, nor friendly gatherings, no social harmony." --Careme ****************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:41:07 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: help request Thanks everyone. You are Great!! The author stuck with the single name, I will too. sharon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:53:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: news: Postal Service tests online sales An interesting development, with pretty high fees. LOS ANGELES (AP) - The U.S. Postal Service plans to allow customers to buy stamps over the Internet and print them directly onto envelopes and mailing labels in a campaign to increase sales among small businesses. PC Postage marks the Postal Service's first big step into electronic commerce. The program is being tested by a select number of small businesses in California and the Washington, D.C., area. It could be available nationwide by the end of summer, Patricia Gibert, the agency's vice president for retail sales, said during a demonstration Wednesday. The systems require customers to purchase stamps in advance using a credit card or debit card. Service fees are expected to run about 10%. Customers can use their own printer to create a postmark and bar code in the envelope's upper right-hand corner. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560292735-2c5 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Deborah E. Patton" Subject: indexing work Judy Ruud reports she now has an indexer for her book. (I knew she would find someone if I posted a notice here!) Thanks very much to all who responded, and now please stop responding (as if I can really control hat) -- you all are the best. Deborah ============================== Deborah E. Patton, Freelance Indexer Baltimore, MD, USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:11:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Macrex Support Office Subject: Warning! You Are Under Attack! If I have managed to scare you with the subject line .... Good!! I intended to. Anyone who has tried to call me in the past month has usually discovered that I am "out and about" and not sitting at my desk. This is because the computer world is under attack (in quantity and in damage potential) by viruses. Of great concern to me is the lack of concern on the part of so many indexers. Just yesterday, three indexers sent me e-mail messages which contained evidence (or an attachment containing a virus) of infestations. Some of the new viruses are extremely sneaky and once operational are able to use your address book to send themselves to those with whom you correspone. Some viruses are quite cute (for example, HAPPY99 displays fireworks and wishes you a Happy New Year). Some have the ability to erase absolutely everything on your drive C (they add DELTREE /Y *.* to your AUTOEXEC.BAT file). Some affect only people using any MS Office (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc.) product. Some affect only Win9.x systems. One indexer discovered the infestation when she e-mailed the final index to her client -- the client had a virus checker installed and was thus able to avoid being infected. The client then notified the indexer of the problem; fortunately, this was a project where delayed delivery did not cause a problem (it took the indexer most of a day to find, install and update the virus checker because of the difficulty in finding the correct version). If you feel VERY lucky, then you don't need to do anything. Otherwise, please, please, if you have a virus checker installed, go IMMEDIATELY to the manufacturer's website and download the updated DAT file. And if you do not have a checker installed, may I suggest McAfee VirusScan. If you have McAfee VirusScan installed on your Win9x computer, there should be a small shield in the system tray (lower right corner near the time on most systems). Right-click on this shield and select "About". A screen will appear which will tell you which version of VirusScan is installed and when the DAT file was last updated. Here in the States most Price Club/Costco and Sam's Club stores have a package for sale at less than $15. All copies of this version with which I am familiar contain version 4.0.2 or 4.0.3. If this is the version you get, you will only need to download and install the 4.x DAT file (from www.mcafee.com) before scanning your system. Office supply stores (Office Depot, Staples, etc.) seem to have an older (version 4.0.0) and more expensive version of VirusScan. In this case, you will need to follow the instructions on the white card contained in the box for obtaining and installing the program update. Most users will need to deactivate VirusScan and the VirusScan Scheduler (right-click and select "Exit") before they will be able to use their e-mail software (this is absolutely essential if you have AOL as your provider). Once the update is installed and the computer rebooted, you will need to go to the McAfee website (www.mcafee.com) and download and install the 4.x DAT file. Finally you will be able to scan all files on your computer. Another option is to go to the McAfee website, use their online service to order the software. I don't know how long it will take for delivery nor do I know what the cost is. McAfee also has several plans for sending updated DAT files as they are released. If you choose a virus checker other than McAfee, you will need to consult the manual for information on obtaining updated data files. If your virus checker has the ability to scan e-mails or downloads, be sure this option is enabled. I believe that McAfee is currently releasing new DAT files about once a week (it used to be once a month). I do know that the updated DAT file used to fit on a single disk and still have room for the program files; today the data file is almost too big to fit on two floppy disks. Feel free to e-mail or call if you need help installing or updating McAfee (no, I don't get paid by McAfee -- I just know and trust the reliability of their virus checking. Except for a brief period when they had programming problems (during which I switched to CyberMedia), I have relied on McAfee for more than 10 years. I really like the software which as resulted from their purchase of CyberMedia a year or so ago -- which was when I returned to the fold). Gale Rhoades Macrex Support Office, North America voice: 650-756-0821 fax: 650-757-1567 Wise Bytes P. O. Box 3051 Daly City, CA 94015 macrex@aol.com www.macrex.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:51:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Problem Client... I assume that Ilana's client is a packager, since the client refers to "the publisher" as third party. Packagers are often "problem clients." It comes with the territory. It is no longer possible for freelancers to stay away from packagers since about half of all titles from the giant publishers pass through the hands of book packagers. Just give them what they pay for, no more and no less. Your name probably will not be in the book, so don't waste your emotional energy on this. Sure, pride in your work can be a virtue, but not when dealing with packagers who exist by offering a bargain to their clients. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:44:21 -0400 Ilana Kingsley writes: > > I'm working on a *has to have this now* index for one of my "problem > clients". I'm having difficuly with the page constraints, he emailed me this... > > "..Also, the publisher doesn't like big indexes and has cut every index > we've provided.." > > Gee, doesn't this make me feel like all the hard work I'm putting into > these indexes is for nothing. > > Grrrr.... > > --Ilana ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:24:43 -0500 Reply-To: dlwitt@concentric.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: [ASI-L] Warning! You Are Under Attack! Just thought you'd like to know I too have been the victim of viruses. I recently upgraded my Macafee and installed the automatic upgrade notice option. About once every couple of weeks this upgrade notice automatically pops up on my screen notifying me of yet another Macafee upgrade to detect yet another virus or viruses. Just today, this happened, and I downloaded the new upgrade and rebooted. I feel this is now simply part of my work routine, and would urge everyone to get the automatic notification procedure for any virus scanning software. Diana Witt Macrex@aol.com wrote: > From: Macrex@aol.com > > If I have managed to scare you with the subject line .... Good!! I intended > to. > > Anyone who has tried to call me in the past month has usually discovered that > I am "out and about" and not sitting at my desk. This is because the computer > world is under attack (in quantity and in damage potential) by viruses. Of > great concern to me is the lack of concern on the part of so many indexers. > Just yesterday, three indexers sent me e-mail messages which contained > evidence (or an attachment containing a virus) of infestations. Some of the > new viruses are extremely sneaky and once operational are able to use your > address book to send themselves to those with whom you correspone. Some > viruses are quite cute (for example, HAPPY99 displays fireworks and wishes > you a Happy New Year). Some have the ability to erase absolutely everything > on your drive C (they add DELTREE /Y *.* to your AUTOEXEC.BAT file). Some > affect only people using any MS Office (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc.) product. > Some affect only Win9.x systems. > > One indexer discovered the infestation when she e-mailed the final index to > her client -- the client had a virus checker installed and was thus able to > avoid being infected. The client then notified the indexer of the problem; > fortunately, this was a project where delayed delivery did not cause a > problem (it took the indexer most of a day to find, install and update the > virus checker because of the difficulty in finding the correct version). > > If you feel VERY lucky, then you don't need to do anything. Otherwise, > please, please, if you have a virus checker installed, go IMMEDIATELY to the > manufacturer's website and download the updated DAT file. And if you do not > have a checker installed, may I suggest McAfee VirusScan. > > If you have McAfee VirusScan installed on your Win9x computer, there should > be a small shield in the system tray (lower right corner near the time on > most systems). Right-click on this shield and select "About". A screen will > appear which will tell you which version of VirusScan is installed and when > the DAT file was last updated. > > Here in the States most Price Club/Costco and Sam's Club stores have a > package for sale at less than $15. All copies of this version with which I am > familiar contain version 4.0.2 or 4.0.3. If this is the version you get, you > will only need to download and install the 4.x DAT file (from www.mcafee.com) > before scanning your system. > > Office supply stores (Office Depot, Staples, etc.) seem to have an older > (version 4.0.0) and more expensive version of VirusScan. In this case, you > will need to follow the instructions on the white card contained in the box > for obtaining and installing the program update. Most users will need to > deactivate VirusScan and the VirusScan Scheduler (right-click and select > "Exit") before they will be able to use their e-mail software (this is > absolutely essential if you have AOL as your provider). Once the update is > installed and the computer rebooted, you will need to go to the McAfee > website (www.mcafee.com) and download and install the 4.x DAT file. Finally > you will be able to scan all files on your computer. > > Another option is to go to the McAfee website, use their online service to > order the software. I don't know how long it will take for delivery nor do I > know what the cost is. McAfee also has several plans for sending updated DAT > files as they are released. > > If you choose a virus checker other than McAfee, you will need to consult the > manual for information on obtaining updated data files. > > If your virus checker has the ability to scan e-mails or downloads, be sure > this option is enabled. > > I believe that McAfee is currently releasing new DAT files about once a week > (it used to be once a month). I do know that the updated DAT file used to fit > on a single disk and still have room for the program files; today the data > file is almost too big to fit on two floppy disks. > > Feel free to e-mail or call if you need help installing or updating McAfee > (no, I don't get paid by McAfee -- I just know and trust the reliability of > their virus checking. Except for a brief period when they had programming > problems (during which I switched to CyberMedia), I have relied on McAfee for > more than 10 years. I really like the software which as resulted from their > purchase of CyberMedia a year or so ago -- which was when I returned to the > fold). > > Gale Rhoades > Macrex Support Office, North America > voice: 650-756-0821 > fax: 650-757-1567 > Wise Bytes > P. O. Box 3051 > Daly City, CA 94015 > macrex@aol.com > www.macrex.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to like-minds and kindred spirits. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:32:10 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: McAfee VirusScan I'll second Ms. Rhoades' recommendation! A few years ago, a client sent me a diskette infected with a particularly nasty virus that my current virus software didn't recognize. It infected my hard disk and dozens of diskettes before *another* person in the same client's office called to warn me. That person recommended McAfee VirusScan, which I downloaded immediately. I called their tech support line and spoke to a person who gave me very clear instructions on how to carefully clean the hard disk and all the diskettes. Remember, I was using the evaluation version! I paid for the full registered version, the next day, and I've used it ever since. When a good virus shield does its job, though, it's easy to forget about downloading those updated virus definitions. I was reminded how important that is, not long ago, when someone (on this list, I think) accidentally mailed out the happy99 virus. The instant the message came into my mail program--before I'd even read the message, much less opened the ofending attachment--VirusScan warned me that the message was infected and (as specified in my preferences settings) deleted the message and attachment for me. --David ============================= David M. Brown - Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com ============================= A V A I L A B L E N O W ! http://www.html-indexer.com/ HTML Indexer 3.0, still the easiest way to create and maintain back-of-the-book indexes for web sites and other HTML documents. Now including options for HTML Help and JavaHelp indexes, too! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:49:39 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Shipping charges for mailing final index In a message dated 99-07-15 00:06:19 EDT, Manjit writes: > Do any of you pay the shipping charges for your clients? Is it a common > practice for any of you? Should I pay the charges or should I refuse the > project? Hi Manjit, I've had 1 or 2 clients who gave me a shipping account number; I've paid the shipping on all other jobs unless it's one of those jobs that I can send electronically. I was pleasantly surprised when they offered their account number, because I consider shipping to be an expense of doing business too. I would not refuse a job because they wanted me to pay the $12 shipping fee. Just my $0.02. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG www.communication-link.com <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:57:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Anti-Virus software All, I can't tell you how embarassing it is to be told by a client that a file/disk you sent in with a job was infected! Very! Since then I've been using Norton Anti-Virus and have their "Live Update" feature set to remind me once a week to download and install the update files. It also scans the entire hard disk at regular intervals as well as all emails and attachments. So there are alternatives to choose from in terms of good anti-virus software. The important thing -- buy it and use it. Nobody in business can afford to deal with the consequences of having a hard drive wiped clean or otherwise screwed up! Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING http://www.marisol.com/southwestindexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:33:11 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Shipping charges for mailing final index < Do any of you pay the shipping charges for your clients? Is it a common > practice for any of you? Should I pay the charges or should I refuse the > project? >> I have never paid shipping charges for any of my clients. In the letter that goes out with my resume I say "I ship indexes using Federal Express or another express shipping company and charge the shipping to you." Or I say something like that on the phone. I consider this their responsibility, and would refuse to pay it myself (unless I've incurred extra charges through an error, chosen to ship on Saturday to give myself an extra day, etc.). I don't know how much it's worth arguing about, but the money does add up over years of doing business with a client. You could try saying, "the industry standard, as far as I know, is for the client to pay for shipping," and see what they say. Good luck! Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:55:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nina Forrest Subject: Miscellaneous questions During this grueling phase of starting my indexing business, I have been = taking breaks from marketing to practice using Macrex. I am indexing a = book that my son bought about the rock band Phish that did not have an = index. My son said he really had trouble finding information in the book = and asked if I could create an index just for his use. I felt it would = be good practice for me (BTW the book is published by a subsidiary of a = "big" publisher, but I guess they felt it had a limited market so they = didn't put in an index).=20 Working on this index has brought up some questions that I will probably = encounter in other indexes so I thought I'd ask them now. 1. If a person appears in a photograph and his name also appears in text = on the same page, and I'm using italics for page numbers for = illustrations, should I have two page locators in the index entry? This = happens all over the book for both names of people and places. example: Smith, John, 83, 83 2. The song names in the text have quotes around them and the album = names are in italics. Should I enter the names this way in the index or = can I have both song names and album names in italics? I also have a couple of business questions: 1. For those who do indexing part time, do you have problems w/ = publishers if you only work, for example, 20 hours/week, and estimate = the job will take twice as long as working full time? Do you tell them = you only work part time? Seems a little awkward to me. But I really can = only work 20 hours/week due to personal constraints. How do others = handle this? 2. Would it be premature for a new indexer (new to freelancing, but w/ = in house indexing experience) to contact university presses, etc. to try = to do scholarly indexing. Do you need a long list of clients before = these publishers would be willing to hire you?=20 Nina Forrest Looking Up Indexing Service e-mail: ninaf@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:02:27 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Miscellaneous questions Nina, et al., 1. I think it helps the reader to indicate specifically that a person appears in a photograph and is discussed in the text, e.g. Smith, John, 83, 83 On the other hand if you let the reader know that Smith is mentioned in the text on page 83, assumedly, the reader would also notice the photograph there. Howere, the specific mention of the illustration does does help if there are several mentions of the individual in the book. Smith, John, 17, 28, 83, 83, 173 2. Songs in quotes and album names italicized sounds like the Chicago Manual of Style way of doing things. I'd leave them the way they are in the text. For someone who has already read the text, using the quotation marks will actually help them scan quickly for song titles. Whatever you decide to do, you naturally need to be consistent. Of course, the next text you do might treat the song titles differently. So you follow that book's style in its index. (Long-time subscribers to INDEX-L will recognize this as another case of Leise's first rule of indexing: "There are no rules, only contexts.") 3. I also index only part time. I know that I can usually index in the range of 100-150 pages per week, but not more than that. When I first discuss a project with an editor, I certainly don't tell them I index part-time, but I do let them know how quickly I can produce the index. On the other hand, if the editor needs an index to a 300-page book in one week, I simply say that I can't fit it into my schedule at the moment. It would probably be different when you have built a relationship with an editor who would then know your situation and would use you on those occasions when they have a bit more time in the schedule. 4. If you have experience indexing, start marketing right away! Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services In a message dated 99-07-15 18:55:55 EDT, ninaf@mindspring.com writes: > Working on this index has brought up some questions that I will probably > encounter in other indexes so I thought I'd ask them now. > > 1. If a person appears in a photograph and his name also appears in text on > the same page, and I'm using italics for page numbers for illustrations, > should I have two page locators in the index entry? This happens all over the > book for both names of people and places. > > example: Smith, John, 83, 83 > > 2. The song names in the text have quotes around them and the album names > are in italics. Should I enter the names this way in the index or can I have > both song names and album names in italics? > > I also have a couple of business questions: > > 1. For those who do indexing part time, do you have problems w/ publishers > if you only work, for example, 20 hours/week, and estimate the job will take > twice as long as working full time? Do you tell them you only work part time? > Seems a little awkward to me. But I really can only work 20 hours/week due to > personal constraints. How do others handle this? > > 2. Would it be premature for a new indexer (new to freelancing, but w/ in > house indexing experience) to contact university presses, etc. to try to do > scholarly indexing. Do you need a long list of clients before these > publishers would be willing to hire you? > > Nina Forrest > Looking Up Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:36:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Warning! You Are Under Attack! Egads! I just checked my anti-virus setup (McAffee Virus Scan) and discovered to my horror that my e-mail scan was turned off! I thought everything was on and have no idea how that got turned off. I also just checked on dat file updates & found the one I had (6/23) was outdated - a new update file was posted yesterday. I've got it downloading NOW. Thanks Gale. Now I need to check on that automatic update feature. Ann Macrex Support Office wrote: > > > If your virus checker has the ability to scan e-mails or downloads, be sure > this option is enabled. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:51:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Crowley Subject: Re: OCLC's authority file In-Reply-To: <199907151631.MAA06287@smtp.usit.net> --=====================_13124279==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Cynthia! HMMMMMM! Since I am a "paid-in-full" OCLC user, I have never tried to get to the authority file through any other way except via my usual route. (OCLC likes to get its money!) I'll have to hunt around that for an answer to that one. In the meantime, yes, you can see the authorized headings in LCs online catalog. That is at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/catalog/ They do file maintenance between 11 PM and 6 AM, so it's hit or miss if you're a nightowl! There's also the Library of Congress' Z39.50 Gateway to Search Other Catalogs, which I find useful: http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html#other Hope this helps! Julie * * * * * At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Julie, > >Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we >could access something that looks like authority files? > >I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog. >Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records? > >Thanks, > >Cynthia Julie Moore Crowley Cataloger Stetson University, College of Law Library 1401 61st St. S. St. Petersburg, FL 33707 727-562-7829 "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." -- Philippians 4:13 --=====================_13124279==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Cynthia!

HMMMMMM!  Since I am a "paid-in-full" OCLC user, I have never tried to get to the authority file through any other way except via my usual route.  (OCLC likes to get its money!)  I'll have to hunt around that for an answer to that one.

In the meantime, yes, you can see the authorized headings in LCs online catalog. 
That is at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/catalog/   
They do file maintenance between 11 PM and 6 AM, so it's hit or miss if you're a nightowl!

There's also the Library of Congress' Z39.50 Gateway to Search Other Catalogs, which I find useful:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html#other
 
Hope this helps!

Julie

* * * * *
At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Julie,
>
>Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we
>could access something that looks like authority files?
>
>I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog.
>Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Cynthia 


Julie Moore Crowley
Cataloger
Stetson University, College of Law Library
1401 61st St. S.
St. Petersburg, FL  33707
727-562-7829

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me."
        -- Philippians 4:13


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I certainly wouldn't ship for free, though - I agree with others that this is the publisher's responsibility - I'd just rather build it in to the total cost. Charles Anderson -----Original Message----- From: Peg Mauer To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:58 PM Subject: Shipping charges for mailing final index >In a message dated 99-07-15 00:06:19 EDT, Manjit writes: > >> Do any of you pay the shipping charges for your clients? Is it a common >> practice for any of you? Should I pay the charges or should I refuse the >> project? > >Hi Manjit, > >I've had 1 or 2 clients who gave me a shipping account number; I've paid the >shipping on all other jobs unless it's one of those jobs that I can send >electronically. I was pleasantly surprised when they offered their account >number, because I consider shipping to be an expense of doing business too. 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Oh - I forgot to mention that they did not say anything about not paying the invoice - this is my own guilt working here. Erin Pierce Pierce Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:36:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Crowley Subject: Re: LC's authority file (was re:OCLC's authority file) In-Reply-To: <199907151631.MAA06287@smtp.usit.net> --=====================_1174253==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cynthia & interested indexers -- I've been thinking about this, and I think the Library of Congress' authority file, especially the LC name authority file, would be of great use to you! To get to the LC Name Authority File Go to: http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html Under Search Library of Congress Catalog Choose Advanced Search (multiple terms using Boolean operators) Under: Select Database to be Searched: Choose: Name Authority File Enter your term and choose the appropriate index. August 16th is the when LC switches over to their new Voyager system -- so I don't know how it will work after that. In the meantime, this is a great resource site for authorized name headings! Julie At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Julie, > >Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we >could access something that looks like authority files? > >I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog. >Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records? > >Thanks, > >Cynthia Julie Moore Crowley Cataloger Stetson University, College of Law Library 1401 61st St. S. St. Petersburg, FL 33707 727-562-7829 "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." -- Philippians 4:13 --=====================_1174253==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Cynthia & interested indexers --

I've been thinking about this, and I think the Library of Congress' authority file, especially the LC name authority file, would be of great use to you!

To get to the LC Name Authority File

Go to:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html

Under
Search Library of Congress Catalog
Choose
Advanced Search (multiple terms using Boolean operators)

Under:
Select Database to be Searched:
Choose: Name Authority File

Enter your term and choose the appropriate index.

August 16th is the when LC switches over to their new Voyager system -- so I don't know how it will work after that.  In the meantime, this is a great resource site for authorized name headings! 

Julie


At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Julie,
>
>Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we
>could access something that looks like authority files?
>
>I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog.
>Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Cynthia 


Julie Moore Crowley
Cataloger
Stetson University, College of Law Library
1401 61st St. S.
St. Petersburg, FL  33707
727-562-7829

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me."
        -- Philippians 4:13


--=====================_1174253==_.ALT-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:48:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: Re: Warning! You Are Under Attack! (More info) Macrex Support Office wrote: > > ... what about MS-DOS, Windows 3.x and Macintosh users? > > Unfortunately, I am a poor resource for Mac users. I believe McAfee also makes VirusScan for the Mac. --David ============================= David M. Brown - Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com ============================= A V A I L A B L E N O W ! http://www.html-indexer.com/ HTML Indexer 3.1, still the easiest way to create and maintain back-of-the-book indexes for web sites and other HTML documents. Now including options for HTML Help and JavaHelp indexes, too! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:10:22 +1000 Reply-To: Brian V Taylor Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Brian V Taylor Subject: Re: new address I am a subscriber to this mailing list under the address platytrav@bigpond.com . I have now changed my address. Please send my mail to my new address of ngaire_taylor@hotmail.com, Thank you Ngaire ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:04:34 +1000 Reply-To: Brian V Taylor Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Brian V Taylor Subject: Re: New address I am a subscriber to this mailing list under the address platytrav@bigpond.com . I have now changed my address. Please send my mail to my new address of ngaire_taylor@hotmail.com, Thank you Ngaire ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:32:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Crowley Subject: Re: OCLC's authority file In-Reply-To: <199907151631.MAA06287@smtp.usit.net> --=====================_22561318==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Cynthia! Sorry . . . I don't mean to run this thread into the ground, but I just can't leave any stone unturned! You could get to the OCLC WorldCat authority records, but WorldCat costs money. (Very little from OCLC is free!!) The LC Authority File is your best bet. Plus, all OCLC Name Authorities get loaded into the LC Authority File, eventually. Like I said previously, I would go through the LC Z39.50 gateway. http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html It's a great resource! I am a NACO cataloger, and it requires a great deal of research in authorizing the correct form of an author's name, from siting the name from references up to and including calling or e-mailing with the author! Good luck! Julie At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Julie, > >Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we >could access something that looks like authority files? > >I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog. >Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records? > >Thanks, > >Cynthia Julie Moore Crowley Cataloger Stetson University College of Law 1401 61st St. S. St. Petersburg, FL 33707 727-562-7829; FAX: 727-345-8973 crowley@law.stetson.edu "Remember that you become what you practice most. You can choose to bring forth in yourself qualities of compassion, patience, kindness, humility, and peace through what you practice." -- Don't sweat the small stuff -- and it's all small stuff / by Richard Carlson. * * * Cataloging Rules!!! * * * --=====================_22561318==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Cynthia!

Sorry . . . I don't mean to run this thread into the ground, but I just can't leave any stone unturned!  You could get to the OCLC WorldCat authority records, but WorldCat costs money.  (Very little from OCLC is free!!) 

The LC Authority File is your best bet.  Plus, all OCLC Name Authorities get loaded into the LC Authority File, eventually.  Like I said previously, I would go through the LC Z39.50 gateway. http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html

It's a great resource!  I am a NACO cataloger, and it requires a great deal of research in authorizing the correct form of an author's name, from siting the name from references up to and including calling or e-mailing with the author!

Good luck!

Julie


At 12:31 PM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Julie,
>
>Do you have an URL for those of us who don't have access to OCLC so that we
>could access something that looks like authority files?
>
>I suppose we could just go by headings in WorldCat or LC's online catalog.
>Do you have an URL for the LC online catalog that has authority records?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Cynthia 

Julie Moore Crowley
Cataloger
Stetson University College of Law
1401 61st St. S.
St. Petersburg, FL 33707
727-562-7829; FAX: 727-345-8973
crowley@law.stetson.edu

"Remember that you become what you practice most. You can choose to bring forth in yourself qualities of compassion, patience, kindness, humility, and peace through what you practice."
-- Don't sweat the small stuff -- and it's all small stuff / by Richard Carlson.

* * * Cataloging Rules!!! * * *
--=====================_22561318==_.ALT-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:34:32 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Russell Subject: Re: Prepositions > Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there might know how to add to the list > of non-sorted prepositions (in the sort dialogue window) with no index open, > so that the default is changed. I can add to it when an index is open, but > have to repeat this process with every index. I can't access it to change > it (it's grayed out) otherwise. You don't say which program you use, but it sounds like Cindex. Open the Sort window with no index open. Click on the "word-by-word" or "letter-by-letter" option. That should open up the other options for you. Janet Russell ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:24:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: OT eye surgery questions In-Reply-To: <93215070301@voyager.together.net> Lillian, I'm sending this to the list in case anyone else is interested. It's OT but there might be others facing cataract surgery as well, and so might also be interested. It's remotely relevant, as you asked how soon you would be able to get back to work. I'll assume you know next to nothing about eyes, sorry if I'm too basic. Sorry to anyone not interested. I haven't had cataract surgery but in my former life I was an ophthalmic technologist and part of my job was first assistant in surgery. I assisted probably 200 or more cataract surgeries and their followups. I can tell you that most people experience very little pain or discomfort and have good vision right away, with full vision coming in within a couple of weeks. Cataracts are what happens when the crystalline lens (its proper name) of the eye, which does the eye's focusing, becomes cloudy, due to aging or sometimes trauma to the eye. Or even electric shock anywhere to the body. The surgery, done under local anaesthesia and sedation, involves removing the crystalline lens. Nowadays they just remove the insides of the lens, which is the clouded part, and leave the outer skin, or sac, as long as it's not damaged or cloudy, and then nearly everyone has intraocular lens implants (IOLs) which are slid into place through a very tiny incision along the top of the cornea (the clear part of the eye), about an 8th of an inch long. The IOL (the doc will figure out the right diopter, or magnification, for your eye, mostly based on the length of your eye so that the IOL will cause light to focus correctly on your retina) goes in behind the iris into the sac left behind, and fits in fairly tightly so it can't move around. The incision is sutured with a running stitch that doesn't have to be removed and doesn't disolve but will be invisible, and is covered up with the conjunctiva, the membrane that covers the white part of the eye (the sclera) and most people feel only a little scratchiness if anything. They usually go home within a few hours of surgery, wear a patch overnight, see the doc the next day, and then they just wear the patch at night for a couple of weeks, mostly to avoid rubbing during sleep. You can go back to normal activies except heavy lifting almost right away. You should be able to get back to indexing within 3 to 4 days, maybe sooner. You might find you get tired quickly, and you'll have to adjust to your eye not focusing automatically for different distances, so you might not want to take any big or intense projects, or any with a short deadline for a few weeks. You should get nearly 20/20 vision in that eye, provided there's nothing else wrong with your eye (like retinal disease or glaucoma or something), even if you didn't have 20/20 before. Even if you only get 20/30 or 20/40, it will seem like a huge improvement after your clouded vision, which might be as bad as 20/200 by the time you go for the surgery. You'll still need reading glasses, though, as IOLs can't accommodate for near vision. You might even need trifocals as you also might not focus the same way as you did for your computer monitor. Your other eye will still be accommodating as best it can (it accommodates less and less as we age, hence the need for reading glasses), but you'll have slightly different responses in each eye. Your brain will learn to cope very quickly, like within a couple of days. In short, cataract surgery is considered routine and very low risk. There are a few risks but they are very rare and I'm sure you'll get an informed consent to sign which will outline all the gory details. If you want to hear about them, I can tell you, but really, it's an extremely low risk surgery, with a very high success rate. My neighbor had it done last month and was out and about on the 3rd day as if nothing had happened, and she was very pleased. I would say not to worry about it at all. Just have someone to take care of you the first night as you'll be heavily medicated and it will take a while for that to wear off, and you'll have that patch which will screw up your depth perception. If you have any more questions, give a shout. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:13:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Macrex Support Office Subject: Re: Warning! You Are Under Attack! (More info) Well, I finally go some time today to really take a look at McAfee.com and David is quite correct -- the product for the Mac is called Virex. Gale Rhoades Macrex Support Office, North America voice: 650-756-0821 fax: 650-757-1567 Wise Bytes P. O. Box 3051 Daly City, CA 94015 macrex@aol.com www.macrex.com In a message dated 7/16/1999 2:53:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, David Brown wrote: << Macrex Support Office wrote: > > ... what about MS-DOS, Windows 3.x and Macintosh users? > > Unfortunately, I am a poor resource for Mac users. I believe McAfee also makes VirusScan for the Mac. >> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:15:09 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Re: Pro-Cite discussion list, where? In-Reply-To: <199907161758.DAA19007@mail.mel.aone.net.au> At 01:57 pm 16/07/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi folks. Does anyone know the address of the Pro-Cite discussion list? Any >help would be greatly appreciated. > >Rick Gildemeister >Riquili@aol.com > Send a message to SUBSCRIBE PROCITE Gildemeister Rick (Leave Subject blank) I had trouble subscribing at first, because I typed SUBSCRIBE PRO-CITE (as instructed by Pro-Cite's Australian agents). The Indianans denied all knowledge of any such list, but when I sent the command again using PROCITE, it worked. Another confirmation of something all indexers know: the greatest obstacle in information retrieval is the hyphen. Alan -- Alan Walker Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers, 1997-2000 10 Rockwall Crescent Potts Point NSW 2011, Australia Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:34:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: OCLC's authority file Julie, Thanks so much for the URL--I just looked at the LC authority files and, in my opinion, all indexers should bookmark this URL (choose advanced search option and then when asked for database, select Name Authority--either subject or personal name). Cynthia At 11:32 PM 7/16/99 -0400, Julie Crowley wrote: > >The LC Authority File is your best bet. Plus, all OCLC Name Authorities get >loaded into the LC Authority File, eventually. Like I said previously, I would >go through the LC Z39.50 gateway. http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html > >It's a great resource! I am a NACO cataloger, and it requires a great deal of >research in authorizing the correct form of an author's name, from siting the >name from references up to and including calling or e-mailing with the author! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:54:09 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Enrique Gildemeister Subject: Re: Pro-Cite discussion list, where? Alan, Thanks veery much for getting me subscribed to the Pro-Cite list. Rick Gildemeister ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:57:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: multi-author works ("potentially stupid question") Do Mi wrote, in part: > The logic to me is that indexing the author of a whole chapter would entail > either giving that person a very long span of page references, which isn't > particularly helpful to the reader, or breaking them down, which would have > to completely duplicate the breakdown of the chapter subject, adding a huge > amount of length to the index. I think that the author of a chapter in a > multi-author work is outside of the text. In this way that author is parallel > to the author of the whole book. > > I do think that we can come up with some opinions about this, and there may > be arguments for both ways, but in the long run the editors decide. The question can be complicated by the fact that authors in multi-author works often cite each other's previous or included works. If author A references Author B, who is also represented by a chapter in the book, I index Author B, giving the page numbers on which Author A referenced Author B, but not the page numbers on which Author B's own work appears. However, if the work to which Author A referred *is* Author B's chapter, I often do reference the chapter as well, either by giving the page numbers, or (if the publisher prefers) by a sort of cross-reference ("See also Chapter Six by this author" or words to that effect.) On a related topic, I'm curious as to how other indexers handle self-references by an author. These fall under two types: autobiographical information relevant to the topic the author is discussing (or, occasionally, irrelevant), and references to/quotes from the author's own previous works. Are the former indexable? I usually think so, but sometimes I'm not so sure. Sometimes it's really a judgement call: how important is this little autobiographical nugget? So how do you all handle these? Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:16:12 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yves_Fran=E7ois_Jeaurond?= Subject: Re: web site citations In-Reply-To: <199907101739.NAA09920@mail3.magma.ca> Barbara Stroup: Hi. You can index the company or service and use "URL" as an entry. That way you avoid "the" URL in the index and all those w3s. Don't forget: an index helps you locate info; not obtain info. Would you put a person's birthdate in the index? Or just an entry: "birthdate"? Same goes for a site's URL. For those who insist that they be listed, write a table of URLs mentionned in the book. Is everybody happy? And there is some good advice--though slightly OT--on this in HardWired's "WiredStyle: Principles of English Usage in the Digital Age", Constance Hale, Ed., San Francisco, 1996. Cordially, Yves Jeaurond jingting@magma.ca ---------- > > A question for those of you who index books that deal with lots of URL'= s : > When you compose an entry with a web-site name, are you elimina= ting > the > repetition of "www" prior to the identifying word in your entry? > i.e. > amazon.com > > instead of > www.amazon.com > > It seems that a long string of "www's" in the index is not reader-frien= dly. > Wondering how others are dealing with this. > Barbara********************** > Barbara Stroup, Indexer > 30 Spruceland Avenue, Springfield, MA 01108 > 413 785-1835 e-mail indexa2z@the-spa.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:30:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Goldstone Subject: sign-off Index-L Please unsubscribe me. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:06:06 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Manjit Sahai Subject: Re: SKY Index Support Hi Kamm, I was NOT upset at all by your response. It was my decision to put the question to Index-L. As a matter of fact, you helped me *a lot* at ASI conf. in Indy. I can't thank enough for helping me over there for all of my qestions related to SKY software. I was NOT criticizing you in any way. That was NEVER my intention. You are such a wonderful person and an excellent programmer! Believe me, I really mean it. BTW, thank you for explaining about character map problem via my other e-mail address. My husband already suspected that SKY supports only one font. I will have to change it manually in Word. THANKS AGAIN. Beleive me, next time I have a question related to SKY, it will reach your mail box DIRECTLY, *not* via Index-L. :) Regards, MANJIT >From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" >Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com >To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > >Subject: SKY Index Support >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:38:05 -0400 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BECF77.497959A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Everyone, > >I was recently chastised by one of my customers for a response I made to a >request for assistance on SKY Index that was posted to INDEX-L. In my >response I asked her to send me the index so that I could perform the >needed >configuration adjustments for her and suggested that she contact me rather >than the list for help with SKY Index in the future. My response was >misinterpreted and if one person misinterpreted it then others probably did >to. > >The reason I asked this was because: > >- That's my job and I wanted her to feel comfortable asking me questions >about SKY Index. I'm happy to help. > >- I wrote the program, so I am the most likely person to be able to answer >the question. > >- I check my email *very* frequently and so I would probably get the answer >to her faster. > >- I thought INDEX-L members would probably prefer that I handle support for >my product. > >I was NOT upset about the posting to INDEX-L. The request was not mean >spirited in the least. If you look at the original response, there was a >smiley face at the end of the request. I have to admit that it could easily >be taken that way though. There simply is no way to get tonal inflections >from written words. > >Manjit, if you thought I was upset, please accept my apology. I was not. >Sincerely, > >Kamm Schreiner > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Professional Indexing Software for Professional Indexers > >SKY Software >6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 >Alexandria, VA 22315 > >Email: kamm@sky-software.com, Web: http://www.sky-software.com >Phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472, Fax: 703-921-9472 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BECF77.497959A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > >
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I was = >recently=20 >chastised by one of my customers for a response I made to a request for=20 >assistance on SKY Index that was posted to INDEX-L. In my response I = >asked her=20 >to send me the index so that I could perform the needed configuration=20 >adjustments for her and suggested that she contact me rather than the = >list for=20 >help with SKY Index in the future. My response was misinterpreted and if = >one=20 >person misinterpreted it then others probably did = >to.
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The = >reason I asked=20 >this was because:
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- I = >thought INDEX-L=20 >members would probably prefer that I handle support for my=20 >product.
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I was = >NOT upset=20 >about the posting to INDEX-L. The request was not mean spirited in the = >least. If=20 >you look at the original response, there was a smiley face at the end of = >the=20 >request. I have to admit that it could easily be taken that way though. = >There=20 >simply is no way to get tonal inflections from written=20 >words.
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Sincerely,

Kamm=20 >Schreiner

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