Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9909B" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:27:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: software for searchable index Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3019627664_268007_MIME_Part" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3019627664_268007_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've been contacted by a college to index a collection of reports. They would like a searchable database at the end of it. Any suggestions as to software? I can do some programming if need be but I'd rather not. Thanks. Sorry if you're seeing this twice. Yesterday I sent it to the old address and I don't think it gets posted if you do that. Keith McQuay Foreword Indexing Services 613-278-0426 http://Foreword.pair.com keithm@superaje.com --MS_Mac_OE_3019627664_268007_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable software for searchable index I've been contacted by a college to index a collection of &n= bsp;reports.  They would like a searchable database at the end of it. &= nbsp;Any suggestions as to software?  I can do some programming if need= be but I'd rather not.

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Sorry if you're seeing this twice.  Yesterday I sent it to the old add= ress and I don't think it gets posted if you do that.

Keith McQuay
Foreword Indexing Services
613-278-0426
http://Foreword.pair.com
keithm@superaje.com
--MS_Mac_OE_3019627664_268007_MIME_Part-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:30:30 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: software for searchable index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-09-08 09:41:49 EDT, keithm@SUPERAJE.COM writes: << I've been contacted by a college to index a collection of reports. They would like a searchable database at the end of it. Any suggestions as to software? I can do some programming if need be but I'd rather not. >> ITs no problem for you if you are using one of the indexing software packages. For example. If you use CINDEX you can save the file as a Dat file or as a .tab file. Then it is in a format that can be read by almost any database program. There is a trick to making sure that you have all the headings on the same level and the locators on the same level. I mean that if you a main heading, one subheading then one locater in the page field it will convert seamlessly. If you skip a subhead the locater will shift on space and end up in the wrong field. However if you put some symbol of nonsence word in the subhead field you can delete them later (in Excel or in the database file) and have everything in the right column in your database table. I usually take the CINDEX tab file and pull it into EXCEL to check it over, then import the Excel file into ACCESS. It works well. Don't worry about buying the database software if you have excel and send an excel file I to your client. I haven't met a modern database program that can't import it. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:53:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Maria Coughlin Subject: Emergency Help Needed In-Reply-To: <199908280403.AAA25423@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear All: I just got a call from a packager who is doing a 1400-page book for MIT, on cognitive neuroscience. The book is AT THE PRINTER. The indexer, a person who shall remain anonymous, failed, for various reasons, to deliver the index yesterday as promised. The packager asked that I locate indexers each willing to take a chunk and index it PRONTO (as in, can you e-mail a file back to me by Monday Sept 13?). I hope to find 13 other indexers, each willing to take 100 pages. I'll do 100 myself. I'll concatanate the entries and edit the whole thing. I promise to pay you promptly, myself, and I'll settle with the packager for the whole kit and caboodle later. I'll pay 75 cents an entry. I'll need Cindex-compatible, spell-checked files. Please reply to me directly, off list, ASAP. We'd like to send out batches (and a copy of the previous index) tonight, so you'll have them tomorrow. Or, telephone me at 410-269-0978. Thanks. Maria ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:57:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: Re: software for searchable index Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Sharon. Some variation of what you suggest may be what I end up doing. I will be using Cindex to index regardless of what I supply to them at the end. Someone else suggested exporting to HTML (which I like better actually) except I'd like to provide a search interface and a database with the data sitting in fields. Which is all possible in HTML I believe but I've never done before so there'd be that learning curve. Ah but then there are HTML indexing packages -- off I go to investigate! Keith McQuay Foreword Indexing Services 613-278-0426 http://Foreword.pair.com keithm@superaje.com ---------- >From: SHughes512@AOL.COM >To: INDEX-L@listserv.binghamton.edu >Subject: Re: software for searchable index >Date: Wed, Sep 8, 1999, 10:30 AM > >In a message dated 99-09-08 09:41:49 EDT, keithm@SUPERAJE.COM writes: > ><< I've been contacted by a college to index a collection of reports. They > would like a searchable database at the end of it. Any suggestions as to > software? I can do some programming if need be but I'd rather not. >> > > > ITs no problem for you if you are using one of the indexing software >packages. For example. If you use CINDEX you can save the file as a Dat >file or as a .tab file. Then it is in a format that can be read by almost >any database program. There is a trick to making sure that you have all the >headings on the same level and the locators on the same level. I mean that >if you a main heading, one subheading then one locater in the page field it >will convert seamlessly. If you skip a subhead the locater will shift on >space and end up in the wrong field. However if you put some symbol of >nonsence word in the subhead field you can delete them later (in Excel or in >the database file) and have everything in the right column in your database >table. > I usually take the CINDEX tab file and pull it into EXCEL to check it over, >then import the Excel file into ACCESS. It works well. Don't worry about >buying the database software if you have excel and send an excel file I to >your client. I haven't met a modern database program that can't import it. > Sharon > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:10:14 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Frizzell Subject: Re: Emergency Help Needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Maria, I would be happy to help you out. Regards, Betty Frizzell Frizzell Indexing service frizzell@wolfenet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Maria Coughlin To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:53 AM Subject: Emergency Help Needed > Dear All: > I just got a call from a packager who is doing a 1400-page book for MIT, > on cognitive neuroscience. The book is AT THE PRINTER. The indexer, a > person who > shall remain anonymous, failed, for various reasons, to deliver the index > yesterday > as promised. > > The packager asked that I locate indexers each willing to take a chunk and > index it > PRONTO (as in, can you e-mail a file back to me by Monday Sept 13?). I hope to > find 13 other indexers, each willing to take 100 pages. I'll do 100 myself. > I'll concatanate > the entries and edit the whole thing. I promise to pay you promptly, > myself, and I'll settle > with the packager for the whole kit and caboodle later. I'll pay 75 cents > an entry. > I'll need Cindex-compatible, spell-checked files. > > Please reply to me directly, off list, ASAP. We'd like to send out batches > (and a copy of the > previous index) tonight, so you'll have them tomorrow. Or, telephone me at > 410-269-0978. > > Thanks. > > Maria > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:18:57 -0400 Reply-To: "David K. Ream" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David K. Ream" Organization: Leverage Technologies, Inc. Subject: Re: software for searchable index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually you don't need all the records to have the same number of headings as mentioned below. CINDEX has an option when creating a .dat file to force "empty" fields out so that the locators end up in the same/last field for all records. Dave Ream Leverage Technologies, Inc. Cleveland, OH 44141-2939 Toll-free (NA) 888-838-1203 Local/Fax 440-838-1203 E-mail: DaveReam@LevTechInc.com Web: http://www.LevTechInc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:30 AM Subject: Re: software for searchable index > In a message dated 99-09-08 09:41:49 EDT, keithm@SUPERAJE.COM writes: > > << I've been contacted by a college to index a collection of reports. They > would like a searchable database at the end of it. Any suggestions as to > software? I can do some programming if need be but I'd rather not. >> > > > ITs no problem for you if you are using one of the indexing software > packages. For example. If you use CINDEX you can save the file as a Dat > file or as a .tab file. Then it is in a format that can be read by almost > any database program. There is a trick to making sure that you have all the > headings on the same level and the locators on the same level. I mean that > if you a main heading, one subheading then one locater in the page field it > will convert seamlessly. If you skip a subhead the locater will shift on > space and end up in the wrong field. However if you put some symbol of > nonsence word in the subhead field you can delete them later (in Excel or in > the database file) and have everything in the right column in your database > table. > I usually take the CINDEX tab file and pull it into EXCEL to check it over, > then import the Excel file into ACCESS. It works well. Don't worry about > buying the database software if you have excel and send an excel file I to > your client. I haven't met a modern database program that can't import it. > Sharon > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:42:43 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Indexing actors and movies In-Reply-To: <199909070405.AAA26590@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >1...I plan to list name of every movie in italics the way it has been done >in the book. So my question is when I list the name of the movie as a sub >under actor's name, should I list the name in italics or regular way. For >example..... > >Fonda, Henry.....in Young Mr. Lincoln.....25 Definitely. Movie titles are italicized no matter where they appear. > >2...Throughout the book, scenes from various movies are being discussed and >through those scenes, the author is talking about some episodes of Lincon's >life, like his mother's agonizing labor when he was born, Lincoln's ill >fated romance with Ann Rutledge and his unhappy marriage with Mary Todd >Lincoln. With limited space available for the index, does it make sense to >make entries of real life people like, Abraham Licnocln, Mary Todd Lincoln >and Ann Rutledge (Lincoln's first love)? After all this book is *not* a >biography. It is about film portrayals of Lincoln's life. If the author is talking about the actual people, I would index them. Personal names should almost always be indexed, regardless of whether the book is a biography. > >Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. You didn't specifically ask about ways of saving space, but here's one you might find useful. Some indexers don't like to do this, but here's what I'd do with the movie titles, given your space constraint: instead of double-posting *all* the movie titles as subentries under actors' names, I'd list only those that have several locators (which you may not be able to determine until the final edit). In other words, suppose some actor was in three different movies, but there's very little discussion of her role in two of the movies (discussed only on pages 13 and 22). You could get an entry for her that looks like this: Lovelace, Linda, 13, 22 in _Life and Loves of Lincoln_, 57-60, 62, 100-105 This saves you two lines. The titles of each of the three movies (including the two "suppressed" ones) would still appear as main headings. Overall, this technique can save a lot of space. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:00:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Re: Emergency Help Needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------970D08CB11F96109FBA85247" --------------970D08CB11F96109FBA85247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Maria, I sent you a note earlier about my interest in this project. I realized -- after reading your the note again -- that this appears to be a reworking of a previous index. In that case, there reallly shouldn't be any problem regarding terminology. I need to go out now, but if you want to get in touch with me, I should be back by 5:30 or so. My Fedex (street) mailing address, in case you want to send me any materials, is: 4 Sam Hill Road Worthington, MA 01098 Thanks, Diane Brenner www.dianebrenner.com --------------970D08CB11F96109FBA85247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Maria,
I sent you a note earlier about my interest in this project.  I realized -- after reading your the note again --  that this appears to be a reworking of a previous index.  In that case, there reallly shouldn't be any problem regarding terminology.

I need to go out now, but if you want to get in touch with me, I should be back by 5:30 or so.  My Fedex (street) mailing address, in case you want to send me any materials, is:
4 Sam Hill Road
Worthington, MA 01098

Thanks,

Diane  Brenner
www.dianebrenner.com
  --------------970D08CB11F96109FBA85247-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:45:22 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: software for searchable index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-09-08 13:37:07 EDT, you write: From Dave << CINDEX has an option when creating a .dat file to force "empty" fields out so that the locators end up in the same/last field for all records. >> Hey!! great. I never noticed. That would save me some keystrokes. 8-) From Keith >>>Someone else suggested exporting to HTML (which I like better actually) except I'd like to provide a search interface and a database with the data sitting in fields. Which is all possible in HTML I believe but I've never done before so there'd be that learning curve. Ah but then there are HTML indexing packages -- off I go to investigate!<<< Just make sure that you have a good idea of their requirements. They may be looking for something to work with their current database software. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:27:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Maria Coughlin Subject: THANKS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All: We've got all the indexers we need for the cognitive neurosciences emergency index. I've learned that there are lots of ready, willing, and able Med-Sci indexers out there. Suzanne Peake, who handles our multi-indexer projects, asked me to thank everyone who called or sent e-mail, and we both apologize for not answering all e-mail individually! We are compiling a list of all who replied (including those who missed out on this book), for our future use and for referral to the packager (we'll send her all the info on all who replied). So... Thanks to *everyone* who replied to my call for help. We found our 13 indexers so quickly, I could barely believe it, and I'm very grateful. Suzanne has forwarded the list of indexers to the packager, and all packages with page proof should arrive Thursday Sept 9. Enjoy your weekend!! Maria ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:44:28 -0700 Reply-To: Homer Ellison Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Homer Ellison Subject: Re: What about Literary Marketplace (LMP)? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01BEFA11.08D7C8E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01BEFA11.08D7C8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any comments regarding the use of LMP versus Writer's = Market or Writer's Guide? Thank you, Homer -----Original Message----- From: Ardith Ayotte, R.T. To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU = Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 6:48 AM Subject: What about Literary Marketplace (LMP)? =20 =20 Dear Listmembers,=20 =20 Yes, some of us are working, in my case marketing, on this "holiday" = week-end. We are going to have lots of rain, anyway, here on the East = Coast! So, it's working weather. =20 I am wondering how many of you are signed up on the web for LMP? It = is $389 annually and really LOADED with marketing information. Is this = worthwile? Or should I spend my time sitting at the library taking = notes, addresses, 800 numbers from the chained-to-the-wall reference = copy. Is this a worthwhile write-off? OR, should I just purchase the = LMP about every 3-5 years, or so, to have on hand at home for those = lulls in indexing when I need to do more marketing? =20 What think ye, list? =20 Ardith Ayotte ABBA Index Services abbaindx@crosslink.net OR Index-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01BEFA11.08D7C8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does anyone have any comments = regarding the use=20 of LMP versus Writer's Market or Writer's Guide?
 
Thank you,
 
Homer
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Ardith Ayotte, R.T. <abbaindx@CROSSLINK.NET>
= To:=20 INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU=20 <INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU>
Date:=20 Saturday, September 04, 1999 6:48 AM
Subject: What = about=20 Literary Marketplace (LMP)?

Dear Listmembers,
 
Yes, some of us are working, in my case = marketing, on this=20 "holiday" week-end.  We are going to have lots of = rain,=20 anyway, here on the East Coast!  So, it's working = weather.
 
I am wondering how many of you are signed up on = the web=20 for LMP?  It is $389 annually and really LOADED with marketing=20 information.  Is this worthwile?  Or should I spend my = time=20 sitting at the library taking notes, addresses, 800 numbers from the = chained-to-the-wall reference copy.  Is this a worthwhile=20 write-off?  OR, should I just purchase the LMP about every 3-5 = years,=20 or so, to have on hand at home for those lulls in indexing when I = need to do=20 more marketing?
 
What think ye, list?
 
Ardith Ayotte
ABBA Index Services
OR Index-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU
------=_NextPart_000_0084_01BEFA11.08D7C8E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:07:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: Re: software for searchable index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keith McQuay wrote: > > Someone else suggested exporting to HTML (which I like better actually) > except I'd like to provide a search interface and a database with the data > sitting in fields. Which is all possible in HTML I believe but I've never > done before so there'd be that learning curve. Ah but then there are HTML > indexing packages -- off I go to investigate! If you create a back-of-the-book index for presentation in HTML, the browser's built-in Find command may be all the "search interface" the client needs. --David ============================= David M. Brown - Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com ============================= A V A I L A B L E N O W ! http://www.html-indexer.com/ HTML Indexer 3.1, still the easiest way to create and maintain back-of-the-book indexes for web sites and other HTML documents. Now including options for HTML Help and JavaHelp indexes, too! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:46:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: susanhernandez@JUNO.COM Subject: Re: What about Literary Marketplace (LMP)? > >Does anyone have any comments regarding the use of LMP versus Writer's >= >Market or Writer's Guide? > >Thank you, Homer, I have used them both for marketing research, and I found the LMP to be much more complete and easier to use. The Writer's Market seems to have less than 1/3 (rough estimate) of the number of publishers that the LMP has, and the WM run-in format in the subject headings is very hard to read and keep track of your place with. I suspect the WM has fewer publishers because the focus is different, and the publishers might have to pay a fee to be in it. (Maybe they do in the LMP, also, I don't really know.) The WM is much less expensive than the LMP, and recent versions come with a CD-ROM. A friend of mine has this, and I asked him to do a search by subject and send me the list of publishers it came up with. Not only was the list extremely short compared to the LMP, the fancy CD didn't even include addresses and phone numbers, so I had to look everything up in the book, anyway. My friend thought he had found every publisher that met his criteria, but when I showed him the LMP, he was shocked at how much more it offered. - Susan *************************************** Susan Danzi Hernandez BookEnd Indexing susanhernandez@juno.com (316) 789-0576 (Kansas) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:27:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: larryNOSPAMh123@HOME.COM Subject: MEETING NOTICE- Twin Cities Chapter, ASI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" You are invited to join the Twin Cities Chapter of ASI at our fall meeting on Saturday, October 16, 1999 from 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM. The meeting will be held at the Merriam Park Library in Saint Paul, Minnesota. This meeting will begin with a panel of experienced indexers answering common questions about starting and running an indexing business. Each panelist will have a set of prepared answers to a few common questions. After those have been answered there will be time for questions from the audience. Everyone is invited to bring their favorite reference books, and links to reference web sites, to the meeting; we will wrap up with a show-and-tell session on these materials. This isn't just a meeting for new and "wanna-be" indexers; everyone can learn from hearing how other people run their businesses, and what reference sources they find most useful. The library is located at the corner of Marshall and Fairview Avenues in Saint Paul. Contact me directly for more information. Regards, Larry Harrison Co-Webmaster American Society of Indexers http://asindexing.org/ and Secretary/Treasurer, Twin Cities Chapter [please remove NOSPAM to email me directly] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:23:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: URL for HTML Course MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011B_01BEFABE.275BA400" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BEFABE.275BA400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear fellow Indexers, Dwight Walker sent me this URL and it is so very helpful I just had to = share it with you. http://www.wwwalker.com.au/webcourse.html Ardith Ayotte ABBA Index Services ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BEFABE.275BA400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear fellow Indexers,
 
Dwight Walker sent me this URL and it is so very = helpful I=20 just had to share it with you.
 
http://www.wwwalker.co= m.au/webcourse.html
 
Ardith Ayotte
ABBA Index Services
------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BEFABE.275BA400-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:02:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Indexing for Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01BEFAC3.8FC0DA60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01BEFAC3.8FC0DA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found this at ASI site: "Beyond Book Indexing: How to Get Started in Web Indexing, Embedded Indexing, and Other Computer-Based Media, edited by Marilyn Rowland and=20 Diane Brenner, = to be published Fall 1999.=20 Are you curious about new indexing technologies? = Would you like to develop and create innovative indexes = that provide access to online resources, multimedia, or = online help? Do you want to learn new skills and expand your marketing possibilities? In Beyond Book Indexing, 12 articles written by 10 noted indexing professionals provide an in-depth look at current and emerging computer-based technologies and offer suggestions for obtaining work in these fields. Extensive references = and a glossary round out this informative and exciting new book. =20 Price: $25.00 for ASI members, $31.25 for nonmembers = " TTFN, Ardith ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01BEFAC3.8FC0DA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Found this at ASI site:
 
"Beyond Book Indexing: How to Get Started in=20 Web
           =        =20 Indexing, Embedded Indexing, and=20 Other
          &nbs= p;       =20 Computer-Based Media, edited by Marilyn Rowland = and 
        =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             Diane Brenner,=20 to be published Fall 1999.=20
           &nb= sp;      =20 Are you curious about new indexing technologies?=20 Would
          &nbs= p;       =20 you like to develop and create innovative indexes=20 that
           = ;       =20 provide access to online resources, multimedia, or=20 online
          &nb= sp;       =20 help? Do you want to learn new skills and expand=20 your
           = ;       =20 marketing possibilities? In Beyond Book Indexing,=20 12
           &= nbsp;      =20 articles written by 10 noted indexing=20 professionals
         &n= bsp;        =20 provide an in-depth look at current and=20 emerging
          &= nbsp;       =20 computer-based technologies and offer suggestions=20 for
           =        =20 obtaining work in these fields. Extensive references and=20 a
           &n= bsp;      =20 glossary round out this informative and exciting=20 new
           =        =20 book. =20
           &nb= sp;      =20 Price: $25.00 for ASI members,  $31.25 for nonmembers = "
 
TTFN, Ardith
------=_NextPart_000_0153_01BEFAC3.8FC0DA60-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:12:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Indexing for Internet 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016A_01BEFAC5.012BC6A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01BEFAC5.012BC6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, FOLLOW-UP TO PREVIOUS MISSIVE! Information Today, Inc. prints the ASI publications. I noted in = previous e-mail: Beyond Book Indexing, but I just called to order it and = it is not yet for sale. I was instructed to call back in early October = to order it. If you are interested, ordering information is below: Information Today, Inc=20 143 Old Marlton Pike =20 Medford, NJ 08055 =20 Phone: 1-800-300-9868 (or 609-654-6266) =20 Fax: 609-654-4309 =20 E-mail: custserv@infotoday.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01BEFAC5.012BC6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear List,  FOLLOW-UP TO PREVIOUS = MISSIVE!
 
Information Today, Inc. prints the ASI=20 publications.   I noted in previous e-mail: Beyond=20 Book Indexing, but I just called to order it and it is not yet = for=20 sale.  I was instructed to call back in early October to order=20 it.  If you are interested, ordering information is=20 below:
 
Information Today, Inc=20
           &nb= sp;    =20 143 Old Marlton Pike =20
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------=_NextPart_000_016A_01BEFAC5.012BC6A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: dlwitt@concentric.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: MEETING NOTICE- Twin Cities Chapter, ASI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry: I would really love to come to this, but will be in Providence for Brown's Parents Weekend. If there is any chance of a reschedule, let me know. Otherwise I'll try to make the next meeting. Diana larryNOSPAMh123@HOME.COM wrote: > You are invited to join the Twin Cities Chapter of ASI at our fall > meeting on Saturday, October 16, 1999 from 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM. The > meeting will be held at the Merriam Park Library in Saint Paul, > Minnesota. > > This meeting will begin with a panel of experienced indexers > answering common questions about starting and running an indexing > business. Each panelist will have a set of prepared answers to a few > common questions. After those have been answered there will be time > for questions from the audience. Everyone is invited to bring their > favorite reference books, and links to reference web sites, to the > meeting; we will wrap up with a show-and-tell session on these > materials. > > This isn't just a meeting for new and "wanna-be" indexers; everyone > can learn from hearing how other people run their businesses, and > what reference sources they find most useful. > > The library is located at the corner of Marshall and Fairview Avenues > in Saint Paul. Contact me directly for more information. > > Regards, > Larry Harrison > Co-Webmaster > American Society of Indexers http://asindexing.org/ > and Secretary/Treasurer, Twin Cities Chapter > [please remove NOSPAM to email me directly] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:34 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Indexing for Internet 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I have been through the book, while it was in the production stage, and it *is* excellent. I know it is going to be published very shortly, and it is excellent -- well worth waiting for. So give ITI into October and try again. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:46:56 -0700 Reply-To: indexer@ibm.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Sherry L. Smith" Subject: pattern recognition; off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who may be "into patterns", today is a rare day in this millennium. We can numerically date all of our correspondence as 9/9/99. There will be a slight wait for the next such event. Sherry Sherry L Smith INDEXING SERVICES 63505 Bridle Lane Bend, OR 97701 541 382 6414 (voice & fax) indexer@ibm.net President, Pacific Northwest Chapter/American Society of Indexers 1999-2000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:13:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Organization: Binghamton University Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Indexer] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:24:28 -0700 > >From: "Larry Lesser" > >Organization: Milken Family Foundation > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: info@asindexing.org > >Subject: Indexer > > > >I am looking for someone to index transcripts of video interviews with > >composers and performers. The subject is American Jewish Music. > > > >Please contact; > >Lawrence Lesser > >Milken Family Foundation > >1250 Fourth Street 4th Floor > >Santa Monica, Ca.90401 > > > >Phone - 310 - 998 - 3052 > > > >Thank You > > -- Charlotte Skuster Science Reference/Health Science Bibliographer Binghamton University Science Library P. O. Box 6012 Binghamton, NY 13902-6012 Phone: (607) 777-4122 Fax: (607) 777-2274 skuster@binghamton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:30:23 -0800 Reply-To: woolstons@earthlink.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Woolston Subject: Insurance--a bit off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Have any of you had experience with the National Association of the Self Employed (NASE)? We met with a rep today because we need to get insured. In addition to health insurance, they provide many other services--something like Triple A for car problems for example. The monthly membership fee is $6.00 at the no-fringe benefits level and $30 at the mid-range. The rep also said that they have a system whereby 100% of med insurance and costs are tax deductible, which seems a little too good to be true. The premiums seem ok, but not zippity-doo-dah great. Long story short: If you have had an experience with this group, can you tell me how it worked out for you? Blythe Woolston woolstons@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:43:28 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MiRobin Subject: Re: INDEX-L Digest - 7 Sep 1999 to 8 Sep 1999 (#1999-40) In-Reply-To: <199909090402.AAA28565@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's a puzzling little piece of quasi-technical info: I subscribed fine to index-L through a Unix shell, with PINE; but I failed repeatedly to subscribe to Copyediting-L the same way; and succeeded with CeL only when I sent my request through a POP email application (Netscape Messenger, in this case). All other factors remained constant, as far as I can tell. Thanks to those who encouraged me to keep trying. -- Webster ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:08:03 -0800 Reply-To: woolstons@earthlink.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Woolston Subject: Re: Insurance Comments: cc: Indexlady@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote <> Dawn wrote <> Actually, the odd bit was that 100 percent of medical expenses would be deductible. We still use the the standard deduction method (yes, we check each year to see if itemizing will improve our lot. . .) and have never come close to spending more than 7 percent of our income on medical care. And I hope it stays that way :) Publication 334 indicates a 60 percent deduction for medical insurance for 1999, but I'm going to take a look at the information Dawn recommended to see if I'm overlooking something there. Blythe Woolston ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:04 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nina Forrest Subject: Business cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFB6C.68846760" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFB6C.68846760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Collective Wisdom, I am thinking of getting new business cards printed to use for marketing = and am interested in the best way to describe book indexing. When = sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've contacted, the term = indexing is understood, but when giving my business card out by itself = for general networking, I don't think the term indexing by itself is = meaningful. Do others use "book indexing" or "back-of-the-book indexing" = or some other variation on their cards? It's hard enough to describe in = several sentences what a book indexer does, let alone on a business = card. Thanks, Nina Nina Forrest Looking Up Indexing Service ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFB6C.68846760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Collective Wisdom,
I am thinking of getting new = business cards=20 printed to use for marketing and am interested in the best way to = describe book=20 indexing. When sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've = contacted, the=20 term indexing is understood, but when giving my business card out by = itself for=20 general networking, I don't think the term indexing by itself is = meaningful. Do=20 others use "book indexing" or "back-of-the-book = indexing" or=20 some other variation on their cards?  It's hard enough to describe = in=20 several sentences what a book indexer does, let alone on a business=20 card.
 
Thanks,
Nina
 
Nina Forrest
Looking Up Indexing=20 Service
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFB6C.68846760-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:46:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: New-word-itis Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I received mail the other day about a project that involves "concising" a larger work. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is a newie in my vocabulary. Is this "condensing" (as in Reader's Digest Condensed Books), or is something else involved? Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (mailto:hazelcb@digitalexp.com), Tallahassee, Florida, USA You know you're drinking too much coffee when you find you've completed another sweater--and you don't know how to knit. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:04:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: job op Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, here's a job op for someone who speaks Italian and is interested in a 600 page single volume encycopedia on Dante. I've turned it away as I'm on vacation. Also no speaka the Italian. Don't know much more about it. If you're qualified and interested send email to judya@stratfordpublishing.com She says no attached files, please, just a regualar email and no followup phone calls or anything. If she's interested she'll email you back or call you. Please don't ask me anything. You know what I know. Good luck, Rachel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:26:28 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: New-word-itis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hazel asks: >I received mail the other day about a project that involves "concising" a >larger work. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is a newie in my vocabulary. Is this >"condensing" (as in Reader's Digest Condensed Books), or is something else >involved? >Hazel >Hazel Blumberg-McKee (mailto:hazelcb@digitalexp.com), Tallahassee, Florida, >USA >You know you're drinking too much coffee when you find you've completed >another sweater--and you don't know how to knit. > > Indexing dictionary definition: to concise (verb) concised, concising. To cut entries to bare bones with as little wording as possible. Antonym: to bulk, bulked, bulking Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com (with tongue firmly in cheek and coffee in hand) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:00:26 -0700 Reply-To: jeanmidd@prodigy.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Middleton Subject: Re: Business cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D55EBFF702BF3C851A1514DC" --------------D55EBFF702BF3C851A1514DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use "Back-of-the-Book Indexing" on my cards. However, someone suggested I shorten it to "Book Indexing" since it means the same. I prefer the former because it leaves no doubt about what type of indexing I do. I also have a statement at the bottom of my letterhead: "For your back-of-the-book indexing needs." The suggestion was made that I should not limit myself and write instead: "For all your indexing needs." Since I do not feel qualified as yet to do Web indexing, I felt I should limit my statement. Any comments? Jean Middleton, Indexer IndexEmpire Indexing Services http://www.indexempire.com Riverside, California Nina Forrest wrote: > Collective Wisdom,I am thinking of getting new business cards printed > to use for marketing and am interested in the best way to describe > book indexing. When sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've > contacted, the term indexing is understood, but when giving my > business card out by itself for general networking, I don't think the > term indexing by itself is meaningful. Do others use "book indexing" > or "back-of-the-book indexing" or some other variation on their > cards? It's hard enough to describe in several sentences what a book > indexer does, let alone on a business card. Thanks,Nina Nina > ForrestLooking Up Indexing Service --------------D55EBFF702BF3C851A1514DC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use "Back-of-the-Book Indexing" on my cards. However, someone suggested I shorten it to "Book Indexing" since it means the same. I prefer the former because it leaves no doubt about what type of indexing I do.

I also have a statement at the bottom of my letterhead: "For your back-of-the-book indexing needs." The suggestion was made that I should not limit myself and write instead: "For all your indexing needs." Since I do not feel qualified as yet to do Web indexing, I felt I should limit my statement.  Any comments?

Jean Middleton, Indexer
IndexEmpire Indexing Services
http://www.indexempire.com
Riverside, California

Nina Forrest wrote:

 Collective Wisdom,I am thinking of getting new business cards printed to use for marketing and am interested in the best way to describe book indexing. When sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've contacted, the term indexing is understood, but when giving my business card out by itself for general networking, I don't think the term indexing by itself is meaningful. Do others use "book indexing" or "back-of-the-book indexing" or some other variation on their cards?  It's hard enough to describe in several sentences what a book indexer does, let alone on a business card. Thanks,Nina Nina ForrestLooking Up Indexing Service
--------------D55EBFF702BF3C851A1514DC-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:32:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Re: Business cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BEFBAA.078F5A80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BEFBAA.078F5A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Nina,=20 I think your business name "Looking Up Indexing Service" says enough. A = business card is not a complete advertisement, it is a very short form = of information to get the prospective client to you - phone, email, = dogsled, whatever. The less that MUST be on the card, the happier the one reading the card. = When it is jammed with too much information, it is a thorn.=20 Your business name says you index, then the contact from the client will = give you the opportunity to speak directly with client. Don't let your = business card deter prospective callers. If you start to get calls for = other than what you can provide, you can still provide assistance, which = means giving guidance to the ASI so they can find a Web indexer, = referring the caller to someone directly, etc. This way, they will remember you as (1)your business name, (2)helpful = and courteous , (3) for their next BOTB index job. If you are enclosing a business card with a cover letter, etc., the = letter will explain what you do index. IMHO, Ardith=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BEFBAA.078F5A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Nina,
 
I think your business name "Looking Up Indexing = Service" says=20 enough.  A business card is not a complete advertisement, it is a = very=20 short form of information to get the prospective client to you - = phone,=20 email, dogsled, whatever.
 
The less that MUST be on the card, the happier the = one reading=20 the card.  When it is jammed with too much information, it is a = thorn.=20
 
Your business name says you index, then the contact = from the=20 client will give you the opportunity to speak directly with = client.  Don't=20 let your business card deter prospective callers.  If you start to = get=20 calls for other than what you can provide, you can still provide = assistance,=20 which means giving guidance to the ASI so they can find a Web indexer, = referring=20 the caller to someone directly, etc.
 
This way, they will remember you as (1)your business = name,=20 (2)helpful and courteous , (3) for their next BOTB index = job.
 
If you are enclosing a business card with a cover = letter,=20 etc., the letter will explain what you do index.
 
IMHO,
Ardith
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BEFBAA.078F5A80-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:02:15 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@AOL.COM Subject: indexing Indonesian names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone recently asked about Indonesian names; sorry that I've misplace the original post. I forwarded the request to my brother-in-law, who lives in Indonesia and is married to a Javanese woman. Here's his reply: You came to the right place for the info. The Pak Tjokro is easy. In the Indonesian language, Pak is the equivalent of "Mr." Even I am known as Pak Jonathan. It would be correct to list him as Tjokro, Pak. As for the "Ki" 's, I had to consult the expert, as it could be a title from any one of the numerous ethnic tribes in the archipelago. Fortunately, Sekti recognized it right off as a term from the highest of the 3-tiered Javanese tribal language of central Java. Its kind of like the equivalent of "master", which recognizes the bearer of being on a higher intellectual plane than the general populace. It's correct to put "Ki" (pronounced "kee") after a comma after their name for directory purposes. It would be incorrect and not really respectful to leave the "Ki" out. Hope this helps... Peg Mauer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:56:30 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: klrsak@ONEIMAGE.COM Subject: Re: New-word-itis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe please -----Original Message----- From: Lillian Ashworth To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:33 AM Subject: Re: New-word-itis >Hazel asks: > >>I received mail the other day about a project that involves "concising" a >>larger work. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is a newie in my vocabulary. Is this >>"condensing" (as in Reader's Digest Condensed Books), or is something else >>involved? > >>Hazel >>Hazel Blumberg-McKee (mailto:hazelcb@digitalexp.com), Tallahassee, Florida, >>USA >>You know you're drinking too much coffee when you find you've completed >>another sweater--and you don't know how to knit. >> >> > >Indexing dictionary definition: > >to concise (verb) concised, concising. To cut entries to bare bones with as >little wording as possible. Antonym: to bulk, bulked, bulking > >Lillian Ashworth >ashworth@pullman.com >(with tongue firmly in cheek and coffee in hand) > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:28:34 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Organization: Keyword Editorial Services Subject: Re: Business cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEFC8B.D6CF0DE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEFC8B.D6CF0DE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001E_01BEFC8B.D6CF0DE0" ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01BEFC8B.D6CF0DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nina: Two solutions: a) use the back of the card to print additional explanatory information b) have a "shell" printed, that is, just with a logo and business name = (several cards on standard-sized cardstock) and print using your own = printer specific information and information that may change -- like = phone number, address, your own name (one day you may have a helper), = fax, email etc. Use a small guillotine to chop up the sheets to = business-card size. That way you can have a specific card for each type = of service you offer. I have a card that gives my designation as = "Registered Indexer" (that being the Australian version of indexing = certification), another that says "Editor" (another of my hats) and one = that just says "Director", and I can add more as my skills increase. It = also lets you have a two-colour card -- the information printed by you = in black, the shell in a contrasting colour.=20 Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 keyword@ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nina Forrest=20 To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, 10 September, 1999 8:11 Subject: Business cards Collective Wisdom, I am thinking of getting new business cards printed to use for = marketing and am interested in the best way to describe book indexing. = When sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've contacted, the term = indexing is understood, but when giving my business card out by itself = for general networking, I don't think the term indexing by itself is = meaningful. Do others use "book indexing" or "back-of-the-book indexing" = or some other variation on their cards? It's hard enough to describe in = several sentences what a book indexer does, let alone on a business = card. =20 Thanks, Nina =20 Nina Forrest Looking Up Indexing Service ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01BEFC8B.D6CF0DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nina:
 
Two solutions:
 
a) use the back of the card to print additional = explanatory=20 information
b) have a "shell" printed, that is, just with a logo = and=20 business name (several cards on standard-sized cardstock) and print = using your=20 own printer specific information and information that may change -- = like=20 phone number, address, your own name (one day you may have a = helper), fax,=20 email etc. Use a small guillotine to chop up the sheets to business-card = size.=20 That way you can have a specific card for each type of service you = offer. I have=20 a card that gives my designation as "Registered Indexer" (that being the = Australian version of indexing certification), another that says = "Editor"=20 (another of my hats) and one that just says "Director", and I can add = more as my=20 skills increase. It also lets you have a two-colour card -- the = information=20 printed by you in black, the shell in a contrasting colour. =
 
Michael Wyatt
Keyword Editorial Services
22 = Kendall=20 Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia
Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331=20 7785
keyword@ozemail.com.au<= /DIV>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nina=20 Forrest
To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU=20
Sent: Friday, 10 September, = 1999=20 8:11
Subject: Business cards

Collective Wisdom,
I am thinking of getting new = business cards=20 printed to use for marketing and am interested in the best way to = describe=20 book indexing. When sending cards, resumes, etc. to publishers I've = contacted,=20 the term indexing is understood, but when giving my business card out = by=20 itself for general networking, I don't think the term indexing by = itself is=20 meaningful. Do others use "book indexing" or "back-of-the-book = indexing" or=20 some other variation on their cards?  It's hard enough to = describe in=20 several sentences what a book indexer does, let alone on a business=20 card.
 
Thanks,
Nina
 
Nina Forrest
Looking Up Indexing=20 Service
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I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the issues outlined above.  This is what I've come up with so far:  "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read.  For example, Sing Tai Chin will be found under C.  Chinese-Canadians with English first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry Chin is found under C."  My question:  Is this too wordy, and if so, any suggestions for how to rephrase it?

Thanks for your help!

Wendy --------------8157AFC7930A47A15912AD31-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:53:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: S Sweeney Subject: on-line legal dictionary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Index-L: I'm in need of an on-line legal reference site. Any suggestions? Many thanks, Sharon Sweeney ssweeney@ruraltel.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:13:15 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Chinese names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEFC46.A48F0820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEFC46.A48F0820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Wendy, Harry Chin would be indexed under C (Chin). Names, regardless of origin, = are always indexed under the family name. The tricky part of indexing = foreign names is to correctly identify the family name.=20 I don't index books for school age children so am not familiar with what = would be appropriate information in the index note. My experience is = that notes are used to explain how illustrations or tables are indicated = or to explain other conventions such as the use of passim etc. I've = never seen a note which explained how names (Chinese or otherwise) are = indexed. I can only imagine this to be necessary in very unusual = circumstances (and I am unable to even come up with a possible example). = However, that is just my own experience and, as I've said, I don't have = experience with school-age books. Though I probably wouldn't add a note = to explain a conventional indexing practice I would be interested in = hearing from indexers of school-age books. Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Scavuzzo To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU = Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: Chinese names =20 =20 I am currently indexing a reference text for children in Grade 9 and = I need some advice on Chinese names. I know that traditional Chinese = names are to be indexed as read, meaning that Sing Tai Chin would be = indexed under S. However, would the same rule apply to Chinese people = who have English first names? For example, Harry Chin -- should he be = indexed under C or H? My guess is that he should be under C, but I'd = like confirmation.=20 I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the = issues outlined above. This is what I've come up with so far: = "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read. For example, = Sing Tai Chin will be found under C. Chinese-Canadians with English = first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry Chin is found = under C." My question: Is this too wordy, and if so, any suggestions = for how to rephrase it?=20 Thanks for your help!=20 Wendy=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEFC46.A48F0820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Wendy,
 
Harry Chin would be indexed under C (Chin). Names, = regardless=20 of origin, are always indexed under the family name. The tricky part of = indexing=20 foreign names is to correctly identify the family name.
 
I don't index books for school age children so am = not familiar=20 with what would be appropriate information in the index note. My = experience is=20 that notes are used to explain how illustrations or tables are indicated = or to=20 explain other conventions such as the use of passim  etc. = I've=20 never seen a note which explained how names (Chinese or otherwise) are = indexed.=20 I can only imagine this to be necessary in very unusual circumstances = (and I am=20 unable to even come up with a possible example).
 
However, that is just my own experience and, as I've = said, I=20 don't have experience with school-age books. Though I probably wouldn't = add a=20 note to explain a conventional indexing practice I would be interested = in=20 hearing from indexers of school-age books.
 
Best,
Sylvia Coates
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Wendy Scavuzzo <wscavuzz@PATHCOM.COM>
T= o:=20 INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU=20 <INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU>
Date:=20 Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:08 PM
Subject: Chinese=20 names

I am currently indexing a reference text = for=20 children in Grade 9 and I need some advice on Chinese names.  I = know=20 that traditional Chinese names are to be indexed as read, meaning = that Sing=20 Tai Chin would be indexed under S.  However, would the same = rule apply=20 to Chinese people who have English first names?  For example, = Harry=20 Chin -- should he be indexed under C or H?  My guess is that he = should=20 be under C, but I'd like confirmation.=20

I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the = issues=20 outlined above.  This is what I've come up with so far: =20 "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read.  = For=20 example, Sing Tai Chin will be found under C.  = Chinese-Canadians with=20 English first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry = Chin is=20 found under C."  My question:  Is this too wordy, and = if so,=20 any suggestions for how to rephrase it?=20

Thanks for your help!=20

Wendy

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEFC46.A48F0820-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:17:26 -0700 Reply-To: jeanmidd@prodigy.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Middleton Subject: Re: Chinese names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------46DB4DBADFE91AB73A06FF4D" --------------46DB4DBADFE91AB73A06FF4D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy Scavuzzo wrote: > I am currently indexing a reference text for children in Grade 9 and I > need some advice on Chinese names. I know that traditional Chinese > names are to be indexed as read, meaning that Sing Tai Chin would be > indexed under S. However, would the same rule apply to Chinese people > who have English first names? For example, Harry Chin -- should he be > indexed under C or H? My guess is that he should be under C, but I'd > like confirmation. > > I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the > issues outlined above. This is what I've come up with so far: > "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read. For example, > Sing Tai Chin will be found under C. Chinese-Canadians with English > first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry Chin is found > under C." My question: Is this too wordy, and if so, any suggestions > for how to rephrase it? > > Thanks for your help! > > Wendy Wendy, I believe your headnote is fine. To shorten it, just omit the examples. Your definitions are clear and should be so even to 9th graders. Jean Middleton, Indexer IndexEmpire Indexing Services http://www.indexempire.com Riverside, California --------------46DB4DBADFE91AB73A06FF4D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy Scavuzzo wrote:
I am currently indexing a reference text for children in Grade 9 and I need some advice on Chinese names.  I know that traditional Chinese names are to be indexed as read, meaning that Sing Tai Chin would be indexed under S.  However, would the same rule apply to Chinese people who have English first names?  For example, Harry Chin -- should he be indexed under C or H?  My guess is that he should be under C, but I'd like confirmation.

I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the issues outlined above.  This is what I've come up with so far:  "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read.  For example, Sing Tai Chin will be found under C.  Chinese-Canadians with English first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry Chin is found under C."  My question:  Is this too wordy, and if so, any suggestions for how to rephrase it?

Thanks for your help!

Wendy

Wendy,

I believe your headnote is fine. To shorten it, just omit the examples. Your definitions are clear and should be so even to 9th graders.

Jean Middleton, Indexer
IndexEmpire Indexing Services
http://www.indexempire.com
Riverside, California
  --------------46DB4DBADFE91AB73A06FF4D-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:25:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: on-line legal dictionary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try http://www.wwlia.org/diction.htm for a dictionary, and the category "Law" under the librarian's index to the internet: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/InternetIndex/ ----- Original Message ----- From: S Sweeney To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:53 AM Subject: on-line legal dictionary > Dear Index-L: > > I'm in need of an on-line legal reference site. Any suggestions? > > Many thanks, > > Sharon Sweeney > ssweeney@ruraltel.net > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:26:15 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Chinese names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BEFC48.758A5F00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BEFC48.758A5F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I just thought of some exceptions to the indexed under family name rule! = Leonardo da Vinci is indexed under "L" not "V." Not to mention several = well known titled figures and names like "Voltaire" which is not his = family name) etc. I need to remember that cardinal indexing rule "never = say never" :-) ! It is amazing to me the amount of miscellaneous information required to = function as an indexer! Wouldn't it be a kick to have a trivial pursuit = contest at one of the annual indexing conventions? Now that would be a = fascinating event! Best, Sylvia Coates Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Scavuzzo To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU = Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: Chinese names =20 =20 I am currently indexing a reference text for children in Grade 9 and = I need some advice on Chinese names. I know that traditional Chinese = names are to be indexed as read, meaning that Sing Tai Chin would be = indexed under S. However, would the same rule apply to Chinese people = who have English first names? For example, Harry Chin -- should he be = indexed under C or H? My guess is that he should be under C, but I'd = like confirmation.=20 I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the = issues outlined above. This is what I've come up with so far: = "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read. For example, = Sing Tai Chin will be found under C. Chinese-Canadians with English = first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry Chin is found = under C." My question: Is this too wordy, and if so, any suggestions = for how to rephrase it?=20 Thanks for your help!=20 Wendy=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BEFC48.758A5F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,
 
I just thought of some exceptions to the indexed = under family=20 name rule! Leonardo da Vinci is indexed under "L" not = "V."=20 Not to mention several well known titled figures and names like=20 "Voltaire" which is not his family name) etc. I need to = remember that=20 cardinal indexing rule "never say never" :-) !
 
It is amazing to me the amount of miscellaneous = information=20 required to function as an indexer! Wouldn't it be a kick to have a = trivial=20 pursuit contest at one of the annual indexing conventions? Now that = would be a=20 fascinating event!
 
Best,
Sylvia Coates
 
Best,
Sylvia Coates
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Wendy Scavuzzo <wscavuzz@PATHCOM.COM>
T= o:=20 INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU=20 <INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU>
Date:=20 Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:08 PM
Subject: Chinese=20 names

I am currently indexing a reference text = for=20 children in Grade 9 and I need some advice on Chinese names.  I = know=20 that traditional Chinese names are to be indexed as read, meaning = that Sing=20 Tai Chin would be indexed under S.  However, would the same = rule apply=20 to Chinese people who have English first names?  For example, = Harry=20 Chin -- should he be indexed under C or H?  My guess is that he = should=20 be under C, but I'd like confirmation.=20

I plan to put a note at the beginning of the index indicating the = issues=20 outlined above.  This is what I've come up with so far: =20 "Traditional Chinese names are indexed as they are read.  = For=20 example, Sing Tai Chin will be found under C.  = Chinese-Canadians with=20 English first names will be indexed by last name, e.g., Harry = Chin is=20 found under C."  My question:  Is this too wordy, and = if so,=20 any suggestions for how to rephrase it?=20

Thanks for your help!=20

Wendy

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BEFC48.758A5F00-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:50:11 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Names and exceptions (was Chinese names) In-Reply-To: <002e01befc48$776f99c0$1bb2accf@indiana> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: nkoenig Subject: Re: Chinese names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEFC60.4D6E8060" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEFC60.4D6E8060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wendy, to the previous comments I will add a further complication. =20 Some modern Chinese have begun to Westernize their names by inverting them. I am always suspicious when I see a Chinese "first name" that is hyphenated. So far, I have=20 always found that the individual is following the Western mode rather than the traditional Chinese mode of family name first. In such cases, the names are indexed as similar Western names are. I just finished a project with LOTS of Chinese names and I had to be very careful. Some of the modern authors=20 discussed were following the Western fashion and=20 appeared in the bibliography accordingly. Nick Koenig ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEFC60.4D6E8060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wendy, to the previous comments I will add a=20 further
complication. 
 
Some modern Chinese have begun to Westernize their
names by inverting them.  I am always suspicious when I
see a Chinese "first name" that is hyphenated.  So = far, I=20 have
always found that the individual is following the Western
mode rather than the traditional Chinese mode of family
name first.  In such cases, the names are indexed as
similar Western names are.
 
I just finished a project with LOTS of Chinese names and
I had to be very careful.  Some of the modern authors
discussed were following the Western fashion and
appeared in the bibliography accordingly.
 
Nick Koenig
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEFC60.4D6E8060-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:11:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Miscellaneous information (was Chinese names) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01BEFC91.E3B68640" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BEFC91.E3B68640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a great idea for the convention. I have developed an = addiction to crossword puzzles in recent years - a great way to use all = that miscellaneous information. ;-) Now I have started creating = crossword puzzles; I figure making them up is as much fun as solving = them, and maybe I will eventually manage to sell some instead of = spending money buying puzzle books. No, it doesn't pay much, but better = to get paid a little for something you would do for fun anyway. Ann Truesdale Sylvia wrote: It is amazing to me the amount of miscellaneous information required = to function as an indexer! Wouldn't it be a kick to have a trivial = pursuit contest at one of the annual indexing conventions? Now that = would be a fascinating event! =20 Best, Sylvia Coates ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BEFC91.E3B68640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like a great idea for the = convention. I have=20 developed an addiction to crossword puzzles in recent years - a great = way to use=20 all that miscellaneous information. ;-)  Now I have started = creating=20 crossword puzzles; I figure making them up is as much fun as solving = them, and=20 maybe I will eventually manage to sell some instead of spending money = buying=20 puzzle books. No, it doesn't pay much, but better to get paid a = little for=20 something you would do for fun anyway.
 
Ann Truesdale
 
Sylvia wrote:
It is amazing to me the amount of miscellaneous = information=20 required to function as an indexer! Wouldn't it be a kick to have a = trivial=20 pursuit contest at one of the annual indexing conventions? Now that = would be a=20 fascinating event!
 
Best,
Sylvia = Coates
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BEFC91.E3B68640-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:28:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: S Sweeney Subject: Re: on-line legal dictionary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestions. The librarian's index to the internet is a definite bookmark for many topics. I appreciate the info. Sharon Sweeney ssweeney@ruraltel.net Charles Anderson wrote: > Try http://www.wwlia.org/diction.htm > for a dictionary, and > the category "Law" under the librarian's index to the internet: > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/InternetIndex/ > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: S Sweeney > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:53 AM > Subject: on-line legal dictionary > > > Dear Index-L: > > > > I'm in need of an on-line legal reference site. Any suggestions? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Sharon Sweeney > > ssweeney@ruraltel.net > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:31:59 +0100 Reply-To: Carolinediepeveen@compuserve.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Diepeveen Subject: Re: Names and exceptions (was Chinese names) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Chambers Biographical Dictionary also has Catherine de Medicis under Catherine and Leonardo da Vinci under Leonardo, with cross references from Medici and Vinci though. Caroline Diepeveen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-index-l@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > [mailto:owner-index-l@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of J. Naomi > Linzer > Sent: 11 September 1999 20:50 > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Names and exceptions (was Chinese names) > > > > > I just thought of some exceptions to the indexed under family name rule! > Leonardo da Vinci is indexed under "L" not "V." > > I recently found Catherine de Medici listed under Catherine in Webster's > Biographical Dictionary yet under Medici in a children's book on the > evolution of tableware and manners I am indexing for practice. Would one > normally index her under Catherine or am I not using the > information in the > biographical dictionary correctly? > > Naomi > > ****************************************************************** > ***********J. > J. Naomi Linzer > Indexing Services > POB 1341 > 459 Redway Drive > Redway, CA 95560 > (707) 923-4361 > jnlinzer@saber.net > ****************************************************************** > ************ > http://www.asindexing.org <-- American Society of Indexers website. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:00:54 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Catherine de Medici Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Melinda Davis writes off-list (with permission to quote): > >I looked in Chamber's Biographical Dictionary and Catherine de Medici and >Marie de Medici were both under their given names, Catherine and Marie. >There are entries under Medici for the family and for the men-folk (Cosimo, >Lorenzo, and Piero) and a see reference from Medici, Giovanni Angelo de to >Pius IV. It appears to me that the women are listed under their given names >because they became queens (of France). I can understand the logic NOW, but >I think it may be a bit subtle for the everyday reader who doesn't >alphabetize for a living! BTW, there were cross references from Medici to >Catherine and Marie. > Yes, this is exactly what I found. So, I guess sticking to convention I would index under C despite the fact that it may be a bit subtle for the everyday reader. What would you do? Naomi *****************************************************************************J. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 459 Redway Drive Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ****************************************************************************** http://www.asindexing.org <-- American Society of Indexers website. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:43:57 -0500 Reply-To: brigait1@airmail.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peter Brigaitis & Marie Nuchols Organization: Nuchols/Brigaitis World Headquarters Subject: South Central Chapter Meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0891B21133E26CF3678B4EA3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0891B21133E26CF3678B4EA3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ****************************************************** ****************************************************** South Central Chapter of the American Society of Indexers announces our 1999 Fall meeting and seminar: BASIC INDEXING presented by Kay Schlembach and Joanne Clendenen Experienced and beginning indexers will value this opportunity to build, review, and reinforce the fundamental skills of indexing. This fast-paced introduction to the basic concepts of classic back-of-the-book indexing techniques covers alphabetization, format, entry considerations, cross-references, and simple editing. Presented at both the 1998 and 1999 ASI national conferences, this seminar has received rave reviews from attendees. ** Audience: Those considering indexing as a career, writers, editors, or other publishing professionals who want to increase their knowledge of the indexing process. ** Presenters: Kay Schlembach and Joanne Clendenen (the founder and Past President of the South Central chapter) are working partners and freelance indexers in Houston, Texas. DATE & TIME October 16th Continental Breakfast from 8 am ^Ö 8:30 Seminar: 8:30 AM - 4:30 PM (with a break for lunch) Business meeting at the end of the day COST Members of the ASI: $45.00; $55.00 if registration is postmarked after October 12th Non-members of the ASI: $55.00; $65.00 if registration is postmarked after October 12th Students: $35.00; $45 if registration is postmarked after October 12th LUNCH The cost of lunch is included in the cost of registration. A box lunch will be provided by Jason^Òs Deli. Attendees will make their selections during the first morning break. LOCATION & DIRECTIONS Houston, Texas - 14650 FM 529 The Unitarian Universalist Church The meeting will be held in the Unitarian Universalist Church located in a small commercial center on FM 529 and Huffmeister in the Copperfield suburban in Houston. FROM AUSTIN: From 290, exit at Highway 6 and head south to FM 529. Turn left on 529 and go straight through the first traffic light. 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Naomi Linzer wrote: >I recently found Catherine de Medici listed under Catherine in Webster's >Biographical Dictionary yet under Medici in a children's book on the >evolution of tableware and manners I am indexing for practice. Would one >normally index her under Catherine or am I not using the information in the >biographical dictionary correctly? I've always been told to consider WBD the definitive reference if there are several ways to handle a particular name. Of course, that doesn't help much if the person is still alive , as WBD doesn't "do" living persons. Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:16:48 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:51 AM 9/4/99 -0400, Elliot Linzer wrote: > Textbooks are another matter. Some can go on forever, undergoing >periodic revisions. Samuelson's "Economics" stayed in print for decades, >especially after Samuelson won the first Noble Prize in economics. Samuelson is probably the "gold standard" of ever-living textbooks. I remember working on that book, in-house, as a production-editor-in-training back in the early 1970s, and it was already in its sixth or eighth edition! Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:56:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Blee811@AOL.COM Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 11:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sconroy@SLONET.ORG writes: << Samuelson is probably the "gold standard" of ever-living textbooks. I remember working on that book, in-house, as a production-editor-in-training back in the early 1970s, and it was already in its sixth or eighth edition! >> I've worked on 6 editions of a high school accounting textbook, currently titled Century 21 Accounting, which was first published in 1903! Samuelson's a newbie by comparison. Bill Lee ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:24:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Maria Coughlin Subject: HELP: Attachments that don't work Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several indexers have attempted to send us .dat files this morning, but the files keep coming through *inside* the message, instead of as attachments. Does anyone know what's going wrong? I dimly recall a discussion of this on a list, but I've never had the problem before. (We've received dozens of .dat files as attachments, so this is a new problem for us.) Help, please! A reply on list would be most helpful for everyone. Thanks! Maria ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:00:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria, I saw your message after sending my .dat file. To check on my transmission, I went back and forwarded it to myself. I saved it to a different directory, then imported it into a new index file (since I can't open it directly) and it read just fine. By any chance, are the indexers cutting and pasting the .dat file into the text of the message? Charles ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Korean Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Am I correct in assuming (can't locate a specific reference source for this) that Korean names are alphabetized according to the same principles as Chinese and Vietnamese? That is, the surname is first, so that Grandmaster Woo Jin Jung would be Woo Jin Jung, Grandmaster and not Jung, Woo Jin, Grandmaster Thanks./Dan ================================ Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ================================ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:26:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit When attachments end up as gobbelyguk in the text of an email I have sometimes used uudecode to decode them. It's a royal pain and a last resort -- sometimes a file can span more than one email even! I don't know why this happens, I think it has to do with the attachment being sent encoded in one format (Binhex, Base64, Mime, or maybe there is a uuencode format...) and you being set up to receive it in another or not recognizing it so it is read as text. You can download uudecode in lots of places. Here's the first I found: http://www.sinnfree.org/svinfaq/uudecode.html Keith McQuay Foreword Indexing Services 613-278-0426 http://foreword.pair.com keithm@superaje.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:52 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: Samuelson (was paper pile-up and recycling) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Elliot Linzer wrote: > >> Textbooks are another matter. Some can go on forever, undergoing >>periodic revisions. Samuelson's "Economics" stayed in print for decades, >>especially after Samuelson won the first Noble Prize in economics. > and Sonsie wrote: >Samuelson is probably the "gold standard" of ever-living textbooks. I >remember working on that book, in-house, as a production-editor-in-training >back in the early 1970s, and it was already in its sixth or eighth edition! > In the late 60s I was production editor for the University of Washington Graduate School of Business. At the time the school was launching a new financial journal --The Journal of Financial and Quantitative Analysis (JFQA)-- and Samuelson, who had just received his Nobel Prize was the star author for a two-part article which appeared in the first two issues of the quarterly journal. As I was proofing the first installment, I noted that something in the grammar of a sentence involving a large number of equations didn't make sense. I read it over several times and finally wrote him with the query (or possibly called; don't remember, life was slower back then). The upshot was that the typist had omitted a large amount of copy when the ms. was being typed. Samuelson thanked me profusely for finding the error and submitted 9 (yes nine!) pages of copy which had been omitted. I had to reformat the entire issue to work in the revisions and the journal was delayed several weeks. But at least I saved a Nobel laureate from having egg all over his face! One of the editors of that journal went on to receive his own Nobel Prize a few years ago. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:50:30 -0700 Reply-To: nkoenig Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: nkoenig Subject: Re: Korean Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are correct in this assumption. See the following for a rather extended discussion of Korean names: http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~pixeline/heeyun/korea/name.html Nick Koenig >Hi all, > >Am I correct in assuming (can't locate a specific reference source for this) >that Korean names are alphabetized according to the same principles as >Chinese and Vietnamese? That is, the surname is first, so that Grandmaster >Woo Jin Jung would be > >Woo Jin Jung, Grandmaster > >and not > >Jung, Woo Jin, Grandmaster > >Thanks./Dan >================================ >Daniel A. Connolly >mailto:connolly@neca.com >Word For Word Indexing Services >http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com >Woodstock, CT, USA >================================ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Re: Samuelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit snip "But at least I saved a Nobel laureate from having egg all over his face! One of the editors of that journal went on to receive his own Nobel Prize a few years ago." Lillian Ashworth ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillian Ashworth To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Samuelson (was paper pile-up and recycling) > Elliot Linzer wrote: > > > >> Textbooks are another matter. Some can go on forever, undergoing > >>periodic revisions. Samuelson's "Economics" stayed in print for decades, > >>especially after Samuelson won the first Noble Prize in economics. > > > > and Sonsie wrote: > > >Samuelson is probably the "gold standard" of ever-living textbooks. I > >remember working on that book, in-house, as a production-editor-in-training > >back in the early 1970s, and it was already in its sixth or eighth edition! > > > > In the late 60s I was production editor for the University of Washington > Graduate School of Business. At the time the school was launching a new > financial journal --The Journal of Financial and Quantitative Analysis > (JFQA)-- and Samuelson, who had just received his Nobel Prize was the star > author for a two-part article which appeared in the first two issues of the > quarterly journal. As I was proofing the first installment, I noted that > something in the grammar of a sentence involving a large number of equations > didn't make sense. I read it over several times and finally wrote him with > the query (or possibly called; don't remember, life was slower back then). > The upshot was that the typist had omitted a large amount of copy when the > ms. was being typed. Samuelson thanked me profusely for finding the error > and submitted 9 (yes nine!) pages of copy which had been omitted. I had to > reformat the entire issue to work in the revisions and the journal was > delayed several weeks. But at least I saved a Nobel laureate from having > egg all over his face! One of the editors of that journal went on to > receive his own Nobel Prize a few years ago. > > Lillian Ashworth So, where is Lillian's Nobel Prize for her caring, conscientious, and critical donation? Oh, that's right, it's much like parenting. The reward is in the doing GOOD itself. 8-) Thanks, Lillian, for the good example! Ardith ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:15:43 -0700 Reply-To: lemoine3@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lemoine Subject: Re: Korean Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. For the name Kim Il Sung, Kim is the surname. Nancy Lemoine ---------- > From: Dan Connolly > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Korean Names > Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:03 AM > > Hi all, > > Am I correct in assuming (can't locate a specific reference source for this) > that Korean names are alphabetized according to the same principles as > Chinese and Vietnamese? That is, the surname is first, so that Grandmaster > Woo Jin Jung would be > > Woo Jin Jung, Grandmaster > > and not > > Jung, Woo Jin, Grandmaster > > Thanks./Dan > ================================ > Daniel A. Connolly > mailto:connolly@neca.com > Word For Word Indexing Services > http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com > Woodstock, CT, USA > ================================ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:07:52 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: larryNOSPAMh123@HOME.COM Subject: on-line legal dictionary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" S Sweeney wrote: > Dear Index-L: > > I'm in need of an on-line legal reference site. Any suggestions? > > Many thanks, > > Sharon Sweeney > ssweeney@ruraltel.net > The ASI web site has some legal reference links for indexers. http://www.asindexing.org/refbooks.shtml#legal Larry Harrison [Remove NOSPAM from my email address to reply directly. Thanks.] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:20:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: pop artist names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think we recently had a similar discussion and want affirmation. The artist Snoop Doggy Dogg should appear in the index in that order, and not as Dogg, Snoop Snoopy, right? tia, Craig Craig Brown The Last Word Indexing Services (314) 352-9094 lastword@mindspring.com www.i1.net/~lastword ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:23:48 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Maria, The indexers need to zip their files being sent to you. That way the server won't try to "read" the files (that's how they show up in the message). Remember, this happen on the encyclopedia project last fall. And, my files are coming to you this afternoon! Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Maria Coughlin To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:29 PM Subject: HELP: Attachments that don't work >Several indexers have attempted to send us .dat files this morning, but >the files keep coming through *inside* the message, instead of as >attachments. Does anyone know what's going wrong? I dimly recall >a discussion of this on a list, but I've never had the problem before. >(We've received dozens of .dat files as attachments, so this is a >new problem for us.) > >Help, please! A reply on list would be most helpful for everyone. > >Thanks! > >Maria ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:00:37 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's interesting. I didn't ZIP mine and it apparently went through just fine. Also, I forwarded a file from another indexer at her request (unzipped) and it also went OK. I certainly don't ZIP index files that I send to to publishers as RTF files. It would be nice to have a definitive answer to this. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 anderson@the-indexer.com http://www.the-indexer.com fax: 206-985-8796 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Coates To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:23 AM Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work > Dear Maria, > > The indexers need to zip their files being sent to you. That way the server > won't try to "read" the files (that's how they show up in the message). > Remember, this happen on the encyclopedia project last fall. > > And, my files are coming to you this afternoon! > > Best, > Sylvia Coates > -----Original Message----- > From: Maria Coughlin > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:29 PM > Subject: HELP: Attachments that don't work > > > >Several indexers have attempted to send us .dat files this morning, but > >the files keep coming through *inside* the message, instead of as > >attachments. Does anyone know what's going wrong? I dimly recall > >a discussion of this on a list, but I've never had the problem before. > >(We've received dozens of .dat files as attachments, so this is a > >new problem for us.) > > > >Help, please! A reply on list would be most helpful for everyone. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Maria > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:41 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Charles, I don't send my rtf files zipped either as a rule. But when this happened during the encyclopedia project I made some inquires about this problem. Apparently one has problems with this depending upon the server you are sending to and from. Some servers try to "help" you to read the file and, for a technical reason which I don't understand, can't always do so and that's when the file appears as part of the message. And the server you are sending to and from have a great deal to do with this technical glitch.That is why it doesn't always happen. However, if you zip the file you are guaranteeing that there won't be a problem. The server won't try to "read" a zipped file so the problem never occurs when you use Winzip. Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Charles Anderson To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work >That's interesting. I didn't ZIP mine and it apparently went through just >fine. Also, I forwarded a file from another indexer at her request >(unzipped) and it also went OK. I certainly don't ZIP index files that I >send to to publishers as RTF files. It would be nice to have a definitive >answer to this. > >Charles R. Anderson >the-indexer.com >P.O. Box 15642 >Seattle, WA 98115-0642 >phone: 206-985-8799 >anderson@the-indexer.com >http://www.the-indexer.com >fax: 206-985-8796 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sylvia Coates >To: >Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:23 AM >Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work > > >> Dear Maria, >> >> The indexers need to zip their files being sent to you. That way the >server >> won't try to "read" the files (that's how they show up in the message). >> Remember, this happen on the encyclopedia project last fall. >> >> And, my files are coming to you this afternoon! >> >> Best, >> Sylvia Coates >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maria Coughlin >> To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >> Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:29 PM >> Subject: HELP: Attachments that don't work >> >> >> >Several indexers have attempted to send us .dat files this morning, but >> >the files keep coming through *inside* the message, instead of as >> >attachments. Does anyone know what's going wrong? I dimly recall >> >a discussion of this on a list, but I've never had the problem before. >> >(We've received dozens of .dat files as attachments, so this is a >> >new problem for us.) >> > >> >Help, please! A reply on list would be most helpful for everyone. >> > >> >Thanks! >> > >> >Maria >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:33:55 -0700 Reply-To: tedne@w-link.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TN Subject: Korean names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe I read once that some Korean family names will have two syllables instead of the usual one. In those instances the given name will have just one syllable to maintain the overall three syllable pattern. Such instances are probably rare but it doesn't hurt to be aware of that phenomenon anyway. Ted ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:06:08 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: HELP: Attachments that don't work In-Reply-To: <000601befded$aa40c300$22b2accf@indiana> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All: > Apparently one has problems with this depending upon the server you are >sending to and from. Some servers try to "help" you to read the file and, >for a technical reason which I don't understand, can't always do so and >that's when the file appears as part of the message. And the server you are >sending to and from have a great deal to do with this technical glitch.That >is why it doesn't always happen. However, if you zip the file you are >guaranteeing that there won't be a problem. The server won't try to "read" a >zipped file so the problem never occurs when you use Winzip. > >Best, >Sylvia Coates Yet another issue to think about when one changes isp's, as I am considering. I've never had a problem with submitting completed indexes in the .rtf format, but the thread has made me aware of issues to consider when changing services, as I am currently considering, since I'm frustrated with TIAC right now. Willa (hoping that members of the list in the southeast US aren't effected by the pending hurricane(s)...) 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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BEFE1E.73A7BFC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:52:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Attachments that don't work In-Reply-To: <199909140405.AAA13895@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only time that's happened to me (i.e., receiving in the body of an e-mail message text that was sent as an attachment) was when the attached file was sent in Mime format. My e-mail program apparently doesn't accept Mime. The reason I know that Mime is involved is that the program inserts a helpful message telling me what happened. So that *could* be the problem. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:07:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: pop artist names In-Reply-To: <199909140405.AAA13895@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The artist Snoop Doggy Dogg should appear in the index in that order, and >not as Dogg, Snoop Snoopy, right? That's certainly how I'd do it, since Dogg isn't his last name (not even a fake last name). I take "Snoop Doggy Dogg" to be an inseparable pseudonym. I don't invert Mickey Mouse either, although I s'pose you could make a case that "Mouse" is intended to be his last name. Still, I don't think people would look it up under "Mouse." I wouldn't invert any of these either: Tiny Tim Big Bird (I consider him a pop artist, don't you?) Big Bopper Little Anthony Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:58:09 -0400 Reply-To: rohrbach@delanet.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne L. Rohrbach" Subject: MIME files (was Attachments that don't work) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning all! Attached MIME (.mim) files generally contain 3 (or more) 'subfiles'. In my experience, 2 of these files seem to contain an exact duplicate of the email they are attached to, and the third file is the 'attachment' for downloading. I don't get these very often, but I've found that WinZip, version 6.2 and higher, will decode .mim files. To do this, open up WinZip first, go into "WinZip Classic" mode, then open up the .mim file. There you'll see a list of the files for extraction, and you can select the .dat, .txt, etc., attached file you wish to decode. Then extract. You can't just 'double-click' on the MIME file to 'unzip' it, as you would a .zip file. You can get WinZip at www.download.com. Have a great day!!! Joanne > > The only time that's happened to me (i.e., receiving in the body of an > e-mail message text that was sent as an attachment) was when the attached > file was sent in Mime format. My e-mail program apparently doesn't accept > Mime. The reason I know that Mime is involved is that the program > inserts a > helpful message telling me what happened. So that *could* be the problem. > > Cheers, > > > Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:46:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Deborah E. Patton" Subject: MAD "Search-O-Meter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Baltimore Sun has a section devoted to technology on Mondays and this week there's a review of the CD of all 564 issues of MAD magazine. It sounds like a hoot especially since it seems to be indexed. But what the heck is this index?? Two exerpts from the review: "The best feature of "Totally MAD" is the "Search-O-Meter," which lets you find articles by subject, author, or keyword. That makes it easy to find all the magazine's famous "Spy v Spy" panels, "Scenes We'd Like to See," or my favorite, Don Martin's hilariously gruesome cartoons. The index is complete, intuitive and a snap to use -- serious reference works could take a lesson from this one." "You can browse the covers and click to bring up any issue, which appears in another screen known as the 'Veeblefetzer" (if you don't know what a Veeblefetzer is, look it up in the index)..." Index? or glossary?? It probably doesn't matter unless things misconstrued really need to be straightened out. This sounds like one of the most delightful electronic projects I've heard about so far. I know I want to look at this CD but do I want to pay $70 for it?? Business expense?? It looks like it can be purchased from www.learningco.com in case others of you need it worse than I do. happy indexing, Deborah ============================== Deborah E. Patton, Freelance Indexer Baltimore, MD, USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:57:15 -0400 Reply-To: Nevermind@nospam.me Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christin Keck Organization: Never. It spoils my system. Subject: Re: pop artist names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Roberts wrote: > > >The artist Snoop Doggy Dogg should appear in the index in that order, and > >not as Dogg, Snoop Snoopy, right? > > That's certainly how I'd do it, since Dogg isn't his last name (not even a > fake last name). I take "Snoop Doggy Dogg" to be an inseparable pseudonym. > I don't invert Mickey Mouse either, although I s'pose you could make a case > that "Mouse" is intended to be his last name. Still, I don't think people > would look it up under "Mouse." I wouldn't invert any of these either: > > Tiny Tim > Big Bird (I consider him a pop artist, don't you?) > Big Bopper > Little Anthony Hi. I'm a new participant to the list. What if you're indexing a list of cartoon mice? How would you do it then? Couldn't you list them under Mouse Mickey Mighty Jerry Minnie ? (Actually, I'm not very serious about this. I do find it amusing to contemplate.) ;-) -- Christin Keck CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" VISIT THE WORLD OF WHISLBABE: http://www.geocities.com/soho/square/4033/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:48:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: pop artist names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Roberts wrote, in part: > I don't invert Mickey Mouse either, although I s'pose you could make a case > that "Mouse" is intended to be his last name. Still, I don't think people > would look it up under "Mouse." I wouldn't invert any of these either: > > Tiny Tim > Big Bird (I consider him a pop artist, don't you?) > Big Bopper > Little Anthony I recently indexed a book in which I had entries for Mickey Mouse and Scrooge McDuck. I didn't invert either one, but I did provide a cross-reference from McDuck, Scrooge. I don't think anyone would look up Mickey under "Mouse," but I wasn't so sure about "McDuck!" Kara Pekar ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:08:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Jacobs Subject: salary ranges for thesaurus mgt & database indexers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi-- In order to help a company set its salary scales for a project that is just getting off the ground, I am trying to get an overall picture of the salary ranges for thesaurus managers and for salaried database indexers. I am primarily interested in Canadian figures, but American would be helpful too. Please send responses directly to me. I will summarize for the list (and keep any personal information confidential, of course). Thanks, Christine **************************************************************************** ******* Christine Jacobs cmjacobs@johnabbott.qc.ca Co-Chair Information and Library Technologies Dept. John Abbott College P.O. Box 2000 Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue QC Canada H9X 3L9 (514) 457-6610, loc 470; fax: (514) 457-4730 **************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:17:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: MAD "Search-O-Meter" In-Reply-To: <199909141151.HAA22045@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >This sounds like one of the most > delightful electronic projects I've heard about so far. I know I want to > look at this CD but do I want to pay $70 for it?? Business expense?? It > looks like it can be purchased from www.learningco.com in case > others of you > need it worse than I do. I bought it a couple of weeks ago. I have all of the magazines from 1958 through about 1996. I installed it and only looked at it briefly. I haven't tried the search capability. My first complaint was that you open an issue to a 2-page spread, wherein all the text is too small to read. By the time you zoom in to where the text is legible, you are only seeing a portion of one page. Lots of scrolling required. I don't know if there is a way to switch to a 1-page format. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:29:29 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Indexing Utility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some time ago, some list members expressed interest in a utility program that I was re-writing from an old DOS version. The old version simply tracked time of indexing (or other projects), produced reports and printed invoices. When I rewrote the program in Windows, I added several features that I found useful, namely a method to estimate indexing time on a new project, particularly when one did not have any sample pages to go by. I also threw in little things like an instant readout of current per page and per entry costs based on statistical history and a more sophisticated invoic printing system. On the other hand, CINDEX (and I assume MACREX) already has an utility for tracking time spent on indexing, so I left that out. None of the above of course are things that one can't do with a spreadsheet and a word processor with a little work, although the algorithm for predicting costs might be a little tricky (I added a subjective feature that lets you rate the difficulty of each job). I have put this up on my Web site for downloading. Anyone who is interested is welcome to try it out for 30 days. If you find it useful, of course, there is a mechanism for registering it with a small contribution. I have tested it fairly well with Windows 98 and there is nothing, to the best of my knowledge, that should not be consistent with Windows 95. It will not work with Windows 3.1 or earlier. If you would like to try out the program, please try it for the full thirty days and be certain that it is really use - and worth paying a little to continue using it. This approach is somewhat like Microsoft, who will put up a Beta version (or even a full release version) for demo and let users find problems (although I don't consider this a Beta version and barring inappropriate user input I don't expect serious bugs - but nothing's certain). On the other hand, there may well be features that someone will say, "why doesn't it do ....?" and I might well add these. I consider this in the nature of shareware - which is copyrighted, and for which one should reward the creator in a small amount, but which is developed and enhanced based on user feedback. The direct URL is: www.the-indexer.com/links.htm Follow the first link at the top. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 anderson@the-indexer.com http://www.the-indexer.com fax: 206-985-8796 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:04:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: pop artist names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christin Keck wrote: > Hi. I'm a new participant to the list. > What if you're indexing a list of cartoon mice? How would > you do it then? Couldn't you list them under > Mouse > Mickey > Mighty > Jerry > Minnie > ? > (Actually, I'm not very serious about this. I do find it > amusing to contemplate.) ;-) No, because you wouldn't index personal names that way: Smith, John Mary Thomas Wilhelmina It's wrong because the people -- or mice -- are separate entities, not facets of a single entity. That makes them separate subjects. OTOH, in your example it would be perfectly correct to have an entry: mice, cartoon. See Jerry Mouse; Mickey Mouse; Mighty Mouse; Minnie Mouse I suppose you could make a case for: mice, cartoon Jerry Mickey Mouse Mighty Mouse Minnie Mouse but you would never put them as subheads of what appears (in the context of your example) to be a "last name." I guess I'd better stop procrastinating now and start on my next project. I love this job! World War II one week, children's art the next, clothing styles the week after that. BTW -- how many of you have ever tried out for and/or been on Jeopardy? (Gee, maybe we should invite Jeopardy to come do a contestant search at our next conference. Hmm....) Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:14:41 -0500 Reply-To: shellybourassa@execpc.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shelly Bourassa Subject: Quotes (off-topic) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would anybody know of a website or book where I can find quotes by famous science fiction writers such as Arthur C. Clarke? I realize this has nothing to do with indexing, but know as well that the erudite group of indexers on this list possess a broad spectrum of knowledge gleaned from years of reading and experience. (How's that for bad writing? :) If you could reply off-list, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Shelly Shelly A. Bourassa Black Kat Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:43:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Josee Olivier Subject: Re: Attachments that don't work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Hello all, I've read somewhere (sorry, can't remember reference) that receiving in the body of an e-mail message text that was sent as an attachment occurs when the option "send enclosures" instead of "send attachments" is selected. Jos=E9e Olivier jolivier@autoroute.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:52 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: Re: pop artist names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christin Keck wrote >Hi. I'm a new participant to the list. >What if you're indexing a list of cartoon mice? How would >you do it then? Couldn't you list them under >Mouse > Mickey > Mighty > Jerry > Minnie >? >(Actually, I'm not very serious about this. I do find it >amusing to contemplate.) ;-) You could, but I think it would be better to invert them: Mouse, Mickey Mouse, Mighty Mouse, Jerry Mouse, Minnie and, depending on the number of citations (!) also index them under their uninverted forms - Mickey Mouse, etc - or cross-refer. A serious answer to a silly problem Christine Christine Headley Copyeditor and Indexer Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:41:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DINA PALLAZOLA Subject: Re: Indexing Utility Comments: To: Charles Anderson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Charles and All I tried to download your utility. When I clicked on the "download now" button, it took me over to what looked like a shortcut labeled "timekeep.exe" When I clicked on that, I got an error that said, "running a system command on this file may be unsafe. Do you want to continue?" What should I do? Thanks, Dina ------Original Message------ From: Charles Anderson To: Sent: September 14, 1999 4:29:29 PM GMT Subject: Indexing Utility Some time ago, some list members expressed interest in a utility program that I was re-writing from an old DOS version. The old version simply tracked time of indexing (or other projects), produced reports and printed invoices. When I rewrote the program in Windows, I added several features that I found useful, namely a method to estimate indexing time on a new project, particularly when one did not have any sample pages to go by. I also threw in little things like an instant readout of current per page and per entry costs based on statistical history and a more sophisticated invoic printing system. On the other hand, CINDEX (and I assume MACREX) already has an utility for tracking time spent on indexing, so I left that out. None of the above of course are things that one can't do with a spreadsheet and a word processor with a little work, although the algorithm for predicting costs might be a little tricky (I added a subjective feature that lets you rate the difficulty of each job). I have put this up on my Web site for downloading. Anyone who is interested is welcome to try it out for 30 days. If you find it useful, of course, there is a mechanism for registering it with a small contribution. I have tested it fairly well with Windows 98 and there is nothing, to the best of my knowledge, that should not be consistent with Windows 95. It will not work with Windows 3.1 or earlier. If you would like to try out the program, please try it for the full thirty days and be certain that it is really use - and worth paying a little to continue using it. This approach is somewhat like Microsoft, who will put up a Beta version (or even a full release version) for demo and let users find problems (although I don't consider this a Beta version and barring inappropriate user input I don't expect serious bugs - but nothing's certain). On the other hand, there may well be features that someone will say, "why doesn't it do ....?" and I might well add these. I consider this in the nature of shareware - which is copyrighted, and for which one should reward the creator in a small amount, but which is developed and enhanced based on user feedback. The direct URL is: www.the-indexer.com/links.htm Follow the first link at the top. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 anderson@the-indexer.com http://www.the-indexer.com fax: 206-985-8796 __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:03:48 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Timekeep for Windows posting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies to all of the mailing list members in advance if some users chose "reply to all" in contacting me regarding this indexing utility. I definitely have no wish to even remotely be in the position of using the list for business/advertising. To anyone interested in this program, please email me directly - not by replying to all on the list. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 anderson@the-indexer.com http://www.the-indexer.com fax: 206-985-8796 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:43:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: MISC: Name change for "AARP" Comments: cc: COPYEDITING-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case any of your are interested, in the September, 1999 issue of the "AARP Bulletin," it was announced that "effective immediately," the organization's name is "AARP." The previous name, not mentioned in the article, is the "American Association of Retired People." So, from this point on, it is not necessary to spell-out the full name of the AARP. The AARP now joins ITT, UNICEF, CARE and several other acronyms not standing for anything in particular. I am double-posting this to both INDEX-L and COPYEDITING-L, so if you get two copies it is because your are on both lists. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:21:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: pop artist names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to spoil the humor in this thread, but "Snoop Doggy Dogg" and "Micky Mouse" are not analogous. A different rule is applied to each. "Snoop Doggy Dogg" is a real person using a pseudonym. I would not invert it because it is not possible to determine which part is his family name and which part is his given name. Fortunately, I have yet to encounter "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" in any book I've worked on. "Mickey Mouse," as well as "Mighty Mouse" and "Minnie Mouse" are fictional characters, not people. When I first learned indexing, 30 years ago, when I worked in-house as an indexer on a then-popular encyclopedia, fictional characters were "things" in the trichotomy "people, places and things." As such, they were never inverted. "Tom Sawyer" was indexed as "Tom Sawyer," not as "Sawyer, Tom." | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:47:57 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: Indexing Utility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all who have downloaded today - disregard my message about the timestamp. I just talked to my Web providers and there is no logic to the way UNIX is changing the time stamp. Bottom line is the version now downloaded (and since several hours ago) is the current and latest version. Charles