=20 Larry = Tipton
=20 LacoG Interdex
interdex@citystar.com ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF4167.E1FDB240-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:56:34 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: Windows 98 & DOS applications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My own comment on all of this is that in 1998 they impeached the wrong Bill. Diana Richard Evans wrote: > > To Jan's thoughtful commentary I would add my own observation that the > > people who seem to suffer the most problems are those who install > > software in great huge bunches, whether downloaded or purchased. A slow, > > cautious approach to adding new software to any system, Mac or Windows, > > is the first best step in fault isolation. > > I would go so far as to say that a slow and cautious approach only delays > the inevitable. The only way to enjoy trouble-free computing is to start > clean, install a minimum number of applications, then never change anything. > > I went through a phase several years ago when I was downloading a lot of > stuff and found my Windows 95 environment totally corrupted in about a year. > I started over with a resolve to minimize installs and uninstalls. I got > two years under that plan. > > I have an old 486 that I relegated to my wife. It has Word 95 on it and she > pretty much uses it as a typewriter. Nothing has been installed or > uninstalled since the day I gave it to her. In four years it has never hung, > never crashed, never shown a Blue Screen of Death. > > I fully understand the complexities of computer systems. I appreciate that > incompatabilities are eventually going to cause problems. What frosts my > cookies is that the $%^&** things aren't *marketed* as being so fragile. > Every time I see a Microsoft ad that asks "Where do you want to go today?" I > want to scream: "Anywhere, just so I get there in one piece." > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:14:53 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elspeth Pope Subject: usability study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the November 1999 issue of College & Research Libraries there is an article: "Usability Testing: A Case Study" by Janet Chisman, Karen Diller and Sharon Walbridge. Quoting from part of the abstract - Usability testing is a technique for identifying difficulty that individuals may have using a product. Usability tests of the Washington State University Libraries' online public access catalog, Article indexes, Full Text and other library catalogs revealed problem areas. A task force used test findings to recommend solutions. . . The article then describes the preparation, testing, gives the checklist and analyzes the results. If any who have volunteered for the ASI usability study would care to read this article and don't have a copy, let me know. -- Elspeth ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:15:37 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Windows/DOS In-Reply-To: <000401bf41a2$f6a24400$bf75fea9@celeron333> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_5OjljryqmKBTRXikSgLO3g)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_5OjljryqmKBTRXikSgLO3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I've been following this thread with interest and have finally just got to put my two cents worth in. The one thing that I think most people assume, and I believe is a bad assumption, is that when your Windows computer crashes, it is *because* of Windows. Although Windows is not without any flaws. I suspect that most crashes occur because of an ill behaved program and Windows is simply the Messenger. The truth is, I believe, Windows normally prevents a crash (of the operating system) and what you are getting is a notice that a program has performed an operation that is illegal and that Windows is ending that program's operation. Windows continues to operate normally despite the ill behaved program. That is what normally happens on my Windows 98 computer. It is rare that I have to reboot. I admit that Windows can, itself, crash, but I truly suspect that the vast majority of problems people encounter are not with Windows itself, but with programs or drivers installed on the computer. In many cases the program that crashes is not to blame, but a driver such as a Printer driver or Display driver has operated incorrectly. The more *utilities* you add to your system, the greater your chance of such problems. I would like to also say that I agree VERY strongly with the KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) principle. Don't install programs or utilities that are not absolutely needed. I have learned to never install "operating system enhancement" utilities since I've found they are the most likely to cause problems. In fact, although I own and use Virus detection software, I do not set it up to run in the background while I use the computer. I use it once in awhile to ensure I do not have a virus (to date I have never had one) and I make sure that my backup procedure is sufficient that I can never loose more than a days work. That is much less than the time I suspect I would loose because of potential system related crashes and problems if I ran the anti-virus software in the background all of the time. If nothing else, anti-virus software *has* to slow your computer down when run in the background because it has to inspect every file that is used to ensure there is no virus. That takes CPU time. My two cents. By the way, I believe all of the above is true of Mac related problems too. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Professional Indexing Software for Professional Indexers SKY Software 350 Montgomery Circle Stephens City, VA 22655 Email: kamm@sky-software.com Web: http://www.sky-software.com Phone: (800) 776-0137 or (540) 869-6581 Fax: (540) 869-6581 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --Boundary_(ID_5OjljryqmKBTRXikSgLO3g) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 everyone,

I've=20 been following this thread with interest and have finally just got to = put my two=20 cents worth in.

The=20 one thing that I think most people assume, and I believe is a bad = assumption, is=20 that when your Windows computer crashes, it is *because* of Windows. = Although=20 Windows is not without any flaws. I suspect that most crashes occur = because of=20 an ill behaved program and Windows is simply the Messenger. The truth = is, I=20 believe, Windows normally prevents a crash (of the operating system) and = what=20 you are getting is a notice that a program has performed an operation = that is=20 illegal and that Windows is ending that program's = operation. Windows=20 continues to operate normally despite the ill behaved program. That is = what=20 normally happens on my Windows 98 computer. It is rare that I have to=20 reboot.

I=20 admit that Windows can, itself, crash, but I truly suspect that the vast = majority of problems people encounter are not with Windows itself, but = with=20 programs or drivers installed on the computer. In many cases the program = that=20 crashes is not to blame, but a driver such as a Printer driver or = Display driver=20 has operated incorrectly. The more *utilities* you add to your system, = the=20 greater your chance of such problems.

I=20 would like to also say that I agree VERY strongly with the KISS (Keep It = Simple=20 Silly) principle. Don't install programs or utilities that are not = absolutely=20 needed. I have learned to never install "operating system enhancement" = utilities=20 since I've found they are the most likely to cause problems. In fact, = although I=20 own and use Virus detection software, I do not set it up to run in the=20 background while I use the computer. I use it once in awhile to ensure I = do not=20 have a virus (to date I have never had one) and I make sure that my = backup=20 procedure is sufficient that I can never loose more than a days work. = That is=20 much less than the time I suspect I would loose because of potential = system=20 related crashes and problems if I ran the anti-virus software in the = background=20 all of the time. If nothing else, anti-virus software *has* to slow your = computer down when run in the background because it has to inspect every = file=20 that is used to ensure there is no virus. That takes CPU=20 time.

My=20 two cents.

By=20 the way, I believe all of the above is true of Mac related problems=20 too.

Sincerely,

Kamm=20 Schreiner

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Professional=20 Indexing Software for Professional Indexers

SKY Software
350=20 Montgomery Circle
Stephens City, VA 22655

Email: = kamm@sky-software.com=20 <mailto:kamm@sky-software.com>= ;
Web:=20 http://www.sky-software.com
Phone: (800) 776-0137 = or (540)=20 869-6581
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--Boundary_(ID_5OjljryqmKBTRXikSgLO3g)-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:48:54 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cheryl Duksta Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01BF4169.D26E9FE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01BF4169.D26E9FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm new to this list and I need people, right off the bat. I'm seeking = indexers to work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades 6-12. = Prefer el-hi indexing experience and/or el-hi teaching experience.If you = are interested, please forward a resume to me.=20 Regards, Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01BF4169.D26E9FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I'm new to this list and I = need=20 people, right off the bat. I'm seeking indexers to work on = grammar/composition=20 textbooks for grades 6-12. Prefer el-hi indexing experience and/or el-hi = teaching experience.If you are interested, please forward a resume to = me.=20

Regards,

Cheryl Duksta

Project Manager

Barrett Kendall = Publishing

Austin, Texas

------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01BF4169.D26E9FE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:39:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melissa Moore <55742@PEACHNET.CAMPUSCWIX.NET> Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes In-Reply-To: <00f201bf419c$1e04d500$0b19c1cf@duksta> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Cheryl: Did you receive my resume? Thank you, Melissa At 10:48 AM 12/8/99 -0600, you wrote: > Hello, I need people, right off the bat. I'm seeking indexers to >work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades 6-12. Prefer el-hi >indexing experience and/or el-hi teaching experience.If you are >interested, please forward a resume to me. Regards, Cheryl Duksta >Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:45:38 -0800 Reply-To: kpaparchontis@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathy Paparchontis Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Cheryl, Do you accept resumes via Word attachments? Or, if you would rather have them mailed, what is your street address? Thanks, Kathy Kathleen Paparchontis K & D, Associates, Indexing, Copyediting, and Proofreading 916-344-3846 916-344-9564 (fax) kpaparchontis@worldnet.att.net ---------- From: Cheryl Duksta To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:48 AM Hello, I'm new to this list and I need people, right off the bat. I'm seeking indexers to work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades 6-12. Prefer el-hi indexing experience and/or el-hi teaching experience.If you are interested, please forward a resume to me. Regards, Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:56:58 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: Windows 98 & DOS applications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gale Rhoades writes: > >Nothing aggravates me more than companies such as Compaq and IBM, to name >two, which modify Windows 95 and 98 to make running a DOS application a >challenge beyond the skills of a better-than-average user. But this has >become a common procedure for many manufacturers and many "clone" shops as >well. And if you have a good reason to buy one of these systems, do so with >the knowledge that your DOS days have passed into history. > I am currently the happy owner of a Compaq Presario and planning on purchasing a new Compaq model later this year or early next. Needless to say, the above comment set me back a little. I have just had two telephone conversations with Compaq tech personnel. Neither of them is aware of anything they do which might make DOS applications difficult and are a tad upset at Gale's sweeping generalizations. While I use Macrex and have had some problems with it, it has been running trouble-free since May. I am careful to shut down eveything else that is running when I run Macrex (except Windows) which seems to have stopped the random data-loss problems I was experiencing earlier. The tech people also assured me that with 64 RAM or above, I will be able to run additional applications while using Macrex. They claim not to do any modification of any Windows products at their end and are somewhat dismayed at reports that they do. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:20:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christin Keck Subject: Re: Windows/DOS Comments: To: kamm@sky-software.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Kamm Y. Schreiner wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've been following this thread with interest and have finally > just got to put my two cents worth in. > > The one thing that I think most people assume, and I believe is > a bad assumption, is that when your Windows computer crashes, > it is *because* of Windows. Although Windows is not without any > flaws. I suspect that most crashes occur because of an ill > behaved program and Windows is simply the Messenger. The truth > is, I believe, Windows normally prevents a crash (of the > operating system) and what you are getting is a notice that a > program has performed an operation that is illegal and that > Windows is ending that program's operation. Windows continues > to operate normally despite the ill behaved program. That is > what normally happens on my Windows 98 computer. It is rare > that I have to reboot. Boy, not me. I have had to reboot quite often. Most of the problems are conflicts with Windows 98 operating system programs, and not the software that is installed. I have especially had problems with my system configuration files. I haven't installed any "new" software, and don't have any virus programs running. No weird screen savers, haven't converted my files to FAT32, and don't play graphic-intense games...so why doesn't it work? I dunno. I've made quite a few calls and done quite a few searches in the Windows help sites, and no one has been able really help. > I admit that Windows can, itself, crash, but I truly suspect > that the vast majority of problems people encounter are not > with Windows itself, but with programs or drivers installed on > the computer. In many cases the program that crashes is not to > blame, but a driver such as a Printer driver or Display driver > has operated incorrectly. The more *utilities* you add to your > system, the greater your chance of such problems. This is very very true. I can only speak from personal experience, and I can tell you that when I installed my Win98 over my Win95, I had FAR more problems than with 95..because of the "updated" drivers for my modem, my printers and my scanner. But this WAS the fault (if you can call it that) of Windows 98--because the drivers would not have changed unless I had upgraded! Before I got it working totally, without problems, I had to find at least three patches to "fix" the updated drivers. I found them all on Microsoft's Win98 website--so they appeared to be "planned for" conflicts. > I would like to also say that I agree VERY strongly with the > KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) principle. Don't install programs > or utilities that are not absolutely needed. I have learned to > never install "operating system enhancement" utilities since > I've found they are the most likely to cause problems. In fact, > although I own and use Virus detection software, I do not set > it up to run in the background while I use the computer. I use > it once in awhile to ensure I do not have a virus (to date I > have never had one) and I make sure that my backup procedure is > sufficient that I can never loose more than a days work. That > is much less than the time I suspect I would loose because of > potential system related crashes and problems if I ran the > anti-virus software in the background all of the time. If > nothing else, anti-virus software *has* to slow your computer > down when run in the background because it has to inspect every > file that is used to ensure there is no virus. That takes CPU > time. > > My two cents. This is very good advice...and I also follow it. Viruses don't arise spontaneously, they are transmitted through files that _you_ introduce to your system. There really is no need for constant checking of your entire computer's files, if there hasn't been any "new" stuff introduced. -- CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" Visit my domain http://www.seekaye.com or the World of Whislbabe in Geocities, SoHo/Square/4033 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:04:13 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: marcelyn01@HOTMAIL.COM Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_4ed05190_708a4c0d$184ab01c" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_4ed05190_708a4c0d$184ab01c Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Ms. Duksta, I am a freelance indexer interested in and available for work on your grammar and composition textbooks. Although my resume does not go back that far, I worked my way through EKU (undergraduate) by tutoring in the Writing Center. Additionally, I have served as an editorial assistant for several publications over the course of my career, including: EMF News (Center for Energy Information-external pub) Labor's Heritage (AFL-CIO-external pub) Book Notes (Potomac Edison-internal pub) I have been freelancing for over a year, have several trade and technical publishing clients, but am looking to "break into" textbook publishing. I have attached my resume for your consideration. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Marcy Brown Wordsmith Services Delmont PA (724) 733-7391 marcelyn@westol.com marcelyn01@hotmail.com >From: Cheryl Duksta >Reply-To: "Indexer's Discussion Group" >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:48:54 -0600 > >Hello, > >I'm new to this list and I need people, right off the bat. I'm seeking >indexers to work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades 6-12. 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larryNOSPAMh123@HOME.COM wrote: > > Concerning Christine Keck's decision: in my opinion, any > non-technical Windows user would be well-advised to postpone or avoid > moving to Windows 2000 for as long as possible, due to the tremendous > complexity of the system and (therefore) the anticipated problems > with it, so I consider her decision to buy a Mac somewhat drastic, > but very well-timed. :-) Heh...thank you, Larry! My decision has been very long in the making. I've wanted a Mac for years, but haven't had the real "need" for it, until I decided to go into business as a pro indexer. Now I want the best system I can buy, and after researching both PCs AND Macs, I decided on the Mac for a lot of reasons, including the increased speed, and graphics handling, and also the (sorry PC owners,) better track record in reliability. Just as an example: I own a Mac SE. Tiny little thing, could fit into my purse. It isn't used for anything serious, it doesn't have the hard drive space. But I use this computer and it is ALMOST as fast as my PC. And this computer is nearly 12 years old! If Macs were running this well and this reliably and this FAST 12 years ago, and can STILL be used for word processing, then I think they are a pretty good deal. I'm not encouraging anyone to change platforms either, only offering my opinion, as is everyone else. Sometimes we forget that there is more than one way to do something. My research and my own desires make a Mac a good choice for me--but it wouldn't be for everyone. And we all have to make the decision that is right for US as individuals. But thanks everyone for the information about Virtual PC and the software. I'm happy to hear it's been okay. -- CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" Visit my domain http://www.seekaye.com or the World of Whislbabe in Geocities, SoHo/Square/4033 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:07:31 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: marcelyn01@HOTMAIL.COM Subject: Apologies...no flames please! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Am new to a Hotmail account - sorry for posting my response to this job ad for all the world to see. Drat! I never wanted to do this... Marcy Brown >From: Cheryl Duksta >Reply-To: "Indexer's Discussion Group" >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:48:54 -0600 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:30:18 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexlady@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Cheryl! Could you please explain your request a little differently? I called BKP, and they said you are only a subcontractor for them. In lieu of this, your request has the overall flavor of a new indexer who simply wants to obtain indexing marketing packages. I'm sure this isn't what you meant. Could you go into a bit more into detail for us leery ones? Thanks! Dawn Spencer Techni-Dexes 168 Jones Street Rockwood, TN 37854 Tel & Fax: (423) 354-9601 --------------- Coordinator of the Tennessee Regional Group of the American Society of Indexers tennwords@aol.com http://members.aol.com/tennwords/ http://www.asindexing.org/ --------------- Author of the Indexing topic at Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:50:16 -0500 Reply-To: "David K. Ream" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David K. Ream" Organization: Leverage Technologies, Inc. Subject: Re: Windows/DOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too as a programmer (not an indexer) have been staying out of this discussion. It has amazed me at the amount bashing if not vitriol that has been heaped on Bill Gates. Not that I'm defending all of MS's business practices but without DOS and Windows the computer revolution would not have occurred. Only by having a near universally-used, de facto operating system could the industry and productivity grow to the level it has. I spent many years working on mainframes none of which shares the same character sizes nor sets (note recent discussion of Mac to PC file transfers caused because these two don't share the same ANSI character sets). The problems with communicating with other systems and passing information was daunting. Maybe its ironic because I'm a programmer but I have very few crashes of Win 98 nor NT. I do have problems from time to time and have to call tech support for new applications. I have lost count of the number of apps I have on the machines to do work for all the clients I have but I'm sure its more than most indexers have and my systems run fine. I have no explanations for the problems people have and I'm not a systems expert but it isn't just Windows itself. I'm sure if MacOS ran on all sorts of vendors machines there'd be more problems noted with it too. Dave Ream ----- Original Message ----- From: Christin Keck To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Windows/DOS > > Kamm Y. Schreiner wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I've been following this thread with interest and have finally > > just got to put my two cents worth in. > > > > The one thing that I think most people assume, and I believe is > > a bad assumption, is that when your Windows computer crashes, > > it is *because* of Windows. Although Windows is not without any > > flaws. I suspect that most crashes occur because of an ill > > behaved program and Windows is simply the Messenger. The truth > > is, I believe, Windows normally prevents a crash (of the > > operating system) and what you are getting is a notice that a > > program has performed an operation that is illegal and that > > Windows is ending that program's operation. Windows continues > > to operate normally despite the ill behaved program. That is > > what normally happens on my Windows 98 computer. It is rare > > that I have to reboot. > > Boy, not me. I have had to reboot quite often. Most of the > problems are conflicts with Windows 98 operating system programs, > and not the software that is installed. I have especially had > problems with my system configuration files. > I haven't installed any "new" software, and don't have any virus > programs running. No weird screen savers, haven't converted my > files to FAT32, and don't play graphic-intense games...so why > doesn't it work? I dunno. I've made quite a few calls and done > quite a few searches in the Windows help sites, and no one has > been able really help. > > > I admit that Windows can, itself, crash, but I truly suspect > > that the vast majority of problems people encounter are not > > with Windows itself, but with programs or drivers installed on > > the computer. In many cases the program that crashes is not to > > blame, but a driver such as a Printer driver or Display driver > > has operated incorrectly. The more *utilities* you add to your > > system, the greater your chance of such problems. > > This is very very true. I can only speak from personal > experience, and I can tell you that when I installed my Win98 > over my Win95, I had FAR more problems than with 95..because of > the "updated" drivers for my modem, my printers and my scanner. > > But this WAS the fault (if you can call it that) of Windows > 98--because the drivers would not have changed unless I had > upgraded! Before I got it working totally, without problems, I > had to find at least three patches to "fix" the updated drivers. > I found them all on Microsoft's Win98 website--so they appeared > to be "planned for" conflicts. > > > I would like to also say that I agree VERY strongly with the > > KISS (Keep It Simple Silly) principle. Don't install programs > > or utilities that are not absolutely needed. I have learned to > > never install "operating system enhancement" utilities since > > I've found they are the most likely to cause problems. In fact, > > although I own and use Virus detection software, I do not set > > it up to run in the background while I use the computer. I use > > it once in awhile to ensure I do not have a virus (to date I > > have never had one) and I make sure that my backup procedure is > > sufficient that I can never loose more than a days work. That > > is much less than the time I suspect I would loose because of > > potential system related crashes and problems if I ran the > > anti-virus software in the background all of the time. If > > nothing else, anti-virus software *has* to slow your computer > > down when run in the background because it has to inspect every > > file that is used to ensure there is no virus. That takes CPU > > time. > > > > My two cents. > > This is very good advice...and I also follow it. Viruses don't > arise spontaneously, they are transmitted through files that > _you_ introduce to your system. There really is no need for > constant checking of your entire computer's files, if there > hasn't been any "new" stuff introduced. > > -- > CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" > Visit my domain http://www.seekaye.com > or the World of Whislbabe in Geocities, SoHo/Square/4033 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:36:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Tony Davies Subject: Re: Windows/DOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My computer is running Linux, and I couldn't resist jumping in. Linux is an operating system that has absolutely no connection with Windows, DOS or NT (or Macintosh for that matter) and you can run it on any Intel-based pc. That's revolutionary, as is the fact that it's almost free. It looks a *lot* like UNIX, though for copyright reasons you shouldn't call it 'UNIX for the pc'. Linux has been developed over the last several years by an international group of enthusiasts. Its developers have released it as Open Source code, and it can't be sold. Companies can charge a modest amount for distributing Linux, and anyone is free to write commercial applications for it. But Linux itself is in the public domain, or close to. Linux is often perceived as a rival to NT-server. It runs networks as well as the Microsoft application, arguably needing less powerful hardware to do the same job, and anecdotally more reliable than NT. And certainly for much less money. That's what probably bothers Mr Gates most about Linux. But you can also use Linux to do regular pc tasks, as I'm now doing. My computer is partitioned between Windows 98 and Linux, and partitioning a hard drive is something that you say a couple of prayers before doing, commercial partitioning program or no. Communication between Linux and Windows? You got this message, didn't you? And who knows what computers it went through on its way between me and you. UNIX, NT, perhaps even Linux? My Linux also reads DOS floppies, which is nice. Linux usually comes with either or both of two graphic interfaces (software packages that put up a Windows-like desktop) - KDE or Gnome. I'm running KDE, and I have no direct experience of Gnome. Nestcape and Word Perfect both came with my distribution of Linux, as did StarOffice. There are many other commercial applications available. I don't know of any indexing software for Linux, but that might be coming too. Many new Linux users have difficulty getting their existing printers to work with it. Too many printers have proprietary, or undocumented, connections with Windows, and are difficult to make work properly otherwise. My general opinion of Linux for the home user is - wait another year or so. Installing Linux is a little more than you should expect of someone who picks up a computer at Circuit City, brings it home and (very legitimately) expects it to work, right out of the box, manual still in shrink-wrap. Remember the personal computer experience back in the early eighties... But give it time. Likewise the KDE desktop environment would look a bit rough to anyone who is used to Windows. Again, give it a little time, and another major version or two. Two prominent distributers of Linux are Caldera http://www.calderasystems.com (where I got mine) and Red Hat http://www.redhat.com Tony Davies > I've been intrigued by the discussion of late concerning DOS and > Windows. I think it fair enough to to say that Windows is incompatible > with computers. However, what I am curious to know is if any indexers > are using Linux? Every time I come across the word in print it's > being praised as superior to Windows, the exception being drivers or > lack thereof. I've been considering partitioning a drive and > installing Linux. But I'm not a geek - I just want a vehicle that > doesn't complain so much. I also wonder if software developers (Hi > Kamm) have been investigating the possiblities of Linux. Perhaps the > superiority of Linux is an illusion because users' systems aren't > jammed with everything under the sun? Until computer manufacturers > become more interested in quality than obsolescence perhaps Linux > proffers at least fewer complications. Is there enlightenment out > there as to Linux, indexing, how capable publishers may be to work in > Linux, if there is any way to communicate between DOS and Unix, > etc.? Larry Tipton > LacoG Interdex > interdex@citystar.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:55:43 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cheryl Duksta Subject: Job Op post MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF4183.EBA2CEE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF4183.EBA2CEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello: I posted an advertisement earlier for indexers for an el-hi publisher = who happens to be my employer, Barrett Kendall Publishing. Thanks to all = who responded; I am overwhelmed with the responses.=20 I did receive this message: I called BKP, and they said you are only a subcontractor for them. = In lieu of=20 this, your request has the overall flavor of a new indexer who simply = wants=20 to obtain indexing marketing packages. I freelanced for this company for the last eight months. I have done = editing and writing on the English/comp book for which I now seek = indexers. The CEO of the company hired me as her Project Manager and I = began December 1st. I telecommute most of the time and, obviously, the = receptionist has not received my new hire information. I have also = posted this advertisement on the freelance list at onelist; many of = those members could vouch that I have been in the business a bit. And, to the person who sent that message, don't expect a response from = me. Regards, Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF4183.EBA2CEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello:

I posted an advertisement = earlier for=20 indexers for an el-hi publisher who happens to be my employer, Barrett = Kendall=20 Publishing. Thanks to all who responded; I am overwhelmed with the = responses.=20

I did receive this = message:

<snip>I called BKP, and = they said you=20 are only a subcontractor for them. In lieu of
this, your request has = the=20 overall flavor of a new indexer who simply wants
to obtain indexing=20 marketing packages.<close snip>

I freelanced for this company = for the last=20 eight months. I have done editing and writing on the English/comp book = for which=20 I now seek indexers. The CEO of the company hired me as her Project = Manager and=20 I began December 1st. I telecommute most of the time and, obviously, the = receptionist has not received my new hire information. I have also = posted this=20 advertisement on the freelance list at onelist; many of those members = could=20 vouch that I have been in the business a bit.

And, to the person who = sent that=20 message, don't expect a response from me.

Regards,

Cheryl = Duksta

Project = Manager

Barrett Kendall=20 Publishing

Austin, = Texas

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF4183.EBA2CEE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:23:13 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Index Design Group Subject: TEST-- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:37:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SFrankmail@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TEST-- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received your test. Did it work? Sandi Frank ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:50:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marea Tumber Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit called BKP, and they said you are only a subcontractor for them. In lieu of >this, your request has the overall flavor of a new indexer who simply wants >to obtain indexing marketing packages. This seems to be rather harsh- a subcontractor could be looking for help on a particular project. I don't think we should jump to conclusions! Would anybody on this list really post a fake job just to get marketing ideas ? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:11:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: Job Op post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0142_01BF41B8.786D9A60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0142_01BF41B8.786D9A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can vouch that Cheryl is who she says she is (I'm on the Freelance = list, too). In any event, all you need to do is send her an e-mail and = she'll explain the project, before you need to send any marketing = materials at all. Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~=20 Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> = http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cheryl Duksta=20 To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:55 PM Subject: Job Op post Hello: I posted an advertisement earlier for indexers for an el-hi publisher = who happens to be my employer, Barrett Kendall Publishing. Thanks to all = who responded; I am overwhelmed with the responses.=20 I did receive this message: I called BKP, and they said you are only a subcontractor for = them. In lieu of=20 this, your request has the overall flavor of a new indexer who simply = wants=20 to obtain indexing marketing packages. =20 I freelanced for this company for the last eight months. I have done = editing and writing on the English/comp book for which I now seek = indexers. The CEO of the company hired me as her Project Manager and I = began December 1st. I telecommute most of the time and, obviously, the = receptionist has not received my new hire information. I have also = posted this advertisement on the freelance list at onelist; many of = those members could vouch that I have been in the business a bit. And, to the person who sent that message, don't expect a response from = me. =20 Regards, =20 Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ------=_NextPart_000_0142_01BF41B8.786D9A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can vouch that Cheryl is who she says she is = (I'm on the=20 Freelance list, too). In any event, all you need to do is send her an = e-mail and=20 she'll explain the project, before you need to send any marketing = materials at=20 all.

Dan

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ = ~ ~ ~ ~ ~=20 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com
Word = For Word=20 Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com<= /A>
Indexstudents=20 List ---> http://www.wfw= Index.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Cheryl = Duksta=20

=20 Larry Tipton
LacoG Interdex
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multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF4234.3D631720" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF4234.3D631720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Ok Larry Tipton LacoG Interdex interdex@citystar.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF4234.3D631720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok Ok

=20 Larry Tipton
LacoG Interdex
interdex@citystar.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF4234.3D631720-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:10:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Windows/DOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another point is that different versions of Windows are more/less prone to crashes and hangups. For instance, the first release of Windows 98 is reputed (so my husband, the programmer/sys-admin, says) to be buggy as all get-out. He refused to upgrade to Win98 when it came out, for precisely that reason. The second release is apparently better: less inclined to hang up, less inclined to crash, etc. That doesn't mean it's perfect, but it is, supposedly, better than its predecessor of the same name. So while the amount of "stuff" you load onto your system certainly has some impact on the way your system runs, the problems some people are experiencing may also have to do with which version and which release of that version is installed on their system. (I'm no expert, so if I've gotten something wrong in here, chalk it up to my lack of computer savvy, not his! Incidentally, my husband is now ready to think about upgrading to Windows 98. We had a similar problems with Windows 3.1, as well; the one on the desktop was a lot buggier than the one on the newer laptop, so we upgraded the desktop to the later release of Win3.1. Made a big difference.) Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:32:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Roberts Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. Most unprofessional. Indexlady@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 12/08/1999 07:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mtumber@WILDERNESSWOK.COM writes: > > << Would anybody on this list really post a fake job just to get marketing > ideas ? >> > > Actually, this is advice given to many moving up the corporate ladder to see > what competition is out there, how they are presenting their credentials, > what kind of salary they expect (so you know what to ask for), etc. > > In newspapers and on major job boards, they try to make sure the positions > really exist--to avoid this situation. But, many newspapers actually have > disclaimers at the beginning of their employment sections. They do not > guarantee their employment listings truly exist. There is even LESS > governance on listservs, IN GENERAL (no offense meant to the current > listowner), to ensure the jobs are bonified positions and NOT "fishing > expeditions." > > For this reason, it's natural to question certain positions, especially ones > to blind ads in newspapers, job boards, and yes, listservs. While some might > suggest this wasn't a blind ad, so to speak, it WAS half-blind. > > This email invoked a more cautious approach for several reasons. > > (1) Email protocol states that when you want an EMAIL RESPONSE, you put your > email address after your name (it's not considered polite to force the > respondent to return to the top of the email to see where to respond). It > wasn't there, which in email protocol isn't quite professional. > > (2) In addition, no company telephone number or address was posted as PART of > the SIG. While responses might have been requested to the email address, not > revealing this information looks suspicious. Only the name was given. That > made the ad half-blind. > > Add to this the fact there isn't a listing for BKP in the Writer's Market > 2000. Also compound the factor that my 2 year-old LMP doesn't have a listing > under any of the various publishing listings or in the Geographic Index. > > Is the company for real??? > > (3) Finally, the email addy itself was NOT within the BKP company domain. It > was a personal email address. > > These reasons prompted my phone call to BKP to confirm the job posting as > bonified. (I found them through a web search.) Too many suspicious looking > things. Most people may not have paid any attention to these irregularities > or details. > > These things ***when combined with the response I received from the > company,*** set far too many alarms off. > > No alarms may have been going off in anyone else's head, but my eye for > details notices certain things. If the email was misdirected, ah well. So > were a few others. > > Dawn Spencer > Techni-Dexes > 168 Jones Street > Rockwood, TN 37854 > Tel & Fax: (423) 354-9601 > --------------- > Coordinator of the Tennessee Regional Group > of the American Society of Indexers > tennwords@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/tennwords/ > http://www.asindexing.org/ > --------------- > Author of the Indexing topic at Suite 101 > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:50:22 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Natalie Boon Subject: Re: Usability studies Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello, I was wondering what is going on in regards to this. I'm physically remote, but interested. I have some background in the usability area. Natalie On Thu, 02 December 1999, SHughes512@AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 12/2/99 3:20:32 PM Central Standard Time, > dlwitt@CONCENTRIC.NET writes: > > << Maybe I wasn't too clear. I wasn't suggesting we ourselves design a > usability > test, but rather put on a workshop at the conference to discuss how such > studies and tests should be designed and used. I would see the workshop as a > way to gather background materials for the design and implementation of > usability tests. This material could then be used as a way of developing > standards and perhaps a template for such testing that ASI could offer other > organizations as a guideline for evaluating their indexes. I was not > envisioning ASI getting into the usability study > business, but I do think we should push for evaluation of indexes and > materials > that need indexing in the publishing field. > Diana >> > > That sounds good to me. Sorry, I didn't get that from your first note. > It also sounds like something that we could get some funding to support. You > can count me in. > Sharon ----------------------------------------------------- Natalie Boon natalieboon@icqmail.com ICQ#: 52895289 Information Architect Institute for Leadership Development (ILD): A United Nations Global Partnership Program ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:02:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Max Dalrymple Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF423D.4C113E60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF423D.4C113E60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0019_01BF423D.4C18DF80" ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01BF423D.4C18DF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable December 9, 1999 Cheryl! Good response to the flame. I studied higher education at the = university near you and obtained an advanced management degree as well = as the masters in library and information science. You might verify = these facts with Glenn Sparks, the former dean, who is now retired. I = worked as an indexer/abstractor at Texas Energy Research Associates in = your town. I used the first name, Roy, and proposed over twenty changes = in their procedures, all of which were accepted without attribution. = I'm just starting my own freelance service and I would like to work with = el-hi books. >From the sounds of your e-mail you've got a good response from your = listings, but I'm enclosing my resume. I've been more successful recently in getting freelance writing = assignments, which are listed on my resume. One article, for = http://www.neighborhoodamerica.com on Xeriscaping will be published this = next Monday. Sincerely,=20 Max Dalrymple, MLS mdalry@sr66.com Tucumcari, NM 88401 505/461-1292 -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Duksta To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU = Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes =20 =20 Hello, =20 I'm new to this list and I need people, right off the bat. I'm = seeking indexers to work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades = 6-12. Prefer el-hi indexing experience and/or el-hi teaching = experience.If you are interested, please forward a resume to me.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01BF423D.4C18DF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

December 9, 1999

Cheryl!

Good response to the = flame. I=20 studied higher education at the university near you and obtained an = advanced=20 management degree as well as the masters in library and information=20 science. You might verify these facts with Glenn Sparks, the = former dean,=20 who is now retired. I worked as an indexer/abstractor at Texas = Energy=20 Research Associates in your town. I used the first name, Roy, and = proposed=20 over twenty changes in their procedures, all of which were accepted = without=20 attribution. I'm just starting my own freelance service and I = would like=20 to work with el-hi books.

From the sounds of your e-mail = you've got=20 a good response from your listings, but I'm enclosing my = resume.

I've been more successful = recently in=20 getting freelance writing assignments, which are listed on my = resume. One=20 article, for http://www.neighborhoodameric= a.com=20 on Xeriscaping will be published this next Monday.

Sincerely,

Max Dalrymple, = MLS

mdalry@sr66.com

Tucumcari, NM = 88401

505/461-1292

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Cheryl Duksta <duksta@SWBELL.NET>
To: = INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU=20 <INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMT= ON.EDU>
Date:=20 Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:35 PM
Subject: Job Op: = El-hi=20 indexes

Hello,

I'm new to this list = and I need=20 people, right off the bat. I'm seeking indexers to work on=20 grammar/composition textbooks for grades 6-12. Prefer el-hi indexing = experience and/or el-hi teaching experience.If you are interested, = please=20 forward a resume to me.

Regards,

Cheryl Duksta

Project = Manager

Barrett Kendall = Publishing

Austin, Texas

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Prepared all course = materials using desktop publishing and local printer. \tab \tab \tab=20 University of Texas, Austin Graduate School of Library and Information = Science, 1991. \par=20 \par }{\b\f6\fs24\ul Papers in Preparation/Submission:}{\f6\fs24 The = most relevant papers are: \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls4\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls4\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Circulation Per Capita, a Regression Analysis. 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Currently a book is in submission. I intend to also compile a = dictionary. \par }\pard \s16\fi720\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\adjustright = {\b\f6\fs24\ulw Relevant Experience:}{\f6\fs24=20 \par=20 \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls10\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls10\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Indexer/abstractor Texas Energy Research, Austin, Texas 1989-90 - I = produced over twenty recommended changes in procedures. TER adopted all = of my suggestions plus two. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls11\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls11\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Webmaster: computerhealthinfo.com-new server this week = geocities.com/publiclibrarycirc Planning: Web site on reincarnation and = near-future science fiction. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls12\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls12\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Various management degree student positions, as indexer-abstractor, = librarian, etc. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls13\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls13\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Rusk County Librarian, TX, four-and-a-half years. }{\f6\fs24\ul = Henderson Daily News}{\f6\fs24 weekly column. Wrote all P.R. material = and largest possible building grant, management documents, building = program, etc. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls14\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls14\adjustright {\f6\fs24=20 Associate Director,=20 Public Services, Victoria, TX, Four full years. Wrote computer room = documentation, policy manuals, press releases, brochures, monthly, = annual, and five-year studies, management studies and reports, city = benefits brochure, numerous small grants. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls15\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls15\adjustright {\f6\fs24 c. 19 74 I predicted to Sociologist Joel Best that Dick Francis was being = groomed for the American best seller lists by his (her?) publisher and = would make it! \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s16 \f14\fs20 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14 = \'9f\tab}}\pard = \s16\fi-360\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls16\pnrnot0\pnf14\pnfs20\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'9f}}\ls16\adjustright {\f6\fs24 References: \par }\pard = \s16\fi720\li360\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\tx360\adjustright = {\f6\fs24 Duane Lee Johnson, Ph.D.970/493-1626 duane16@aol.com \par 2307 Berkshire Drive/Fort Collins CO 80526 \par Rev. Ted V. Foote, Jr 918/459-7838 \par 7811 South 88th East Avenue/Tulsa, OK 74133-3732 \par Mrs. Nancy Preston 903/657-1531 \par 132 North Marshal/Henderson, Texas 75652-3144 \par }\pard \s16\fi720\sa300\sl-290\slmult0\widctlpar\adjustright { \par }} ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF423D.4C113E60-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:06:44 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Max Dalrymple Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF423D.DC1587A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF423D.DC1587A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I apologise to the list for sending the earlier e-mail to the list and = not to Cheryl specifically. Max Dalrymple -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Duksta To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU = Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: Job Op: El-hi indexes =20 =20 Hello, =20 I'm new to this list and I need people, right off the bat. I'm = seeking indexers to work on grammar/composition textbooks for grades = 6-12. Prefer el-hi indexing experience and/or el-hi teaching = experience.If you are interested, please forward a resume to me.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Cheryl Duksta Project Manager Barrett Kendall Publishing Austin, Texas ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF423D.DC1587A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I apologise to the list for = sending the=20 earlier e-mail to the list and not to Cheryl specifically.

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Cheryl Duksta

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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF423D.DC1587A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:24:59 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Erin Hartshorn Subject: Virtual Pc/Mac indexing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm on digest, and so have only seen one response that actually addressed Christin's original question. (Larry, nice to know there's someone else out there using VPC!) I have a Mac G3 with Virtual Pc running Windows 98. When I started the USDA course, I wanted to try out all of the indexing programs, and not just use Cindex because it was the only major one available for Macs. (I know HyperIndex is out there, but I haven't been able to find a demo.) On my computer with my setup, I had problems running Macrex - which could be, as gale said, because of how Windows 98 was installed. Given that it's presumably a lobotomized version that gets installed (280 kb), you don't get a lot of lee-way indeciding what to do with it. SKYIndex works well, though I did initially have problems creating output fileswhich could be read by the wordprocessing program in the Mac environment - even though they were RTF files. Kamm helped me get that straightened out, and now I have no problems with moving files back and forth. On a somewhat unrelated note - I recently downloaded TraxTime to run on my Virtual PC to monitor my time usage while indexing. There are problems with using it in that environment, and, unfortunately, their tech support decided the best advice they could give me was to not use it. If someone knows of a comparable program for the Mac, I'd love to hear about it! My $0.02 worth. Hope it's useful. -Erin Hartshorn ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:36:24 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: Usability studies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's going on right now is deadlines and Christmas preparations, at least on my part. I've had some email discussion with Sharon regarding this, but nothing concrete. Part of the reason is that I have been waiting until we have a contract with an administrative services group, which should be settled by next week. The groups we have been looking at all offer webmaster and web design support, so I want to be able to tap that resource, since ASI will be paying for it anyway. Please contact me at any time if you don't hear from me. I'll keep your address on file, and contact you when we have something substantive. Diana Witt Natalie Boon wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering what is going on in regards to this. I'm physically remote, but interested. I have some background in the usability area. > > Natalie > > On Thu, 02 December 1999, SHughes512@AOL.COM wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/2/99 3:20:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > dlwitt@CONCENTRIC.NET writes: > > > > << Maybe I wasn't too clear. I wasn't suggesting we ourselves design a > > usability > > test, but rather put on a workshop at the conference to discuss how such > > studies and tests should be designed and used. I would see the workshop as a > > way to gather background materials for the design and implementation of > > usability tests. This material could then be used as a way of developing > > standards and perhaps a template for such testing that ASI could offer other > > organizations as a guideline for evaluating their indexes. I was not > > envisioning ASI getting into the usability study > > business, but I do think we should push for evaluation of indexes and > > materials > > that need indexing in the publishing field. > > Diana >> > > > > That sounds good to me. Sorry, I didn't get that from your first note. > > It also sounds like something that we could get some funding to support. You > > can count me in. > > Sharon > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Natalie Boon > natalieboon@icqmail.com > ICQ#: 52895289 > > Information Architect > Institute for Leadership Development (ILD): > A United Nations Global Partnership Program > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:50:46 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I =was= interested in collecting marketing samples from various indexers, I now have quite a few on hand...from folks who did not think to change the "reply to" address when they responded to this job opportunity. Please, folks, CHANGE THE ADDRESS before you respond! Thanks. Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christin Keck Subject: Re: Virtual Pc/Mac indexing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erin Hartshorn wrote: > tech > support decided the best advice they could give me was to not use it. If > someone knows of a comparable program for the Mac, I'd love to hear about > it! > > My $0.02 worth. Hope it's useful. > > -Erin Hartshorn Erin, thank you SO MUCH!!! this is EXACTLY what I was hoping to hear! I am extremely happy about this, because my "dream setup" was to use my Mac with Sky. Now I know I will be able to do so without undue hassle. This 2 cents was worth a Million bucks to me. ;-D -- CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" Visit my domain http://www.seekaye.com or the World of Whislbabe in Geocities, SoHo/Square/4033 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:22:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Tony Davies Subject: Re: Unix (was Windows/DOS) Comments: To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me - my account of KDE and Gnome as "graphic interfaces (software packages that put up a Windows-like desktop)" may need some elaboration. If you will think back to the days of Windows 3.0 and 3.1, you will remember that Windows was a program that you ran *after* you had started your computer and loaded DOS. All DOS gave you to work with was a big black screen, eighty characters wide, no graphics and a little prompt at the bottom, saying C:> or something. You started programs by typing in a command next to that prompt. If all you had was DOS, and you typed , for instance C:> wolf3d you got the excellent DOS-based, but very graphical, game Castle Wolfenstein, on which I have wasted quite a few evenings of my mis-spent middle age. And when you felt you must at last do some work, you had to quit Wolfenstein, and type C:> wp in order to bring up Word Perfect. Came Win3x, and you could now type C:> win which would bring up Windows. You could launch other programs from Windows, and they would all run on the computer simultaneously, kind of. But most people didn't bother to start Windows as a separate step when they booted their pc. They simply put the command C:> win in their autoexec.bat file, Windows started automatically, and they forgot all about DOS until something crashed. Win3x was really the mother of all DOS shells, a DOS shell being a program that you ran after starting DOS, to protect you from the unfriendly demands of the DOS command prompt. There were other DOS shells. I still miss Norton Commander, for instance. The reason for the history lesson is that you can think of KDE and Gnome as doing for Linux what Win3x did for DOS. No KDE, and a Linux command prompt stares at you. Start KDE, you have a graphical environment with windows, icons, web browsers, graphic file trees, the whole experience, and you're ready to party. KDE stands for "K Desktop Environment." K doesn't stand for anything. The development group just picked a letter that wasn't being used for much else. More info at http://www.kde.org As I said, I have no first-hand experience of Gnome. I agree, UNIX is obscure - and until the advent of Linux the only was to learn by playing was to get access to the command prompt of a UNIX computer, somewhere on a network. Now Linux allows the UNIX wannabee to build a home sandbox. But why would you want to learn UNIX? Me, I'm in the computer business, and UNIX is part of my job. If you are involved with a web site, you would probably want to know something about how UNIX directories and security work, if only to know what to expect when files are moved to the web server. But for the person who is mostly concerned with writing indexes, I don't see an immediate need. Can the collective wisdom set me straight here? Back to Linux. Right now, I wouldn't recommend running it on a home computer unless you have at least a small knowledge of UNIX, or unless your dislike of Bill Gates goes way beyond what's healthy. But as I said, check back in a year or so. Tony Davies > > My computer is running Linux, and I couldn't resist jumping in. > > > > Linux is an operating system that has absolutely no connection with > > Windows, DOS or NT (or Macintosh for that matter) and you can run it on > > any Intel-based pc. That's revolutionary, as is the fact that it's almost > > free. > > At least you tell us what KDE and Gnome are - most denizens of the > UNIX community would expect their readers to know. I have tried to > read about UNIX but retired baffled by the unexplained terminology. > > Regards > > _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:57:26 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Job Op: El-hi indexes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um, people, please don't send your resumes to the list! Send them directly to Cheryl. Thank you. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:14:38 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Larry @ LacoG Interdex" Subject: Re: Windows/DOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Tony, for the counsel. Very valuable. It will be interesting to follow how things shape with Linux in the next year. Larry Tipton LacoG Interdex interdex@citystar.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:44:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nathalie Richard Subject: indexing course...? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, This is my first posting, although I have been following the list for some months now... So please forgive me if I break some posting rules! I'm an MLIS graduate from Canada. I've been indexing images (with Archive Impact) for a while now. But after getting a job offer as a reference librarian in an academic library, I though it would be a good idea to get some work experience and introduce myself to the librarian community. To make a short story long, I miss indexing like crazy! So much so that I am seriously considering not renewing my contract next fall and going into indexing full time. Now all I've done so far is image indexing, but I'd like to complement that with back-of-the-book indexing. I've volunteered to index a cookbook published by my university (fundraising ploy) to get my feet wet, but even though I have a basic classification & indexing course, I don't feel ready to attack back-of-the-book indexing. That said, I'm thinking of taking an online course next term to prepare myself. I've been reading about this USDA course on the list, and I was wondering if someone could send along a URL I could go to for more information on this course (assuming it's given online). I was also wondering if anyone knew of such a course in Canada. I wouldn't mind an American education if the exchange rate wasn't so high! Well, I think this is long enough for a first post, so I'll stop here! But I'll be posting again! Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom for your anticipated replies! (Canadian politeness coming out :) Nathalie ****************************************** Nathalie Richard Bibliothecaire Universite de Moncton Campus de Shippagan ****************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:15:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: indexing course...? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nathalie, The USDA course is not offered online. There is, however, an online course description and (I think) online registration at this address: http://grad.usda.gov/corres/corpro.html. Also feel free to stop by the IndexStudents web site (below) and check out the FAQ. Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathalie Richard To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 7:44 AM Subject: indexing course...? > Hello all, > > This is my first posting, although I have been following the list for some > months now... So please forgive me if I break some posting rules! > > I'm an MLIS graduate from Canada. I've been indexing images (with Archive > Impact) for a while now. But after getting a job offer as a reference > librarian in an academic library, I though it would be a good idea to get > some work experience and introduce myself to the librarian community. > > To make a short story long, I miss indexing like crazy! So much so that I > am seriously considering not renewing my contract next fall and going into > indexing full time. > > Now all I've done so far is image indexing, but I'd like to complement > that with back-of-the-book indexing. I've volunteered to index a cookbook > published by my university (fundraising ploy) to get my feet wet, but even > though I have a basic classification & indexing course, I don't feel ready > to attack back-of-the-book indexing. That said, I'm thinking of taking an > online course next term to prepare myself. I've been reading about this > USDA course on the list, and I was wondering if someone could send along a > URL I could go to for more information on this course (assuming it's given > online). I was also wondering if anyone knew of such a course in Canada. > I wouldn't mind an American education if the exchange rate wasn't so > high! > > Well, I think this is long enough for a first post, so I'll stop here! > But I'll be posting again! > > Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom for your anticipated replies! > (Canadian politeness coming out :) > > Nathalie > > > ****************************************** > Nathalie Richard > Bibliothecaire > Universite de Moncton > Campus de Shippagan > ****************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Attention to detail Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear indexers: It shows remarkable lack of attention to detail when you send your cover letters and resumes to index-l, rather than to the people who are seeking freelance indexers. Please learn to click on the e-mail address of the person who's offering freelance work. If your ISP does not offer this feature, then simply copy down the correct e-mail address, input it in the "To:" part of your message, and send your credentials to it. I am amazed at the amount of paranoia and hostility currently generated by a simple request to the list for freelance indexers. If you truly believe that people want to surreptitiously find out your qualifications and your rates, fine. But please keep these ideas to yourselves--or share them only with friends and _not_ with the entire list. Index-l has always been remarkable for its many flame wars, which is why I post so rarely. If any of you decide to become hysterical because of this message, please direct your flames to me personally and not to the list. Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@digitalexp.com), Tallahassee, Florida, USA If you get melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. (Anonymous) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:32:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: Attention to detail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >If any of you decide to become hysterical because of this >message, please direct your flames to me personally and not to the list. > >Hazel >Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@digitalexp.com), Tallahassee, Florida, USA >If you get melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too >slowly. (Anonymous) Hi All: Well, I wondered why I haven't seen your name on the list for a long while. I thought you had disappeared from the world of indexing, Hazel. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:11:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: welcome to a new indexer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Just wanted to welcome my brother, Mat, to our midst. So far he's been silent but as that isn't his usual modus operandi I'm sure he'll speak up soon. Mat, intro yourself and ask questions! Rae Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:52:22 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: returned mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All my messages to Index-L keep bouncing back. Can you check on my status?? Diana Witt (dlwitt@concentric.net) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:40:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing like putting him on the spot, Rae. I suppose siblings are allowed to do that. Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachel Rice To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 7:11 PM Subject: welcome to a new indexer > Hi all, > > Just wanted to welcome my brother, Mat, to our midst. So far he's been > silent but as that isn't his usual modus operandi I'm sure he'll speak up > soon. Mat, intro yourself and ask questions! > > Rae > > Rachel Rice > Directions Unlimited Desktop Services > Indexing, editing, proofreading > http://homepages.together.net/~racric > racric ICQ 31476947 > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:24:34 -0400 Reply-To: Noeline Bridge Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noeline Bridge Subject: Re: indexing course...? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nathalie, Many if not most of us understand how much you miss indexing! The Society of Indexers (British) runs a course. You can find information on this and other courses at the Society's web site, www.socind.demon.co.uk/trainSI.htm. The American Society of Indexers' web site contains more information on the USDA course (among others)--see www.asindexing.org/courses.htm. There are no formal, ongoing courses devoted to back-of-the-book indexing in Canada, although some of us have taught longer or shorter courses through such agencies as community colleges and the Editors' Association of Canada. As a reference librarian, you will know how to keep an eye out for such information. I will be e-mailing you privately to give you my impressions and knowledge of indexing in Canada, and also information on joining the Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada (its web site is www.tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~turner/iasc/home.html) Noeline Bridge BRIDGEWORK nbridge@nb.sympatico.ca 295 Highfield Street Moncton, NB E1C 5R4 phone 506 870-1113 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:18:42 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Mat - Welcome to the list! Martha Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing www.teleport.com/~index >Hi all, > >Just wanted to welcome my brother, Mat, to our midst. So far he's been >silent but as that isn't his usual modus operandi I'm sure he'll speak up >soon. Mat, intro yourself and ask questions! > >Rae > > Rachel Rice > Directions Unlimited Desktop Services > Indexing, editing, proofreading > http://homepages.together.net/~racric > racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:22:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: passim: alternatives to In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19991130114746.261fbb80@pop3.nccn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 12:31 AM 11/30/99 -0500, Peter Rooney wrote: >> >>4) I'd like to see a new device used, the tilde in the place of the >>hyphen (en-dash, actually). Then a reference like "121~151" would mean >>"off and on throughout these pages" (in other words, "passim"). >>The standard "121-151" would still mean a solid discussion. and I responded: >What an inventive idea! . . . (though) in the example given, the page range may be too >long . . . for this device to work very well. Then Janet Shuter wrote via Christine Shuttleworth: > >I do . . . like Rooney's suggestion of a tilde instead of a hyphen or >en-dash to link (such) a range of locators. (parenthetical word added) >At present, however, indexing software is not capable of doing this . . . And at 05:09 PM 11/30/99 EST, Mary Mortensen wrote: > >I'd like to cast my vote against using tildes (~) instead of hyphens in an >index to indicate what 'passim' does. I am very nearsighted and even with >the new contacts I ordered today I think I would miss the tildes when looking >at an index. > >The basic point that seems to recur in these discussions is that any 'codes' >we put in an index that require an explanation are not going to be understood >by some readers, but at least let's make them noticeable codes, please! Mary's objection to using tildes instead of en dashes as concatenators for page ranges spanning noncontinuous discussions made me stop and reconsider, and then I discovered another objection: tildes used in this way are subject to being misinterpreted as indicating approximate page range lengths. Still intrigued by Peter's use of a different concatenator, I started considering other options. I considered ellipses but rejected them because they're used for excluding rather than including bounded material. Then in the shower an "ah ha" came forth: double hyphens would indicate not only the inclusiveness but also the discontinuity of page ranges spanning noncontinuous discussions -- and they could be used for the shorter ranges of noncontinuous discussions like 11--13 with which some of us prefer to simplify lists of successive individual page numbers like 11, 12, 13 , as well as for the longer ranges of noncontinuous discussions for which _passim_ is typically used. Ten days later I'm still taken with this idea so I'm passing it on to all of you to see what you think of it, if anything. Regarding Mary's objection to tildes, I should think double hyphens would be noticable for nearsighted readers because they are divided and somewhat longer than en dashes (without being too long to work well as concatenators). Regarding Janet's concern about our indexing software not being able to handle alternative page range concatenators, I don't see this as a problem. For now we can handle it pretty easily by marking page ranges spanning noncontinuous discussions with some unique annotation, and then using this marking to change the concatenators for these ranges in our word processors, with or without the use of macros. Any reactions? Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:32:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Saul or Paul Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm indexing a book on the shaping of biblical leaders. I am not too up on my biblical leaders so I am afraid of looking really stupid if I query my editor but I am not afraid of looking stupid to all of you first. So, I'm working on chapter on Paul (first two chaps were Moses and David). So we're reading about Paul, about Paul, about Paul, and then all of a sudden now it's Saul and he's blinded by the light. Then a few paras later, we're back to Paul, and he's recovering his vision. So is this an error and Saul is really Paul? Or did Saul also get stricken blind but then Paul recovers? Isn't Saul Old Testament? Or is there a blind Saul in the New T as well? Is it Saul or is it Paul? Where can I get a quickie course on the Bible? (Just kidding.) I have a feeling I'm going to be asking other similar questions before I'm done with this book. Thanks, Rae Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:05:05 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's pretty simple: Paul's original name was Saul. But your description of the way the names are used in the text makes me think that you might query the author with something like "Might this single use of Paul's original name be confusing to some readers?" Carol Kennedy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:16:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Larry @ LacoG Interdex" Subject: Re: Attention to detail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It shows a remarkable lack of sensibility, Hazel, to chide those who have made very innocent mistakes and are well in advance of you in perceiving them. How very prim and proper. Larry Tipton LacoG Interdex interdex@citystar.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:51:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Saul or Paul In-Reply-To: <001601bf440a$a3be9080$3089b1d8@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Carol, and those who emailed (so quickly!) off list. Would these, then, be appropriate entries: Saul, King, 21 Saul the Pharisee. See Paul (or See Paul the Apostle) or Saul (King), 21 Saul (the Pharisee). See Paul TIA as always, Rae Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: varney@mindspring.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: J Flenner Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Rachel-- Take a look at and scroll down to "9-11" Earlier pages on this site say "Saul" is Hebrew, and you'll see in the commentary I'm pointing you to that "Paul" is the Roman equivalent of "Saul," which he was called at this point (9-11) in his life (and henceforth) to indicate his mission to the Gentiles. I don't know how authoritative this site is, but it does call forth some echoes from my Sunday school days. Jackie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:14:49 -0400 Reply-To: Noeline Bridge Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noeline Bridge Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, this Saul is not the same one as in the Old Testament. This Saul is New Testament--he was present at the stoning of Stephen, the first Christian martyr, and helped persecute early Christians. In pursuit of this pastime, he journeyed to Damascus and encountered God in the form of a light from heaven that struck him blind for 3 days. Some time after his subsequent conversion to Christianity, his name changes to Paul. Noeline Bridge BRIDGEWORK nbridge@nb.sympatico.ca 295 Highfield Street Moncton, NB E1C 5R4 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:41:15 -0500 Reply-To: Rimmer Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rimmer Subject: Re: Saul or Paul > So, I'm>working on chapter on Paul (first two chaps were Moses and David). So we're >reading about Paul, about Paul, about Paul, and then all of a sudden now >it's Saul and he's blinded by the light. Then a few paras later, we're back >to Paul, and he's recovering his vision. So is this an error and Saul is >really Paul? Or did Saul also get stricken blind but then Paul recovers? Saul was the pesons name before conversion and as is typical in Jewish culture, his name was changed to reflect the change in him. >Isn't Saul Old Testament? Or is there a blind Saul in the New T as well? Is >it Saul or is it Paul? Where can I get a quickie course on the Bible? I have a feeling I'm going to be asking other similar questions Saul was a king in the OT but this is another one-Saul of Tarsus who persecuted the Christians. If you need questions answered for this book, you can write me at rimmer@ligtel.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:48:56 -0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: passim: alternatives to In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19991211092122.22df30b0@pop3.nccn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT A double hyphen might look as if it should have been an N-dash. If this approach is a good idea at all an ellipsis might be better - e.g. 78...83. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:56:55 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: Saul or Paul In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Saul, King, 21 >Saul the Pharisee. See Paul (or See Paul the Apostle) > >or > >Saul (King), 21 >Saul (the Pharisee). See Paul When the author uses Saul, I'd index him as Saul (the Pharisee), 25-27, 156. See also Paul Those 'in the know' will recognize (and would consider important) this Saul as "Paul before his conversion". BTW - WAS Paul an apostle? I don't think so. I think the story goes that the apostles were Jesus' disciples who walked and ate with him during his life on earth. Paul never met Jesus personally (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke were not disciples either). I think 'Pharisee' is right, but you'll want to confirm that fact specifically, too. Martha Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:30:26 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Back Words Indexing >BTW - WAS Paul an apostle? I don't think so. I think the story goes >that the apostles were Jesus' disciples who walked and ate with him >during his life on earth. These terms are used differently by different groups. There certainly are schools of thought that call him "the apostle Paul." Carol Kennedy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:06:24 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Reed, Rosemary" Subject: Re: indexing course...? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" greetings from a long-time lurker: Nathalie, you won't find anything like the USDA course in Canada, and no, it's not on-line--I even had to unearth my typewriter from the back of the basement. Speaking as somebody who did Lesson 1 in August and has so far got no further, I think it is a good place to start. There's a discussion group for students, too, run by a wonderful man called Dan Connolly (he must be wonderful--he runs the discussion group, and supplies thoughtful answers to people's posts) at indexstudents@onelist.com Rosemary -----Original Message----- From: Nathalie Richard [mailto:nrichar2@IS2.DAL.CA] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 5:45 AM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: indexing course...? Hello all, This is my first posting, although I have been following the list for some months now... So please forgive me if I break some posting rules! I'm an MLIS graduate from Canada. I've been indexing images (with Archive Impact) for a while now. But after getting a job offer as a reference librarian in an academic library, I though it would be a good idea to get some work experience and introduce myself to the librarian community. To make a short story long, I miss indexing like crazy! So much so that I am seriously considering not renewing my contract next fall and going into indexing full time. Now all I've done so far is image indexing, but I'd like to complement that with back-of-the-book indexing. I've volunteered to index a cookbook published by my university (fundraising ploy) to get my feet wet, but even though I have a basic classification & indexing course, I don't feel ready to attack back-of-the-book indexing. That said, I'm thinking of taking an online course next term to prepare myself. I've been reading about this USDA course on the list, and I was wondering if someone could send along a URL I could go to for more information on this course (assuming it's given online). I was also wondering if anyone knew of such a course in Canada. I wouldn't mind an American education if the exchange rate wasn't so high! Well, I think this is long enough for a first post, so I'll stop here! But I'll be posting again! Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom for your anticipated replies! (Canadian politeness coming out :) Nathalie ****************************************** Nathalie Richard Bibliothecaire Universite de Moncton Campus de Shippagan ****************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:21:26 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul was an apostle. While it is true that he was not one of the original 12 apostles (remember that there was a vacancy due to the betrayal of Judas Iscariot, one of the original 12) he became one after his conversion. Paul became known as the apostle to the Gentiles following his conversion on the road to Damascus. Since Paul was a Roman citizen he had privileges (i.e. traveling throughout the Roman Empire) not enjoyed by the other apostles. Paul was also a Pharisee. Before his conversion he was a fierce persecutor of Christianity (as Saul of Tarsus), which he considered a corruption of Judaism. Disciples of Christ are defined as anyone who followed his teachings both before and after his death. The 12 apostles were disciples who were specifically ordained as such and held the "keys to the kingdom." They became the administrative and instructional leaders of the primitive church, each of them with specific duties. For example, one of them, Peter, is believed by the Catholic Church to have inherited the mantle of Christ and stands as the bishop of Rome (later known as the papacy). In contrast, Paul became the "apostle to the Gentiles" and served multiple missions to the so called gentiles of the Roman Empire. Please note: Some beliefs regarding the specifics of this era vary according to one's church affiliation/belief system but that's pretty much the gist of it! Best, Sylvia Coates ----- Original Message ----- From: Back Words Indexing To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Saul or Paul > >Saul, King, 21 > >Saul the Pharisee. See Paul (or See Paul the Apostle) > > > >or > > > >Saul (King), 21 > >Saul (the Pharisee). See Paul > > > When the author uses Saul, I'd index him as > Saul (the Pharisee), 25-27, 156. See also Paul > > Those 'in the know' will recognize (and would consider important) > this Saul as "Paul before his conversion". > > BTW - WAS Paul an apostle? I don't think so. I think the story goes > that the apostles were Jesus' disciples who walked and ate with him > during his life on earth. Paul never met Jesus personally (and > Matthew, Mark, and Luke were not disciples either). I think > 'Pharisee' is right, but you'll want to confirm that fact > specifically, too. > > Martha > Back Words Indexing > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:10:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Saul or Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel, > Would these, > then, be appropriate entries: > > Saul, King, 21 > Saul the Pharisee. See Paul (or See Paul the Apostle) > > or > > Saul (King), 21 > Saul (the Pharisee). See Paul The New Testament Saul was known as Saul of Tarsus; I would not use parentheses with it. Yes, I would cross-reference to Paul. I'm not sure you should identify Paul as "the Apostle"; although some Christian denominations may think of him that way, others, including Catholic and Episcopalian/Anglican, think of him as Saint Paul. He is usually ranked with [Saint] Peter in terms of his importance to the Christian Church following Christ's death (and resurrection.) Is there any indication in the book as to how you might best identify him? If the primary readership is denominational, I would say follow that denomination's usual mode of reference. If the readership is more general, just "Paul" is probably sufficient unless you have to distinguish him from other Pauls. Thus: Saul, King [or Saul (King)], 21 Saul of Tarsus. See Paul [with whatever identifier your publisher/readers/author prefer, if any] I hope that helps! Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:23:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mat Rice Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: <004501bf43ee$05876520$87b971d1@iwillp3450> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/11/99 10:40 AM, Dan Connolly at connolly@NECA.COM wrote: > Nothing like putting him on the spot, Rae. I suppose siblings are allowed to > do that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rachel Rice > To: > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 7:11 PM > Subject: welcome to a new indexer > > >> Hi all, >> >> Just wanted to welcome my brother, Mat, to our midst. So far he's been >> silent but as that isn't his usual modus operandi I'm sure he'll speak up >> soon. Mat, intro yourself and ask questions! >> >> Rae >> >> Rachel Rice >> Directions Unlimited Desktop Services >> Indexing, editing, proofreading >> http://homepages.together.net/~racric >> racric ICQ 31476947 >> Hello all, Since I've been 'outed' by Rachel, I guess that I must de-lurk momentarily to say hello. I usually observe a list for a while to get the flavor of it. At this point I am so new to indexing that I do not even have any questions (that I'm willing to ask). I'm sure that as I get a bit of an idea as to what the whole endeavor entails I will come up with a few (or maybe more than a few). That's it for now. -- Mat Rice | | This space intentionally left blank ratmice@internetaddress.com | | ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:11:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Patricia H. Gross" Subject: Re: Saul or Paul: apostles, and designation of saints In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Matthias is the one who was chosen to replace Judas among "the twelve" (see Acts 1:23-26), the apostles who were witnesses to Jesus during his lifetime. Saul (who is renamed Paul, as has been stated by earlier responses), designates himself as "an apostle" -- and his self-designation is obviously accepted by the Christian community or his epistles wouldn't be read in church. What I find fascinating is that in the Biblical search program I have, I just discovered that the term "apostle" is never used in the singular until the epistles of Paul. In the Gospels and in Acts, the term is only used in the plural, "the apostles." One of the responses to Rachel's query referred to Paul as considered a saint by Catholic and Episcopal churches, which is true for liturgical purposes, but in many scholarly works there has come to be a preference to avoid using the designation Saint Paul, and just referring to him as Paul. Could be Paul of Tarsus, or Paul (apostle), or some such designation if there were any chance of confusion with some other Paul. I haven't checked the references on this, I'm just commenting on a trend I've seen in the theology books I've seen as a student in the past few years. The question about using the term "saint" is one that probably should be determined by the tone of the book or by querying the author. If the text always refers to him as Saint Paul, then presumably that should determine how the index entry should look. Interestingly, the learned Jesuit for whom I did an index last summer did not use the designation "saint" in the index to an earlier book for which he prepared the index himself, but did want the designation in the book I indexed, which was going to have a churchier audience than the earlier book. What I like about this list is the interesting intersection of different people's expertise. Patricia ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:24:16 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Saul or Paul: apostles, and designation of saints MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patricia, You are right about Matthias as a replacement for Judas. I was simply pointing out that the original 12 wasn't a static, never changing group. I probably should have been more specific :-). Thanks for pointing out the accurate replacement for Judas. It was interesting to hear that the Jesuit you worked for did not use "Saint Paul." There doesn't seem to be any consistency about using "saint" or not in the religious text I index though usually Catholic text will use the "saint." Perhaps being Jesuit, and therefore, a little more secular than most Catholic clergy, made a difference? In any case, I usually just end up using whatever is used in the text. Religious literature has been undergoing a tremendous change in the last few years. It's been fascinating to note the different trends occurring both within the same and different religious communities. Pretty tough for the poor indexer who is trying to keep up! Best, Sylvia Coates ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia H. Gross To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Saul or Paul: apostles, and designation of saints > Matthias is the one who was chosen to replace Judas among "the twelve" (see > Acts 1:23-26), the apostles who were witnesses to Jesus during his > lifetime. Saul (who is renamed Paul, as has been stated by earlier > responses), designates himself as "an apostle" -- and his self-designation > is obviously accepted by the Christian community or his epistles wouldn't > be read in church. What I find fascinating is that in the Biblical search > program I have, I just discovered that the term "apostle" is never used in > the singular until the epistles of Paul. In the Gospels and in Acts, the > term is only used in the plural, "the apostles." > > One of the responses to Rachel's query referred to Paul as considered a > saint by Catholic and Episcopal churches, which is true for liturgical > purposes, but in many scholarly works there has come to be a preference to > avoid using the designation Saint Paul, and just referring to him as Paul. > Could be Paul of Tarsus, or Paul (apostle), or some such designation if > there were any chance of confusion with some other Paul. I haven't checked > the references on this, I'm just commenting on a trend I've seen in the > theology books I've seen as a student in the past few years. The question > about using the term "saint" is one that probably should be determined by > the tone of the book or by querying the author. If the text always refers > to him as Saint Paul, then presumably that should determine how the index > entry should look. Interestingly, the learned Jesuit for whom I did an > index last summer did not use the designation "saint" in the index to an > earlier book for which he prepared the index himself, but did want the > designation in the book I indexed, which was going to have a churchier > audience than the earlier book. > > What I like about this list is the interesting intersection of different > people's expertise. > > Patricia ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:32:36 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Quantum Theology? In-Reply-To: <000901bf4437$3aea8000$19b2accf@scoates> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Religious literature has been undergoing a tremendous change in the last few >years. It's been fascinating to note the different trends occurring both >within the same and different religious communities. Pretty tough for the >poor indexer who is trying to keep up! I agree. I was just offered a book about "quantum theology" - can anyone define this for me? Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing http://www.teleport.com/~index Subscribe to the Indexer Peer Review list: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/IndexPeers ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 07:58:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Hello all, > >Since I've been 'outed' by Rachel, I guess that I must de-lurk momentarily >to say hello. I usually observe a list for a while to get the flavor of it. > > At this point I am so new to indexing that I do not even have any questions >(that I'm willing to ask). I'm sure that as I get a bit of an idea as to >what the whole endeavor entails I will come up with a few (or maybe more >than a few). That's it for now. > >-- > Mat Rice | > | This space intentionally left blank > ratmice@internetaddress.com | > | Hi Mat: Welcome to the list and to the profession of indexing. If you live in the New England area, perhaps we'll see you at a Mass Chapter program sometime next year? Willa (looking forward to singing at a nursing home near my church this afternoon.....) Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:25:01 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: badge Subject: Re: Quantum Theology? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martha Osgood wrote: > I agree. I was just offered a book about "quantum theology" - can > anyone define this for me? It's been a long time since I skimmed that book, but I believe the author was trying to get across the idea of a paradigm shift in theology paralleling that which has occurred in physics and other fields. However, I would add that this phrase and the ideas associated with it have not caught on outside that particular book. The book was popular rather than academic in intent, as I think its title indicates, and its ideas have not been taken up by academic theologians or even most popular theologians. So I'd say the term "quantum theology" has no formal definition outside what the author proposes in that book. R.C. Rasmussen badge@execpc.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:16:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: WordenDex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Quantum Theology? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martha, Maybe this refers to the Dance of Life, just as molecular bits orbit their atoms? As some say, the devil (as well as God) is in the details. Depends on the point they want to make. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:07:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Web Site tune up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to pass along this free service to those who have web sites. It scans 1 page of your web site and offers recommendations for improvements in a number of different areas. http://websitegarage.netscape.com/ Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:41:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: rush fees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: What do others on the list consider to be an appropriate fee for rush jobs? I'm considering a project that might be a rush job, and I'm wondering what others consider as an appropriate fee for rush jobs. The text is a 300-page text that would involve both a subject and a name index. Rates are being discussed for both indexes, but the indexes would need to be finished in less than two weeks. I don't remember seeing rush fees discussed recently so am wondering what other indexers use for rush fees? Thanks, in advance. Willa (wondering why all holiday parties have to be in the month of December, and why some aren't scheduled for after the holidays are over?....) Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: rush fees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it depends on the circumstances. How much of a rush is it? That is, how far beyond your normal page limit/week for this type of book is this? If you normally do 100 pages/wk (200 for 2 weeks) then you are expected to do 50% more work than usual. Charge accordingly. I think you need to be wary, though, because there may be indexers who can do those 300 pages in two weeks and it's not a rush price for them. I probably wouldn't charge more than about 25% extra, unless this was a real difficult project. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Willa MacAllen To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 8:41 PM Subject: rush fees > Hi All: > > What do others on the list consider to be an appropriate fee for rush jobs? > > I'm considering a project that might be a rush job, and I'm wondering what > others consider as an appropriate fee for rush jobs. The text is a > 300-page text that would involve both a subject and a name index. Rates are > being discussed for both indexes, but the indexes would need to be finished > in less than two weeks. > > I don't remember seeing rush fees discussed recently so am wondering what > other indexers use for rush fees? > > Thanks, in advance. > > Willa (wondering why all holiday parties have to be in the month of > December, and why some aren't scheduled for after the holidays are over?....) > > > Willa MacAllen > Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research > MacAllen's Information Services > Brighton, MA > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:44:11 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Attention to detail In-Reply-To: <199912110501.AAA05286@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Index-l has always been remarkable for its many flame wars, I've belonged to a fair number of lists, and my own experience has been that Index-L is relatively free of flames. I guess those of us who stay consider occasional testiness worth what we get back from the list. A truism perhaps, but still . . . Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:44:24 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: <199912120502.AAA02707@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome, Mat! (Rachel, you never told me you have a brother.) Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:45:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Attention to detail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I've belonged to a fair number of lists, and my own experience has been >that Index-L is relatively free of flames. I guess those of us who stay >consider occasional testiness worth what we get back from the list. Are you kidding? They're what I live for! I find the flame wars endlessly entertaining. R Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:46:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeeps. You'll give him a complex. I never told you I have shoe phone, either. Sorry I outed you Rat, but I think you'll have a positive presence here once you get going. R >Welcome, Mat! (Rachel, you never told me you have a brother.) > >Cheers, > > >Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My >indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. >Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer >new Web address to come Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:22:06 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Zibman Subject: Re: Saul or Paul In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The apostle's name was Saul (Aramaic form of the name), later known by the Roman form of his name, Paul. It was Paul who experienced blindness. Rachel, you know you can ask me ALL the questions you want. My source for the above answer was the Harper's Bible Dictionary, Harper & Row, 1985. Nancy At 01:32 PM 12/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm indexing a book on the shaping of biblical leaders. I am not too up on >my biblical leaders so I am afraid of looking really stupid if I query my >editor but I am not afraid of looking stupid to all of you first. So, I'm >working on chapter on Paul (first two chaps were Moses and David). So we're >reading about Paul, about Paul, about Paul, and then all of a sudden now >it's Saul and he's blinded by the light. Then a few paras later, we're back >to Paul, and he's recovering his vision. So is this an error and Saul is >really Paul? Or did Saul also get stricken blind but then Paul recovers? >Isn't Saul Old Testament? Or is there a blind Saul in the New T as well? Is >it Saul or is it Paul? Where can I get a quickie course on the Bible? (Just >kidding.) I have a feeling I'm going to be asking other similar questions >before I'm done with this book. > >Thanks, >Rae > > Rachel Rice > Directions Unlimited Desktop Services > Indexing, editing, proofreading > http://homepages.together.net/~racric > racric ICQ 31476947 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:26:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: welcome to a new indexer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: At 12:46 AM 12/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Yeeps. You'll give him a complex. I never told you I have shoe phone, either. And we didn't know that you had 8 cats until you posted your first question about cat hairs and keyboards! :) The things we learn about each other from various threads! Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:31:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Rush fees/Thanks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: Thanks, everyone, for responding to my question on rush fees, last nite. You helped to clarify the best way to think about whether jobs are rush or not, and what to request if they are. Thanks, again. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:34:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Saul or Paul I agree with Kara. I believe that the more common reference to Saul (later Paul) is Saul of Tarsus. If you are going to distinguish Paul in any way, I think that the most common form would be Paul the Apostle. The only reason I can think of doing this would be that much of the New Testament consists of the writings of Paul, which may be referenced later on in the book. It may (or may not) be useful to separate the main headings into references specifically about Paul the Apostle and references to Paul's writings, but that's a big judgment call on your part. Incidentally, if the book has a chapter on Peter (and it probably will), you will run into the same thing: Peter was called Simon until he became a follower of Jesus; Jesus specifically renamed him Peter. And there is more than one Simon, even in the New Testament, so he will have to be distinguished. > -----Original Message----- > From: John and Kara Pekar [SMTP:jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET] > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:10 PM > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Re: Saul or Paul > > Rachel, > > > Would these, > > then, be appropriate entries: > > > > Saul, King, 21 > > Saul the Pharisee. See Paul (or See Paul the Apostle) > > > > or > > > > Saul (King), 21 > > Saul (the Pharisee). See Paul > > The New Testament Saul was known as Saul of Tarsus; I would not use > parentheses with it. Yes, I would cross-reference to Paul. I'm not sure > you should identify Paul as "the Apostle"; although some Christian > denominations may think of him that way, others, including Catholic and > Episcopalian/Anglican, think of him as Saint Paul. He is usually ranked > with [Saint] Peter in terms of his importance to the Christian Church > following Christ's death (and resurrection.) Is there any indication in > the book as to how you might best identify him? If the primary readership > is denominational, I would say follow that denomination's usual mode of > reference. If the readership is more general, just "Paul" is probably > sufficient unless you have to distinguish him from other Pauls. Thus: > > Saul, King [or Saul (King)], 21 > Saul of Tarsus. See Paul [with whatever identifier your > publisher/readers/author prefer, if any] > > I hope that helps! > > Kara Pekar > Wordsmith Indexing Services > jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:06:50 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: The end of linking? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" This could have chilling effects on making web indexes.... I don't see how it could be upheld, myself, but that is because I look at a link as a locator, or a bibliographic reference.

> A Federal judge in Utah has issued a ruling that could fundamentally
> alter, if not destroy,
> the Web as it exists today.
>
> Ruling in favor of the Mormon Church, U.S. District Court Judge Tena
> Campbell issued a
> preliminary injunction prohibiting Church critics Jerald and Sandra
> Tanner from posting
> URLs of sites that featured illegal copies of a Mormon text.
>
> Putting a legal damper on linking could have a chilling effect on the
> Web: If the ruling is
> upheld, linking to copyrighted pages will theoretically become illegal.
>
> Read the story, then add your comments to this thread:
>
> The End of Linking?
> http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa121099.htm

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Absolutely bizarre to people who think for themselves, especially after considering others' input, but perfectly reasonable to information control freaks. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:22:27 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: The end of linking? In-Reply-To: <0.8a7355ab.2586718b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's how I think of it too - that these are REFERENCES. Although there have been some cases where links have been used unfairly, some linking directly to information at a deep level that normally needs to be gotten at through passwords and fees. But openly published web pages? The concept is crazy.... if you publish it, and don't password it, it can be referred to. Would this mean all the search engines using robots to find pages would have to remove their references as well? Jan Wright At 10:58 AM 12/13/99 -0500, you wrote: > I think that the Fair Use provision of copyright regulations for >printed hardcopy also applies to any ephemeral electronic text that its >copyright owner has posted for access anywhere on the Internet. The owner's >act of posting says in effect, "Anyone may use my stuff if they credit me, >but no one can profit directly from my intellectual property." > The "no-linking" ruling, if applied to print materials, would mean that >bibliographies in books were also illegal. Absolutely bizarre to people who >think for themselves, especially after considering others' input, but >perfectly reasonable to information control freaks. > Diane in Kazoo =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:34:09 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: The end of linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF4555.96B2CC20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF4555.96B2CC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jan, Do you have more information on this? I'd be interested since I happen = to be a very active member of the Mormon faith. It would be of more use = to have more complete information and not something which may be taken = out of context. Court rulings are often specifically limited to the = matter at hand and are not necessarily new "case law." It really is = dependent upon the specifics of the ruling. Most judges are very leery = about making new law decrees specially to avoid the infamous "slippery = slope" (in this case the eventual banning of linked Web sites which I'm = sure that no one wants). I'll certainly look up the reference you placed in your message.=20 Best, Sylvia Coates ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jan C. Wright=20 To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 3:06 PM Subject: The end of linking? This could have chilling effects on making web indexes.... I don't see = how it could be upheld, myself, but that is because I look at a link as = a locator, or a bibliographic reference. > A Federal judge in Utah has issued a ruling that could fundamentally = > alter, if not destroy,=20 > the Web as it exists today.=20 >=20 > Ruling in favor of the Mormon Church, U.S. District Court Judge Tena = > Campbell issued a=20 > preliminary injunction prohibiting Church critics Jerald and Sandra=20 > Tanner from posting=20 > URLs of sites that featured illegal copies of a Mormon text.=20 >=20 > Putting a legal damper on linking could have a chilling effect on = the=20 > Web: If the ruling is=20 > upheld, linking to copyrighted pages will theoretically become = illegal.=20 >=20 > Read the story, then add your comments to this thread:=20 >=20 > The End of Linking?=20 > http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa121099.htm = =3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com = =3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF4555.96B2CC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Jan,

Do you have more information on this? = I'd be=20 interested since I happen to be a very active member of the Mormon = faith. It=20 would be of more use to have more complete information and not something = which=20 may be taken out of context. Court rulings are often specifically = limited to the=20 matter at hand and are not necessarily new "case law." It really is = dependent=20 upon the specifics of the ruling. Most judges are very leery about = making new=20 law decrees specially to avoid the infamous "slippery slope" (in this = case the=20 eventual banning of linked Web sites which I'm sure that no one=20 wants).

I'll certainly look up the reference = you placed in=20 your message.

Best,

Sylvia Coates

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Jan C. Wright

To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU=20

Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 = 3:06=20 PM

Subject: The end of = linking?

This could have chilling effects on making web = indexes.... I=20 don't see how it could be upheld, myself, but that is because I look = at a link=20 as a locator, or a bibliographic reference.

> A Federal = judge in=20 Utah has issued a ruling that could fundamentally
> alter, if = not=20 destroy,
> the Web as it exists today.
>
> Ruling = in=20 favor of the Mormon Church, U.S. District Court Judge Tena
> = Campbell=20 issued a
> preliminary injunction prohibiting Church critics = Jerald and=20 Sandra
> Tanner from posting
> URLs of sites that = featured=20 illegal copies of a Mormon text.
>
> Putting a legal = damper on=20 linking could have a chilling effect on the
> Web: If the = ruling is=20
> upheld, linking to copyrighted pages will theoretically = become=20 illegal.
>
> Read the story, then add your comments to = this=20 thread:
>
> The End of Linking?
> http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa121099.htm=

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Jan

At 10:34 AM 12/13/99 +0000, you wrote:

Dear Jan,

Do you have more information on this? I'd be interested since I happen to be a very active member of the Mormon faith. It would be of more use to have more complete information and not something which may be taken out of context. Court rulings are often specifically limited to the matter at hand and are not necessarily new "case law." It really is dependent upon the specifics of the ruling. Most judges are very leery about making new law decrees specially to avoid the infamous "slippery slope" (in this case the eventual banning of linked Web sites which I'm sure that no one wants).

I'll certainly look up the reference you placed in your message.

Best,
Sylvia Coates

----- Original Message -----
From: Jan C. Wright
To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 3:06 PM
Subject: The end of linking?

This could have chilling effects on making web indexes.... I don't see how it could be upheld, myself, but that is because I look at a link as a locator, or a bibliographic reference.

> A Federal judge in Utah has issued a ruling that could fundamentally
> alter, if not destroy,
> the Web as it exists today.
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> Ruling in favor of the Mormon Church, U.S. District Court Judge Tena
> Campbell issued a
> preliminary injunction prohibiting Church critics Jerald and Sandra
> Tanner from posting
> URLs of sites that featured illegal copies of a Mormon text.
>
> Putting a legal damper on linking could have a chilling effect on the
> Web: If the ruling is
> upheld, linking to copyrighted pages will theoretically become illegal.
>
> Read the story, then add your comments to this thread:
>
> The End of Linking?
> http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa121099.htm

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=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:30:24 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peggy Pedigo Subject: Indexing an Interview MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am indexing a book which is an interview of a historian and I have never indexed interviews before. Are there any special tips for this type of material? Any good reference sources I should consult or examples? Particularly, I'm not sure how to handle the questions. Should I index the terms in the questions, or concentrate on the answers since they represent the expert's actual views? I'm assuming that the questions serve just to pull out the experts views, and are not input...at least it seems this work isn't a give and take conversation. Often the terms in the question are not even addressed by the interviewee. For example, " no, that is not the issue"...and goes on to talk about what he thinks is important. Any comments would be helpful. Peggy Pedigo Indexing Gems Cut and Polished Indexes by Peggy J. Pedigo pegped@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:40:53 -0800 Reply-To: Nancy Mulvany Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Mulvany Subject: Re: The end of linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would really like to read the court opinion. Most of what is up on About.com does not make much sense. However the About.com post states: She banned them from posting "addresses to Web sites that defendants know, or have reason to know, contain the material alleged to infringe plaintiff's copyright." If this is what the opinion is about, this has little to do with the "end of linking." It has to do with aiding in the infringement of a copyright. If I take Hans Wellisch's book, Indexing from A to Z, scan it and post it on my Web site for everyone to download, I am infringing on the copyright of the book. That is against the law. If you post a link to my infringing material on your Web site, you are aiding in the infringement. Not having read the opinion, this is my best guess about what it may be about. -nancy Nancy Mulvany Bayside Indexing Service Kensington, CA (510) 524-4195 nmulvany@bayside-indexing.com Reference Books for Indexers (http://www.bayside-indexing.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:36:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Hanks Subject: Re: Web Site tune up In-Reply-To: <00c501bf4506$71f70e40$8fb971d1@iwillp3450> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's another good one, choose single page analysis. http://www2.imagiware.com/RxHTML/ At 08:07 PM 12/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Just wanted to pass along this free service to those who have web sites. It >scans 1 page of your web site and offers recommendations for improvements in >a number of different areas. > >http://websitegarage.netscape.com/ > >Dan > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com >Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com >Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm > > Bonnie Hanks jbh3y@virginia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:34:01 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Indexing an Interview In-Reply-To: <0.2380e568.25869540@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peggy wrote: >Particularly, I'm not sure how to handle the questions. Should I index the >terms in the questions, or concentrate on the answers since they represent >the expert's actual views? I'm assuming that the questions serve just to >pull out the experts views, and are not input...at least it seems this work >isn't a give and take conversation. Often the terms in the question are not >even addressed by the interviewee. For example, " no, that is not the >issue"...and goes on to talk about what he thinks is important. My thoughts: I would most likely only index the material in the answers. Where the subject of the answers coincides with the questions, that's obvious. In the case of the answer, "no, that is not the issue..." I would index to the larger question at hand. There are two answers given, the interviewer's and the expert's, and what needs indexing first is the subject of that larger question, with additional indexing, if relevant, of the details of the expert's answer, since the expert's opinions are the subject of the book. But I would also look to see if the positions of the interviewer are forming a relevant subtext of the book, that is, are the questions (along with the answers that the interviewer posits) also forming their own conceptual line, a mode of analysis within the book itself? This tends to form indexing concepts that can be very hard to pin down, and this is most likely true in a highly complex book. It is an additional level of indexing and very likely is not warranted. --Victoria vbaker@asis.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:28:40 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Quantum Theology? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Martha wrote: >I was just offered a book about "quantum theology" - can >anyone define this for me? Haven't heard of that one ... but the other day I encountered the phrase "post-irony street cynicism" -- apparently the latest school of thought in philosophical trendiness. (No irony or cynicism here, nuh-*uh*!) RAH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:16:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: smaislin@LYCOS.COM Subject: Indexing web sites at www.lycos.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii About a month ago I requested indexing-related web sites so that I could include them in the Lycos directory. I'm please to say that I've been able to honor all requests, and that you can see the complete list at http://dir.lycos.com/Business/Industries/Publishing/Indexing/. * If you discover an error with your listing, write me at smaislin@lycos.com. Do not reply to the list. * If you own a web site you would like added, write me at smaislin@lycos.com with ONLY the following information: - complete web site address (URL) - title of web site - description of web site, no more than two sentences Please following the example of those web sites already posted online. * If you know of a web site that is not yours, but you think it should be added, please write me at smaislin@lycos.com with ONLY the full URL. It makes my life much easier if you keep your messages to short lists of URLs; any additional text just gets in the way. By listing these web sites in the directory, they are guaranteed to be found by Lycos' search engine. The ranking order of various web sites is beyond my control, and the rationale behind that ordering is considered proprietary. (No Web search engines divulge their secrets. It's sort of like soft drink formulas. :-) However, it is clear that words like "index," "indexes," and "indexing" are so overused in the Web that results are bound to be skewed. This is the other advantage of the directory: editorial control. - Seth ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:24:54 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: INDEX-L Digest - 12 Dec 1999 to 13 Dec 1999 (#1999-136) In-Reply-To: <199912140501.AAA03539@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am indexing a book which is an interview of a historian and I have never >indexed interviews before. Are there any special tips for this type of >material? Any good reference sources I should consult or examples? > >Particularly, I'm not sure how to handle the questions. Should I index the >terms in the questions, or concentrate on the answers since they represent >the expert's actual views? I'm assuming that the questions serve just to >pull out the experts views, and are not input...at least it seems this work >isn't a give and take conversation. Often the terms in the question are not >even addressed by the interviewee. For example, " no, that is not the >issue"...and goes on to talk about what he thinks is important. > I indexed a book that was chock full of interviews (of Adam Michnik). I treated the questions as hints about what the answers were going to be about, but as you point out, the interviewee doesn't always answer the question. Sometimes authors, too, will write a bunch o' questions, often at the start of a chapter, and those aren't really indexable content so much as a little outline of what will be addressed in the chapter. So in the book of interviews, I treated the answers as the indexable part and just used the interviewer's questions as cues. If, however, the interviewer included historical background in the question (sometimes to get the interviewee to confirm or deny), I did index that material. Here's a sample (and made up; my apologies to the Wash. Post) of what that might look like: interviewer: The Washington Post has always been big on conspiracy theories. I can still remember when they speculated that Buddy Holly shot JFK. What do you think about that? (p. 27) interviewee: I don't think he did it. But I do think the Yankees will win the Series again next year. (p. 28) entries generated: Holly, Buddy, 27-28 Kennedy, John F., 27-28 New York Yankees, 28 Washington Post, 27 Yankees (New York), 28 If you want to take a look at it, the book I'm referring to is _Letters from Freedom: Post-Cold War Realities and Perspectives_, edited by Irena Grudzinska Gross (University of California Press, 1998). Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:25:30 -0800 Reply-To: elinorl@mcn.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: Interesting index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought you might be interested in this new website index. Anyone know who worked on it? ULTIMATE INDEX As part of its site redesign, Vanguard has debuted its comprehensive Index for Education, Planning, and Advice. This useful index cross-references hundreds of mutual fund terms with the excellent course offerings at Vanguard's site. Now you can not only look up a term definition, but also link directly to a discussion of how that term fits into the mutual fund investing picture. You can either scroll down the list for the term you're seeking or click on a letter to hone your search. To try out the index, go to http://www.vanguard.com/educ/find/idx/EPAMainIndex.html Elinor Lindheimer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:45:04 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nina Forrest Subject: Locators for subheadings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4641.CEC37DC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4641.CEC37DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I made the following index entry: Rosh Hashanah kingship 10-15, 16, 17-19 The author has three headings in a row (on the pages shown above) that = talk about the concept of kingship on Rosh Hashanah but 1) the three = discussions have a great deal of overlap and 2) I do not want to use = sub-subheadings. Does the above arrangement make sense or should I have = the subheading "kingship" 10-19? TIA and Happy Holidays to all. Nina Nina Forrest Looking Up Indexing Service 505-856-9166 e-mail: ninaf@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4641.CEC37DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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TIA and Happy Holidays to all.

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e-mail: ninaf@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4641.CEC37DC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:44:59 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ellen Davenport Subject: Job opportunity Comments: cc: mcampbell@seibel.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello-- I just received this request for applicants for an indexing position in northern California. They are looking for indexers who know and use Frame, and who can work part-time on site, in their offices in Emeryville and San Mateo, California. > **NOTE: Please respond directly to Mary Ann Campbell at the address given below.** Ellen Davenport >========================== > >Under limited supervision provide indexing support for multiple >writing groups as they prepare user documentation for Siebel Application >products. >You will index multi-volume, multi-book documents , entering index >entries directly into Framemaker books/files. >Although you may work off-site while you are working on paper, all >Framemaker work must be done on-site in Emeryville or San Mateo. >Product documentation may include concepts manuals, application >and developer guides, installation guides, reference manuals, and >product examples. >Requirements: >* Typically, 2-3 years experience as an indexer in fast-paced software >development environments >* Excellent oral and written communication skills >* Skilled at FrameMaker > >Send resumes to: > >Mary Ann Campbell >Technical Publications >Siebel Systems, Inc. >1900 Powell Street >Emeryville, CA 94608 >mcampbell@seibel.com >(510) 594-6148 > > > >Mary Ann Campbell >Manager, Technical Writing >Siebel Systems, Inc. >phone (510) 594-6148 >fax (510) 594-6114 > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:06:07 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: Usability studies reply Comments: To: natalieboon@ICQMAIL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Natalie: This is a belated reply to your question of last week. I'm sending it to INDEX-L and to you directly. Let's see what happens to it. Let me know. Diana Witt What's going on right now is deadlines and Christmas preparations, at least on my part. I've had some email discussion with Sharon regarding this, but nothing concrete. Part of the reason is that I have been waiting until we have a contract with an administrative services group, which should be settled by next week. The groups we have been looking at all offer webmaster and web design support, so I want to be able to tap that resource, since ASI will be paying for it anyway. Please contact me at any time if you don't hear from me. I'll keep your address on file, and contact you when we have something substantive. Diana Witt Natalie Boon wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering what is going on in regards to this. I'm physically remote, but interested. I have some background in the usability area. > > Natalie > > On Thu, 02 December 1999, SHughes512@AOL.COM wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/2/99 3:20:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > dlwitt@CONCENTRIC.NET writes: > > > > << Maybe I wasn't too clear. I wasn't suggesting we ourselves design a > > usability > > test, but rather put on a workshop at the conference to discuss how such > > studies and tests should be designed and used. I would see the workshop as a > > way to gather background materials for the design and implementation of > > usability tests. This material could then be used as a way of developing > > standards and perhaps a template for such testing that ASI could offer other > > organizations as a guideline for evaluating their indexes. I was not > > envisioning ASI getting into the usability study > > business, but I do think we should push for evaluation of indexes and > > materials > > that need indexing in the publishing field. > > Diana >> > > > > That sounds good to me. Sorry, I didn't get that from your first note. > > It also sounds like something that we could get some funding to support. You > > can count me in. > > Sharon > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Natalie Boon > natalieboon@icqmail.com > ICQ#: 52895289 > > Information Architect > Institute for Leadership Development (ILD): > A United Nations Global Partnership Program > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:14:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Rofman Organization: @Home Network Subject: Bad address MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to bother all of you but I'm trying to sign-off and mail is returned from: listserv@bingvmb.binghamton.cc.edu. Could someone let me know the correct address? Thanks.