Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9909A" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Help with Asian Names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:52 AM 9/1/99 +1000, Sandra Henderson wrote: >The URL in the message below is incorrect. The National Library of >Australia is online at http://www.nla.gov.au and the catalogue can be found >at http://www.nla.gov.au/webpac/ >(I'm sure Ralph is a regular user, and it was just one of those cases of the >fingers working a little independently of the brain, which happens to all of >us sometimes!) Thanks to you both for the URL. That will be invaluable. Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:04:31 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: The Indexer Zone: Episode 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rolling on the floor, Bob! Where would we be without you? But how about this? (Not as funny, but...) << NK. Yes. Out of twenty-five. If the TOC is correct, 475 pages are missing. NK. Oh. The packager? I see. When do you think I will receive the missing pages? Tomorrow? Oh, just the first 120 pages tomorrow. And the rest by next Thursday. Ahh..... NK. Okay. Now, looking at my calendar I see that this means the deadline for my receipt of pages has slipped by three weeks. You understand that your job has now landed on top of another job. When I have all of the pages, I'll call you and let you know when I can finish it. Of course, as I always do, I'll get it done for you as fast as possible! But you understand that it wouldn't be fair to other clients not to finish their jobs on time...Yes. So the official deadline, of course, needs to be three weeks later...that looks like the 23rd to me. I'll try my best to get it to you sooner! And of course you'll let me know if the schedule changes again. Great! It's so nice working with clients like you who don't expect me to finish the index in one day just because they were late!....Yes, some people actually demand that!....No, I'm not kidding....Yes, you're right, they really don't care about the quality of the index...Well, I do appreciate you. Thanks! It really can go like this.... Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:48:17 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Re: Editors changing our index Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As an editor who does her own indexing, I have a few things to say about this topic. Ardith said, "I am underwhelmed by this seemingly ignorant editing. Much thought went into this index to make it a more or less flowing work for the sake of the reader." If, in fact, everything went according to how Ardith explained it, and I'm not saying it didn't, then I agree with Ardith in the "ignorant editing" comment. If she had been told in the beginning what *not* to index, then her work would have gone faster, albeit she'd be biting her tongue with everything she figured should be in there but couldn't be. One thing about some editors, and I've been the victim of this myself, is that some of them absolutely cannot leave any kind of work unmarked, no matter how good or perfect it is to begin with. Some of it is an ego thing, and some of it is insecurity/job nerves talking in the form of "my boss is going to review this and I have to show that I really worked on it". If it's ego, then you're stuck with grinning and bearing it, assuming you want to continue working for these folks (bottom-line-ism, as someone [Dan?] was so apt in putting it). If it's insecurity/job nerves talking, then you have to pity the poor sap and hope he/she gets some guts real soon. These aren't solutions... just another perspective. Hope it helped. Elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:58:34 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Psvenndex@AOL.COM Subject: Industrial Pollution index help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Afternoon, I am working on a text about industrial pollution and plant response. It has 21 different articles (and authors) on this topic. The authors sent marked up pages with corrections etc. and several included highlighting for the index. I also receive the corrected "clean pages". Of those so highlighted they marked plant names, when common names (soybean) was given it was not marked. But most chapters were not highlighted for the index. I queried the editor and she felt that if they were marked they better go in. To me, and I am no expert in this field, I wonder if they will be of any use. I mean will the readers look up Picris hieraciodes ? Most of the time the plants are mentioned as results to studies or how they react to ozone etc.; and usually there is a list of them. The preface refers to how the objective of the book is to understand the link between environ. and plant and to show where future research needs to go. I am very near to finishing the book but keep going back and forth about keeping these entries. Space is usually not a concern for this pub. Thanks for any input. Pamela Venneman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:26:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help Comments: To: Psvenndex@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bad news - I think you need to keep these entries. As a chemist, I know that when looking at books in reference to my own work, the index is a major factor in finding information on a particular compound or mineral or element. This is analogous to a biologist working on a PARTICULAR plant, and wanting to find relevant information. You probably also need to cross-reference from a subheading for the individual species or double post. You might also consider a general "see also specific species". The key here is that hopefully, some species are more resistant than others, and that should be a subject of study. Have fun. Iris Psvenndex@aol.com wrote: > > Good Afternoon, > I am working on a text about industrial pollution and plant response. It has > 21 different articles (and authors) on this topic. The authors sent marked > up pages with corrections etc. and several included highlighting for the > index. I also receive the corrected "clean pages". Of those so highlighted > they marked plant names, when common names (soybean) was given it was not > marked. But most chapters were not highlighted for the index. > I queried the editor and she felt that if they were marked they better go > in. To me, and I am no expert in this field, I wonder if they will be of any > use. I mean will the readers look up Picris hieraciodes ? Most of the time > the plants are mentioned as results to studies or how they react to ozone > etc.; and usually there is a list of them. The preface refers to how the > objective of the book is to understand the link between environ. and plant > and to show where future research needs to go. > I am very near to finishing the book but keep going back and forth about > keeping these entries. Space is usually not a concern for this pub. > Thanks for any input. > Pamela Venneman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:29:47 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why don't you simply double post both the scientific and the common names of the plants? That way readers will be able to look up plant names under either. If space is not a problem double posting seems like a reasonable solution. That way you have made the authors happy and the index will serve both the expert and the novice readers. And, in any case, both scientific and common plant names should be listed in the index. By the way, I would probably index the plant names as follows: common name (scientific name), 11 scientific name (common name), 11 That way it would be instantly clear to readers that both entries are referring to the same plant and not to two different plants. And, unless there is extensive discussion requiring numerous subentries, I would double post these entries rather then use cross references. It can be irritating to a reader to be sent to another entry which only contains one or maybe two page references. Best, Sylvia Coates Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Psvenndex@AOL.COM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: Industrial Pollution index help >Good Afternoon, >I am working on a text about industrial pollution and plant response. It has >21 different articles (and authors) on this topic. The authors sent marked >up pages with corrections etc. and several included highlighting for the >index. I also receive the corrected "clean pages". Of those so highlighted >they marked plant names, when common names (soybean) was given it was not >marked. But most chapters were not highlighted for the index. > I queried the editor and she felt that if they were marked they better go >in. To me, and I am no expert in this field, I wonder if they will be of any >use. I mean will the readers look up Picris hieraciodes ? Most of the time >the plants are mentioned as results to studies or how they react to ozone >etc.; and usually there is a list of them. The preface refers to how the >objective of the book is to understand the link between environ. and plant >and to show where future research needs to go. > I am very near to finishing the book but keep going back and forth about >keeping these entries. Space is usually not a concern for this pub. >Thanks for any input. >Pamela Venneman > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:11:18 -0700 Reply-To: Homer Ellison Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Homer Ellison Subject: Writer's Market MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are interested in a very inexpensive (but new) copy of the 1999 Writer's Market, I am currently selling it through Amazon.com Auctions. You can find the listing and place your bid here: http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y04X5283469X6832172 /qid=936205932/sr=1-1/002-2097586-3507814 I have also included a description, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with Writer's Market. The auction ends this evening, so you will have to respond today if you're interested. Regards, Homer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:06:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Remembering what I indexed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I index so many books that I often can't recall just what it was I was reading several months ago. I've always wanted to write a paragraph about the book, or do a book report, something to remind me of all the stuff I've read. When I throw out the page proofs (sometimes after a year or so: I love to hoard paper, never know when that editor might call me back eight months down the line...) I always regret it since I don't usually have a copy of the book. I've started to staple together the table of contents and a few pages from the introduction (more if I like the book) for each project and am saving them all in a file to read over sometimes when I feel the urge to jog my memory. Just thought I'd pass the idea along for those of you who can't remember every project they've ever indexed. I wish I'd done this all along. I just spent twenty minutes or so reading through some of them and am surprised at how much of the book I remember if I have a few pages to prompt my slow memory. It was FUN! :) Paula Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:41:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Posada Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My opinion...if space is not a concern or issue, index-away! Again, my opinion...the more directions a user can use to get to the information they are looking for...what-the-harm. ESPECIALY if you arer being paid by the entry. :-) If space is not an issue, and the publisher wants it that detailed, it seems that the only thing you are using to base it on is personal opinion. ... > preface refers to how the > objective of the book is to understand the link > between environ. and plant > and to show where future research needs to go. > I am very near to finishing the book but keep going > back and forth about > keeping these entries. Space is usually not a > concern for this pub. > Thanks for any input. > Pamela Venneman > === John Posada, Merck Research Laboratories Sr Technical Writer, WinHelp and html (work) john_posada@merck.com - 732-594-0873 (pers) jposada01@yahoo.com - 732-291-7811 "The art of creating software that is usable by individuals is a communication skill. It is not a programming skill." --Bill Atkinson, creator of MacPaint and HyperCard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:41:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it depends on the audience. If this book is intended for use by researchers or professionals in the field, then I'd definitely include the scientific names, especially if space isn't a concern. Diane www.dianebrenner.com Psvenndex@AOL.COM wrote: > Good Afternoon, > I am working on a text about industrial pollution and plant response. It has > 21 different articles (and authors) on this topic. The authors sent marked > up pages with corrections etc. and several included highlighting for the > index. I also receive the corrected "clean pages". Of those so highlighted > they marked plant names, when common names (soybean) was given it was not > marked. But most chapters were not highlighted for the index. > I queried the editor and she felt that if they were marked they better go > in. To me, and I am no expert in this field, I wonder if they will be of any > use. I mean will the readers look up Picris hieraciodes ? Most of the time > the plants are mentioned as results to studies or how they react to ozone > etc.; and usually there is a list of them. The preface refers to how the > objective of the book is to understand the link between environ. and plant > and to show where future research needs to go. > I am very near to finishing the book but keep going back and forth about > keeping these entries. Space is usually not a concern for this pub. > Thanks for any input. > Pamela Venneman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:17:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help In-Reply-To: <199909011733.NAA02501@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > By the way, I would probably index the plant names as follows: > > common name (scientific name), 11 > scientific name (common name), 11 FWIW, it's a trivial task in Cindex to make all your initial entries in one format then globally double post under the other form at the end. If you've got hundreds of entries, it's a real time saver. You may want to practice on a copy of your file until you get the hang of it. Let's say you enter everything as "common name (scientific name)" When data entry is done, do this: FIND/FIELD=1/PATTERN )$ (Find all records wherein field 1 ends in a right paren. This may include some items that end in right parens but are not plant names. You may have to issue a couple more FIND commands to remove those.) DUPLICATE (Duplicate all the records in the view. You now have two copies of all the "common name (scientific name)" records. One copy is in the current view, one copy is in the main Cindex file. SUBSTITUTE/FIELD=1/PATTERN {?*} {(?*)} (Substitute for the subpatterns "any string of any characters (subpattern 1)" followed by "parentheses containing any string of characters (subpattern 2)".) When Cindex asks for the substitution values, respond: \2 (\1) This flips the two subpatterns, enclosing the first subpattern "common name" in parentheses and making the second subpattern ("scientific name") the new primary entry. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:50:47 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beti Spangel Subject: Working With Authors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As a newbie, and at the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, I was wondering exactly "working with the author" consists of. Do they sit at your elbow and watch your every pencil mark? Do they review every chapter that you index? Do they phone you nightly for updates? Exactly what kind of input do they make that most folks out there seem to cringe at the idea of working with them? I found the thread about working with authors and whether or not to sign a contract very interesting, but would like to know exactly what kind of experiences people are referring to. Beti Spangel Spread the Word Indexing spreadword@excite.com ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:55:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: reference books deals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI-- Just found an advert in a recent issue of ARCHEOLOGY offering The Cambridge Biographical Encyclopedia for $7.50, and QPB has Roget's Super Thesaurus and M-W's Geographical Dictionary in their intro offer for new memebers @ $1.00 and $2.00 respectively, plus postage. Naomi PS Please excuse any duplicate postings you may receive. *****************************************************************************J. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 459 Redway Drive Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ****************************************************************************** http://www.asindexing.org <-- American Society of Indexers website. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help In-Reply-To: <199909011833.OAA01246@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > When data entry is done, do this: > > FIND/FIELD=1/PATTERN )$ Well, the special characters are mis-translated by my mail reader. If anyone wants to know how to do this, mail me off line and I'll send you an ASCII attachment. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:30:29 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Working With Authors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Beti, I can only refer to my own experience in working with authors but this is what usually happens. You are contacted by the author, discuss the project and agree on the specifications and arrange for the delivery of page proofs. Sometimes the author will give you a list of terms or concepts they would like to see in the index. This list should only act as guide and not the infamous "index terms which only need page references added." After you have finished up the index you then send it off to the author. Often I have authors who say "Great, I'll send you the check." Equally often I'll have authors send me a list of corrections or terms they would like added to the index. Usually this list is pretty small and it typically takes less than an hour to finish up the final index version. Now, the above scenario isn't the situation that makes most indexers cringe. What does make indexers cringe is to have authors who insist on spending hours (literally hours) on the phone with you. Who hound you daily about your "progress." Who have a seemingly endless list of corrections to the index. Who are unreasonable and rude and insist on teaching you how to properly index. Fortunately, these kind of authors are the exception rather than the rule. But there are enough of these characters that most indexers have had at least one experience with them. And then there is the occasional oddball author. I once had the scare of my life one Saturday evening when an author rang my doorbell and invited himself in for awhile. My husband had gone out to get a video for the evening and I was alone. The author turned out to be harmless and just "wanted to talk" (really to complain about how hard it is to self publish) but it shook me up. (And yes, I really was pretty dumb to let him in the door. Not one of my smarter moves but I though it was one of my kids who had forgotten their key.) On the other hand, one of my most pleasant indexing experiences was working directly with an author. I actually went to his home and we worked together on the index and took turns holding his new baby girl. He was an absolute delight to work with and I have never before or since worked with an author in such a way. This was an exceptional situation in that the author had taken the trouble to educate himself about indexing (even having read several books on the subject), was open to learning, and had interesting contributions to make. It's not likely that I'll ever have another similar experience working so closely with an author. Most of the time working with an author, at least for me, is as described in my first paragraph. But I imagine that there are as many difference experiences as there are indexers and authors. And your question was a perfectly reasonable one. When in doubt ask! Best, Sylvia Coates -----Original Message----- From: Beti Spangel To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: Working With Authors >As a newbie, and at the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, I was >wondering exactly "working with the author" consists of. Do they sit at >your elbow and watch your every pencil mark? Do they review every chapter >that you index? Do they phone you nightly for updates? Exactly what kind of >input do they make that most folks out there seem to cringe at the idea of >working with them? I found the thread about working with authors and >whether or not to sign a contract very interesting, but would like to know >exactly what kind of experiences people are referring to. > >Beti Spangel >Spread the Word Indexing >spreadword@excite.com > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com >Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:38:56 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KMArrigoni@AOL.COM Subject: Cross-platform file problems/FrameMaker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a potential new client that wants me to do an embedded Frame index for them. Since they use PCs and I use Macs, I thought that it would be a good idea to do a test file first. They sent me a file and it came across as generic looking, but I was able to open it with the File > Open command. I added some embedded entries and sent it back to them. Well, they couldn't open it on their end. They get an "Unknown File Type" dialog box. We've tried all kinds of things: selecting all of the appropriate cross-platform options in Preferences, sending it as a zipped file, etc., but they still can't open it. Can you think of anything else I can try? By the way, they are using version 5.5.6 and I'm using 5.5.3--I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I've ordered the 5.5.6 upgrade and should receive it by the end of the week. It's not an e-mail problem because I sent them a Word file and they were able to open it with no problems. Also, I'm thinking of buying the PC version of Frame in the future (since I could use it on my PC laptop, which I just bought). Is it a lot different than the Mac version?? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Karin P.S. I get the digest form for messages, so if anyone has a solution, would you cc me on your reply? Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:04:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Gratitude - and work-for-hire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEF49C.0E0D9800" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEF49C.0E0D9800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you to all the kind list members who replied to my concerns = regarding publishing house and editor idiosyncrasies. I appreciate your = input. The majority of those who responded believe that we are, for the = most part,work-for-hire and the bottomline (pun intended) is that the = editor has the last word (pun intended.) But, I will, when possible, continue to insert my 2 cents worth in = deciding about an index WITH an editor - if they are interested in my 2 = cents. Sometimes one does not know the question to ask of the editor, but I am = learning - fast! Thanks, everyone. =20 Ardith Ayotte, R.T. ABBA Index Services ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEF49C.0E0D9800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you to all the kind list = members who=20 replied to my concerns regarding publishing house and editor=20 idiosyncrasies.  I appreciate your input.  The majority of = those who=20 responded believe that we are, for the most part,work-for-hire and the=20 bottomline (pun intended) is that the editor has the last word (pun=20 intended.)
 
But, I will, when possible, continue = to insert=20 my 2 cents worth in deciding about an index WITH an editor - if they are = interested in my 2 cents.
 
Sometimes one does not know the question to ask of = the editor,=20 but I am learning - fast!
 
Thanks, everyone.  =
 
Ardith Ayotte, R.T.
ABBA Index Services
 
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEF49C.0E0D9800-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:21:58 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: Working With Authors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only thing I would add to Sylvia's comments is that in one case, I had an author who felt that the word "index" was synomymous with "concordance," that is, he felt every word he wrote was significant! Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 fax: 206-985-8796 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Coates To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:30 AM Subject: Re: Working With Authors > Dear Beti, > > I can only refer to my own experience in working with authors but this is > what usually happens. You are contacted by the author, discuss the project > and agree on the specifications and arrange for the delivery of page proofs. > Sometimes the author will give you a list of terms or concepts they would > like to see in the index. This list should only act as guide and not the > infamous "index terms which only need page references added." After you > have finished up the index you then send it off to the author. Often I have > authors who say "Great, I'll send you the check." Equally often I'll have > authors send me a list of corrections or terms they would like added to the > index. Usually this list is pretty small and it typically takes less than an > hour to finish up the final index version. > > Now, the above scenario isn't the situation that makes most indexers cringe. > What does make indexers cringe is to have authors who insist on spending > hours (literally hours) on the phone with you. Who hound you daily about > your "progress." Who have a seemingly endless list of corrections to the > index. Who are unreasonable and rude and insist on teaching you how to > properly index. Fortunately, these kind of authors are the exception rather > than the rule. But there are enough of these characters that most indexers > have had at least one experience with them. > > And then there is the occasional oddball author. I once had the scare of my > life one Saturday evening when an author rang my doorbell and invited > himself in for awhile. My husband had gone out to get a video for the > evening and I was alone. The author turned out to be harmless and just > "wanted to talk" (really to complain about how hard it is to self publish) > but it shook me up. (And yes, I really was pretty dumb to let him in the > door. Not one of my smarter moves but I though it was one of my kids who had > forgotten their key.) > > On the other hand, one of my most pleasant indexing experiences was working > directly with an author. I actually went to his home and we worked together > on the index and took turns holding his new baby girl. He was an absolute > delight to work with and I have never before or since worked with an author > in such a way. This was an exceptional situation in that the author had > taken the trouble to educate himself about indexing (even having read > several books on the subject), was open to learning, and had interesting > contributions to make. It's not likely that I'll ever have another similar > experience working so closely with an author. > > Most of the time working with an author, at least for me, is as described in > my first paragraph. But I imagine that there are as many difference > experiences as there are indexers and authors. > > And your question was a perfectly reasonable one. When in doubt ask! > > Best, > Sylvia Coates > -----Original Message----- > From: Beti Spangel > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 7:03 PM > Subject: Working With Authors > > > >As a newbie, and at the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, I was > >wondering exactly "working with the author" consists of. Do they sit at > >your elbow and watch your every pencil mark? Do they review every chapter > >that you index? Do they phone you nightly for updates? Exactly what kind > of > >input do they make that most folks out there seem to cringe at the idea of > >working with them? I found the thread about working with authors and > >whether or not to sign a contract very interesting, but would like to know > >exactly what kind of experiences people are referring to. > > > >Beti Spangel > >Spread the Word Indexing > >spreadword@excite.com > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > >Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:12:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: Re: Cross-platform file problems/FrameMaker Comments: cc: KMArrigoni@aol.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Karin, Make sure you are both using the same encoding. I believe Mac usually uses binhex but the PC software at the other end is not normally looking for that and your file will come across all funny. My ftp software (Fetch) has the option to send "rawdata" and this carries across to PC just fine. Or the other option I suppose is if the client's ftp software is set to recieve binhex but I've never tried that. Keith McQuay Foreword Indexing Services 613-278-0426 http://Foreword.pair.com keithm@superaje.com ---------- >From: KMArrigoni@AOL.COM >To: INDEX-L@listserv.binghamton.edu >Subject: Cross-platform file problems/FrameMaker >Date: Wed, Sep 1, 1999, 4:38 PM > >Hi all, > >I have a potential new client that wants me to do an embedded Frame index >for them. Since they use PCs and I use Macs, I thought that it would be >a good idea to do a test file first. They sent me a file and it came >across as generic looking, but I was able to open it with the File > Open >command. I added some embedded entries and sent it back to them. > >Well, they couldn't open it on their end. They get an "Unknown File >Type" dialog box. We've tried all kinds of things: selecting all of the >appropriate cross-platform options in Preferences, sending it as a zipped >file, etc., but they still can't open it. Can you think of anything else >I can try? By the way, they are using version 5.5.6 and I'm using >5.5.3--I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I've ordered the >5.5.6 upgrade and should receive it by the end of the week. > >It's not an e-mail problem because I sent them a Word file and they were >able to open it with no problems. > >Also, I'm thinking of buying the PC version of Frame in the future (since >I could use it on my PC laptop, which I just bought). Is it a lot >different than the Mac version?? > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > >Karin > >P.S. I get the digest form for messages, so if anyone has a solution, >would you cc me on your reply? Thanks! > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:55 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Frank Stearns Subject: Re: Cross-platform file problems/FrameMaker In-Reply-To: from "KMArrigoni@AOL.COM" at Sep 1, 99 04:38:56 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, they couldn't open it on their end. They get an "Unknown File > Type" dialog box. We've tried all kinds of things: selecting all of the The Mac experts can correct me on the details, but as I recall the Mac can place an additional 500 bytes or so at the head of a file to help ID the file to the Mac system. But this is only for the Mac, and will confuse apps reading the file on non-Mac systems. There is a way to turn of this header info when you want to send a file to another OS, but I don't recall the specifics. (Back in my days as an editor in a multi-OS Frame environment we had to deal with this. But once solved, Frame's binary compatible files made this environment work very well. Writers were using Unix, PCs, and Mac and passing files back and forth all day, no problems.) If you do get Frame for the PC, you may want to look into our indexing add-on for FrameMaker, called IXgen (web url below). + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + | Frank Stearns Associates | Developers of Tools for FrameMaker(r): | | mailto:franks@fsatools.com | IXgen, FM2A, Programmable Export Kit | | 360/892-3970 fx:360/253-1498 | Now shipping IXgen 5.5 for Windows!! | + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + | http://www.pacifier.com/~franks (Email if web page access problems) | + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:38:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help In-Reply-To: <199909012028.QAA27170@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > When data entry is done, do this: > > > > FIND/FIELD=1/PATTERN )$ > > Well, the special characters are mis-translated by my mail reader. On second thought, they are OK. It's my eyes that are going bad. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:34:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: susanhernandez@JUNO.COM Subject: Re: Industrial Pollution index help Pam, When you index the plant names, you might be able to shortcut a little by only giving the Genus spp. Especially if there is a list of plants with a common genus, group them in this way: Picris spp. (common name is very general) (The Picris is in italics, the spp. isn't) Also, I use Sky Index and I wrote a few macros to make flipping the entries from scientific name (common name) to common name (scientific name) very easy. I type in one, hit the macro key, and instantly flip it and add the page number. (If you are using Sky for this one, I can e-mail the macro to you, and you would just need to copy it into the macro field.) - Susan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:44:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paula must have lots of space in her house to be able to keep complete sets of page proofs around for a year or more. I usually toss them out within about a week of finishing the book. Believe it or not, I make sure that I can completely forget a book before I start on my next job. There was a time, back in the mid-1980s, when I had to index several books on Lotus 1-2-3, for several different publishers, one right after another. If I did not "forget" what was in each one, I would have been completely confused about what I had indexed. I would have been going back over pages to find a reference which would have been in a different book! Another year I happened to index five introductory psychology textbooks for five publishers. The books covered the same territory for the same course. Again, I had to "forget" what was in each book to keep my sanity. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:06:19 -0400 "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" writes: > I index so many books that I often can't recall just what it was I was > reading several months ago. I've always wanted to write a paragraph about > the book, or do a book report, something to remind me of all the stuff I've > read. When I throw out the page proofs (sometimes after a year or so: I > love to hoard paper, never know when that editor might call me back eight > months down the line...) I always regret it since I don't usually have a > copy of the book. I've started to staple together the table of contents > and a few pages from the introduction (more if I like the book) for each > project and am saving them all in a file to read over sometimes when I feel > the urge to jog my memory. Just thought I'd pass the idea along for those > of you who can't remember every project they've ever indexed. I wish I'd > done this all along. I just spent twenty minutes or so reading through > some of them and am surprised at how much of the book I remember if I have > a few pages to prompt my slow memory. It was FUN! :) > > Paula Durbin-Westby > dwindex@louisa.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:57:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:44 AM 9/2/99 -0400, Elliot Linzer wrote: > I usually toss them [page proofs] out within about a week of finishing the book. > Believe it or not, I make sure that I can completely forget a book >before I start on my next job. There was a time, back in the mid-1980s, >when I had to index several books on Lotus 1-2-3, for several different >publishers, one right after another. If I did not "forget" what was in >each one, I would have been completely confused about what I had indexed. > I would have been going back over pages to find a reference which would >have been in a different book! About page proofs, in general it's a good idea to keep them as long as you can--about 3 months is a good time frame, just in case. I have actually had editors call me and ask for the proofs much later, because THEY had thrown the original set out and needed to prove a point or something. Of course, in cases like that, it had nothing to do with the index and it wouldn't have mattered if I had kept the proofs or not. Elliot's right--it is really necessary to forget the other books as much as possible. Recently, I had several cookbooks to index at about the same time. For about a day, while I was working on one, I would use the FIND command in Cindex and not find what I wanted, simply because what I was looking for I had put into one of the other indexes! Of course, as I got deeper into each index, this problem disappeared. I keep the title pages of all the books I index and I add my new books to my CV as soon as I get each one, so I at least have a list of what I have indexed. However, I don't always remember what I have indexed, as one day last week I received a portfolio copy of a book I had indexed about 9 months ago. When I opened the package and saw the book, it completely escaped me for a moment that I had indexed it! What a weird (and frankly scary) feeling! Cynthia ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen, M.S., M.A., M.L.I.S. Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services Specialities: Food History, Nutrition, Cookbooks, Gastronomy cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ Long before institutionalized religions came along--and temples and churches--there was an unquestioned recognition that what goes on in a kitchen is holy. Cooking involves an enormously rich coming together of the fruits of the earth with the inventive genius of the human being. ---Laurel Robertson--- ****************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:44:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed In-Reply-To: <199909021202.IAA11661@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I keep the title pages of all the books I index Now there's a good idea. I'm not good at keeping a list of what I've done. I'd have to go back through all my invoices to compile a list of titles. A file of title pages would be pretty handy. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:48:56 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Up until recently, I had no trouble remembering titles or at least topics of every book I had indexed, and some of the factual information as well. Of course, as a relative beginner, I hadn't worked on that many books, so it wasn't hard to distinguish between them. This month, though, I plowed through five indexes in three weeks. A week later, I couldn't remember anything about the first one other than the publisher's name (and the fact that it had been somewhat easier than many of that publisher's books.) That kind of "memory loss" was scary to me! Fortunately, a quick look at my master index list was enough to remind me. At the end of each book, when I create the invoice, I also add the title, author(s), publisher, and date completed to a master list of all the indexes I've done. I've divided the list by year, so I don't have to scan through all the titles at once. I use this list to add/subtract titles from the project list I send out with my resume. I keep page proofs for a few months, then either recycle them or use them as scratch paper (and then recycle them.) So far, I've never had a publisher ask for them, and most of them have indicated I don't need to keep them. I usually figure a few months gets the book into print, and at that point, the proofs aren't really necessary any more. I am curious as to where/how other indexers store them, though; my husband gets tired of the stacks of old proofs on the floor in my office! Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:37:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Judith W. Kip" Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I keep the title page *and* the copyright page of books I index, stapled = to the invoice and my hard copy, in my file for each publisher. I keep proofs at least until I am paid, or until the large drawer in whic= h I store them is full. Then they get recycled. Occasionally I keep proof= s semipermanently. I do this for books I get a feeling may "come back to bite" me -- where authors were involved and may want changes made, for instance. (I have done a couple of books where I was paid before the questions were asked.) = After one really great experience working with an author -- someone who writes for major publications but was doing her first book and was very concerned about quality and accuracy -- I put the proofs away in my offic= e just from some intuitive feeling that I might need them. About three months after I did the index she sent me a copy of the book. I was mortified to see that the end notes references were all wrong. After a moment of panic about my indexing ability/sanity I was able to check the proofs and find that the endnotes had been reset in larger types *after* = I indexed them and so the numbers no longer matched the pages. I e-mailed her and we fixed it for the paperback edition, but I would not so easily= have been able to figure out why they were wrong if I hadn't had the proofs. = Most of the time, though, I get the feeling that no one will ever ask me= any questions for which I need the proofs. Judy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judith W. Kip Indexing Owego, New York = JudithKip@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:16:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: paper pile-up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara, Re: where to store those page proofs that one has to hang on to "just a little longer": I have a corner of a shelf in one of the steel storage shelving units in our garage. Since it's 18 inches deep, I can go 2-deep in stacks on page proof. I just have one little corner -- wide enough for a stack of papers, and another in front of it. When the stacks are full, up to the top of the shelf, enough time has gone by so that they get tossed. For immediate needs, I have a Rubbermaid tall wastebasket in a corner of my office. The "don't need these now" page proofs get tossed in there when I'm done with them. Again, they are there should an immediate need arise to check something out, because it takes about 2 weeks to fill it up and then get emptied, so the proofs are there for 2 weeks should the publisher have questions. Those systems work for me. I am constantly amazed at HOW MUCH paper I recycle!! Between 2 newspapers a day (local and NYTimes) and work stuff, it really adds up. Have a Happy Labor Day, everybody. That's what it will be for me -- a Labor day! TTFN Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:27:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've always kept the title page and the page with the Library of Congress stuff on it that has the ISBN #. R >> >> I keep the title pages of all the books I index > >Now there's a good idea. I'm not good at keeping a list of what I've done. >I'd have to go back through all my invoices to compile a list of titles. A >file of title pages would be pretty handy. > >Dick Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:36:38 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DTDIGGS@AOL.COM Subject: Indexing in the future MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpt: 21 IDEAS FOR THE 21ST CENTURY: THE MIND IS IMMORTAL Business Week magazine in a recent issue discusses 21 ideas that may be key to understanding the next century. One idea is the simulation of an individual's brain activity, making it possible for future generations to converse with a virtual equivalent of the person years after his or her death. By the 2030s, technology may be developed to simulate a nervous system's electrical activity, allowing thoughts and feelings to be preserved. Initial versions of the hardware for this "Soul Catcher" have already been developed. A person's life could be recorded using tiny video cameras housed in eyeglass frames. These cameras could be linked to IBM's newest hard disk, which is the size of a quarter and stores 300 MB, or one month worth of data. IBM is also developing software to index video content automatically, allowing users to easily access a specific moment in their lives. By 2099, a "Soul Emancipator" will be able to access the hard data and reconstruct a person's thoughts and feelings, allowing future generations to receive realistic answers to questions posed to a person that has been dead for years. (Business Week 08/30/99) How's that for an interesting indexing job? Of course, it's indexed "automatically"... D. Teddy Diggs DIGGS EDITORIAL SERVICES dtdiggs@aol.com phone: 501-771-1727 fax: 501-771-1731 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:08:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To All Indexers: Do not throw out your page proofs when the project is complete. Instead, recycle them either through your town/city or at Kinko's. Rob Razorsharp Communications, Inc. Robert A. Saigh, President 6482 Lloyd Avenue Saint Louis, MO 63139-3445 314.781.4731 (voice/fax) fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:14:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: susanhernandez@JUNO.COM Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling As far as recycling goes, my town doesn't do paper, so I hadn't disposed of old page proofs in any way yet. But I recently came up with a decent idea: I'm bringing my old proofs to my kids' Elementary school, where the students can use them as scrap paper. It's especially useful for the lower grades who get free time to color and draw on their own. (I don't know what their parents will think when they see the strange text on the other side!) If you have a lot of paper stacked up, I'd encourage you to try this - it will really save the schools a lot of money, and at no cost to you. - Susan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:45:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: ASI Annual Meeting -- May 10-13, 2000 Comments: To: asi-l@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Preliminary information on the ASI Annual Meeting in Albuquerque, May 10-13, 2000, is now posted on the ASI Web site at http://www.asindexing.org/mtg2000.htm Check back from time to time for further details. Karen Lane klane@klane.com co-webmaster ASI Web site co-chair ASI Web Committee webmasters@asindexing.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:49:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:14 AM 9/2/99 -0500, susanhernandez@JUNO.COM wrote: > As far as recycling goes, my town doesn't do paper, so I hadn't >disposed of old page proofs in any way yet. But I recently came up with >a decent idea: I'm bringing my old proofs to my kids' Elementary school, >where the students can use them as scrap paper. It's especially useful >for the lower grades who get free time to color and draw on their own. >(I don't know what their parents will think when they see the strange >text on the other side!) You may think you were kidding, but I'd advise folks who want to try this to be sure they don't send anything to school that could possibly be misinterpreted. Some school boards and teachers are pretty sensitive about information concerning sex, race, religion, etc., coming into the classroom. I've done some books on topics that are definitely NOT appropriate for grammar-school kids, and I can just imagine what an outraged parent might make of the drawing her daughter brought home from school...on the back of a page from my pedophilia book. Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:12:22 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sue Lightfoot Subject: Re: Remembering what I indexed In-Reply-To: <19990901133117.14ae3ed3.in@mail.louisa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I index so many books that I often can't recall just what it was I was >reading several months ago. I've always wanted to write a paragraph about >the book, or do a book report, something to remind me of all the stuff I've >read. . . . >I've started to staple together the table of contents >and a few pages from the introduction (more if I like the book) for each >project . . . Paula, wouldn't your index offer a more detailed guide to the contents?? Sue -------------------------- Sue Lightfoot - Indexer, Proofreader Polperro, Cornwall, England email: slightfoot@macace.co.uk -------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:23:47 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: ASI Annual Meeting -- May 10-13, 2000 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990902123906.00a00490@digital.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:45 PM 9/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >Preliminary information on the ASI Annual Meeting >in Albuquerque, May 10-13, 2000, is now posted >on the ASI Web site at > >http://www.asindexing.org/mtg2000.htm > >Check back from time to time for further details. Hi All: Karen, that's even earlier than the publicity for the 1999 Conference. It really helps to get the lowest airfare when we have even a tentative schedule to plan around several months ahead of time. Willa (who is dreaming about taking a week of vacation with Elderhostel in New Mexico next May after the conference is over, since this would be my first time in the southwest....) Willa MacAllen Information Organizer MacAllen's Information Services Boston ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:25:56 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: ASI Annual Meeting -- May 10-13, 2000 In-Reply-To: <199909021802.OAA24865@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 12:45 PM 9/2/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Preliminary information on the ASI Annual Meeting > >in Albuquerque, May 10-13, 2000, is now posted > >on the ASI Web site at > > > >http://www.asindexing.org/mtg2000.htm > > > >Check back from time to time for further details. > > Hi All: > > Karen, that's even earlier than the publicity for the 1999 Conference. Bless you, my child. I've been feeling two months behind schedule ever since I began organizing the conference. (Maybe because I was two months behind schedule assuming the office of VP.) It's reassuring to hear that things are doing better than I realized. Stay tuned for a page with links to things to do and see in Albuquerque. Should be up in a week or so. Dick ASI VP Conference Planner ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:43:35 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/99 9:16:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, susanhernandez@JUNO.COM writes: << I don't know what their parents will think when they see the strange text on the other side!) If you have a lot of paper stacked up, I'd encourage you to try this - it will really save the schools a lot of money, and at no cost to you >> Sonsie's right on this one. Not only do you have to be careful about that (but I know you're doing mostly very technical books, Susan), you also have to be careful that the papers you are recycling are not considered confidential and that you have breached confidentiality with the publisher. Microsoft, for example, has a confidentiality clause in the contract and stamps all pages "Confidential." When I do donate paper, I donate it to my son's old preschool. A less public atmosphere. And I ask the editors if it's OK with them if I'm concerned about confidentiality. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:00:17 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Diskettes for publishers In-Reply-To: <001501bef464$ec58c4a0$0db2accf@indiana> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Indexer's Discussion Group" I just received the results of sending Lesson 10 on a diskette to my instructor. (I also sent a hard copy for the course but wanted to run a test and she agreed.) The Word and WordPerfect rtf files came out the best but with some spacing problems. There were variables that I can eliminate such as 1) I sent Mac diskettes reformatted for a PC. Next time I'll use diskettes for PC's. 2) I did not know her versions of the programs but mine listed as options in my ClarisWorks 4.0 program were old so I assume she had newer ones. (I tried to illicit this info but it slipped between the cracks.) She was kind enough to send me printouts of all the various files I sent BUT my question is. . . (never having been involved in the publishing world) what will the publisher/editor want to DO exactly with the diskette I send in with a printed copy of the index. Will she print it out, and therefore it is important that it prints out perfectly (but why then send the hard copy)? Will she just import it into another file to be typeset so if it LOOKS OK on the screen it will BE OK? Thanks for the clarification. Naomi *****************************************************************************J. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 459 Redway Drive Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ****************************************************************************** http://www.asindexing.org <-- American Society of Indexers website. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:34:06 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@AOL.COM Subject: need help in medical terminology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, This isn't really an indexing question, but I'm working on a document for the health-care industry, and I've been asked to edit it for clarity and consistency. This is manual is so poorly written that I'm almost in tears. They consistently use terms like "disenrollment", "credentialed", "credentialing", "emergent", etc., as well as using good words incorrectly. When I asked if we could use "emergency" instead of "emergent", I got this response: > in mental health there are terms ermergent [sic], urgent etc that define levels > of emergency. Can someone who is familiar with medical terminology please advise me? My unabridged dictionary defines "emergent" as: 1. coming into view or notice; issuing 2. emerging; rising from a liquid or other surrounding medium 3. coming into existence, esp. with political independence: the emergent nations of Africa 4. arising casually or unexpectedly 5. calling for immediate action; urgent 6. Evolution. displaying emergence 7. Ecol. an aquatic plant having its stem, leaves, etc., extending above the surface of the water. I'm wondering if the use of "emergent" is widely used in the health-care industry or if these folks have just gotten into the habit of using it. Do we have to put up with poor English just because it's commonly used? I'll be interested in other opinions. Thanks. (I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here...) Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG www.communication-link.com <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:56:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Pmauer@AOL.COM >I'm working on a document for the >health-care industry, and I've been asked to edit it for clarity and >consistency. If the document is *by* the health care industry and *for* the health care industry, my opinion is that you should leave the jargon alone. Every field--including editing and indexing--has its jargon. The people in the field know what it means, and a document that doesn't "talk the talk" will be less credible. Carol Kennedy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:10:10 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/99 12:38:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Pmauer@AOL.COM writes: << I'm wondering if the use of "emergent" is widely used in the health-care industry or if these folks have just gotten into the habit of using it. >> Emergent is okay in health care. AS in emergent; urgent; routine. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:19:04 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy C. Ford" Subject: NM Meeting Comments: To: Eleanor Allen , Nan Badgett , Sandy Harnagel , Jackie Shane , Candelora Versace , francine cronshaw , Caroline Parks , Heather Jones , Victoria Agee , Nina Forrest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A to Zia Indexers, the New Mexico chapter of the American Society of Indexers, is pleased to announce our next meeting: Saturday, September 25, 1999 Hear all about the Indy Conference and learn how you can participate in the 2000 Conference. The meeting will take place at the main branch of the Santa Fe Public Library, 145 Washington Ave. (a block north of the Plaza. There is a small parking lot behind the library. ) from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. The meeting room is on the second floor. Francine Cronshaw will share tips for revising already existing indexes from the Secondary Indexing Workshop with Francis Lennie. For those who have faced this often grueling task, helpful ideas would be welcome. Francine will probably add a few tips of her own. She will also relate experiences from hosting the Hospitality Suite, the after hours gathering place to munch snacks, meet people, and chat. Nancy Ford, who attended an ASI Conference for her first time, will share what she learned about voice recognition software, visual indexing, and Bella Hass Weinberg^Òs Exhaustivity of Indexes. ASI representatives were in Albuquerque in August and met with the A to Zia board to brainstorm for the 2000 Conference. Many exciting and fun ways for all of us to help out were developed. Caroline Parks will share the information with everyone so we can all plan to participate in the 2000 Conference. There is no charge for this meeting. Please contact Nancy Ford (nancford@nmia.com, 281-7837) if you have any questions. * * * * * * * * * * -- Nancy Ford nancford@nmia.com Indexing and Editing Services ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:33:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peg, In my experience "emergent" does have a specialized meaning in the medical field: Mosby's Medical, Nursing and Allied Health Dictionary defines it as: "arising, often unexpectedly, or improving or modifying an existing thing." Not good English, I know, but a definition that fits the context. There is no special definition for "urgent" in Mosby's, though I think the usual one -- i.e., needing immediate attention -- applies. I, too, hate the ever-increasing tendency to convert nouns into verbs -- "credentialed" and "credentialling" are two particularly odorous examples, but the process is creeping into respectable use: "networking," for example. And with regards to the health care industry, we're all getting "disenrolled," though I don't think I'll ever get used to either the word or the actuality. Diane www.dianebrenner.com Pmauer@AOL.COM wrote: > Hi folks, > > This isn't really an indexing question, but I'm working on a document for the > health-care industry, and I've been asked to edit it for clarity and > consistency. This is manual is so poorly written that I'm almost in tears. > They consistently use terms like "disenrollment", "credentialed", > "credentialing", "emergent", etc., as well as using good words incorrectly. > When I asked if we could use "emergency" instead of "emergent", I got this > response: > > > in mental health there are terms ermergent [sic], urgent etc that define > levels > > of emergency. > > Can someone who is familiar with medical terminology please advise me? My > unabridged dictionary defines "emergent" as: > 1. coming into view or notice; issuing > 2. emerging; rising from a liquid or other surrounding medium > 3. coming into existence, esp. with political independence: the emergent > nations of Africa > 4. arising casually or unexpectedly > 5. calling for immediate action; urgent > 6. Evolution. displaying emergence > 7. Ecol. an aquatic plant having its stem, leaves, etc., extending above the > surface of the water. > > I'm wondering if the use of "emergent" is widely used in the health-care > industry or if these folks have just gotten into the habit of using it. Do we > have to put up with poor English just because it's commonly used? I'll be > interested in other opinions. Thanks. (I hope I'm not opening a can of worms > here...) > > Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 > Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 > www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? > www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG > www.communication-link.com <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:41:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Posada Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology Comments: To: Pmauer@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peg. If you are going to do medical indexing as a serious part of your skillset, there are several books that you might want to check out. They are all by Merck, and I'm not recommending them because I'm on contract here, but because I'm here, I've become familiar with them. I happen to have online access to them through the Merck inhouse intranet, so while I cannot share access to them, can verify that they are packed with information. I did a search for "Merck" on Amazon and you might want to do the same. I got the following hit list when I did it. If you do the same, check out the reviews of the books that they include on each of the book's pages. Good luck -------- The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy (17th ed)[includes facsimile of original 1899 edition] -- Mark H. Beers(Editor), Robert Berkow (Editor); Hardcover The Merck Manual of Medical Information : Home Edition (1st Edition) -- Robert Berkow(Preface), et al; Hardcover The Merck Index : An Encyclopedia of Chemicals, Drugs, and Biologicals (Annual) -- Susan Budavari(Editor), et al; Hardcover > > This isn't really an indexing question, but I'm > working on a document for the > health-care industry, and I've been asked to edit it > for clarity and === John Posada, Merck Research Laboratories Sr Technical Writer, WinHelp and html (work) john_posada@merck.com - 732-594-0873 (pers) jposada01@yahoo.com - 732-291-7811 "The art of creating software that is usable by individuals is a communication skill. It is not a programming skill." --Bill Atkinson, creator of MacPaint and HyperCard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:51:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Need word processor/proofreader (no indexing, sorry) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (I'm sorry if this is a duplicate post. The first one seems to be lost. I think I might have sent it to the old address) Hello, all: Excuse my non-indexing post, but I though perhaps someone would be interested in this small job. It's from Lucille Fidler, at UNC Chapel Hill (North Carolina). She needs someone to do just some word processing--entering changes from marked proofs--and eventually some proofreading... but here, let her tell you: ------------------------------------------------------- Good morning! I have another request for help. We need someone to do corrections on a revised manuscript on a short turnaround, 10 days to two weeks. Do you know anyone who does manuscript word processing, preferably in Word 8? This book started out as a revision of an existing book with about 220 typeset pages. The author marked up corrections on pages from an old book, and we were going to make the changes in proof. Then the General Assembly got busy and he had to revise the revisions. It is now at a point where we need to pull a text file off the PageMaker file and get the revisions done in manuscript form. The only freelance word processing people I know are booked. (It has already been edited, but will need proofreading eventually.) --------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE do not respond to me or to INDEX-L. Please respond directly to Lucille Fidler: mailto:Fidler@iogmail.iog.unc.edu Regards, Ann Norcross ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:50:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: emillen@MCP.COM Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology Comments: To: Pmauer@AOL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a medical professional, but my brother is a trained EMT and so I've heard some of the lingo. From what I understand, "emergent" is a term the triage nurses use to help organize emergency room admissions. The pecking order is 1. emergent (needs immediate attention -- heart attack, etc.) 2. urgent (serious but stable) 3. non-urgent/routine 4. expectant (DOA or too many injuries to survive) But again, that's really just hearsay on my part. Hopefully some of the medical indexers on the list will have solid info. Erika Millen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:59:01 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many times on this list the question has come up as to whether subject area expertise is needed to index (or edit, for that matter) in a field. My answer has always been that it is necessary at least to be aware of and familiar with the vocabulary, the jargon, used in the field. Peg's terminology question points up the issues that can arise when working in a field one is unfamiliar with. Of course, having a venue such as Index-L which allows one to ask a variety of people for help makes the process more foolproof. :-) To me, that's where the line in the sand is drawn. If one is unfamiliar, then the perils are what Peg is going through. I'm not saying you can't do a good job. It's just that it makes the job tougher, if nothing else. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:27:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: ASI Annual Meeting -- May 10-13, 2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All: >Bless you, my child. I've been feeling two months behind schedule ever >since I began organizing the conference. (Maybe because I was two months >behind schedule assuming the office of VP.) >It's reassuring to hear that things are doing better than I realized. > >Stay tuned for a page with links to things to do and see in Albuquerque. >Should be up in a week or so. Dick, if you came on board two months after the fact, and you still can get info up on the conference on the web site this early in the planning process, you are still making good progress in planning the conference. Willa (looking forward to the weekly Thursday nite contra dance.....) Willa MacAllen Information Organizer MacAllen's Information Services Boston ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:06:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology In-Reply-To: <38733590.25002b2e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Peg, "Emergent" is a commonly used term to indicate that a situation is emerging as an acute situation or crisis. It's not poor English nor poor usage, and would be immediately understandable to any mental health or emergency room staff person. Webster's New Dict defines it as 1. emerging, 2. arising unespectedly or as a new or improved development, 3. recently founded or newly independent. All those other terms you listed are also standard usage in the medical/psych industry and though they might make people not "in the business" cringe (and even some of us who are!), as Stewart Smolley would say, "They're OK" (which might be an obscure reference to some people who have never seen Saturday Night Live). Rachel (mental health professional, crisis clinician, frequently to be found attending to emergent situations in local emergency rooms) >I'm wondering if the use of "emergent" is widely used in the health-care >industry or if these folks have just gotten into the habit of using it. Do we >have to put up with poor English just because it's commonly used? I'll be >interested in other opinions. Thanks. (I hope I'm not opening a can of worms >here...) > >Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 >Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 >www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? >www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG >www.communication-link.com <-- See my award-winning web site! Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:37:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Abused words MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEF569.D68BA600" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEF569.D68BA600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diane wrote: I, too, hate the ever-increasing tendency to convert nouns into verbs -- "credentialed" and "credentialling" are two particularly odorous = examples, but the process is creeping into respectable use: "networking," for example. = And with regards to the health care industry, we're all getting "disenrolled," = though I don't think I'll ever get used to either the word or the actuality. And then there is always that wonderful "dialogue!" = "Let's dialogue about this issue." =20 I do remember "emergent" used when I was working in hospital. 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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEF569.D68BA600-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:28:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Scanner In-Reply-To: <199909021847.OAA17398@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently gave in to a long-standing desire for a scanner and bought a Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200C (about $300). I also bought OmniPage Pro OCR software, another $100. When I scan an index in which I have used Cindex temporary pagination (something like 03%69 for chapter 3, page 69) the OCR does not recognize the percent sign. It would be one thing if it simply failed to recognize all the percent signs and let me globally correct them in the scanned document, but it treats the entire locator string as unrecognized. Thus if I have 2,000 locators in the scanned document I would have to make 2,000 manual changes. Now, I have no compelling need to scan such an index at the moment, but I am disappointed that I bought a fairly high-end hardware/software package and it falls flat on its face on such a (to my mind) simple task. Anyone else have experience with scanners? Suggestions? My understanding is that OmniPage Pro is about the best OCR on the market. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:47:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: need help in medical terminology Comments: To: dbrenner@JAVANET.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Diane Brenner >I, too, hate the ever-increasing tendency to convert nouns into verbs -- >"credentialed" and "credentialling" are two particularly odorous examples, but >the process is creeping into respectable use: "networking," for example. I don't think the tendency is "ever-increasing." Nouns have been turned into verbs, and vice versa, for as long as English has been around. For example, according to the OED Supplement, "network" has been used as a verb for over 100 years, and "credentialed" has also been used for over 100 years. Carol Kennedy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:41:15 -0700 Reply-To: Bonny.McLaughlin@cgu.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: ASI So-Cal Oct 2 Meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Learn about Indexing of Art and Tour the Huntington! The Huntington, San Marino, California Saturday, October 2, 1999 10:00 to 3:00 Our speakers will be Linda Zoeckler, Head of the Huntington's Art Reference Library, and Brooke Henderson, Reference Specialist at the Getty Research Institute. They will describe for us the many uses to which they put indexes to works of art, explain the difficulties they experience in using such indexes, and suggest how to improve them. Our day will begin with a two-hour tour of the Huntington Library, conducted by Linda Zoeckler. At noon, we'll have lunch (included in the price) and then we'll have our presentation on art indexes. The conclusion of the day will be a tour of the Art Reference Library, which will conclude in time for you to browse the Museum Book and Gift Shop or a portion of the Huntington Gardens. To register, send your check (payable to ASI-SoCal) for $XX, plus the Registration Form that follows, to the address below by September 25th. Sorry, but no registrations can be accepted after September 25th, nor can you register at the door. We know this may seem a bit arbitrary to some, but because we must arrange for facilities and lunches, we must have a firm count a week in advance. ****************************************************************************** HUNTINGTON LIBRARY TOUR AND PRESENTATION ON ART INDEXES Please register me for the October 2nd ASI-SoCal meeting at the Huntington Library. Enclosed is my check for $XX. Name___________________________________ Address___________________________________ ___________________________________ Phone___________________________________ E-Mail Address___________________________ My box lunch preference (includes side salad of the day, seasonal fresh fruit cup, pickle spear, two cookies, iced tea or soda): ______Ham on rye with lettuce and tomato ______Chicken salad on sourdough with lettuce and tomato ______Jack cheese on wheat with lettuce, tomato, avocado and sprouts Send to: Anne Leach 78240 Bonanza Drive Palm Desert, CA 92211-1208 ***************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:08:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chris Rich Subject: Re: Need word processor/proofreader (no indexing, sorry) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think you don't want this job. I don;t even know what Word 8 is, and as seriously as you take these jobs, I think it wouldn't be satisfying or remunerative. ---------- >From: Ann Norcross >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >Subject: Need word processor/proofreader (no indexing, sorry) >Date: Thu, Sep 2, 1999, 4:51 PM > > (I'm sorry if this is a duplicate post. The first one seems > to be lost. I think I might have sent it to the old > address) > > Hello, all: > > Excuse my non-indexing post, but I though perhaps someone > would be interested in this small job. It's from Lucille > Fidler, at UNC Chapel Hill (North Carolina). She needs > someone to do just some word processing--entering changes > from marked proofs--and eventually some proofreading... but > here, let her tell you: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Good morning! I have another request for help. > > We need someone to do corrections on a revised manuscript on > a short > turnaround, 10 days to two weeks. Do you know anyone who > does manuscript > word processing, preferably in Word 8? This book started out > as a revision > of an existing book with about 220 typeset pages. The author > marked up > corrections on pages from an old book, and we were going to > make the changes > in proof. Then the General Assembly got busy and he had to > revise the > revisions. It is now at a point where we need to pull a text > file off the > PageMaker file and get the revisions done in manuscript > form. The only > freelance word processing people I know are booked. (It > has already been edited, but will need proofreading > eventually.) > --------------------------------------------------------- > > PLEASE do not respond to me or to INDEX-L. > Please respond directly to Lucille Fidler: > mailto:Fidler@iogmail.iog.unc.edu > > Regards, > Ann Norcross > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:27:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chris Rich Subject: Re: Need word processor/proofreader (no indexing, sorry) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit And I'm saying, "Don't do it." It's a clerical job from which you wouldn't learn much except Word 8..a typing job, in an alien WP program. that you're too busy to do right now. I could be wrong, but... ---------- >From: Ann Norcross >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >Subject: Need word processor/proofreader (no indexing, sorry) >Date: Thu, Sep 2, 1999, 4:51 PM > > (I'm sorry if this is a duplicate post. The first one seems > to be lost. I think I might have sent it to the old > address) > > Hello, all: > > Excuse my non-indexing post, but I though perhaps someone > would be interested in this small job. It's from Lucille > Fidler, at UNC Chapel Hill (North Carolina). She needs > someone to do just some word processing--entering changes > from marked proofs--and eventually some proofreading... but > here, let her tell you: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Good morning! I have another request for help. > > We need someone to do corrections on a revised manuscript on > a short > turnaround, 10 days to two weeks. Do you know anyone who > does manuscript > word processing, preferably in Word 8? This book started out > as a revision > of an existing book with about 220 typeset pages. The author > marked up > corrections on pages from an old book, and we were going to > make the changes > in proof. Then the General Assembly got busy and he had to > revise the > revisions. It is now at a point where we need to pull a text > file off the > PageMaker file and get the revisions done in manuscript > form. The only > freelance word processing people I know are booked. (It > has already been edited, but will need proofreading > eventually.) > --------------------------------------------------------- > > PLEASE do not respond to me or to INDEX-L. > Please respond directly to Lucille Fidler: > mailto:Fidler@iogmail.iog.unc.edu > > Regards, > Ann Norcross > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:22 -0400 Reply-To: riomaro@riofrancos.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Maro Riofrancos Subject: Re: Scanner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you tried training Omnipage to recognize characters it has a problem with? It's worth doing, even though it can be a tedious procedure. If the document is low contrast or poor quality, try the 3D mode. Have you tried fiddling with the settings? It often happens that increasing the darkness setting increases the accuracy considerably, sometimes dramatically. Actually, I have a feeling that the previous version of Omnipage (8) did better with accents and non-alphanumeric characters. One thing that baffles me about OCR programs is why can't they assume that normally a document will not have letters, numbers and/or non-alphanumeric characters combined in the same "word". I hate to tell you, but for $79.95 more (at Buy.com) you could have gotten the 6250 model, which has a very reliable 25-page ADF (automatic document feeder), a real time saver if you are scanning multi-page documents. For scanning whole books, it's better having a scanner with a 50-page ADF, like a Microtek. Interestingly, when buying an ADF separately, it often costs more than the scanner itself. Maro -----Original Message----- From: Indexer's Discussion Group [mailto:INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Evans Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:29 PM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Scanner I recently gave in to a long-standing desire for a scanner and bought a Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200C (about $300). I also bought OmniPage Pro OCR software, another $100. When I scan an index in which I have used Cindex temporary pagination (something like 03%69 for chapter 3, page 69) the OCR does not recognize the percent sign. It would be one thing if it simply failed to recognize all the percent signs and let me globally correct them in the scanned document, but it treats the entire locator string as unrecognized. Thus if I have 2,000 locators in the scanned document I would have to make 2,000 manual changes. Now, I have no compelling need to scan such an index at the moment, but I am disappointed that I bought a fairly high-end hardware/software package and it falls flat on its face on such a (to my mind) simple task. Anyone else have experience with scanners? Suggestions? My understanding is that OmniPage Pro is about the best OCR on the market. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:48:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Blee811@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Word 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/99 8:22:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, felinitas@EARTHLINK.NET writes: << I think you don't want this job. I don;t even know what Word 8 is, and as seriously as you take these jobs, I think it wouldn't be satisfying or remunerative. >> When I was editing a textbook about Word97 just as the software was being released, the author, publisher and I all believed it would be called Word 8.0, because the current version was Word 7.0. Microsoft dropped the version number from the title, however, and called it Word97 instead. (Many last minutes chnages in the textbook!). So that may be what the job offer is referring to. Bill Lee Cincinnati, OH ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:56:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: paper pile-up and recycling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have always been a strong advocate of recycling as much of the stuff we consume as possible. However, I see a problem with what Susan Hernandez is suggesting. If the page proofs she is donating to her kids' school are really old, whatever she does with them is okay. But, it they are not so old, specifically, if the book has not actually been printed and distributed, there is a real problem involving confidentiality. Publishers do not usually ask us to sign confidentiality agreements. Non-publishing clients frequently do, especially computer companies. Even if it never comes up in discussion, page proofs are to be regarded as confidential material. Once the book is out in the bookstores or the computer manual is in the users' hands, this issue is moot. Until then, be discreet about what you do with your page proofs. By the way, even after I discard my copies of the page proofs (yes, I recycle them), I keep my computer files for the index. I hold on to them for at least six months on floppies unless there is a possibility of the book or manual being revised later, in which case I hold on to the files for at least five years. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:14:44 -0500 susanhernandez@JUNO.COM writes: > As far as recycling goes, my town doesn't do paper, so I hadn't > disposed of old page proofs in any way yet. But I recently came up > with a decent idea: I'm bringing my old proofs to my kids' > Elementary school, where the students can use them as scrap paper. > It's especially useful for the lower grades who get free time to > color and draw on their own. (I don't know what their parents will > think when they see the strange text on the other side!) > If you have a lot of paper stacked up, I'd encourage you to try > this - it will really save the schools a lot of money, and at no cost to you. > - Susan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:33:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: Scanner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to prove that money doesn't always equal the best - I printed your e-mail and scanned it with my cheap little Mustek 1200 CU ($99 and the OCR software, TextBridge, was free with the scanner). It recognized everything flawlessly include varying fonts and the percent sign. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Evans To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Scanner > I recently gave in to a long-standing desire for a scanner and bought a > Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200C (about $300). I also bought OmniPage Pro OCR > software, another $100. > > When I scan an index in which I have used Cindex temporary pagination > (something like 03%69 for chapter 3, page 69) the OCR does not recognize the > percent sign. It would be one thing if it simply failed to recognize all > the percent signs and let me globally correct them in the scanned document, > but it treats the entire locator string as unrecognized. Thus if I have > 2,000 locators in the scanned document I would have to make 2,000 manual > changes. > > Now, I have no compelling need to scan such an index at the moment, but I am > disappointed that I bought a fairly high-end hardware/software package and > it falls flat on its face on such a (to my mind) simple task. > > Anyone else have experience with scanners? Suggestions? My understanding is > that OmniPage Pro is about the best OCR on the market. > > Dick >