From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Sun Oct 18 11:14:34 1998 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:39:45 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9809C" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:40:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Fees for combined indexing and proofreading In-Reply-To: <199809141406.KAA15656@mail1.bellsouth.net> When I land an assignment to do both copyediting and indexing, I usually give them a break on the price, because I don't have to re-read the book and it goes somewhat faster. (Wish I could get more of those kinds of assignments!) Proofreading is another matter, though: It's going to take just as long to read the proof whether you've already editing the ms. or not.... Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Ann Norcross |Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 8:43 AM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Fees for combined indexing and proofreading | | |Hello, all. | |A client is asking for a quote for combined indexing and |proofreading. I know we've discussed this sort of combined work |before, but I'm wondering... do you do this? How do you set your |fee for such combined work? If you have a per page rate for |indexing, and another for proofreading, would you combine them |and quote that price? And what is a common per page rate for |proofreading, anyway? I had another client offer $2.00/page for |proofreading... is that a reasonable rate for low- to |medium-difficulty computer books? | |Thanks for any help and suggestions. |-- |Ann Norcross |Crossover Information Services |(919) 852-0042 |mailto:norcross@ipass.net | ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:18:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Brian Peck (Research/Library)" Subject: Locators/ Page References Question Dear Sir/Madam; I am currently reviewing both Skyindex and Cindex for possible purchase. In testing out the software I have come across the following dilemma. I work with legislation, which presents a peculiar page reference situation. Each piece of legislation (or Session Laws as we call them) is assigned a Chapter number, and it is this number that is referenced in the index rather than a page number. The problem arises with large bills, such as our budget, which is subdivided into sections and subsections. So what you might have is a reference to chapter 203 sections 21 through 22.4. Or using our index format 203(21)-(22.4). The following were my test references: Education technical assistance 324(17.7) Education technical assistance 507(17.8) Education technical corrections 509(59)-(62) Education technical corrections 509(64)-(66) Education technical corrections 509(97) Education technical corrections 542(1.2)-(2) Education technical corrections 542(3)-(6.4) And this was the best I could get from Skyindex: Education technical assistance, 324(17.7); 507(17.8) technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), 509(64)-(66), 509(97); 542(1.2)-(3), And this is what Cindex gives me: Education Technical assistance, 324(17.7), 507(17.8) Technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), (64)-(66), (97), 542(1.2)-(2.1), (3.1)-(6) What I needed is: Education technical assistance, 324(17.7); 507(17.8) technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), (64)-(66), (97); 542(1.2)-(3) As you can see Skyindex doesn't want to concatinate the numerous chapter 509 references and Cindex doesn't separate the chapter sections with semi-colons. This is a pretty large stumbling block for me. This index is usually 180 pages long, and a nightmare to edit. If I have to re-edit all these references after I've compiled the index I'm not in much better shape than before. Any help would be duly appreciated. BRIAN M. PECK Technical Librarian/Indexer North Carolina General Assembly 300 N. Salisbury Street Raleigh, NC 27603-5925 Phone: 919-733-9390 Fax: 919-715-5460 email: brianp@ms.ncga.state.nc.us ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:29:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Fees for combined indexing and proofreading To ASIers: I never combine proofreading and indexing jobs or fees. The two are different disciplines, and both require different trains of thought. My clients do know, however, that if I find something egregious, I will let them know about it. rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:58:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Absquatulate I think every indexer should be aware of this word and encourage its use in indexable books ;-} See below. Also good dictionary site for the web. Cheers. Rivka "...During questioning, Zaban admitted that he helped a Hamas commander in Samaria to absquatulate from prison in Shechem...." At 07:11 PM 9/14/98 +0200, you wrote: What on earth is "absquatulate"? It is in today's news about a foiled Hamas bombing. It's not in any dictionary I have. Rivka >Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913] >absquatulate \Ab*squat"u*late\, v. i. > To take one's self off; to decamp. [A jocular word. U. S.] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >Source: WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn] >absquatulate > v : run away; usually includes taking something or somebody > along [syn: abscond, bolt, decamp, run off, {go > off}] >see: www.dictionary.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:18:22 -0700 Reply-To: jeanmidd@prodigy.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: jeanmidd Organization: Prodigy Internet Subject: Re: Absquatulate I have always been fascinated by words. My American Heritage Dictionary gives the following: ab=B7squat=B7u=B7late (=B2b-skw=BCch=93=85-l=B3t=94) intr.v. ab=B7squat=B7= u=B7lat=B7ed, ab=B7squat=B7u=B7lat=B7ing, ab=B7squat=B7u=B7lates. Midland U.S. 1.a. To = depart in a hurry; abscond: =93Your horse has absquatulated!=94 (Robert M. Bird). b. = To die. 2. To argue. [Mock-Latinate formation, purporting to mean =93to go off and squat elsewhere=94.] =97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97 = REGIONAL NOTE: The vibrant energy of American English sometimes appears in the use of Latin affixes to create jocular pseudo-Latin =93learned=94 words. There is a precedent for this in the language of Shakespeare, whose plays contain scores of made-up Latinate words. Midland absquatulate has a prefix ab-, =93away from,=94 and a suffix -ate, =93to = act upon in a specified manner,=94 affixed to a nonexistent base form -squatul-, probably suggested by squat. Hence the whimsical absquatulate, =93to squat away from.=94 Another such coinage is Northern busticate, which joins bust with -icate by analogy with verbs like medicate. Southern argufy joins argue to a redundant -fy, =93to make; cause to become.=94 These creations are largely confined to regions of th= e United States where change is slow, and where the 19th-century love for Latinate words and expressions is still manifest. For example, Appalachian speech is characterized by the frequent use of recollect, aggravate, oblige, and other such words. Jean Middleton Riverside, CA jeanmidd@prodigy.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:57:11 -0400 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Locators/ Page References Question In-Reply-To: <199809151428.KAA29303@mx02.erols.com> Brian, Your desired goal is easy to achieve in SKY Index (and I suspect in Cindex too). For SKY Index, set up the Locators tab of your Index Options dialog to have a Input Volume Separator of a colon (the default) and a Output Volume Separator of "nothing" and change the default Input Chapter Separator which is a period to something you are not likely to enter like a tilde (~). Then change the New Volume Separator to a semicolon and check the Volumes check box of the Merge Options group. Finally be certain to enter a colon during data entry as a volume separator (it won't print in the generated index). I tried this prior to sending this email and it worked properly in your example. Please do not be shy about contacting me personally in the future if you have trouble configuring SKY Index. That is what I am here for. My phone number and email address are below. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 410-374-3484 fax: 410-374-3484 .I am currently reviewing both Skyindex and Cindex for possible purchase. .In testing out the software I have come across the following dilemma. . .I work with legislation, which presents a peculiar page reference .situation. Each piece of legislation (or Session Laws as we call them) .is assigned a Chapter number, and it is this number that is referenced .in the index rather than a page number. The problem arises with large .bills, such as our budget, which is subdivided into sections and .subsections. So what you might have is a reference to chapter 203 .sections 21 through 22.4. Or using our index format 203(21)-(22.4). . .The following were my test references: . .Education technical assistance 324(17.7) .Education technical assistance 507(17.8) .Education technical corrections 509(59)-(62) .Education technical corrections 509(64)-(66) .Education technical corrections 509(97) .Education technical corrections 542(1.2)-(2) .Education technical corrections 542(3)-(6.4) . .And this was the best I could get from Skyindex: . .Education .technical assistance, 324(17.7); 507(17.8) .technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), 509(64)-(66), 509(97); .542(1.2)-(3), . .And this is what Cindex gives me: . .Education .Technical assistance, 324(17.7), 507(17.8) .Technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), (64)-(66), (97), 542(1.2)-(2.1), .(3.1)-(6) . .What I needed is: . .Education .technical assistance, 324(17.7); 507(17.8) .technical corrections, 509(59)-(62), (64)-(66), (97); 542(1.2)-(3) . .As you can see Skyindex doesn't want to concatinate the numerous chapter .509 references and Cindex doesn't separate the chapter sections with .semi-colons. . .This is a pretty large stumbling block for me. This index is usually 180 .pages long, and a nightmare to edit. If I have to re-edit all these .references after I've compiled the index I'm not in much better shape .than before. . .Any help would be duly appreciated. . .BRIAN M. PECK .Technical Librarian/Indexer .North Carolina General Assembly .300 N. Salisbury Street .Raleigh, NC 27603-5925 .Phone: 919-733-9390 Fax: 919-715-5460 .email: brianp@ms.ncga.state.nc.us . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:58:20 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: Pretty neat reference book for sale Hi, All - Well, this really isn't a commercial posting, but it is evidence that I probably need a Nanny. Several months ago I was in my absolutely favorite junk store, Ocean State Job Lot, rummaging around in their serendipitous assortment of remaindered stuff and odd-lot items, indulging my packrat proclivities, when I ran across a pile of brand-new hardcover copies of "Merriam Webster's Guide to International Communications" by Toby C. Atkinson. This is the 1994 edition (there is a newer, larger one) and it blew me away. It has nothing to do with computers (Hooray!!), the Internet (double Hooray!!) or Bill Clinton (Quadruple Hooray!!). What it does do, for about 36 countries from Australia to Venezuela, is explain everything you might want to know about how to communicate with persons and organizations in these countries. It is absolutely one of the most interesting references I have run across. For example, if you ever wondered how to decipher a Japanese address such as: . Mr. Taro Tanaka . Kokusai Shuppen K.K. . 10-23 5-Chome, Minamiazabu . Minato-ku . TOKYO 106 this book parses the address and explains the meaning of each term. Or if you wanted to know the date, money, typographical conventions, postcodes and phone system in Sweden, or street-name and proper-name conventions in Mexico, this little 327-page book has them. Plus a 19-page keyword/symbol index AND a subject index! Wow! As they say in the Ginzu knife ads, "But Wait! There's More!". There also are reference sections for getting phone calls and faxes through, on how to make your English more understandable, and on how to print European characters. Anyway, they had around 23 copies of this little guy for $2.99 apiece, and I flipped out and bought them all. Figured they were too much fun to pass up, and there had to be a bunch of people who really would enjoy and use them. The original $2.99 price stickers still are on the front covers. So here's the deal: If anybody in the U.S. wants one, would you please let me know offlist, and I will send you one Priority Mail. When you get it, send me three bucks for the flat-rate Priority Mail postage plus three bucks for the book (the one-penny round-up is easier, and forget the sales tax I paid). You don't have to send money in advance. I'll trust that you won't stiff me for $6.00, and I this way I don't have to put my home address all over the Internet. If you want two I have to send them separately because I can't stuff two copies in one Flat-Rate envelope (they just won't fit). Fust come fust served... It's a lot of trouble, and I will lose a few cents (tax) on each transaction, but that's no big deal and they really are fun to read... So, I don't believe that this really is a commercial posting. I lugged a copy to Seattle, thinking that I would show it to my friends and colleagues, and collect some names (and, of course, the $6.) But I never got around to taking it out of my suitcase. Right know I am looking at a pile of these guys (kind of pretty sky-blue cover with gold lettering) thinking that there might be a downside to irrational acts of kindness... Best wishes, Bob Richardson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:22:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam Fellow Index-L'ers, Has anyone else noted an increase in spam in the last 4 weeks or so? Has anyone else gotten spammed and noticed other addressees were Index-L'ers? Earlier this week I received yet another piece of spam, addressed to me and three others that I recognized as members of my Index-L community. I posted to them, thinking that the link among us was that d--- Indexer's Referral Network from Dennis Lastique. [I hereby publicly admit to helping the fisherman set the hook on this one, as I did go to his site and fill out a profile. Then I read the information gathered by the mavens in this community and just sat back, waiting for the spam storm. I consoled myself by deciding to perform public service spam reports to every abuse domain I could think of in response.] Anyway, with this latest posting, I posted to the three other Index-L'ers, thinking that misery loves company and maybe there was a way of stopping the sale of our names to spammers. It appears they never went to the Referral Network site and/or never filed out a profile. Some were smarter than I was and didn't even bother reading the message I was writing about. The only thing we did have in common is Index-L. Following along on this connection, I realized once you subscribe to Index-L you can ask the listserver to send you a complete listing of all potential spamees, um, subscribers. One of my fellow spamees noticed an increase of spam on one of her accounts beginning in the middle of August, which is when Lastique joined our merry band. The posting I received was only addressed to 4 of us, and my correspondent tracked down Lastique's Web site host, which prohibits mass mailings to more than 25 members of a listserv. So, if anyone else is noticing an increase in spam, please respond to the list. If you have your filters set to weed out unwanted mail, or if you have multiple accounts set up to protect yourself please check the junk and see if there is an Index-L link. If there is, then we can go to Lastique's host, and maybe enlist Charlotte's help in stopping the use of this listserve's membership list as a source of spamees. Thanks Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:27:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DTDIGGS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale Bob: If you've got any of those 22 "pretty neat" reference books left, please do put me on your mailing list, and I'll be more than happy to send you $6. I, for one, truly appreciate your irrational act of kindness . . . D. Teddy Diggs DIGGS EDITORIAL SERVICES 5201 Fairway Avenue #12 North Little Rock, AR 72116 dtdiggs@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:53:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vanessa Andrews Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale You hooked me. Are you in advertising? Anyway, me address is: Vanessa Andrews 10339 Hwy KP Mazomanie, WI 53560 Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:58:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale To Everyone: Now that we're in the mode of mentioning books we've worked on, I just finished a dictionary of international data communications terms which is being published by Glenlake Publishing Company in Chicago (among other places). If you need such a tome, call Pat at 773-262-9436, and tell her I sent you. Normally, I would never send such an e-mail, and I hope I haven't crossed any e-mail protocol boundaries. But, since the other compadre mentioned his book, I thought I'd mention mine. It occurs to me that we should promote ourselves, not only as indexers but as writers (if we are one). Has anyone else written and been published (or published)? rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:57:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale In-Reply-To: <199809151600.MAA18561@ddi.digital.net> Rob, Oh you're such a good guy! PLEASE may I have one, and I'll send you the check right away (or send me your address by e-mail and I'll send the check first). Thanks! Karen Lane 220 Utopia Circle Merritt Island, FL 32952 klane@digital.net By the way, I enjoyed your various contributions in Seattle. Karen At 11:58 AM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, All - > >Well, this really isn't a commercial posting, but it is evidence that I >probably need a Nanny. > >Several months ago I was in my absolutely favorite junk store, Ocean State Job >Lot, rummaging around in their serendipitous assortment of remaindered stuff >and odd-lot items, indulging my packrat proclivities, when I ran across a pile >of brand-new hardcover copies of "Merriam Webster's Guide to International >Communications" by Toby C. Atkinson. > >This is the 1994 edition (there is a newer, larger one) and it blew me away. >It has nothing to do with computers (Hooray!!), the Internet (double Hooray!!) >or Bill Clinton (Quadruple Hooray!!). What it does do, for about 36 countries >from Australia to Venezuela, is explain everything you might want to know >about how to communicate with persons and organizations in these countries. It >is absolutely one of the most interesting references I have run across. > >For example, if you ever wondered how to decipher a Japanese address such as: > >. Mr. Taro Tanaka >. Kokusai Shuppen K.K. >. 10-23 5-Chome, Minamiazabu >. Minato-ku >. TOKYO 106 > >this book parses the address and explains the meaning of each term. > >Or if you wanted to know the date, money, typographical conventions, postcodes >and phone system in Sweden, or street-name and proper-name conventions in >Mexico, this little 327-page book has them. Plus a 19-page keyword/symbol >index AND a subject index! Wow! > >As they say in the Ginzu knife ads, "But Wait! There's More!". There also >are reference sections for getting phone calls and faxes through, on how to >make your English more understandable, and on how to print European >characters. > >Anyway, they had around 23 copies of this little guy for $2.99 apiece, and I >flipped out and bought them all. Figured they were too much fun to pass up, >and there had to be a bunch of people who really would enjoy and use them. >The original $2.99 price stickers still are on the front covers. > >So here's the deal: If anybody in the U.S. wants one, would you please let me >know offlist, and I will send you one Priority Mail. When you get it, send me >three bucks for the flat-rate Priority Mail postage plus three bucks for the >book (the one-penny round-up is easier, and forget the sales tax I paid). You >don't have to send money in advance. I'll trust that you won't stiff me for >$6.00, and I this way I don't have to put my home address all over the >Internet. If you want two I have to send them separately because I can't stuff >two copies in one Flat-Rate envelope (they just won't fit). Fust come fust >served... It's a lot of trouble, and I will lose a few cents (tax) on each >transaction, but that's no big deal and they really are fun to read... > >So, I don't believe that this really is a commercial posting. I lugged a copy >to Seattle, thinking that I would show it to my friends and colleagues, and >collect some names (and, of course, the $6.) But I never got around to taking >it out of my suitcase. Right know I am looking at a pile of these guys (kind >of pretty sky-blue cover with gold lettering) thinking that there might be a >downside to irrational acts of kindness... > >Best wishes, > >Bob Richardson > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:58:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: Pretty neat reference book for sale Gadzooks! Did I just send my note meant for Rob to all of you? Sorry!!!!! Contritely, Karen Lane klane@digital.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:11:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Ref book This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDE0AA.4E45C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would also be interested in the international ref book mentioned. No, I wouldn't consider this non-profit offer to be advertising either. My address: Kevin A. Broccoli 181 Sundown Rd. Grahamsville, NY 12740 Was it mentioned how we send the money? $6.00 once it comes in or = before? ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDE0AA.4E45C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would also be interested in the = international=20 ref book mentioned.
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Kevin A. Broccoli
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDE0AA.4E45C7A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:03:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale In-Reply-To: <199809151700.NAA07164@library.lib.binghamton.edu> Reminder: Please respond directly to Rob, NOT to the list. Thank you. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:19:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Skuster To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale >Reminder: > >Please respond directly to Rob, NOT to the list. > >Thank you. > >Charlotte Could Rob please repost his address then, as I inadvertantly deleted it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:21:07 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam Yes, I sure have noticed an increase in spam and I stop it dead as fast as I can. I turn on ALL headers in the offending message. I NEVEr reply to the sender. I look for the origins of the message, and send the following message to both "postmaster@" and "abuse@" Feel free to use it yourself, as I got it from a spam-stopper years ago. Seems to work! This is SPAM, Junk mail. It is also illegal. Stop it. Our private e-mail facilities are not your advertising medium. People who use them as such abuse our resources and waste our time, which we feel are pretty valuable. We have entered your e-mail address and company name in our corporate blacklist database which is read by thousands. We will not do business with you now, nor will we consider other requests from you in the future. Please remove this e-mail address from your junk mail list immediately and do not contact us again in the future. S. Greenhouse wrote: > Fellow Index-L'ers, > > Has anyone else noted an increase in spam in the last 4 > weeks or so? Has anyone else gotten spammed and noticed > other addressees were Index-L'ers? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:35:07 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam I get about 3 spam messages a week. The number has neither increased nor decreased since joining index-L a year ago nor since I signed with Dennis. I post messages on knitting message boards from time to time. I suspect that is the source. AOL has an anti-spam system where you forward the message to tosspam@aol.com. I always do that with satisfaction. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:39:52 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale To Everyone: Wow! I had not expected such an immediate response. For those of you who are interested in my International Dictionary of Data Communications, contact my publishing company directly. The address/phone is: Glenlake Publishing Company Attn.: Pat 1262 West Glenlake Chicago, IL 60660 773.262.9765 (-9436 fax) For Karen and Kevin, I will pass your name on to Pat today. rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:57 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: WHOA! I'm Cleaned out! Hi, all - Wow! Talk about beating a path, etc.!! Within 20 minutes I was cleaned out!. I'll send the books ASAP, and will let people who were too late know, so they won't be waiting around checking the mail... Thanks for your (really) overwhelming response. Wish I had more, but that was all they had in three stores! The current, larger, edition is available from AMAZON.COM for around $18.00 or so (don't remember exactly). Thanks, again! Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:03:59 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TBrtrm@AOL.COM Subject: Non-disclosure agreement Thanks to all who kindly responded to my query re: non-disclosure agreements. Your comments were very helpful. My main concern consisted of statements included in the document such as: ...the information...is subject to change by (Client) without notice. ...(Client) has no obligation to advise (indexer) of any changes or revisions to the information. ...(Client) accepts no responsibility for any expenses, losses ...as a result of the receipt of this information... However, this is now a mute question since the prospective client has put the project on hold. I would still be interested in any further comments, etc. Thelda Bertram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:36:12 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Knoeller Subject: Oops-sorry for the mass post! (reference book for sale) At 11:58 AM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, All - > >Well, this really isn't a commercial posting, but it is evidence that I >probably need a Nanny. > >Several months ago I was in my absolutely favorite junk store, Ocean State Job >Lot, rummaging around in their serendipitous assortment of remaindered stuff >and odd-lot items, indulging my packrat proclivities, when I ran across a pile >of brand-new hardcover copies of "Merriam Webster's Guide to International >Communications" by Toby C. Atkinson. > >This is the 1994 edition (there is a newer, larger one) and it blew me away. >It has nothing to do with computers (Hooray!!), the Internet (double Hooray!!) >or Bill Clinton (Quadruple Hooray!!). What it does do, for about 36 countries >from Australia to Venezuela, is explain everything you might want to know >about how to communicate with persons and organizations in these countries. It >is absolutely one of the most interesting references I have run across. > >For example, if you ever wondered how to decipher a Japanese address such as: > >. Mr. Taro Tanaka >. Kokusai Shuppen K.K. >. 10-23 5-Chome, Minamiazabu >. Minato-ku >. TOKYO 106 > >this book parses the address and explains the meaning of each term. > >Or if you wanted to know the date, money, typographical conventions, postcodes >and phone system in Sweden, or street-name and proper-name conventions in >Mexico, this little 327-page book has them. Plus a 19-page keyword/symbol >index AND a subject index! Wow! > >As they say in the Ginzu knife ads, "But Wait! There's More!". There also >are reference sections for getting phone calls and faxes through, on how to >make your English more understandable, and on how to print European >characters. > >Anyway, they had around 23 copies of this little guy for $2.99 apiece, and I >flipped out and bought them all. Figured they were too much fun to pass up, >and there had to be a bunch of people who really would enjoy and use them. >The original $2.99 price stickers still are on the front covers. > >So here's the deal: If anybody in the U.S. wants one, would you please let me >know offlist, and I will send you one Priority Mail. When you get it, send me >three bucks for the flat-rate Priority Mail postage plus three bucks for the >book (the one-penny round-up is easier, and forget the sales tax I paid). You >don't have to send money in advance. I'll trust that you won't stiff me for >$6.00, and I this way I don't have to put my home address all over the >Internet. If you want two I have to send them separately because I can't stuff >two copies in one Flat-Rate envelope (they just won't fit). Fust come fust >served... It's a lot of trouble, and I will lose a few cents (tax) on each >transaction, but that's no big deal and they really are fun to read... > >So, I don't believe that this really is a commercial posting. I lugged a copy >to Seattle, thinking that I would show it to my friends and colleagues, and >collect some names (and, of course, the $6.) But I never got around to taking >it out of my suitcase. Right know I am looking at a pile of these guys (kind >of pretty sky-blue cover with gold lettering) thinking that there might be a >downside to irrational acts of kindness... > >Best wishes, > >Bob Richardson > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:35:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Knoeller Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale I would very much like to order one of these books. Here's my pertinent info: Julie Knoeller 817 San Juan Drive Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (408) 732-3565 Thanks for the post! Julie At 11:58 AM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, All - > >Well, this really isn't a commercial posting, but it is evidence that I >probably need a Nanny. > >Several months ago I was in my absolutely favorite junk store, Ocean State Job >Lot, rummaging around in their serendipitous assortment of remaindered stuff >and odd-lot items, indulging my packrat proclivities, when I ran across a pile >of brand-new hardcover copies of "Merriam Webster's Guide to International >Communications" by Toby C. Atkinson. > >This is the 1994 edition (there is a newer, larger one) and it blew me away. >It has nothing to do with computers (Hooray!!), the Internet (double Hooray!!) >or Bill Clinton (Quadruple Hooray!!). What it does do, for about 36 countries >from Australia to Venezuela, is explain everything you might want to know >about how to communicate with persons and organizations in these countries. It >is absolutely one of the most interesting references I have run across. > >For example, if you ever wondered how to decipher a Japanese address such as: > >. Mr. Taro Tanaka >. Kokusai Shuppen K.K. >. 10-23 5-Chome, Minamiazabu >. Minato-ku >. TOKYO 106 > >this book parses the address and explains the meaning of each term. > >Or if you wanted to know the date, money, typographical conventions, postcodes >and phone system in Sweden, or street-name and proper-name conventions in >Mexico, this little 327-page book has them. Plus a 19-page keyword/symbol >index AND a subject index! Wow! > >As they say in the Ginzu knife ads, "But Wait! There's More!". There also >are reference sections for getting phone calls and faxes through, on how to >make your English more understandable, and on how to print European >characters. > >Anyway, they had around 23 copies of this little guy for $2.99 apiece, and I >flipped out and bought them all. Figured they were too much fun to pass up, >and there had to be a bunch of people who really would enjoy and use them. >The original $2.99 price stickers still are on the front covers. > >So here's the deal: If anybody in the U.S. wants one, would you please let me >know offlist, and I will send you one Priority Mail. When you get it, send me >three bucks for the flat-rate Priority Mail postage plus three bucks for the >book (the one-penny round-up is easier, and forget the sales tax I paid). You >don't have to send money in advance. I'll trust that you won't stiff me for >$6.00, and I this way I don't have to put my home address all over the >Internet. If you want two I have to send them separately because I can't stuff >two copies in one Flat-Rate envelope (they just won't fit). Fust come fust >served... It's a lot of trouble, and I will lose a few cents (tax) on each >transaction, but that's no big deal and they really are fun to read... > >So, I don't believe that this really is a commercial posting. I lugged a copy >to Seattle, thinking that I would show it to my friends and colleagues, and >collect some names (and, of course, the $6.) But I never got around to taking >it out of my suitcase. Right know I am looking at a pile of these guys (kind >of pretty sky-blue cover with gold lettering) thinking that there might be a >downside to irrational acts of kindness... > >Best wishes, > >Bob Richardson > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:08 -0500 Reply-To: gvrindex@xsite.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: gvrindex Subject: DECISIONS, DECISIONS, DECISIONS The Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter of ASI is delighted to announce its Fall Workshop to be held on October 17 at the Wyndham Garden Hotel-O'Hare in Chicago. The program will be: Decisions, Decisions, Decisions-- Editing the Index Presented by Kay Banning and Linda Webster This all-day, intermediate-level workshop will provide editing techniques and checklists with examples from a variety of subject fields in both book and journal indexing. Practical suggestions and hands-on exercises will address wording of main headings and subheadings, conceptual structure of the index, cross-references, and shortening the index. This workshop was first presented at the Winston-Salem ASI Conference where Kay and Linda received bravo reviews. This is their first presentation of the workshop as ASI approved speakers. More detailed information and registration materials are available on the Chapter's Web site at http://www.xsite.net/~cglc or from Gerry Van Ravenswaay (telephone: 773-665-2588) at gvrindex@xsite.net. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Leonard Subject: 1998 Indexer Services Directory Greetings, Does anyone know the probable publication date for the 1998 Indexer Services Directory and when notices for inclusion will be mailed out to members? Thanks David Leonard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:09:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Zip Drive question Every since I got a Zip Drive earlier this year I've been plagued with the same problem. When loading onto a new or reformatted blank disk, it loads about 10 megs and then says "file can't be copied; check if disk is full or write-protected". It doesn't happen all the time, but I would say most of the time. I got nowhere from the manual (what manual you say!) and support from Iomega is nonexistent as far as I could tell (I guess that's how they keep it so darn cheap) so I'm gonna try bouncing it off the Index-Lers. I have easily a half a dozen disks with only 10 megs on each! I read somewhere they may even be a virus that produces a similar phenomenon. Any ideas? Thanks Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:45:11 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Off-Topic: Mouse Issue I'm having a problem with my mouse. Several otherwise sharp repair people say, essentially, that the problem is in my head. Right after I reboot, the curser can move from one corner to the farthest corner of my screen with a tiny flick of my wrist. Very sensitive. After a while (less than 10 minutes) it suddenly and obviously slows down and acts like it is moving through deep water. It takes two and a half strokes to move the curser across the screen. Then, in the middle of a program, with or without other programs being open, the curser suddenly slows even further and acts like it is moving through molasses, at which time it takes four or five strokes to move the cursor across the screen. The only solution is to reboot. This is not due to the curser being set to "slow" - it is set to the fastest setting (and besides, I am complaining about the *change* in speed.) This is also not due to too little memory - I have just bought enough to make 56K and use less than half that even when all of the programs I use are open. And it's not due to being an old Mac - it's a 6400/200, and almost state-of-the-art (which is a further reason that this is so frustrating). Does ANYONE have an explanation/solution to this? Or at least some new cuss words? Martha ___________________________________ Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing - Back of the Book Indexing for Publishers and Authors index@teleport.com Web Page: www.teleport.com/~index ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:09:16 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Subject: Locators / Page References Question Brian Peck asks how to make multi-part location references to format the way he wants them to, in both SKY Index and CINDEX. SKY Index ======== Type the locators with a colon between the legislation number and the section number. Make sure you repeat the legislation number, even though you don't want it to print out. e.g. 509:(59)-509:(62). Choose Index Options from the Options menu, and click the Locators tab. Under "Merge Options" check the "Chapters" checkbox. Under "Chapter Separators" place a colon in the "Input" box, a space in the "Output" box, and a semicolon in the "New Chapter" box. (Make sure you don't blank out the "Volumes separators" boxes, otherwise it won't work.) You can get exactly the same result by carrying this out on the Volume Separators boxes instead. This is explained in the manual on pages 90-91. CINDEX ======= >From the look of it you want a space between the legislation number and the opening parenthesis. When you're typing, make sure you repeat the legislation number, even though you don't want it to print out. e.g. 509 (59)-509 (62). Choose Page References from the Document menu. Under "Multi-part References" check the box marked "Suppress Repeated Parts". Place a space in the "Suppress To" box and a comma followed by a space in the "Concatenate with" box. Click OK. Choose Reference Syntax from the Documents menu and place a semicolon in the "Separator" box. If you are typing several locators into a single record, use a semicolon to separate them (not a comma). This is explained in the manual on pages 132-133. =========== There are probably several ways to do the same thing in both programs. You need to experiment till you get the references looking exactly the way you want. The key, though, is always to type the full number every time, regardless of how you want it to format. Incidentally, I have written a comparative review of both SKY Index and CINDEX appearing in the current issue of the Newsletter of the Australian Society of Indexers, which is in the post now. It is also on society's Web page at www.zeta.org.au/~aussi. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:14:05 +0000 Reply-To: paper@lj.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sunny Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam I am new, just beginning the USDA correspondance course, so, I humbly thank you for your informative comments on software and how 'things' are done. I too, noticed a message that, by jove, was simply advertising and knew it didnt belong. HOpe it 'goes away.' rm S. Greenhouse wrote: > Fellow Index-L'ers, > > Has anyone else noted an increase in spam in the last 4 > weeks or so? Has anyone else gotten spammed and noticed > other addressees were Index-L'ers? > > Earlier this week I received yet another piece of spam, > addressed to me and three others that I recognized as > members of my Index-L community. I posted to them, thinking > that the link among us was that d--- Indexer's Referral > Network from Dennis Lastique. [I hereby publicly admit to > helping the fisherman set the hook on this one, as I did go > to his site and fill out a profile. Then I read the > information gathered by the mavens in this community and > just sat back, waiting for the spam storm. I consoled myself > by deciding to perform public service spam reports to every > abuse domain I could think of in response.] > > Anyway, with this latest posting, I posted to the three > other Index-L'ers, thinking that misery loves company and > maybe there was a way of stopping the sale of our names to > spammers. It appears they never went to the Referral Network > site and/or never filed out a profile. Some were smarter > than I was and didn't even bother reading the message I was > writing about. The only thing we did have in common is > Index-L. > > Following along on this connection, I realized once you > subscribe to Index-L you can ask the listserver to send you > a complete listing of all potential spamees, um, > subscribers. One of my fellow spamees noticed an increase of > spam on one of her accounts beginning in the middle of > August, which is when Lastique joined our merry band. The > posting I received was only addressed to 4 of us, and my > correspondent tracked down Lastique's Web site host, which > prohibits mass mailings to more than 25 members of a > listserv. > > So, if anyone else is noticing an increase in spam, please > respond to the list. If you have your filters set to weed > out unwanted mail, or if you have multiple accounts set up > to protect yourself please check the junk and see if there > is an Index-L link. If there is, then we can go to > Lastique's host, and maybe enlist Charlotte's help in > stopping the use of this listserve's membership list as a > source of spamees. > > Thanks > Shelley Greenhouse > greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:51:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Computer support to indexing I'm rather proud to have just had a book published (with Gail Hodge) on Automated Support to Indexing. If anyone is interested in more information, please contact me directly at milstead@ct1.nai.net and I'll forward the promo. Jessica L. Milstead Voice: 203/740-2433 The JELEM Company Fax: 203/740-1152 P.O. Box 5063 milstead@ct1.nai.net 17 Brooks Lane Brookfield, CT 06804 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:45:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam In-Reply-To: <199809151623.MAA00362@mail1.javanet.com> Interesting. I just re-signed with index-l a couple of days ago after a long absence, and the *very first* e-mail I received after being activated was a piece of spam. So it has to be index-l. Jessica Milstead At 12:22 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >Fellow Index-L'ers, > >Has anyone else noted an increase in spam in the last 4 >weeks or so? Has anyone else gotten spammed and noticed >other addressees were Index-L'ers? > Jessica ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:36:26 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Stacey Chambers Organization: PAIS Subject: SUBSCRIBE Please subscribe me to your listserv. Thank you -- stacey@pais.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:13:55 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverlee Day Subject: Negotiating fees Hello Index-L readers, I would like to get your opinion/advice/experience regarding negotiating fees with clients. I started working with a publisher this summer. We negotiated a price and I have now indexed 3 books for them for that same price. Someone from a different department within the same publishing company recently contacted me about another project. When I brought up fees, I may have made the mistake by suggesting the same price when I think I could have gotten more money per page. The reason I believe so is that she seemed a little surprised when I told her $2.50 per page. Perhaps I should have asked HER what she pays others. I am fairly new to indexing (I am starting my second full year now) and I don't want to be too particular, but then, on the other hand, I don't want to be taken advantage of. This client publishes scholarly books and they give me reasonable deadlines. Am I asking too little? How do you negotiate fees with new clients? Do you ask them, or do you suggest a fee and stick with it? Thanks for your advice! Beverlee Day Guided by Words Indexing bevday@eta.k12.mn.us ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:07:24 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam PS: The place to complain to is Abuse@freeyellow.com Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:59:10 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDE097.D34463C0 Content-Type: text/plain Robert, If you're referring to Bob Richardson's post, I don't think he was referring to a book he indexed but rather to a reference book of which he had purchased multiple copies that he was offering at cost. TW > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert A. Saigh [SMTP:fugleman@MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale > > To Everyone: > > Now that we're in the mode of mentioning books we've worked on, I > just finished a dictionary of international data communications terms > which is being published by Glenlake Publishing Company in Chicago > (among other places). If you need such a tome, call Pat at > 773-262-9436, and tell her I sent you. > > Normally, I would never send such an e-mail, and I hope I haven't > crossed any e-mail protocol boundaries. But, since the other compadre > mentioned his book, I thought I'd mention mine. It occurs to me that > we should promote ourselves, not only as indexers but as writers (if > we are one). > > Has anyone else written and been published (or published)? > > rob > fugleman@mindspring.com ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDE097.D34463C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Robert,
        If you're referring to Bob Richardson's post, I don't think he = was referring to a book he indexed but rather to a reference book of = which he had purchased multiple copies that he was offering at = cost.


TW

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Robert A. Saigh = [SMTP:fugleman@MINDSPRING.COM]
    Sent:   Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:58 PM
    To:     Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L
    Subject:       = Re: Pretty neat reference book for = sale

    To Everyone:

        = Now that we're in the mode of mentioning books we've worked on, = I
    just finished a = dictionary of international data communications terms
    which is being = published by Glenlake Publishing Company in Chicago
    (among other = places).  If you need such a tome, call Pat at
    773-262-9436, and = tell her I sent you.

        = Normally, I would never send such an e-mail, and I hope I = haven't
    crossed any e-mail = protocol boundaries.  But, since the other compadre
    mentioned his book, = I thought I'd mention mine.  It occurs to me that
    we should promote = ourselves, not only as indexers but as writers (if
    we are one).

        = Has anyone else written and been published (or published)?

        = rob
        = fugleman@mindspring.com

------ =_NextPart_001_01BDE097.D34463C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:52:21 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Mystery/Diversion: Index-L & increased spam I will step forward as the partner of Shelley's in trying to stop the spam. I did some research on this person and discovered lots of interesting facts (like the number of businesses with HIS phone and address, the frequency of address changes, etc.). One of his 'businesses (along with 2 supposed computer service companies) was named Any Thing Legal. Hmmm... In reading even finer print on the free yellow page service he posted through, he can be shut off by them if we complain that he appears to have misrepresented his interest in Index-L, that he has done his spamming by mailing to 3 or 4 of us at a time (so he 'technically' doesn't violate their rules), and that those of us who never received spam on their accounts (like me on this screen name) can pretty much tie him to our new receipt of junk. The first item in that service's terms of service states: "NO Unsolicited or commercial bulk email...If you send unsolicited email promoting your site, business, or opportunity, your site will be deleted without warning!!!" I am about to send my complaint. I hope others will join in to get rid of this guy. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:57 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: WHOA! I'm Cleaned out! Hi, all - Wow! Talk about beating a path, etc.!! Within 20 minutes I was cleaned out!. I'll send the books ASAP, and will let people who were too late know, so they won't be waiting around checking the mail... Thanks for your (really) overwhelming response. Wish I had more, but that was all they had in three stores! The current, larger, edition is available from AMAZON.COM for around $18.00 or so (don't remember exactly). Thanks, again! Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:03:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith L Barber This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BDE193.DFBEAFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Empire Magic, I am a 4th grade teacher and do some magic in my classroom. I = once saw a spring loaded pencil that you could pull out of a pocket, = ear, etc. and it expanded to 4 feet in length. I would like to know = where I could get such an item and anything else teacher-related. = Please E-mail me back at keithjennifer@prodigy.net. Thanks a lot, = Keith Barber P.S. My wife is a school librarian who could also use some ideas and = props. Any suggestions? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BDE193.DFBEAFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Empire Magic,
 
      I am = a 4th grade=20 teacher and do some magic in my classroom.  I once saw a spring = loaded=20 pencil that  you could pull out of a pocket, ear, etc. and it = expanded to 4=20 feet in length.  I would like to know where I could get such an = item and=20 anything else teacher-related.  Please E-mail me back at keithjennifer@prodigy.net.&= nbsp;=20 Thanks a lot,     Keith Barber
 
P.S.  My wife is a school = librarian who=20 could also use some ideas and props.  Any=20 suggestions?
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BDE193.DFBEAFA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:19:44 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: Negotiating fees Hi Beverley, It is a good idea to have a ballpark figure you won't go below, but yes, I do try to ask clients what they are paying to avoid getting less than you might want. Having 2 clients within the same company can be tricky, unless you can justify 2 wage structures, in my experience. If a client pays below my minimum (based on what I need to earn to pay overhead expenses), I have to consider whether I need to fill a time slot, like the topic, like the editor, like the author, or just need a change of pace. It isn't that I won't go below my minimum; it is that I need to have a reason to do so. I think that $2.50/page is on the low side for scholarly work, but if there are compelling reasons that the index isn't going to be terribly long or difficult (short book, thin text on each page, lots of A-level headings to guide me throught the topic, clear and informative headings to offer me reasonable keywords, a detailed glossary, etc.), I might go for it if I knew I could index at least 10 pages an hour. I definitely would be hard-pressed to think I could index a dense text for that rate and still make a living wage. (At 5 pages/hour, you'd be better off working at McDonald's, where you might get health benefits and have the chance for promotion!) Without knowing more about the publisher or the book, it is hard to make a completely accurate assessment of whether or not $2.50/page is good wages or bad wages. And if you need the work, low wages are better than no wages. Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:18:27 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Darci Balius Subject: Re: Computer support to indexing Jessica-- I am intrigued by the book's title. Can you tell me more about the book? I am currently working on a presentation for the STC region 7 conference in October, and from the title your book sounds like it's "right up my alley." Thanks Darci Balius Sakson & Taylor darcib@sakson.com -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Milstead [mailto:milstead@MAIL1.NAI.NET] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 4:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Computer support to indexing I'm rather proud to have just had a book published (with Gail Hodge) on Automated Support to Indexing. If anyone is interested in more information, please contact me directly at milstead@ct1.nai.net and I'll forward the promo. Jessica L. Milstead Voice: 203/740-2433 The JELEM Company Fax: 203/740-1152 P.O. Box 5063 milstead@ct1.nai.net 17 Brooks Lane Brookfield, CT 06804 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:24:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Zip Drive question, wee bit more info Just wanted to point out that I know about the Zip drive software-implemented read/write protect feature. None of the infected disks show as protected in any way. I strongly suspect there is an undocumented problem with this feature, perhaps with platform issues (I'm on Windows 3.11) that it would probably take a lot of long distance calling to Iomega to get to the bottom of, which is where I will go next if nobody has any ideas. Any ideas? Thanks Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:31:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: Computer support to indexing In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980915185136.006ace58@ct1.nai.net> Jessica, I got the announcement on another list and will be ordering my copy, since I teach in the area. However I admit I gulped a couple of times at the cost of $235 [espeically when I convert it to Canadian dollars]. My guess is that for most folks getting their local library to buy a copy may be more feasible. Cheers, Susie Stephenson SLAIS/UBC Vancouver On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Jessica Milstead wrote: > I'm rather proud to have just had a book published (with Gail Hodge) on > Automated Support to Indexing. > > If anyone is interested in more information, please contact me directly at > milstead@ct1.nai.net and I'll forward the promo. > > > Jessica L. Milstead Voice: 203/740-2433 > The JELEM Company Fax: 203/740-1152 > P.O. Box 5063 milstead@ct1.nai.net > 17 Brooks Lane > Brookfield, CT 06804 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:09:58 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IndexerJ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NYC meetings In a message dated 98-09-14 09:26:45 EDT, you write: << I believe that the last NYC meeting was later than 1982, because my first ASI meeting was about 1986 or so, and it was in NYC (in the basement of the Ethical Culture building off CPW, with under 100 members in attendance). >> ASI's last New York City meeting was in 1988. About 75 people attended. It was a one-day meeting. Meetings were one-day (Saturday) events until the 25th Anniversary meeting in 1993. Below is the list of cities where ASI meetings have been held the past 10 years plus those sites selected for future meetings. The Board has voted to meet in a northeastern city in 2001. Boston, New York, and Philadelphia are all under consideration. In a rough way we are trying to jump around geographically so that the same people won't be stuck with transcontinental airfares two or three years in a row. 1988 New York City 1989 San Francisco 1990 Chicago 1991 Minneapolis 1992 San Antonio 1993 Alexandria, VA ("Washington, DC") 1994 San Diego 1995 Montreal 1996 Denver 1997 Winston-Salem, NC 1998 Seattle 1999 Indianapolis 2000 Albuquerque Jeanne Moody ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:09:58 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IndexerJ@AOL.COM Subject: Big city meetings << why we don't have our national meetings more often in locations where publishers are plentiful, such as Washington, DC or New York City. It would make our organization more high profile and the organizing committee could invite some dynamite speakers from among the editors located in that city. >> There seems to be an interesting assumption that publishers/editors will flock to ASI meetings if held in their city. These birds evidently must dislike travel. Perhaps they will come to an ASI meeting in their city...but not unless there is a concerted effort to tell them about the meeting in the first place. I don't think we have ever sent out meeting announcements to publishing houses and/or editors on a broad scale. Have we placed ever meeting announcements in their professional society newsletters? Another thought. What's in it for editors or publishers? Why should an editor waste a day or two hobnobbing with people who are mostly interested in selling her their services? Or listening to information on the art of indexing that is job-related only in a peripheral way? If ASI regularly featured educational workshops of sufficient interest to editors, perhaps they might even travel to less expensive cities from time to time...if, of course, they were informed. Jeanne Moody ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:47:16 -0400 Reply-To: kbokeefe@ncounty.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kb Okeefe." Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale Sorry to have missed the book, Bob. Ocean State Job Lot? One of my favorites too. I'm in MA, near Woonsocket,RI. Are you in this area? Just curious if there are other indexers in "my neck of the woods". Kathy O'K. > >Several months ago I was in my absolutely favorite junk store, Ocean State Job >Lot, rummaging around in their serendipitous assortment of remaindered stuff >and odd-lot items, indulging my packrat proclivities, when I ran across a pile >of brand-new hardcover copies of "Merriam Webster's Guide to International >Communications" by Toby C. Atkinson. > >This is the 1994 edition (there is a newer, larger one) and it blew me away. >It has nothing to do with computers (Hooray!!), the Internet (double Hooray!!) >or Bill Clinton (Quadruple Hooray!!). What it does do, for about 36 countries >from Australia to Venezuela, is explain everything you might want to know >about how to communicate with persons and organizations in these countries. It >is absolutely one of the most interesting references I have run across. > >For example, if you ever wondered how to decipher a Japanese address such as: > >. Mr. Taro Tanaka >. Kokusai Shuppen K.K. >. 10-23 5-Chome, Minamiazabu >. Minato-ku >. TOKYO 106 > >this book parses the address and explains the meaning of each term. > >Or if you wanted to know the date, money, typographical conventions, postcodes >and phone system in Sweden, or street-name and proper-name conventions in >Mexico, this little 327-page book has them. Plus a 19-page keyword/symbol >index AND a subject index! Wow! > >As they say in the Ginzu knife ads, "But Wait! There's More!". There also >are reference sections for getting phone calls and faxes through, on how to >make your English more understandable, and on how to print European >characters. > >Anyway, they had around 23 copies of this little guy for $2.99 apiece, and I >flipped out and bought them all. Figured they were too much fun to pass up, >and there had to be a bunch of people who really would enjoy and use them. >The original $2.99 price stickers still are on the front covers. > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:09:42 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pretty neat reference book for sale Julie - Sorry, I was cleaned out within 1/2 hour of posting my note! But the newer, larger edition is available from AMAZON for about $18, and I believe it's worth it! Best, Bob ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:00:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Locators / Page References Question << Brian Peck asks how to make multi-part location references to format the way he wants them to, in both SKY Index and CINDEX. >> Macrex has extremely powerful capabilities for variations in locators--you can do just about anything with it. Call Macrex technical support (Gale Rhoades) for more information/help with the specific situation--650-756-0821. Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:13:19 -0400 Reply-To: ADay@professionaljeweler.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Mouse Issue Martha, I've never had this problem, but as a Mac user who has fiddled around with computer memory a lot, I just thought one suggestion wouldn't hurt: You say you have your applications set so that only about half of your 56MB of RAM is being used even when all your apps. are running simultaneously. As I understand it, that means half of your RAM is just sitting there unused while you work. (If even the system software isn't using it, based on the "about this Macintosh" window, it's going to waste.) If this mouse problem occurs mainly in a particular application, I'd change the memory requirement for that app. (from the "get info" window... you know the routine) to use more RAM. In other words, if you have the problem with Cindex, and Cindex is set to use 10 MB of RAM, but you have 25+ MB that are available, try changing Cindex's "required" memory to at least 20 or 25 MB. Maybe you've already tried this, but if not, it's worth a shot. I've found that many problems can be solved by increasing the memory for the application(s) in questions. The "minimum" suggested memory allocation is rarely enough. Anne Back Words Indexing wrote: > > I'm having a problem with my mouse. Several otherwise sharp repair people > say, essentially, that the problem is in my head. > > Right after I reboot, the curser can move from one corner to the farthest > corner of my screen with a tiny flick of my wrist. Very sensitive. After a > while (less than 10 minutes) it suddenly and obviously slows down and acts > like it is moving through deep water. It takes two and a half strokes to > move the curser across the screen. Then, in the middle of a program, with > or without other programs being open, the curser suddenly slows even > further and acts like it is moving through molasses, at which time it takes > four or five strokes to move the cursor across the screen. The only > solution is to reboot. > > This is not due to the curser being set to "slow" - it is set to the > fastest setting (and besides, I am complaining about the *change* in > speed.) This is also not due to too little memory - I have just bought > enough to make 56K and use less than half that even when all of the > programs I use are open. And it's not due to being an old Mac - it's a > 6400/200, and almost state-of-the-art (which is a further reason that this > is so frustrating). > > Does ANYONE have an explanation/solution to this? Or at least some new > cuss words? > > Martha > > ___________________________________ > Martha Osgood > Back Words Indexing - Back of the Book Indexing for Publishers and Authors > index@teleport.com Web Page: www.teleport.com/~index ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:41:03 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement In a message dated 98-09-16 16:47:35 EDT, Thelda Bertram wrote: << ..(Client) has no obligation to advise (indexer) of any changes or revisions to the information. ...(Client) accepts no responsibility for any expenses, losses ...as a result of the receipt of this information... >> Seems to me that contracts of any kind are negotiable. One party can line out statements to which he/she doesn't agree and initial the margin during the negotiation process. After some mutual agreement is reached, then the contract is ready for signatures by both parties. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:50:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Leonard Subject: 1998 Indexer Services Directory I posted this yesterday but received no response: Does anyone know the projected publication date for the 1998 Indexer Services Directory and when notices for inclusion will be mailed out to members? Thanks David Leonard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:57:42 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: francine cronshaw Subject: Re: Big city meetings In-Reply-To: Jeanne, Very often assumptions, however interesting, can be dangerous... actually, as the person who originally posted the suggestion, I _meant_ that individual indexers visiting cities like New York with many publishers could take the opportunity to call on current clients and try to set up meetings with new ones. A trip to New York was definitely on my schedule this year and an ASI meeting in Winston-Salem just wasn't close enough! Regards, Francine Cronshaw Tijeras, New Mexico On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 IndexerJ@AOL.COM wrote: > << why we don't have our national meetings more often in locations where > publishers are plentiful, such as Washington, DC or New York City. It would > make our organization more high profile and the organizing committee could > invite some dynamite speakers from among the editors located > in that city. >> > > There seems to be an interesting assumption that publishers/editors will flock > to ASI meetings if held in their city. These birds evidently must dislike > travel. Perhaps they will come to an ASI meeting in their city...but not > unless there is a concerted effort to tell them about the meeting in the first > place. I don't think we have ever sent out meeting announcements to > publishing houses and/or editors on a broad scale. Have we placed ever > meeting announcements in their professional society newsletters? > > Another thought. What's in it for editors or publishers? Why should an > editor waste a day or two hobnobbing with people who are mostly interested in > selling her their services? Or listening to information on the art of > indexing that is job-related only in a peripheral way? If ASI regularly > featured educational workshops of sufficient interest to editors, perhaps > they might even travel to less expensive cities from time to time...if, of > course, they were informed. > > Jeanne Moody > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Rumper, Gail J" Subject: Re: an update/indexing disaster Hello everyone, After my last post describing my first indexing experience/disaster, someone suggested that I post a description of the project so that other indexers would be informed and could avoid any association with it should the author contact them. I can understand how this might be helpful so if anyone is interested in further details about the project or the author you may contact me off-list and I will do my best to answer any questions you may have. Regards, Gail -- rumpergj@jmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:00:08 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: 1998 Indexer Services Directory Check with a Board member or call the national office to find out about the next Indexers Services. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:17:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Brian Peck (Research/Library)" Subject: Thanks Thanks to all for helping on my Cindex/SKYIndex question. Now that that is solved I can move on to reviewing other parts of the software. Also I would be more than happy to hear from anyone, on either of these programs, who works with legislative and statutory documents. Feel free to send directly to me. BRIAN M. PECK Technical Librarian/Indexer North Carolina General Assembly 300 N. Salisbury Street Raleigh, NC 27603-5925 Phone: 919-733-9390 Fax: 919-715-5460 email: brianp@ms.ncga.state.nc.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:21:42 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: Big city meetings Hi Jeanne, As a matter of fact, ASI has sent out announcements about the ASI meeting to publishers. In Denver, we created a mailing list of publishers (mostly managing editors), library schools, and so forth for all contiguous states. For Winston-Salem, we did the same. When I say "we," I mean that Elspeth Pope researched the mailing list and I mailed out about 5,000 flyers (in the days before self-stick stamps). One year I also had a volunteer to help stuff the envelopes. (We included a cover letter with each trying to make clear why the editors and library science practitioners would find the conference useful.) I also did exchange mailings with NFAIS and the Council of Biology Editors, as well as anyone else who would swap mailing lists with us. (We can't afford to buy too many of them, although one year we did send a mailing to members of AASLH in the Northeast, when the meeting was in Montreal. I think ASI paid for that mailing list.) However, what you should know is that finding the money to print enough flyers to send them out added to the conference expenses (I think that I was granted an extra 5,000 flyers each year I attempted to do this. Considering that STC has 20,000 members, you can see why I couldn't afford to send out flyers to everyone we might think would be interested), and I am not sure we made enough in return to warrant this effort. However, while I was publicity coordinator, we did attempt to find money to pay for these mailings, in order to test the waters. But we are a small organization and we cannot afford blanket mailings to everyone on the planet who might be interested in coming to a meeting. That is why I also sent many flyers to each chapter rep to be distributed to interested people in their area, sent copies of the meeting announcement to all my regular clients in the region, and encouraged other ASI members to get the word out. (I do know that at least one library patron in Kansas came to the ASI meeting one year, having picked up a flyer at her local public library, placed there by an ASI member.) We can't afford to advertise in major media, because the costs would swamp our publicity budget. Advertising and layout expenses are beyond the current ASI budget. If you check back through my publicity committee reports, you will find all of this mentioned in detail, with exact numbers of mailings, with a list of the problems inherent in being a small, UNDERFUNDED and UNDERSTAFFED organization in a large industry, and so forth. When our dues go up, I certainly hope everyone will be willing to shell out another $40-50 apiece simply to cover the costs of adequate publicity, or we still won't have a budget anywhere near what we need to do what we "should" be doing. Also, we would need a dozen people willing to stuff envelopes, not just two of us! We are an organization that can't afford to print its own letterhead, new brochures with our correct mailing address, and so forth. Printing 20,000 extra conference mailings in order to attract another 100 people to our conferences is not realistic. We don't have the organizational structure to back up this kind of publicity. Getting off my soapbox now.... Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN P.S. Thanks again Elspeth for all the work you single-handedly did to create our mailing lists each year that I was on the publicity committee. (They have to be updated annually, because people move around so much, presses change address or go under, new presses appear, and so forth. I'm sure that Peg Mauer would be happy to have a volunteer for this NOW, because the mailing list must be ready by December to send out the conference flyers as soon as they are printed.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:33:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Negotiating fees In-Reply-To: <199809162046.QAA29355@mail4.bellsouth.net> One of the easiest ways to handle a necessary increase in fees is to adopt a schedule of raises in advance and let your clients know about it -- esp your repeat clients. I've been raising my "base" rate by about 5%-10% per year -- usually by $.25/hour -- and I do it at, like, New Year's. So, along about Halloween or Thanksgiving, I include a note with the current project invoice to my regular clients, notifying them (politely) that my rates will be going up slightly in a month or two. I've never yet (that I know of) lost a client because of this, nor even had any of them question my rates. They seem to be completely unsurprised by it. I'm still a bit under the national average, I think, so I'm still competitive -- at least, I am with those publishers who are willing to pay a decent fee! And since the rate increases are individually small and are announced in advance, they don't come as a budgetary shock to the clients, who can view them as just another small-but-unavoidable hike in their overall overhead. Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Beverlee Day |Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 4:14 PM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Negotiating fees | | |Hello Index-L readers, | |I would like to get your opinion/advice/experience regarding negotiating |fees with clients. I started working with a publisher this summer. We |negotiated a price and I have now indexed 3 books for them for that same |price. Someone from a different department within the same publishing |company recently contacted me about another project. When I |brought up fees, |I may have made the mistake by suggesting the same price when I think I |could have gotten more money per page. The reason I believe so is that she |seemed a little surprised when I told her $2.50 per page. Perhaps I should |have asked HER what she pays others. I am fairly new to indexing (I am |starting my second full year now) and I don't want to be too particular, |but then, on the other hand, I don't want to be taken advantage of. This |client publishes scholarly books and they give me reasonable deadlines. Am |I asking too little? How do you negotiate fees with new clients? Do you ask |them, or do you suggest a fee and stick with it? |Thanks for your advice! | |Beverlee Day |Guided by Words Indexing |bevday@eta.k12.mn.us | ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:40:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Mouse Issue Martha, I once had a problem where *everything* slowed down if the computer was on for a long time. If I left it on overnight, it was "groggy" the next morning until I rebooted. I had a bad memory board, and the problem went away when that was fixed (under warranty, thank goodness). You seem to only have problems with the mouse curser, but my experience makes me wonder if this isn't a hardware problem too -- maybe with memory or the port your mouse plugs into? Can you borrow a mouse that runs from a different port & see if it helps?? Ann Truesdale In a message dated 98-09-16 16:49:21 EDT, Martha wrote: > > I'm having a problem with my mouse. Several otherwise sharp repair people > say, essentially, that the problem is in my head. > > Right after I reboot, the curser can move from one corner to the farthest > corner of my screen with a tiny flick of my wrist. Very sensitive. After a > while (less than 10 minutes) it suddenly and obviously slows down and acts > like it is moving through deep water. It takes two and a half strokes to > move the curser across the screen. Then, in the middle of a program, with > or without other programs being open, the curser suddenly slows even > further and acts like it is moving through molasses, at which time it takes > four or five strokes to move the cursor across the screen. The only > solution is to reboot. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:48:46 +0000 Reply-To: paper@lj.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sunny Subject: Re: Zip Drive question I found it best on ANY discette to format it first, no matter what the package says... I have a zip drive and really like it. Havent had the problem you mentioned. sorry its doing that to you... rebecca indexer@INETCOM.NET wrote: > Every since I got a Zip Drive earlier this year I've been plagued with the > same problem. When loading onto a new or reformatted blank disk, it loads > about 10 megs and then says > "file can't be copied; check if disk is full or write-protected". It > doesn't happen all the time, but I would say most of the time. I got > nowhere from the manual (what manual you say!) and support from Iomega is > nonexistent as far as I could tell (I guess that's how they keep it so darn > cheap) so I'm gonna try bouncing it off the Index-Lers. I have easily a > half a dozen disks with only 10 megs on each! I read somewhere they may > even be a virus that produces a similar phenomenon. > > Any ideas? > Thanks > Kevin Mulrooney > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dyslexics of the world untie! > > First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 > 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net > Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:13:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Russ, Kerri" Subject: Print Windows Directory - Reply to Previous Post > Crossposted to Techwr-L, Winhlp-L and WordTips Digest > > Greetings! > > I saw a post a few weeks back on one of these lists asking how to print a > Windows directory in order to double-check their help document contents (I > can't remember which list it was so I'm crossposting). While it's > possible to do this in DOS, there's a useful shareware utility called > wonDirPrint, which can be found at > http://www.joekerswild.com/products.htm. wonDirPrint displays any windows > directory structure you specify and allows you to move the columns around, > hide any columns you don't want to print, export the directory to another > app, etc. I found it very useful and now I don't have to mess around in > DOS anymore. Yippee! > > The site has two other utilities (MultiMark--renames multiple files in > Windows and more, and Sander--file search and global text replace utility > for Windows). I haven't had the need to use them so I can't comment on > them, but they also many be useful to someone. > > This is not an advertisement, necessarily. My husband is the developer of > the utilities and he's put his heart and soul into these utilities. When > I saw the original posting asking how to do this, wonDirPrint wasn't done > yet or I'd have posted then. I beta tested wonDirPrint and I love it, > though for some reason, he didn't ask me to do the helpfile... hmmm... > > Hope wonDirPrint comes in handy to those who need this function (other > than me!). > > Kerri Russ > Technical Writer > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:44:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: Big city meetings for ASI (NYC) Hello all, Yes, I know that INDEX-L is not the venue for discussing ASI business but please bear with me here. I agree that it is nice concept to give ASI members geographically spread out a crack at attending an ASI conference closer to home. I am not against saving money! Far from it. BUT...since we are in business, we should think like businesses and go where the clients are. Few editors and publishers, I would guess (not having studied this in depth), would want to go to a meeting in a relatively isolated place, but even if they are not based in NYC or Chicago, they might go to NYC or Chicago because of the other links to publishing there. I think that ASI should hold their annual meetings in NYC or Chicago every year. Even though it may seem that the advertising for these conferences and the hotel room costs are expensive and so on and so forth, I think that the membership of ASI AND editors and publishers would benefit more in the long run from having the meetings in these hubs of the publishing industry rather than in smaller, cheaper cities where there are few publishers. Trying to get to these places from other small towns across the US is not always cheaper for everyone. For example, from where I sit in SE VA, I have to drive an hour to an airport to get a glider to DC or Charlotte, then whatever inconvenient flight there might be to Indianapolis or Albuquerque or whatever. DC-NY, DC-Chicago = easy connections and cheaper fares! As for the cost, the costs of attending the ASI conferences are business expenses. To make money you must be willing to spend money; getting a short-term loan or going into the red on a credit card may be the only solution. But if you meet a client face-to-face at the conference or get to visit a publishing office during the conference, and that client gives you tons of work in the next year because you are suddenly a real person and not just an e-mail address in a marketing packet...well, I say you're better off (if momentarily a tad bit poorer). A partial solution to the cost of advertising the conferences would be to do a search of Internet discussion lists for editors and publishers (like WISP) and post announcements on those lists. Another solution might be timely press releases to AAUP, SSP, and so on, with perhaps even small ads in newsletters, etc. (the cost of these would be far less than buying a mailing list and blindly sending out thousands of flyers). Another possibility would be to take out small ads in the NYT or Chicago Tribune or washington Post in their book sections, even if the ASI meetings are not in NYC or Chicago or DC. I also agree that the dues in ASI should go up substantially. Just my opinion. ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services (Cookbooks and Food History a Specialty) cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:28 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: 1998 Indexer Services Directory David Leonard said: > Does anyone know the probable publication date for the 1998 Indexer > Services Directory and when notices for inclusion will be mailed out to > members? Hello David and others, I get index-l in digest mode, so I just read your message from yesterday. Victoria Baker has recently taken over the responsibility for Indexer Services. Signup forms will be published in the Sept/Oct issue of KeyWords. (The forms will probably also be available on the ASI website. We'll let folks know when that happens.) The ASI Board is making every effort to get the Indexer Services out ASAP -- it's in our best interest to get it out as soon as humanly possible! Peg Mauer ASI Publicity Chair ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:01:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Negotiating fees In-Reply-To: <199809170409.XAA09743@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Am >I asking too little? How do you negotiate fees with new clients? Do you ask >them, or do you suggest a fee and stick with it? I name a price. If I think the density of the book is iffy, I name a range or a tentative price and suggest we settle on an exact price after I've seen the pages. For example, I might say, "I can do this for $4.00 a page, if the book is moderately dense. Why don't I take a look at the pages first, and then we can adjust the fee up or down if necessary?" If the book does turn out to be quite dense, say, upwards of 7 indexable terms per page, I go back and raise the rate for that book, and I let the editor know how many terms per page I found. BTW, the way I figure that out is either by indexing a bit of it or simply reading through a representative chapter (i.e., not the intro) and counting indexables. Editors seem to accept rate changes pretty well when you can quantify the density that way. That's how I do it. Hope this helps. I agree with Barbara that $2.50 seems low for scholarly books. Even when the number of indexable terms per page is fairly low, scholarly books tend to take longer to think about, because they're conceptual, so you can't index as fast. Since you've already apparently agreed to that rate for that book, you may be stuck with that for now. OTOH, it's really never too late to ask (i.e, reassess the job after you've seen the pages). I know some indexers don't agree with me on this, but I don't think it's inappropriate to ask for more money even after you've already agreed on a fee, if you find out you've made a mistake--so long as you *ask*, not demand/insist. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:18:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: Big city meetings for ASI (NYC) As a chemist who has attended the meetings of a group that also moves them around the country, I would vote FOR Chicago and AGAINST NYC. Yes, it may be a hub for the publishing business, but for exhibit space it has been a nightmare for exhibitors due to cost and union rules. One chemistry group (Pittcon) will never again have a meeting there because their exhibitors all swear they will not return. Also, hotel space is outrageously expensive for what you get. The meeting I am thinking of has a huge exhibit program, and although this may not be as relevant for ASI, my attendance at that meeting has soured me on NYC for professional meetings. Something that allows for cheap airfare into the Newark, NJ airport but not NYC proper would be OK, and still have the proximity to NYC. Chicago is for some reason much more meeting-friendly. On the other hand, if the meeting were in Phoenix in January, that might still have a lot of appeal...... Iris Ailin-Pyzik ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:47:00 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Shotter Subject: contacting publishers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE220.1E7D4940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody This is my first posting. I have been lurking for several weeks = while studying the SI's "Training in Indexing course". I was very = pleased to learn last week that I had passed the final exam and have now = successfully completed the course. I intend to do some voluntary indexes before offering my services up = for sale and in the meantime I am trying to sort the business out so = that I am ready to go when the time comes. Here comes my first "dumb" question! When writing to publishers = telling them of my availibility, to whom do I address the letter? I am = afraid that if I simply write to "The Editor", my letter will get lost = somewhere along the way or simply disregarded. In some earlier postings = several of you in the US wrote that you phone the publishers first to = get the name of the person you need to contact. I would like to know if = the same method is used in the UK. I know that we tend to be a bit more = formal here. Thanks in advance for any replies. Sandra ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE220.1E7D4940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    This is my first posting. = I have=20 been lurking for several weeks while studying the SI's "Training in = Indexing course". I was very pleased to learn last week that I had = passed=20 the final exam and have now successfully completed the = course.
    I intend to do some = voluntary=20 indexes before offering my services up for sale and in the meantime I am = trying=20 to sort the business out so that I am ready to go when the time=20 comes.
    Here comes my first = "dumb"=20 question! When writing to publishers telling them of my availibility, to = whom do=20 I address the letter? I am afraid that if I simply write to "The=20 Editor", my letter will get lost somewhere along the way or simply=20 disregarded. In some earlier postings several of you in the US wrote = that you=20 phone the publishers first to get the name of the person you need to = contact. I=20 would like to know if the same method is used in the UK. I know that we = tend to=20 be a bit more formal here.
Thanks in advance for any = replies.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE220.1E7D4940-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:31:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: contacting publishers In-Reply-To: <199809171713.NAA22616@mail4.bellsouth.net> |Hi everybody | This is my first posting. I have been lurking for several weeks = |while studying the SI's "Training in Indexing course". I was very = |pleased to learn last week that I had passed the final exam and have now = |successfully completed the course. | I intend to do some voluntary indexes before offering my services up = |for sale and in the meantime I am trying to sort the business out so = |that I am ready to go when the time comes. | Here comes my first "dumb" question! When writing to publishers = |telling them of my availibility, to whom do I address the letter? I am = |afraid that if I simply write to "The Editor", my letter will get lost = |somewhere along the way or simply disregarded. In some earlier postings = |several of you in the US wrote that you phone the publishers first to = |get the name of the person you need to contact. I would like to know if = |the same method is used in the UK. I know that we tend to be a bit more = |formal here. |Thanks in advance for any replies. | | Sandra [Um... First of all, you probably need to set your mail client to not repeat the message you typed in tagged HTML style below the original.] Okay. You definitely *don't* want to send your letter to an "anonymous" editor! In the U.S., LITERARY MARKET PLACE (an annual publication) is the best place to find up-to-date info on the names of key personnel at virtually any commercial publishing house, no matter how small. I honestly don't know whether there's an equivalent volume published in the U.K., but I would suggest you call your local library (if you're in or near a major city, anyway) and ask them; if you talk to a librarian who's been in the business for a few years, he/she probably is familiar with LMP and will know the sort of thing you're looking for. OTOH, I was a librarian for 30 yrs, and here I am, admitting I don't know the British equivalent.... :O Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:33:55 -0400 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Big city meetings for ASI (NYC) In-Reply-To: <199809171647.MAA13789@mx01.erols.com> Iris brings up what I think is a good point. I dislike conferences in big cities because of the extreme hotel expenses, parking expenses (and trouble finding parking) problems with traffic in general and as Iris pointed out - Union problems. My thought (as I think Iris was thinking) would be to simply hold the conferences in suburbs of large cities rather than *in* them. The conferences would then be more affordable and I don't think the publishers would be put out by an hour drive or so. For what it is worth, Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 410-374-3484 fax: 410-374-3484 .As a chemist who has attended the meetings of a group that also moves them . around .the country, I would vote FOR Chicago and AGAINST NYC. Yes, it .may be a hub for .the publishing business, but for exhibit space it has been a nightmare for .exhibitors due to cost and union rules. One chemistry group (Pittcon) will . never .again have a meeting there because their exhibitors all swear they will not .return. Also, hotel space is outrageously expensive for what you get. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:08:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett Subject: Index and morgue files I would really appreciate some feedback from you librarians or others experienced with periodical morgue files. I am creating a periodical inde= x which will also be used to help organize the company's morgue files. Sinc= e the index has multiple access points, I suggested we boldface headings which would be used as morgue file headings. = Any thoughts on an approach to this? When items are double posted, should= they be filed under the more general or more specific heading? Any experience on what works and what doesn't? Thanks for your thoughts. Nan Badgett dba Word-a-bil-i-ty ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:16:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IndexerJ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Big city meetings In a message dated 98-09-17 08:59:57 EDT, you write: << an ASI meeting in Winston-Salem just wasn't close enough! >> The board voted to go to North Carolina because of its proximity not only to members in the southern states, but also because it was within not- unreasonable driving distance of the Washington, D.C. area. Facilities in the Research Triangle ciities (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) did not meet ASI specifications. Alternatives with good airline service were Charlotte, Greensboro and Winston-Salem. Winston-Salem seemed a more attractive place to visit. Turn-out for that meeting was the highest up to that time. Seattle did attract more members, but we were unable to meet our minimum hotel room requirement. Someone suggested meeting only in New York City and Chicago. Are the numerous indexers on the west coast willing to be stuck with the transcontinental airfares as well as high hotel rates year after year? Do most indexers work for publishers in those cities? In 30 years I have indexed only one book from a NYC publisher and none from Chicago. Am I an unusual exception? D. Advocate aka Jeanne Moody Jeanne Moody ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:57:41 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Big city meetings Most of my clients are East Coast-based. A few are on the West Coast, and production houses tend to be scattered all over the country. But my publisher and professional association clients are in the East. For what it's worth. As an Arizona-based indexer, I have to travel no matter where the conference is. I'd just as soon hop a plane to the East Coast or Seattle as I would to Denver LA or some other close-by city. The length of the air travel is irrelevant. What *is* important, as Cynthia said, is the ease of making connections to the conference city. Winston-Salem was a disaster for me, too. I much prefer a simpler, more direct, air itinerary, which means sticking to more major or hub cities. If I have to travel, I'd rather it be to somewhere that will attract publishers to the conference, which increases my chances of a rewarding experience networking with potential clients. Of course, this means the program has to have some content that would make it attractive to clients who use indexers. That's a given. It's also not too difficult to do, and it's already in the works, from what I have heard. I would like ASI conferences to be more of a "continuing education" type of experience for those of us who work actively in the field. I know it is a challenge to provide a conference program of interest to a variety of members, from the new indexer to the more experienced. But I'm hoping to see more advanced skill-based workshops and theoretical or information science-type programs in future conferences. I'm very hopeful! Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:01:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: Big city meetings At 02:16 PM 9/17/98 EDT, IndexerJ@AOL.COM wrote: >Someone suggested meeting only in New York City and Chicago. Are the numerous >indexers on the west coast willing to be stuck with the transcontinental >airfares as well as high hotel rates year after year? Having the meetings in Chicago would be more central, if this is a really a major concern. > >Do most indexers work for publishers in those cities? In 30 years I have >indexed only one book from a NYC publisher and none from Chicago. Am I an >unusual exception? > You must be. ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services (Cookbooks and Food History a Specialty) cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:01:01 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Big city meetings I vote for Puerto Rico! It is surprising how inexpensive it is and everyone wants to go there. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:54:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Big city meetings In-Reply-To: <199809171902.PAA13383@camel23.mindspring.com> At 03:01 PM 9/17/98 -0400, you wrote: > >> >>Do most indexers work for publishers in those cities? In 30 years I have >>indexed only one book from a NYC publisher and none from Chicago. Am I an >>unusual exception? >> > >You must be. As long as I am in the business, Janet will never be the sole exception. (1) I've worked for Redmond WA, Indianapolis IN, Foster City CA, Scottsdale, AZ, and even right here in the Raleigh area, but nothing from NYC or Chicago. (1) Inside joke referrring to the fact that Janet and I followed similar paths into indexing and seem to have remarkably parallel experiences in the business. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett Subject: Digest Can someone please give me the command to discontinue digest? All my Index-L instructions are on my old computer whose hard drive recently crashed. And I can't remember the command to get another instruction sheet! I would appreciate a private response so I can change my settings today. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:02:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Big city meetings I hope this doesn't post to entire board, but if it does it is OK. I am a "lapsed" indexer, and cut my teeth at PAIS in New York, where I indexed social science research and journals. I am now living in DC and looking for avenues of income (perhaps even full-time work) in indexing. Can someone fill me in on how to begin my job search? Muchas gracias, Jessie b. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans [SMTP:infodex@MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Big city meetings > > At 03:01 PM 9/17/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> > >>Do most indexers work for publishers in those cities? In 30 years I > have > >>indexed only one book from a NYC publisher and none from Chicago. Am I > an > >>unusual exception? > >> > > > >You must be. > > As long as I am in the business, Janet will never be the sole exception. > (1) > > I've worked for Redmond WA, Indianapolis IN, Foster City CA, Scottsdale, > AZ, and even right here in the Raleigh area, but nothing from NYC or > Chicago. > > (1) Inside joke referrring to the fact that Janet and I followed similar > paths into indexing and seem to have remarkably parallel experiences in > the > business. > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:04:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Conference program emphasis In-Reply-To: <199809171858.OAA23610@mail2.javanet.com> I want to say "me too" to Janet's remark about the need for a continuing education emphasis. When I open a conference program and see that it is almost exclusively about "how to start your business" and "basic problems of indexing" I am not motivated to attend. Programs for beginners are important, but so are programs for those who have been around for awhile. Jessica At 02:57 PM 9/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >I would like ASI conferences to be more of a "continuing education" type of >experience for those of us who work actively in the field. I know it is a >challenge to provide a conference program of interest to a variety of members, >from the new indexer to the more experienced. But I'm hoping to see more >advanced skill-based workshops and theoretical or information science-type >programs in future conferences. I'm very hopeful! > >Janet Perlman >SOUTHWEST INDEXING > > Jessica ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:04:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Re: Big city meetings In-Reply-To: <199809171844.OAA09082@mail2.javanet.com> FWIW, I happen to like meeting in a variety of locales. I've been to enough meetings in NYC, Chicago, and a few other big cities to last me a lifetime. Jessica Milstead At 02:16 PM 9/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-09-17 08:59:57 EDT, you write: > ><< an ASI meeting in Winston-Salem just > wasn't close enough! >> > >The board voted to go to North Carolina because of its proximity not only to >members in the southern states, but also because it was within not- >unreasonable driving distance of the Washington, D.C. area. Facilities in the >Research Triangle ciities (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) did not meet ASI >specifications. Alternatives with good airline service were Charlotte, >Greensboro and Winston-Salem. Winston-Salem seemed a more attractive place to >visit. Turn-out for that meeting was the highest up to that time. > >Seattle did attract more members, but we were unable to meet our minimum hotel >room requirement. > >Someone suggested meeting only in New York City and Chicago. Are the numerous >indexers on the west coast willing to be stuck with the transcontinental >airfares as well as high hotel rates year after year? > >Do most indexers work for publishers in those cities? In 30 years I have >indexed only one book from a NYC publisher and none from Chicago. Am I an >unusual exception? > >D. Advocate >aka Jeanne Moody > >Jeanne Moody > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:09:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Re: Big city meetings In-Reply-To: <199809171902.PAA28507@mail2.javanet.com> Now that's one I'd make it a point to get to! Jessica At 03:01 PM 9/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >I vote for Puerto Rico! >It is surprising how inexpensive it is and everyone wants to go there. >Nell > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:09:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Mouse Issue Martha wrote: > I'm having a problem with my mouse. Several otherwise sharp repair people > say, essentially, that the problem is in my head. (friendly snip) > Does ANYONE have an explanation/solution to this? Or at least some new > cuss words? I understand that Arabic is particularly effective for cursing in. Anyone know any? Kara Pekar ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:34:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Digest You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF INDEX-L" command to LISTSERV@BINGVMB.BITNET (or LISTSERV@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU). You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. If you do not trust the system, send a "SET INDEX-L REPRO" command and LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages, so that you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is getting annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from INDEX-L. If you send a "SET INDEX-L ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET INDEX-L NOACK NOREPRO". > -----Original Message----- > From: Nan Badgett [SMTP:NBadgett@COMPUSERVE.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Digest > > Can someone please give me the command to discontinue digest? All my > Index-L instructions are on my old computer whose hard drive recently > crashed. And I can't remember the command to get another instruction > sheet! > > I would appreciate a private response so I can change my settings today. > Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:33:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Erika Millen Subject: Re: Conference program emphasis Jessica Milstead writes: << I want to say "me too" to Janet's remark about the need for a continuing education emphasis. When I open a conference program and see that it is almost exclusively about "how to start your business" and "basic problems of indexing" I am not motivated to attend. >> A continuing education emphasis would also appeal to staff indexers, who don't really need to network with publishers or to market their services. Erika Millen Indianapolis ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:10:38 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen Schinske Subject: re Zip Drives indexer@INETCOM.NET (Kevin Mulrooney) wrote: <> The only thing I can contribute is that I get a similar message quite often when I try to delete or rename files I've downloaded. Usually after a few days this goes away and I can delete the file. Otherwise my hard drive would be even more loaded with old Index-L (and other listserv) digests than it already is! I'm also using Windows 3.1. Sometimes I get the message that the file is being used by "another user." I suspect this is some quite ordinary bug, but it does make me feel as though I were on an invisible network, with spies plugged in at every turn! If it's a virus, I'd like to know about it. Helen Schinske HSchinske@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:14:27 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: re Zip Drives Is Index-L a popular software for indexers? > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Schinske [SMTP:HSchinske@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 5:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: re Zip Drives > > indexer@INETCOM.NET (Kevin Mulrooney) wrote: > > < the > same problem. When loading onto a new or reformatted blank disk, it loads > about 10 megs and then says > "file can't be copied; check if disk is full or write-protected". It > doesn't happen all the time, but I would say most of the time. I got > nowhere from the manual (what manual you say!) and support from Iomega is > nonexistent as far as I could tell (I guess that's how they keep it so > darn > cheap) so I'm gonna try bouncing it off the Index-Lers. I have easily a > half a dozen disks with only 10 megs on each! I read somewhere they may > even be a virus that produces a similar phenomenon.>> > > The only thing I can contribute is that I get a similar message quite > often > when I try to delete or rename files I've downloaded. Usually after a few > days > this goes away and I can delete the file. Otherwise my hard drive would be > even more loaded with old Index-L (and other listserv) digests than it > already > is! I'm also using Windows 3.1. Sometimes I get the message that the file > is > being used by "another user." I suspect this is some quite ordinary bug, > but > it does make me feel as though I were on an invisible network, with spies > plugged in at every turn! If it's a virus, I'd like to know about it. > > Helen Schinske > HSchinske@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:04:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverly Schane Subject: Re: Digest Hi! I just got done doing this myself. I had a heck of a time. I wanted to discontinue the digest mainly because some of the files weren't readable--gobbledigook! I was wondering if you had the same problem. First, I tried to discontinue digest. I'm not exactly sure what command I used, but I happened to retrieve this one from old mail I've sent: set index-l nodigest. You could try that and see if it works. I ended up having to sign off from the list and then come back on. I also had a slight problem with that. I got signed back on finally, was on for one or two days, and then it decided to cancel by subscription again. So I missed another day's conversation. I'm back on now with no problems. Good luck. Let me know how it works out for you. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:25:50 -0400 Reply-To: leditor@frontiernet.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "larry e. edmonson" Subject: Re: Conference program emphasis Jessica Milstead, as always, made an excellent point when she said wrote: > > Programs for beginners are important, but so are programs for those who > have been around for awhile. > Fortunately, this is not an "either or" situation and there is (or should be) room for both types of programs. One thing that might improve programs for more experienced indexers is sometimes to approach (sorry, new OED) issues by using a panel of speakers so that the issues are addressed by speakers specializing in a variety of areas. Techniques appropriate for academic tomes, for example, can sometimes be the "kiss of death" for indexers of computer manuals, online and CD-ROM works, legal publications, etc. I doubt that this is only my personal perception since I have from time to time heard untoward sniggers and snide comments which would indicate otherwise. We might all more readily become better indexers with some occasional interdisciplinary cross-pollination. All too often indexing presentations remind me of a law school study I undertook on the methods used by the ten largest U.S. banks to finance borrower's foreign subsidiaries. Not only did no two banks follow the same path, each bank assumed that its approach was the only businesslike and lawful way to do things. I got the feeling that senior management of Bank A never had lunch with their counterparts in Bank B which was right across the street. Many of these banks have since been gobbled up by entities with a less parochial view. Larry Edmonson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:40:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Patton Subject: reading the junk mail Well, generally I don't -- but this one was from the Bowker Co. and it might just be a plug for the new edition of the LMP. And it was. The usual glossy piece (declaring "Updated New Edition!") has lots of lists to show "What a DIFFERENCE a NEW LMP makes!" So I read the lists. On the inside under "Satisfaction Guaranteed!" was this entry: "Get an outside indexer to tackle that 1,000 page monograph" What a nice thing to see -- the industry recognizes our talents. I use the LMP regularly, so it was great to see this plug for us. (And to whom it may concern: please note my new email address below.) Deborah ============================== Deborah E. Patton, Freelance Indexer Baltimore, MD, USA 410/243-4688 deborahpatton@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:13:31 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debra Lindblom Subject: Re: contacting publishers In a message dated 9/17/98 12:33:56 PM EST, mksmith1@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << I honestly don't know whether there's an equivalent volume published in the U.K., >> There is also an International Literary Marketplace volume. Debbie Lindblom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:09:10 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Mouse Issue >Martha wrote: >> I'm having a problem with my mouse. Several otherwise sharp repair >people say, essentially, that the problem is in my head. >(friendly snip) >> Does ANYONE have an explanation/solution to this? Or at least some new >> cuss words? Then Kara wrote >I understand that Arabic is particularly effective for cursing in. >Anyone know any? LOL, Kara! My husband and I are reading the series of Egyptian murder mysteries by Elizabeth Peters (her pen name - in real life she has a PhD in Egyptology from U of Chicago, and lives in Frederick, Maryland) Her main character's husband, the Father of Curses, would confirm your observation. Now, to *find* those actual words - Martha, BWI greatly cheered up by this note and by the off-list help I'm getting. What a great bunch this is! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:44:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Fall Meeting, ASI South Central Chapter Hello everyone, The South Central Chapter of the American Society of Indexers is pleased to announce our Fall meeting featuring a hands-on workshop by Frances Lennie of Indexing Research, developer of CINDEX indexing software. All interested persons are welcome. Details follow. Mike Rossa, President-elect/Program Chair Book Antiqua Book AntiquaDATE: October 24, 1998 LOCATION: Briscoe Library, University of Texas Health Science Center, Room 2A, 7703 Floyd Curl Dr., San Antonio, TX 78284. out,out,outSCHEDULE: 8:30 A.M. - 9:00 A.M. Networking (Refreshments Included) 9:00 A.M. - 12:00 P.M. CINDEX Demonstration/Workshop--Frances Lennie, of Indexing Research, will lead a hands-on workshop to demonstrate the features of CINDEX indexing software and the benefits of computer-assisted indexing. 12:00 P.M. - 1:00 P.M. Catered Luncheon 1:00 P.M. - 2:00 P.M. Questions/Comments on Morning Workshop 2:00 P.M. - 3:30 P.M. Marketing Panel Discussion-Joanne Clendenen and Michael K. Smith Everything we need to know about marketing from these two pros. 3:30 P.M. - 4:30 P.M. South Central Chapter Business Meeting right,right,left ,leftAbout the workshop, Frances said: "We will get acquainted with the general operation of CINDEX for Windows, and follow the progression of an index from start to finish. Special emphasis will be placed on data entry shortcuts, editing techniques (including pattern matching and logical [Boolean] operators), and the preparation of the finished file for your client. We will also explore working with multiple files open, and the issues to be considered when working with large files, revisions, and cumulations." left,leftBook Antiqua Book Antiqua COST: Before Oct. 19: $40.00 (ASI member) $45.00 (non-member) After Oct. 19: $50.00 (ASI member) $55.00 (non-member) Registration includes the demonstration/workshop and follow-up, marketing panel, and a catered lunch, plus morning and afternoon refreshments. Please make checks payable to "South Central Chapter of ASI" and return to: Laura Rustin 9731 Greenwillow Houston, TX 77096 (713) 728-4473 LODGING: Several hotels are available in the Medical Center area. Here are a few recommendations: Best Western Oak Hills, 7401 Wurzbach, (210) 614-9900 Courtyard by Marriott, 8585 Marriott Dr., (off Fredericksburg Rd. between Wurzbach and Medical Dr.), (210) 614-7100 Hawthorn Suites Hotel, 4041 Bluemel (I-10 at Wurzbach), (210) 561-9660 Holiday Inn Express, I-10 at Wurzbach, (210) 561-9300 Omni Hotel, 9821 Colonnade (in the Colonnade; has a great Sunday brunch), (I-10 at Wurzbach), (210) 961-8888 Guesthouse Inn, 7500 Louis Pasteur, (right behind the Health Science Center; walk to the meeting), (210) 616-0030 GETTING THERE: If you are flying, the airport is about 15-20 minutes from the Health Science Center and one-way taxi fare is about $15.00. If you are driving, go into the Health Science Center using the entrance off Floyd Curl (Methodist Hospital is across the street). Parking is free; use the lot directly in front of the Briscoe Library. QUESTIONS: For directions or more information please contact Mike Rossa via e-mail at rossa@flash.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:55:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Subject: Zip drive question I experienced the same problem as Kevin Mulrooney, of a Zip disk refusing to load more than about 10 meg of data. After many hours of fiddling around, it dawned on me that there might be a restriction of the number of items that you can link to the disk's root directory. Sure enough -- as soon as I set up a couple of subdirectories, I was able fill the disk with data, by loading files into the subdirectories instead of the root directory. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:04:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Subject: Comparative review of Cindex and SkyIndex In the latest issue of the "Australian Society for Indexers Newsletter" (September 1998) appears a comprehensive review comparing CINDEX for Windows 1.0 and SKY Index 5.1 (Professional edition). The review has been loaded onto the society's Web page at www.zeta.org.au/~aussi. (I apologise for the fact that I have already mentioned this fact on this list, but the fact I appended it to a posting on a different subject may have led some readers to overlook it.) Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:14:22 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: Big city meetings Just to show how hard it is for the conference planners to keep everybody happy: The few of us who are salaried indexers working in government jobs usually try to get our employers to foot the bill for conference attendance. The people who have to approve those requests look at a venue like Puerto Rico and think: Junket. In fact, any place that looks like it might be as much fun as work is frowned on. Unfortunately for us, stereotypes count in that game. I am perfectly confident that a conference in Indianapolis will be both worthwhile and enjoyable. I'm also glad that people don't generally think of Indy as Fun City because that means my trip is more likely to be approved. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:19:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Big city meetings Well, do you monitor the "junkets" of your elected officials, who spend your tax money freely on lotsa "glamorous" trips? It's ashame. > -----Original Message----- > From: Maryann Corbett [SMTP:maryann.corbett@REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Big city meetings > > Just to show how hard it is for the conference planners to keep > everybody happy: > > The few of us who are salaried indexers working in government jobs > usually try to get our employers to foot the bill for conference > attendance. The people who have to approve those requests look at a > venue like Puerto Rico and think: Junket. In fact, any place that looks > like it might be as much fun as work is frowned on. Unfortunately for > us, stereotypes count in that game. > > I am perfectly confident that a conference in Indianapolis will be both > worthwhile and enjoyable. I'm also glad that people don't generally > think of Indy as Fun City because that means my trip is more likely to > be approved. > > > -- > Maryann Corbett > Language Specialist > Office of the Revisor of Statutes > Minnesota Legislature > 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:36:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: Zip drive question I believe the limit is 256 items, whether files or subdirectories. Iris Ailin-Pyzik Michael Wyatt wrote: > I experienced the same problem as Kevin Mulrooney, of a Zip disk refusing to > load more than about 10 meg of data. After many hours of fiddling around, it > dawned on me that there might be a restriction of the number of items that > you can link to the disk's root directory. Sure enough -- as soon as I set > up a couple of subdirectories, I was able fill the disk with data, by > loading files into the subdirectories instead of the root directory. > > Michael Wyatt > Keyword Editorial Services > 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 > Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:37:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: Zip drive question I believe the limit is 256 items in the root directory, whether files or subdirectories. Iris Ailin-Pyzik Michael Wyatt wrote: > I experienced the same problem as Kevin Mulrooney, of a Zip disk refusing to > load more than about 10 meg of data. After many hours of fiddling around, it > dawned on me that there might be a restriction of the number of items that > you can link to the disk's root directory. Sure enough -- as soon as I set > up a couple of subdirectories, I was able fill the disk with data, by > loading files into the subdirectories instead of the root directory. > > Michael Wyatt > Keyword Editorial Services > 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 > Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:00:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Letter from the President Lori Lathrop, President of ASI, has posted another in her series of "Letters from the President" on the ASI Web page. Topics include: sites of future conferences, fillling a board vacancy, and chapter relations. Please feel free to check it out and offer feedback to Lori or to any board member. The URL is: http://www.asindexing.org/pres10.htm Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MAREA Subject: what is CBE Hi- Can anyone tell me what CBE stands for? I think it is a style guide. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:37:41 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: what is CBE Marea: CBE is Computer-based education (among other acronyms). rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:43:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Duhon Subject: Re: what is CBE In-Reply-To: <199809181540.KAA28291@indiana.edu> On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Robert A. Saigh wrote: > Marea: > > CBE is Computer-based education (among other acronyms). > > rob > fugleman@mindspring.com > I think in this case it may be Council of Biology Editors. Susan ______________________________________________________________ Susan T. Duhon Indiana University Axolotl Colony Phone 812-855-8260 Jordan Hall 407 Fax 812-855-6705 Bloomington, IN 47405 USA email duhon@indiana.edu http://www.indiana.edu/~axolotl/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:45:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Zip Drive question, thanks I have confirmed that Michael Wyatt's suggestion about distributing the files to directories is the solution to my problem! Not only has he solved my problem but confirmed my nonsanity, at least in this instance! However the number appears to be not 256 but about 500 separate files, 510 to be exact, at least in my case, that can be stored in the root directory. Thanks also to Michael Rossa for pointing out the Click of Death page at http://grc.com/clickdeath.htm This talks about a hardware problem that Iomega has pledged to rectify by replacement even for drives out of warranty, and provides a free piece of software that can test your Zip to see if it has the "click" problem. I had apparently heard about this and misunderstood it to refer to a virus. It is _not_ a virus problem; it is related to a mechanical problem with the drive's head, thus the "click". So I wanted to clear up any concern that there may be a virus problem inherent to Zip drives. I love my little Zip and now I love it a whole bunch more!!!!!!! Many Thanks! Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:55:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Mesner Subject: Re: what is CBE In-Reply-To: <199809181535.LAA26802@smtp.uky.edu> If it's the CBE I've worked with, it is the style manual for the Council of Biology Editors, Committee on Form and Style. It's official title is **CBE style manual. Lil Mesner At 11:22 AM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi- > >Can anyone tell me what CBE stands for? I think it is a style guide. > >Thanks! > > Lillian R. Mesner Lexington, KY 40506-0456 Serials Department Phone: 606-257-0500 Ext. 2130 William T. Young Library Fax: 606-257-8379 University of Kentucky Email: lmesner@pop.uky.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:58:47 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: ASI board I just checked Lori Lathrop's latest posting on the Web site. Indeed, yet another board member has resigned. He makes number 6 out of the 11 who comprised the board after the Seattle conference. Interesting, eh? Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:18:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead Subject: Re: ASI board In-Reply-To: <199809181802.OAA16540@mail2.javanet.com> Perhaps you forgot that Index-l is a public listserv. Let's keep ASI's problems within ASI. Jessica Milstead At 01:58 PM 9/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >I just checked Lori Lathrop's latest posting on the Web site. Indeed, yet >another board member has resigned. He makes number 6 out of the 11 who >comprised the board after the Seattle conference. > >Interesting, eh? > >Margie Towery >Towery Indexing Service > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:35:05 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pamela Venneman Subject: Re: ASI board In a message dated 9/18/98 2:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, milstead@MAIL1.NAI.NET writes: > Perhaps you forgot that Index-l is a public listserv. Let's keep ASI's > problems within ASI. > > Jessica Milstead > And how, if not through Index-L, can we do this? Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:12:14 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: Re: contacting publishers >From Christine Headley Sandra Shotter wrote > Here comes my first "dumb" question! Not at all 'dumb'. When writing to publishers = >telling them of my availibility, to whom do I address the letter? I am = >afraid that if I simply write to "The Editor", my letter will get lost = >somewhere along the way or simply disregarded. In some earlier postings = >several of you in the US wrote that you phone the publishers first to = >get the name of the person you need to contact. I would like to know if = >the same method is used in the UK. I know that we tend to be a bit more = >formal here. I am in the process of relaunching myself in the UK after eighteen months abroad. I have already rung all the publishers who used to ask me to do indexes for them, to confirm that my main editors are still there, and that the office is still at the same address. (Even the most recent 'Writers and Artists Yearbook' or 'Writers Handbook' is bound to be a little out of date by the time it hits the bookshops, and the situation gets worse as the year goes on.) They have now received postcards of Hong Kong to tell them that I'm back! I plan to write to them soon with an updated CV. My next task - once I have abandoned rearrangement of furniture and unpacking of boxes - will be to go back to the 'Writers Handbook' (which lists commissioning editors, which is to a certain extent helpful), find some other firms that publish the sort of books I index and have a chat with their receptionists, before sending off that finely-tuned letter. Best Christine Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:59:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett Subject: Arizona Program for New Indexers The Arizona chapter of the American Society of Indexers is proud to announce our next program: So You Want To Be An Indexer? If you've ever considered professional indexing as a career, this workshop is for you. Whether you are ready to launch a freelance business, are interested in moonlighting, or are simply curious, this workshop will answer many of the common questions asked about indexers and indexing. Topics include: * Educational and networking resources. Find out where you can learn to index and where to connect with other professionals. * Starting your indexing business. In addition to writing indexes, you'll have to run a business if you work on your own. Find out what you need to get started. * Using the library as a resource. Your public library offers a wealth of information to help with running a small business, marketing your services, and creating useful indexes. You'll learn about resources you might not know exist! * Software demonstrations. Professional indexers rely on dedicated indexing software. Get an overview of the most popular packages and find out where you can buy them. * An indexing FAQ. A panel of indexers representing the variety of opportunity in the profession will share some of their experience and answer your questions. November 7, 1998 8:30 - 9:00 Registration and networking 9:00 - 1:00 Presentations Location: Arizona State University Tempe, Arizona Memorial Union - Turquoise Room Cost: $20.00 for ASI members and non-members (includes all workshop materials and refreshments) Please visit our web site for a registration form: http://aztec.asu.edu/azasi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:50:12 +0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: Zip Drive question, thanks In-Reply-To: > Thanks also to Michael Rossa for pointing out the Click of Death > page at http://grc.com/clickdeath.htm This talks about a hardware > problem that Iomega has pledged to rectify by replacement even for > drives out of warranty... Good news indeed! It is worth checking out the Web site for more details, especially the linked page http://grc.com/codfaq5.htm Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:05:48 -0700 Reply-To: jlee@dbic.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: ASI board Jessica, I think a message pointing to the web page for details is a proper use of Index-L. Jeri Lee Jessica Milstead wrote: > Perhaps you forgot that Index-l is a public listserv. Let's keep ASI's > problems within ASI. > > Jessica Milstead > > At 01:58 PM 9/18/98 EDT, you wrote: > >I just checked Lori Lathrop's latest posting on the Web site. Indeed, yet > >another board member has resigned. He makes number 6 out of the 11 who > >comprised the board after the Seattle conference. > > > >Interesting, eh? > > > >Margie Towery > >Towery Indexing Service > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:11:12 -0700 Reply-To: st077@csufresno.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sabahudin tricic Subject: Re: Big city meetings Hello everybody! Does anybody know if Southern California chapter will have a workshop tommorow in Santa Barbara and where? Only thing that they have on ASI page is for workshop in October. Layla Tricic ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:12:50 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: ASI board Index-l is in fact the only open day-to-day forum where we can discuss such matters, as others on this listserv have pointed out in the past and as Pam Venneman pointed out again today. Certainly we can discuss (and should be discussing) such matters at chapter meetings, too. I might also point out that ASI is not a private company. Members have a right to know what is going on and could in fact request copies of any of their society's records. Secrecy does a great disservice to members who care about their professional organization. Until ASI members have some interactive means on ASI's Web site, I see no problem with posting information here. Indeed, Dick Evans kindly posted in this forum a note that prompted me to look at ASI's Web site in the first place, so clearly the ASI board still sees Index-l as a forum where many must be interested in the society's doings, albeit a forum that does not include all ASI members. Moreover, as suggested by others in the past, I put ASI in the subject line so that those who are uninterested in such matters may simply hit the delete button. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:24:40 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joy Thomas Subject: santa Barbara The Southern California Chapter's Santa Barbara workshop was held July 25. Hope to see you at the October 3 meeting in Claremont. -- Joy Thomas Social Sciences Librarian California State University, Long Beach 562 985-7817 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:00:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: ASI roundtable mail list Sounds like the virtual roundtable is the perfect forum for discussing a 55% attrition rate among board members in the last 4 months. Remember the mailing list is compiled and waiting. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com (central receiving for VR) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:41:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list May I shed a perspective on the "attrition" situation among ASI Board members? Our organization has undergone tremendous change recently, as has indexing. Our membership doubled within a period of a few years (from about 600-700 to 1,400 at its height a year or so ago); our ways of communicating changed radically with the advent of the Internet and online services; and the idea of home-based businesses came into vogue, with corporate downsizings. Money magazine even had an article featuring an indexer who earned a good living as a freelancer (was it about $40,000). All of this placed tremendous demands on a very small organization used to being managed in a fairly closed and slow fashion. It kind of plodded along, in its own small world, not visible to many. All of a sudden ASI grew, people wanted things right away, communications to the office doubled and tripled, online scrutiny and discussion were here, and the strain began to show, in the form of administrative problems. Suddenly we couldn't keep up. I see the current "attrition" as a reaction to how much the Board is trying to do right now, this year, as the need for change in ASI has "hit the fan", and as the Board tries to sort out its priorities and ASI's priorities. The task is huge. It demands a tremendous amount of effort from every Board member. And that is because the Board is trying to cope with the need to change, to change a lot within ASI, and to change quickly. Board members who are well intentioned find they simply can't keep up. These are not easy times to be on the Board. How do I know? I was the first person who resigned from the Board, because I found I had to make a choice between my Board duties and continuing to run a busy indexing business. I simply couldn't do both and maintain my health. I chose to step down from the Board. I am still involved in ASI, on a local level, and on one committee. But I had to backtrack and remove myself from the Board, as I couldn't keep up with my workload AND be on the Board. ASI has my full support. Before you all start poking away at the Board, again because somebody resigned ............ would you be able to spend 5-10 hours a week on Board business in an organization? I wouldn't be surprised if it took that, what with email, Index-L to monitor and respond to, and the decision-making needed to forge forward with change. Ask yourself this. Because every one of our Board members is doing that, and it is a daunting amount of work on top of earning a living! So don't make more of it than there is. ASI Board participation is a BIG job. Try it out, and you'll see that it can "get" the best of us. Give this Board your support and leave it in peace to do its work. It's difficult enough as it is! Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING Phoenix, Arizona ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:27:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kim Schroeder Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list Janet- Thanks for the astute communication on the Board strain. Anyone who ever worked in an office understands the undue stress that people cause when they "read" into things. I have found that asking people straight out is usually more effective and productive and I tip my hat at your honesty. I would love to help the Board out as our profession IS booming, but I have worried about whether I could commit that time. Perhaps, the Board could further break up some of its tasks and have some of us research problems or topics and then the Board could spend time making decisions based on the data. Does anyone else have suggestions as to how we can ease the pressures on the Board? Kim Schroeder Archive Impact www.archiveimpact.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:40:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list I agree with Kim in regards to the idea of the Board delegating more responsibilities to others. For example, the Secretary perhaps could have two assistant secretaries, each with their own assigned duties. The same would apply to other board members. This would surely help to ease the load and at the same time not loose all control of what is going on. Kevin A. Broccoli ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:29:58 -0700 Reply-To: Elinor Lindheimer Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list Thanks to Janet for illuminating the time pressures on board members, and Kim, and Kevin for their positive and open-minded willingness to seek solutions. I can second what Janet said, and it does indeed take 5 to 10 hours a week, or even longer. You may remember the recent post by Barbara Cohen on the thousands of publicity mailings she and just one other person prepared and sent out, and they also did countless hours of research on finding venues for publicity. I don't know anyone who served on the board whose business was not seriously curtailed during their time of service--and that means serious loss of income. Employed people, such as faculty members or legislative indexers, may have an easier time if--and that's a big if--their employers support their work for ASI by allowing them time to do it during their regular work hours. But I suspect that even those lucky people find themselves swamped and overwhelmed. And serving ASI can be a thankless task, where no matter how much you do, it is never enough. It is discouraging to have negativity cloud your volunteer activities. I will repeat my regular soapbox remarks: Get active in your local chapter, help where needed, and grow in leadership and wisdom. ASI needs you, and your local chapter is the place to start getting experience in the organization. And don't worry about the negativity I've been mentioning. Create your own positive energy instead. Elinor Lindheimer Past President, Golden Gate Chapter Past President, ASI ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:28:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "William G. Meisheid" Subject: Re: Zip drive question Michael, et al. The problem with the computer system accepting only a limited number of files in the root directory applies universally, which means it affects your hard drives and the floppy drive as well your zip drives. You should make it a habit to clear out unnecessary files in the root directories of your hard drive and only store system files in those locations. Just a little advice from the rim... ________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum Sysop & Microsoft MVP Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com Sageline Publishing 410.465.2040 Fax: 410.465.1812 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com Baltimore/Washington area RoboHELP training ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:00:06 +0200 Reply-To: maddox@iafrica.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah Maddox Subject: Adobe Acrobat (PDF) If anyone has experience with indexing in Adobe Acrobat (PDF) files, I'd be very grateful for any advice on the following: I have created the index to a book which is published annually. Now the publisher is going to produce the book on CD Rom as well as in printed form. For the CD Rom, I need to convert the index to an interactive (clickable) index. So instead of page numbers, each index-entry would simply be a line of text, which the user can click on to jump to the relevant document/page-number combination. The publisher plans to use Adobe Acrobat as the authoring tool. The index is currently in Macrex. So I can produce it in just about any electronic format (text, rtf, etc.) Each chapter in the book is indexed as a separate volume-number. (This was necessary to re-produce the index each year with different page numbers. Now will be useful, as it is probably a good idea to have each chapter in a separate PDF file.) Is there any way of automatically converting the volume/page-numbers in the index, to document/page-numbers in PDF, and inserting whatever codes are needed to create the link? Has anyone come across such a utility, or have any ideas about automatic link-creation in Adobe Acrobat? Many thanks for any hints or pointers. Sarah Maddox http://users.iafrica.com/m/ma/maddox ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:18:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list Thanks to Janet for her response on being an ASI board member. Just to clarify, though, when I was on the board, I was spending 15-20 hours a week on board business and keeping up with my full-time (and then some) schedule as an indexer. But time pressures were NOT the reason I resigned from the board. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:56:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ernarosa G Tominich Subject: Re: an update/indexing disaster Hello everyone, I just joined this list as part of my studies in indexing class for the MLS. I would appreciate if someone would repost the original Indexing/disaster post so I could learn from it. Thank You. Erna --------------------------------------- Ernarosa Tominich Box119 SUNY Buffalo, SILS ========================================== On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Rumper, Gail J wrote: > Hello everyone, > > After my last post describing my first indexing > experience/disaster, someone suggested that I post a > description of the project so that other indexers would be > informed and could avoid any association with it should the > author contact them. I can understand how this might be > helpful so if anyone is interested in further details about > the project or the author you may contact me off-list and I > will do my best to answer any questions you may have. > > Regards, > Gail > > -- > rumpergj@jmu.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sloan Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list In-Reply-To: <199809191420.HAA02624@ixmail7.ix.netcom.com> At 10:18 AM 9/19/98 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks to Janet for her response on being an ASI board member. Just to >clarify, though, when I was on the board, I was spending 15-20 hours a week >on board business and keeping up with my full-time (and then some) schedule as >an indexer. But time pressures were NOT the reason I resigned from the board. > >Margie Towery >Towery Indexing Service > Given the amount of time ASI Board members work on ASI matters, perhaps a larger Board may help distribute the work load better. Maybe a few new positions for the new types of work being done. Committees shouldn't be too big as managing them begins to get harder. A small committee can get more done than a large one ( no more than 5-6 members). I heard once, the ideal committee is a committee of one (grin). BTW, the Publishers Marketing Association (PMA) responded to my query regarding printing an article on indexes in their newsletter. They said "Yes" so I'm starting to work on it. And yes, I will mention ASI. They represent quite a number of small and alternative presses in the U.S.. Their web site is at http://www.pma-online.org Linda Kenny Sloan indexer@ix.netcom.com ******************************************* Information Universe Editorial services for the aerospace and astronomy communities http://informationuniverse.com ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:54:58 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (PDF) In-Reply-To: <199809191403.KAA21554@camel10.mindspring.com> What are the documents themselves created in? If they are in Frame or PageMaker, you can embed the codes for your index into the files, have the software generate the index, and then when converted into pdf, it will automatically be clickable and hyperactive. If your documents are not in either of those tools, you must manually link each page number in your macrex generated file to the appropriate page in Acrobat after distillation. I haven't found any way around that, and have not seen any tools that automatically do it. I would suggest you work with the producers to convince them to embed and use PageMaker or Frame for their original documents, especially if this work is going to be updated on a regular basis. It will save them a ton of time in future editions. This edition will be slow and painful, getting the codes in, but next editions will be easy. Jan Wright At 04:00 PM 9/19/98 +0200, you wrote: >If anyone has experience with indexing in Adobe Acrobat (PDF) files, I'd >be very grateful for any advice on the following: > >I have created the index to a book which is published annually. Now the >publisher is going to produce the book on CD Rom as well as in printed >form. For the CD Rom, I need to convert the index to an interactive >(clickable) index. So instead of page numbers, each index-entry would >simply be a line of text, which the user can click on to jump to the >relevant document/page-number combination. The publisher plans to use >Adobe Acrobat as the authoring tool. > >The index is currently in Macrex. So I can produce it in just about any >electronic format (text, rtf, etc.) >Each chapter in the book is indexed as a separate volume-number. (This >was necessary to re-produce the index each year with different page >numbers. Now will be useful, as it is probably a good idea to have each >chapter in a separate PDF file.) > >Is there any way of automatically converting the volume/page-numbers in >the index, to document/page-numbers in PDF, and inserting whatever codes >are needed to create the link? Has anyone come across such a utility, or >have any ideas about automatic link-creation in Adobe Acrobat? > >Many thanks for any hints or pointers. >Sarah Maddox >http://users.iafrica.com/m/ma/maddox > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:09:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverly Schane Subject: Re: ASI roundtable mail list I'm from the Tampa Bay Area in Florida. I was surprised to see the numbers for members of ASI and its growth. I may be interested in getting involved and helping out, but as far as I know, there is no active local chapter here. With the number of indexers out there, I'm wondering why there's nothing going on here. Would anyone happen to know? Beverly ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:15:43 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Fwd: Fixing ASI This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906254144_boundary Content-ID: <0_906254144@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII (Ooops, I sent this to Elinor instead of to the whole list. The reverse of the usual problem....) --part0_906254144_boundary Content-ID: <0_906254144@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: BECohen653@aol.com Return-path: To: elinorl@mcn.org Subject: Re: Fixing ASI Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:14:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In my opinion, ASI will continue to have problems until we have a clear strategic plan for future activities, growth, budgets, management, task division, and so forth. One of the biggest problems in ASI involves continuity between Boards, when our presidents serve a single year. In addition, we tend to have a lot of committees of one or two people, because it is hard to meet and make decisions over long distances. I also wonder when we are going to stop "using up" the vice president on conference planning and change that to an ongoing committee system, so that the incoming president has a lieutenant (the vp) who is free to help. And then the vp would get a year of committee involvement rather than a year of conference planning (which is important, but not so important that a committee couldn't do this just as well). The president needs an assistant, but under the current system, he or she doesn't have one. Also, the vp loses a year of valuable commitment to the running of the organization. By the time the vp is about to breathe after the conference, he or she gets the gavel and must take up the reins of office. In my opinion, this system is designed to guarantee that the vp feels burned out even before getting to the point of running the organization, so that by the time they get to their "immediate past pres" year, we lose them as active officers. If you look back over the last 5-7 years, you will see that this pattern is firmly entrenched in ASI. It certainly was evident in my first year on the Board (1993, I think) and pretty much has been the case ever since. Maybe it was always so. But we've never done anything to rectify the situation. (I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here--see my comments below about how I think this is not the fault of the individuals who serve in this role.) So, our problems have nothing to do with who serves or for how long. It has to do with trying to manage an organization with a poorly developed organizational structure, without good long-term planning documents to guide the incoming officers, and with too many tasks heaped on too few people. (I would also like to point out that even when the Board gets a limited-scope planning document, there is little mandate to continue to use it. This was certainly true for my 1995-2000 Publicity Initiative, which managed to survive about 5 minutes after I turned over the reins of the publicity committee. The incoming publicity chairs have contacted me to say how useful they find it, but in point of fact, the Board voted in 1995 to implement it, and this has not been done consistently, for one reason or another. Recalling Jeanne Moody's comments earlier this week wondering whether any publicity ever got done, I suspect that most ASI members don't even know that we paid good money to have a planning document drafted, put the initiative in place, then failed to fund it when it appeared that I was being "too successful" and the admin office couldn't keep up with the demand for information. I was simply told to stop sending out so many brochures because we couldn't handle the flood of information. The situation appears to have gotten worse, alleviated only slightly by the availability of information at the Web site rather than from the admin office.) No one could do a good job under these circumstances. The resignations don't amount to a lot of individual "failures"; they are the inevitable result of common sense being practiced by a lot of good volunteers trying to do a lot of poorly defined jobs. We would get a lot further in these discussions if we would shift the focus from "why did X resign?" to "how can we revamp ASI so that everyone can work better?" None of this by way of criticism of the original developers of the ASI structure. But what work in 1985 for 500 members, mostly in NYC, just doesn't work for a national (international!) organization of 1,500 partially electronically linked indexers in a number of industries, in-house and freelance, part-time and full-time, and so forth. The structure of the organization doesn't work at the moment. Plain and simple. That isn't anyone's fault. The question is: how can we fix it? What should ASI be in the next millennium? In my opinion, it's time that 5- and 10-year strategic planning become a priority of the ASI Board, before it raises dues, changes tactics for annual conferences, offers new benefits, gets rid of old benefits, restructures the budget, or applies any other band-aid therapy. Until I know what I am paying for, I'm loathe to continue to fund the present organization. I think others are starting to feel the same. Let's get behind some real planning and change what's wrong. It isn't the people, as we all know. So let's stop focusing on that. I'm climbing down from the soapbox for the moment, but I'm sure it won't be the last time I feel inclined to climb up it. Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN --part0_906254144_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:08:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Valarie G. Gill" Subject: Re: indexing archival/historical materials In-Reply-To: <199809200116.VAA19881@mailbox.syr.edu> Hello everyone: I am doing some research into the history of indexing archival/historical materials. Does anyone have suggestions of possible sources both print and electronic where this subject is covered? Thanks for the tips. Valarie Gill vggill@mailbox.syr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:47:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: EMERGENCY situation I've just received the first 3 chapters of a book that I feel is way over my head in subject matter. (Details to follow in a sec.) I need to find someone to pass this job to TODAY so I can call the guy tomorrow with another indexer for him. Here's the specs on the book. It's a religious text of approx. 350 pages by mutltiple authors on a subject that I can't really even define. I believe it is a collection of papers presented at a convention or whatever you call a gathering of religious scholars. The topic is mysticism, and is probably fascinating. There are numbers of foreign words in Hebrew, Danish, Arabic, and others I can't identify, and I have been given fonts to use to type these words in. I don't know if the fonts will be of any use to someone who doesn't have a Mac you would probably have to figure something out with the publisher. However, the book in done in Quark which has an indexing module and could be done as an embedded index which would save all the font-switching time, but I don't have Quark and can't afford to buy it on short notice for only one job, nor would I have the time to learn it. The other snag for me is that the book arrived over a month late, and has crashed into my next project which has not slipped, leaving me only 4 days to work on it, as I also have a full time job. If not for my full time job, I feel I could pull this book off, but as it is, I feel I can't do in the amount of time I've been given. It's not due until Oct. 2, which should (without a full time job and another 450 page book right behind it) normally be more than enough time. I agreed to do it for $3 page, but that was before I knew about the fonts and foreign words, etc., so it might be possible to negotiate more. The good news is the guy is very well organized and very pleasant to deal with, but this is making me feel really bad about passing this off. I just simply do not believe I can handle it in the amount of time I have. Someone else without my constraints and a better grasp of how to deal with scholarly texts should have plenty of time. OK, so DON'T reply to the list, please! Please call me direct at 802-254-7601. If I don't answer, leave a a message. I won't have gone far or for long. This is definitely not a job for an inexperienced indexer nor for someone not familiar with scholarly religious works (like me), nor for someone not very good and fast with their indexing and word processing programs. It should be good money, and you might be able to negotiate a better fee as he will be without an indexer otherwise, and the job is more involved than he originally described, but I can't promise that. However, $3/page doesn't stink too badly. Also he says there will be a lot more similar work in the future, which would be yours if you want it (I will not!). I must have at least one other person's name and number to give him by 8 a.m. tomorrow (Monday), so please call today. I hope someone can help me out of this jam. It will be to our mutual benefit. Thank you thank you in advance, and a Huge Thank You to Dick Evans for being my crisis intervention therapist last night. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:45:07 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shelby Coleman Subject: unsubscribe I would like to remove my name from your mailing list. Popo200@aol.com thank you ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:32:18 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Becky & Bob Hornyak Subject: Re: ASI Roundtable Mail List While I appreciate the offer of a virtual roundtable to address ASI issues, I am wondering if it wouldn't also be helpful for some of the roundtables at the next conference to address these issues. I am sensitive to the need for continuing education while at a conference. But it also seems that it would be a good time to get input from the membership, as this is the one time a year when a number of members are in one place. Perhaps officers/board members/committee chairs could host roundtables on various issues raised lately--dues increase, budget, role of vice president, conference planning committee, site of future conferences, how best to obtain input from the membership. I would appreciate the opportunity to be heard in such a venue. I am concerned that the people who post on Index-L, a caring and vocal group, are not always representative of the majority. Wider input was sought recently with a questionnaire on strategic planning, but the usefulness of the information obtained is related to the relevance and specificity of the questions, and the time and thought put into the responses. Having time set aside at the conference for members to give input might decrease the feeling of helplessness I have when I read the postings and don't have a clue what I can do to improve the situation. Becky Hornyak Freelance Indexer, and Secretary, Heartland Chapter bhornyak@iquest.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:43:04 +0200 Reply-To: maddox@iafrica.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah Maddox Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (PDF) Hi Jan Many thanks for your reply. The documents themselves are in Pagemaker and Quark XPress - the publisher is at the moment in transition from the first to the second, just to complicate matters ;-) So, it looks like manual processing is the way to go, for the moment anyway, unless anyone else has any ideas. Kind regards Sarah Maddox http://users.iafrica.com/m/ma/maddox Jan C. Wright wrote: > What are the documents themselves created in? If they are in Frame or > PageMaker, you can embed the codes for your index into the files, have the > software generate the index, and then when converted into pdf, it will > automatically be clickable and hyperactive. > > If your documents are not in either of those tools, you must manually link > each page number in your macrex generated file to the appropriate page in > Acrobat after distillation. I haven't found any way around that, and have > not seen any tools that automatically do it. > > I would suggest you work with the producers to convince them to embed and > use PageMaker or Frame for their original documents, especially if this > work is going to be updated on a regular basis. It will save them a ton of > time in future editions. This edition will be slow and painful, getting the > codes in, but next editions will be easy. > > Jan Wright > > At 04:00 PM 9/19/98 +0200, you wrote: > >If anyone has experience with indexing in Adobe Acrobat (PDF) files, I'd > >be very grateful for any advice on the following: > > > >I have created the index to a book which is published annually. Now the > >publisher is going to produce the book on CD Rom as well as in printed > >form. For the CD Rom, I need to convert the index to an interactive > >(clickable) index. So instead of page numbers, each index-entry would > >simply be a line of text, which the user can click on to jump to the > >relevant document/page-number combination. The publisher plans to use > >Adobe Acrobat as the authoring tool. > > > >The index is currently in Macrex. So I can produce it in just about any > >electronic format (text, rtf, etc.) > >Each chapter in the book is indexed as a separate volume-number. (This > >was necessary to re-produce the index each year with different page > >numbers. Now will be useful, as it is probably a good idea to have each > >chapter in a separate PDF file.) > > > >Is there any way of automatically converting the volume/page-numbers in > >the index, to document/page-numbers in PDF, and inserting whatever codes > >are needed to create the link? Has anyone come across such a utility, or > >have any ideas about automatic link-creation in Adobe Acrobat? > > > >Many thanks for any hints or pointers. > >Sarah Maddox > >http://users.iafrica.com/m/ma/maddox > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:36:23 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: an update/indexing disaster Could I also be included on this Indexing/disaster post? Many thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ernarosa G Tominich [SMTP:egt@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU] > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:57 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: an update/indexing disaster > > Hello everyone, > > I just joined this list as part of my studies in indexing > class for the MLS. I would appreciate if someone would repost the > original Indexing/disaster post so I could learn from it. > Thank You. > Erna > > > --------------------------------------- > Ernarosa Tominich Box119 > SUNY Buffalo, SILS > > ========================================== > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Rumper, Gail J wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > After my last post describing my first indexing > > experience/disaster, someone suggested that I post a > > description of the project so that other indexers would be > > informed and could avoid any association with it should the > > author contact them. I can understand how this might be > > helpful so if anyone is interested in further details about > > the project or the author you may contact me off-list and I > > will do my best to answer any questions you may have. > > > > Regards, > > Gail > > > > -- > > rumpergj@jmu.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:55:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: ASI roundtables I think Becky's idea of having some roundtables focused on society issues at the annual conference is terrific. That would certainly allow for some give- and-take on the problems, in addition to looking at the survey. In Seattle, we had an informal breakfast with the board, where people who got up early enough had a chance to talk to board members, but I think something a bit more structured, like roundtables or a panel, would be more useful. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:15:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Steve C Subject: Re: ASI roundtables I agree with Becky's original idea and Margie's comments below. I attended one of the breakfast roundtables at this year's conference, and I enjoyed the interaction. However, I think having an open session with some structure would work better -- and we could all hear the same information. Putting out an agenda/list of topics in advance would help, or soliciting questions in advance. STC has done an open session at the annual convention (at least, they used to), and the session usually was well attended. Using the breakfast time slot seems good. -- Steve >I think Becky's idea of having some roundtables focused on society issues at >the annual conference is terrific. That would certainly allow for some give- >and-take on the problems, in addition to looking at the survey. > >In Seattle, we had an informal breakfast with the board, where people who got >up early enough had a chance to talk to board members, but I think something a >bit more structured, like roundtables or a panel, would be more useful. > >Margie Towery >Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:41:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: e-mail addresses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BDE544.02D51DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to post this to the list, but I need e-mail addresses to the = following individuals and didn't know where else to turn: Sheryl Romeo=20 Naomi Linzer Edith Ericson Can anyone help me? Kevin A. 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Your private email address didn't get included in your post, so I'm replying to the list. Edith Ericson is President of the Wisconsin chapter; her address is eericson@agile.net. It's also posted at the ASI Web Site.

Mary Brod
Secretary, Wisconsin Chapter

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========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:23:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Subject: Re: ASI Roundtable Mail List Please see the information posted on the ASI website regarding the upcoming conference. There is a townhall meeting scheduled for Saturday morning breakfast. This is a session designed for you to meet and comment to the board. We had one in Seattle and we have one scheduled for Indianapolis. I hope that all conference attendees will take this opportunity to meet with board and other committee members. In addition, board members will be found in the hospitality suite and throughout the conference. You can recognize them by their ribbons. Please ask them your questions and better yet, volunteer to help. In addition, I am willing to discuss any problems you might have directly. Other board members welcome your comments as well. Our phone numbers and e-mail addresses are listed on the website and in KeyWords. Some of you may wonder why the board does not address the complaints posted on Index-L. At our last board meeting in May, we passed a resolution stating that Index-L was not an official response medium. It is not exclusively ASIs. Board news can be found on the website. Sandi Schroeder Schroeder Indexing Services and Vice President, American Society of Indexers ---------- : From: Becky & Bob Hornyak : To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L : Subject: Re: ASI Roundtable Mail List : Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 9:32 AM : : While I appreciate the offer of a virtual roundtable to address ASI issues, : I am wondering if it wouldn't also be helpful for some of the roundtables at : the next conference to address these issues. I am sensitive to the need for : continuing education while at a conference. But it also seems that it would : be a good time to get input from the membership, as this is the one time a : year when a number of members are in one place. Perhaps officers/board : members/committee chairs could host roundtables on various issues raised : lately--dues increase, budget, role of vice president, conference planning : committee, site of future conferences, how best to obtain input from the : membership. I would appreciate the opportunity to be heard in such a venue. : I am concerned that the people who post on Index-L, a caring and vocal : group, are not always representative of the majority. Wider input was sought : recently with a questionnaire on strategic planning, but the usefulness of : the information obtained is related to the relevance and specificity of the : questions, and the time and thought put into the responses. Having time set : aside at the conference for members to give input might decrease the feeling : of helplessness I have when I read the postings and don't have a clue what I : can do to improve the situation. : Becky Hornyak : Freelance Indexer, and Secretary, Heartland Chapter : bhornyak@iquest.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:09:36 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Kevin's request for e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <199809211337.GAA18667@neti.saber.net> Kevin, Could not decipher your address. Naomi Linzer >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BDE544.02D51DE0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I hate to post this to the list, but I need e-mail addresses to the = >following individuals and didn't know where else to turn: > >Sheryl Romeo=20 >Naomi Linzer >Edith Ericson > >Can anyone help me? > >Kevin A. Broccoli > > >------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BDE544.02D51DE0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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