From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Sun Jan 10 23:38:21 1999 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:13:00 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Ilana Kingsley Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9812E" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:57:19 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Vom und Zum and German titles of nobility Ted Neveln asked: From: J Flenner Subject: Re: Vom und Zum and German titles of nobility Ted, To add to Christine's explanation: "Vom" is a contraction for "von dem" and "zum" is a contraction for "zu dem." I took German many yrs ago, so I happen to remember that, but what I have found to be useful many times is the AltaVista translator. Jackie Flenner ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:13:02 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Laptop info needed, please In-Reply-To: <199812281843.NAA19544@mail2.bellsouth.net> |Greetings! | I hope that your collective wisdom will be able to help me. My current |486 laptop computer is crumbling before my eyes. The keyboard ceased to |function in an efficient way about a year ago, but I was able to get around |that problem by hooking up a standard keyboard instead. Now the plastic |surrounding the hinge is breaking bit by bit, revealing the wires and chips |around the monitor display--and I can no longer close it. It is useless as |a portable computer, and the way it's falling apart before my eyes makes me |think that its days are truly numbered. First -- is the laptop the only computer you have? If so, keep in mind that the new ones are so powerful and so completely outfitted these days, it's entirely practical to have a laptop as your *only* machine... and I'm speaking as part of a 5-computer household. You can get a port-replicator (which has pretty much taken the place of the old "docking station"), hook it to your printer and maybe to a larger monitor (and a mouse and a larger keyboard), and just nestle your laptop into the system when you're home. (My laptop travels a lot!) | Can anyone advise me on what laptop models have good reputations and |what kinds of hardware and software would be optimum for me? Keeping in mind that everyone has the own preferences, I don't think you could go wrong with Gateway, Dell, or Compaq (in that order) for laptops *or* desktops. Those three brands are consistently the highest-rated in every magazine, for every type of system. Specifically for laptops, you should also look at WinBook (I've had two of the them), which regularly gets selected as "Best Deal." All these companies sell by mail, which is the least expensive method (the sales tax saved for out-of-state purchases far outweighs the shipping costs). Sit down with the last few issues of PC Magazine, Windows Magazine, and Computer Shopper check your local library, or ask around among your tech-ier friends...) and see what the newest systems are, what the reviews say about Pentium I vs. II, etc. There are also book/magazines (non-monthly publications) at Barnes & Noble on laptops that summarize features and ratings. As a standard thing, though, you should be aiming at the fastest machine you can possibly afford, with the largest hard drive, because after the first six months, it will never be fast enough or big enough (trust me). And DO NOT accept less than 128Mb of RAM -- and 256Mb is preferable. RAM is pretty cheap these days. If you discover later that you don't have enough RAM for comfort, it will be like realizing you've bought a new car with insufficient horsepower. And once you spend a little time on a new, faster system, with new, faster software, you'll wonder how you ever managed before (again, trust me). |I should say right away that I'm still using (and am happy with) CINDEX for |DOS and Microsoft Word for DOS (!). Except for email and internet access, I |don't use a lot of other software, though I've had a fair amount of experience |with Windows 95 and think it has many advantages over the Windows 3.1 on my |current laptop. Here are some of my questions: are notebooks and |laptops the same? Should I get Windows 95 or 98? Sine there's VERY little software being written for DOS on the PC anymore, you should very seriously consider upgrading all or most of your software. If Win98 is installed at the factory -- and that's likely to be almost your only choice, you realize -- it seems to run okay. Installing Win98 on top of Win95 is a whole other thing, and often a major hassle. But Win98 has USB support and all that, so there's really no reason not to move up to that. Besides, you want to get ready for Win2000 (nee NT5.0)! And Cindex for Windows is very, very nice indeed.... Also, once you have access to multitasking, etc, you'll find yourself modifying your working methods to take advantage of it, and DOS will no longer be adequate. | The most heavily advertised, least expensive notebook locally is a Compaq |notebook described as "233 MHz AMD K6 Processor, 32MB Ram, 4 GB Hard Drive, |24X CD-ROM, 56K Modem Presario 1235." *Is* this a Pentium I processor? (I |notice that Compaq advertises a more expensive model as a Pentium II |processor.) Do any of you have any experience with it? Are there other |inexpensive models I should consider? Given my limited needs, should I buy |a used laptop with Windows 95 on it? Pesonally, not being a particularly techie person (that's my wife's profile), I would never buy a used laptop. They're a pain to work on, unlike a desktop system, and if you don't know the machine's intimate "medical" history, you don't really know what you're getting into. (Lack of ease of maintenance and service is one of the down sides of laptops...) Be sure to tell the list what you end up getting, Laura. We all benefit from the trials and tribulations of others! :) |--Laura Moss Gottlieb, Freelance Indexer Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:20:10 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Laptop info needed, please a couple of snips from Michael Smith's message: > > As a standard thing, though, you should be aiming at the fastest machine you > can possibly afford, with the largest hard drive, because after the first > six months, it will never be fast enough or big enough (trust me). And DO > NOT accept less than 128Mb of RAM -- and 256Mb is preferable. RAM is pretty > cheap these days. If you discover later that you don't have enough RAM for > comfort, it will be like realizing you've bought a new car with insufficient > horsepower. And once you spend a little time on a new, faster system, with > new, faster software, you'll wonder how you ever managed before (again, > trust me). > > Pesonally, not being a particularly techie person (that's my wife's > profile), I would never buy a used laptop. They're a pain to work on, unlike > a desktop system, and if you don't know the machine's intimate "medical" > history, you don't really know what you're getting into. (Lack of ease of > maintenance and service is one of the down sides of laptops... > > Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services Michael, I assume when say they are a "pain to work on", I assume you mean to repair. Also, regarding the first paragraph above: they are also *not* upgradable to the extent of most desktops. And, as of a few years ago, the upgrades were much more expensive than desktops. For both of these reasons I also vote for getting all the power/space you can afford and for buying a new computer. Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:55:05 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Laptop info needed, please In-Reply-To: <199812291720.MAA24599@mail1.bellsouth.net> Yes, I meant "to work on" generally! Not only is RAM in a laptop (somewhat) more expensive to upgrade, you can't just add another chip to the existing total. You have to replace the old rack with a new one... and then what are you supposed to do with the old one? Likewise, even *I* can install rails and a new HD in a desktop, but only a technician with the proper tools can do that with a laptop. The tradeoff, though, is that I wouldn't want to try to carry my desktop into a courthouse or a hotel room, and I can actually do on-screen copyediting out in the hammock (but not this month). Mike Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Ann Truesdale |Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 11:20 AM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Re: Laptop info needed, please | | |a couple of snips from Michael Smith's message: |> |> As a standard thing, though, you should be aiming at the fastest machine |you |> can possibly afford, with the largest hard drive, because after |the first |> six months, it will never be fast enough or big enough (trust |me). And DO |> NOT accept less than 128Mb of RAM -- and 256Mb is preferable. |RAM is pretty |> cheap these days. If you discover later that you don't have |enough RAM for |> comfort, it will be like realizing you've bought a new car with |insufficient |> horsepower. And once you spend a little time on a new, faster |system, with |> new, faster software, you'll wonder how you ever managed before (again, |> trust me). |> |> Pesonally, not being a particularly techie person (that's my wife's |> profile), I would never buy a used laptop. They're a pain to work on, |unlike |> a desktop system, and if you don't know the machine's intimate "medical" |> history, you don't really know what you're getting into. (Lack |of ease of |> maintenance and service is one of the down sides of laptops... |> |> Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services | |Michael, I assume when say they are a "pain to work on", I assume |you mean to |repair. Also, regarding the first paragraph above: they are also *not* |upgradable to the extent of most desktops. And, as of a few years ago, the |upgrades were much more expensive than desktops. For both of these |reasons I |also vote for getting all the power/space you can afford and for |buying a new |computer. | |Ann | |Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) |TrueWords Freelance Services |Yonges Island, SC |************************************************************** | If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool | came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? | ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:21:21 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Laptop info needed, please In a message dated 98-12-29 12:56:09 EST, you write: << Not only is RAM in a laptop (somewhat) more expensive to upgrade, you can't just add another chip to the existing total. You have to replace the old rack with a new one >> That is true of many machines, but not all. I have an NEC that allowed me to just add a chip. That and another machine I had both had panels you could remove to easily add RAM. The configuation of the RAM chips is one of the most important questions to ask when buying a laptop. (We have three.) Ask if another chip can be added, and, if so, in what increments. Micki Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:51:55 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rick Hurd Subject: Proper nouns I came home to a message on my answering machine from a publisher who I have never done any business with in the past who has an author that wants all the "proper nouns" in his book indexed. Has anyone had any experience, or rather, does anyone know anything about indexing "proper nouns" and how I should charge for this service. Or any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Rick Hurd. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:00:25 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Proper nouns At 02:51 PM 12/29/1998 EST, Rick Hurd wrote: >I came home to a message on my answering machine from a publisher who I have >never done any business with in the past who has an author that wants all the >"proper nouns" in his book indexed. Has anyone had any experience, or rather, >does anyone know anything about indexing "proper nouns" and how I should >charge for this service. Or any advice would be greatly appreciated. My first line of attack here would be to call the publisher back and clarify exactly what is meant by "all proper nouns." It's perfect correct to index all references to names of persons, places, etc., however minor, if that's what the author insists on (though it might not be "good indexing practice" in the general sense). If you know the subject of the book, this also might help clarify what is wanted. If the author had a bad experience in the past, where he/she got an index with great hunks of important material left out (i.e., names--"proper nouns"--that should have been included and weren't), this might account for the strange request. If the publisher has rarely or never hired a freelance indexer, but instead has relied on authors to do their own indexing, they may not understand what goes into a proper index and may just accept the author's word for it. You could do a little education on this point, in a pleasant phone call. OTOH, it could be the other way around...the author has always done his/her own indexes and is loath to trust an "outsider" to do the job right. The publisher may have thrown its collective hands up and agreed to anything, just to get the job out of the house and on its way to being done. Good luck...and do let us know what happens! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:04:12 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: Re: German titles of nobility From Christine Headley Christine Shuttleworth wrote >Ted Neveln asked: > >found a reference source to explain what that means in terms of title. Also >I have not found a reference source that summarizes the German system of >nobility. It appears to be more complex but more consistent than the >British. I have noticed that Rittmeister and Freiherr are both translated >Baron; and Prinz and F|rst become Prince but what is the order of rank? > >Howard Baker has referred Ted to Debrett's Correct Form, but others may be >interested in specific answers. > >Debrett also has a footnote: "The head of the family is F=FCrst (F=FCrsti= >n), but >Prinz (Prinzessin) is used for other members of the family. All royal >princes are Prinz, and princesses are Prinzessin as being cadets. All are >translated into English as Prince (Princess)." > >I would add: (a) the unmarried daughter of a Graf (Count) is called >Komtesse; (b) Rittmeister means cavalry captain; (c) "vom" and "zum" are >inflected forms of "von" and "zu": "of the" and "at the". It is my understanding that the Austro-German system outlined also makes all the children of a Graf more Grafen and Gra"finnen. Even though the system was formally abolished in Austria after the First World War, people still tend to nudge you and say 'he's a Count, you know'. I used to work for Hans Coudenhove, aka Graf Hans-Heinrich of that ilk, at Weidenfeld in London. This system parallels that in Russia, which made Count Leo Tolstoy (not himself the oldest son) the father of more little Counts and Countesses. Ditto for Princes. Christine Headley Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:37:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Central and Eastern Europe Hello, all. These days I seem to be getting a lot of books about Central Europe, East Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Baltic states, the former Soviet Union, etc. Authors aren't necessarily consistent in their terminology (are they in any subject area? :) ) For example, one author includes Slovakia in the Baltic states, another doesn't. Since I am indexing so many of these books it occurs to me to ask the list if any of you are specialists on Central and East Europe? Know of any good resources? I don't have any specific question at the moment, just curious. It seems to me that things are happening so fast in that area of the world that there's probably no "definitive text" to consult as of yet. Paula C. Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net P.S. I am catching up on my index-L reading after indexing 55 books this year. I found the thread on what I call "the loneliness of the all-night indexer" very helpful. The message on my index-L folder says" 2686 messages, 2379 unread." If I had read even 1000 of them (!) this year it might have assuaged some of that feeling that I was alone in the world with my page proofs! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:29:47 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: Proper nouns In-Reply-To: <199812292105.NAA09681@neti.saber.net> >At 02:51 PM 12/29/1998 EST, Rick Hurd wrote: > >>I came home to a message on my answering machine from a publisher who I have >>never done any business with in the past who has an author that wants all the >>"proper nouns" in his book indexed. Has anyone had any experience, or rather, >>does anyone know anything about indexing "proper nouns" and how I should >>charge for this service. Based on what I've read, still being a student, it seems possible to fall into a pit thinking....well if the publisher ONLY wants proper nouns it won't take as long to do. . . .However, one would, of course, still have to read the entire publication and might want to still charge accordingly. Additional comments? Naomi ******************************************************************************** Ms. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ******************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:03:18 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Cambodian names Nicholas Koenig wrote: > Anyone out there have expertise with Cambodian names? > > I have done some preliminary research on this and > it appears that these names are usually entered > without inversion, with a see reference from the > inverted form: e.g., Dith Pran, Pol Pot. The > only exception I have found so far is Norodom > Sihanouk, which seems to be entered inverted. I have > yet to find a general discussion of Cambodian > names, however. Thai, Chinese, Burmese, > Vietnamese, yes. Cambodian no. Nick, I'm no expert, but I recently finished indexing a LONG book on Cambodia. Cambodian names are written family-name given-name (or, in our terms, surname forename.) However, people are usually referred to by their given name, hence the need to cross-reference from the given name to the full name (if, of course, the given name is used extensively by itself in the text.) Norodom Sihanouk: As far as I could ascertain, Norodom is the family name and Sihanouk is the given name. Since he is customarily referred to as Sihanouk, perhaps that is why some indexes show him as Sihanouk, Norodom? I believe that his name should be indexed uninverted (Norodom Sihanouk) with a cross-reference from Sihanouk. However, it's possible that other rules apply since he is of the royal family. Pol Pot is an alias, but unless the given name is used in the text, you probably don't have to cross-reference. His birth name was Saloth Sar. At least in modern times, women appear to take their husband's family name when they marry, dropping their own family name. Again, the family name appears first, followed by the given name. During the Khmer Rouge regime, many people used short, simple names such as Pran -- no family name, and if their given name was too long or aristocratic, they shortened it or chose a new name. If the given name was already short and simple, it could be retained as the sole name. I hope this helps! Kara Pekar jkpekar@crosslink.net Wordsmith Indexing Services 8112 Harrison Dr. King George, VA 22485 (540) 775-4072 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:55:35 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: German titles of nobility Christine Headley wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Proper nouns J. Naomi Linzer wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: Re: Central and Eastern Europe From Christine Headley Paula C. Durbin-Westby wrote: >These days I seem to be getting a lot of books about Central Europe, East >Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Baltic states, the former >Soviet Union, etc. Authors aren't necessarily consistent in their >terminology (are they in any subject area? :) ) For example, one author >includes Slovakia in the Baltic states, another doesn't. > >Since I am indexing so many of these books it occurs to me to ask the list >if any of you are specialists on Central and East Europe? Know of any good >resources? I don't have any specific question at the moment, just curious. >It seems to me that things are happening so fast in that area of the world >that there's probably no "definitive text" to consult as of yet. > First reference tool - an up-to-date map, or a book that includes several showing different periods. I used to have difficulty telling Baltic from Balkans. Baltic is north Europe, next to Russia and Poland and Scandinavia. Balkans are south and became Yugoslavia for a while. Slovakia is bang in the middle, being half the old Czechoslovakia and landlocked. Your author may mean Slovenia, which (I think) is old Yugoslavia next to Austria. Baltic is certainly ain't. I recently indexed a law book on trade with the EU. It covered any number of treaties with different countries, so 'USSR' was quite as legitimate in its time as its component parts later. Good luck! Christine Headley Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:19:28 -0800 Reply-To: nkoenig@sprynet.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nicholas W. Koenig" Subject: Re: Central and Eastern Europe I didn't realize the terminology was in this much flux. I have always regarded "the Baltic States" as referring to Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. I have even seen the people in these countries referred to as the Balts. Poland and Finland also border on the Baltic, but they are not regarded as belonging to the Baltic States. Slovakia doesn't even border on the Baltic. I do hope the author hasn't confused Baltic and Balkan. Even so, I always understood that the Balkans stretched no further north than the former Yugoslavia and Romania. I think when authors talk about Eastern Europe they often mean the old Warsaw Pact countries. Such a practice would naturally place Slovakia in Eastern Europe, though it could also be regarded as in Central Europe. This practice seems a trifle sloppy to me because the former Yugoslavia was not in the Warsaw Pact but sure seems to be in Eastern Europe, at least to me. But perhaps if you're in the Balkans you can't be in Eastern Europe. Now I'm confused........ Nick Koenig Paula C. Durbin-Westby wrote: > > Hello, all. > > These days I seem to be getting a lot of books about Central Europe, East > Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Baltic states, the former > Soviet Union, etc. Authors aren't necessarily consistent in their > terminology (are they in any subject area? :) ) For example, one author > includes Slovakia in the Baltic states, another doesn't. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:26:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Weiss Subject: Re: Central and Eastern Europe A good source for geographic names is the U.S. Board on Geographic Names. I found have these people to be very helpful. To get information by phone, call one of these numbers: Washington, D.C. area: (301) 277-2495 Outside the Washington area: (800) 826-0342 e-mail: flynnre@nima.mil URL for their website: http//www.nima.mil/ (Select the option for Geospatial Information to find the link to the GEOnet names Server.) Sue Weiss Tax Analysts Arlington, VA "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" on 12/29/98 05:37:48 PM Please respond to Indexer's Discussion Group To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L cc: Subject: Central and Eastern Europe Hello, all. These days I seem to be getting a lot of books about Central Europe, East Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Baltic states, the former Soviet Union, etc. Authors aren't necessarily consistent in their terminology (are they in any subject area? :) ) For example, one author includes Slovakia in the Baltic states, another doesn't. Since I am indexing so many of these books it occurs to me to ask the list if any of you are specialists on Central and East Europe? Know of any good resources? I don't have any specific question at the moment, just curious. It seems to me that things are happening so fast in that area of the world that there's probably no "definitive text" to consult as of yet. Paula C. Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:48:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Munro Subject: Chinese names Can anyone advise me on the correct form of entry for Chinese proper name= s. For example, should Mao Zedong be filed as 'Mao Zedong' or 'Zedong, Mao'= . = Also, should the Huang He (Yellow River) be filed as such or as 'He, Huang'? Grateful for any advice. Thanks, Richard Munro +44-1359-271023 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:11:08 -0800 Reply-To: st077@csufresno.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: sam tricic Subject: Re: Central and Eastern Europe Hi Paula! It's nice to see that there is interest in one of the currently most difficult-to-solve and dangerous spots in the world > Since I am indexing so many of these books it occurs to me to ask the list if any of you are specialists on Central and East Europe? Yes, this area is one of my specialities--being born there how can it not be? If you have any questions, feel free to consult me (any time after the holidays) It seems to me that things are happening so fast in that area of the world that there's probably no "definitive text" to consult as of yet. > This is true, but there are few interesting books out already, especially about genocide in Bosnia, and other states of former Yugoslavia. Layla Tricic st077@csufresno.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:29:59 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: Chinese names Chinese names are not inverted, so Mao Zedong does go under Mao. Besides the Chicago Manual, I have often found the Webster's Biographical Dictionary to be a valuable resource on alphabetization of names. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:48:07 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shana Milkie Subject: question on children's activities book Greetings, Index-L. I'm a student in the USDA course, and I'm working on my first outside project - helping my friend index her book on children's activities. I have a couple of questions about how I should structure the index. The book consists of 52 themes, such as Airplanes or Hats & Shoes. Each 4-page theme section has some arts & crafts, indoor games, outdoor games, suggested snacks and a list of related books, music and videos. At the end of the book is a list of additional theme-related books and a list of stores and catalogs. Here are my questions: 1. The arts and crafts are mentioned first in the introduction to each theme, and then the directions for them are given on the next page. For example, a construction-paper caterpillar is mentioned on page 34, and its directions are on page 36. I was thinking of listing both mentions of the activity, with the directions page appearing in bold. How does this sound? 2. How exhaustive should the index be? Some of the arts and crafts and activities are just one or two sentence suggestions e.g. "Make a bug-collecting jar by punching holes in the lid of a clear jar." or "Get some exercise by pretending to be an inch-worm." Would I be over-indexing to include terms like "bug-collecting jar" or "bug imitation game?" 3. Should I mention the books in the index? For example, I could have an entry "books" with subentries for each theme. I'm not sure if I should do this because it will make a long entry. Also, the reader knows that each theme has its own list of books. But, I don't want to leave out anything important in the index, either. Any suggestions? 4. I thought it would be useful to double-post specific arts and crafts under the main material used to make it. For example, a main heading of construction paper would have subentries like "animal cutouts," "firefighter hats, " etc. I'm using a cookbook as an analogy, where recipes are double-posted under their titles and under their main ingredients. Does this idea make sense? It could make for some long entries. Thank you very much for your help! - Shana Milkie (e-mail: smilkie@mich.com) Ann Arbor, Michigan (any other Michiganders out there?) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:17:37 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: question on children's activities book Shana Milkie wrote: (useful stuff snipped here) > > 2. How exhaustive should the index be? Some of the arts and crafts and > activities are just one or two sentence suggestions e.g. "Make a > bug-collecting jar by > punching holes in the lid of a clear jar." or "Get some exercise by > pretending > to be an inch-worm." Would I be over-indexing to include terms like > "bug-collecting jar" or "bug imitation game?" Responding to this one both as indexer and mom, I heartily endorse very specific mentions of particular activities. These are exactly the things I always searched for when my kids were small and I owned similar books, and I remember, with some irritation, how they were hidden under main headings I could never remember right off. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 651-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:02:50 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Re: Chinese names At 02:48 PM 30/12/98 -0500, Richard Munro wrote: > >Also, should the Huang He (Yellow River) be filed as such or as 'He, >Huang'? Grateful for any advice. Huang He is the name of the river and should not be inverted. You might qualify it, e.g. Huang He (river) or Huang He (Yellow River). Alan -- ********************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:02:42 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Dahlen Subject: Cindex for Sale In-Reply-To: <199812220504.AAA18856@pluto.ipass.net> I have a brand new copy of Cindex for DOS for sale - the software is still sealed. Paid $500. Licensing allows for sale. Make an offer to me directly before 1/5/98. Do not hit "reply" - see my email address below. Thanks! Paul Dahlen prd@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:17:36 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Russell Subject: Re: question on children's activities book > 1. The arts and crafts are mentioned first in the introduction to each theme, > and then the directions for them are given on the next page. For example, > a construction-paper caterpillar is mentioned on page 34, and its directions > are on page 36. I was thinking of listing both mentions of the activity, > with > the directions page appearing in bold. How does this sound? It depends on how much information there is in the "mention." If all it says on page 30 is something like, "You can explore butterflies by making the paper caterpillar on page 34," then the reference on page 30 shouldn't be indexed. Why waste the reader's time looking up a reference that doesn't tell him or her anything? Janet Russell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Cliff Urr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE34CB.890404E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would anyone on the list have Cliff Urr's e-mail address? Please respond to me off-list. Much appreciated, Kevin Broccoli brocindx@catskill.net ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE34CB.890404E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would anyone on the list have Cliff = Urr's e-mail=20 address?
Please respond to me = off-list.
 
Much appreciated,
Kevin Broccoli
brocindx@catskill.net ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE34CB.890404E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:11:27 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Corrington Subject: Re: Chinese names Chinese names are a combination of two sets of names. Using your example, Mao Zedong, Mao is a name of a "clan" not a family. Zedong is the individual's name. The names are not inverted. Clan name comes first, followed by the individual's name or Mao Zedong. Hope this helps. Paul Corrington Corrington Indexing Service