From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Thu Dec 24 18:11:43 1998 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:46:46 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Ilana Kingsley Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9812A" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:41:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: interactive indexing quiz All -- The following Web site has a fun little interactive indexing quiz created by Dawn Lindley, a friend of mine in South Carolina: http://net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ The quiz (just 5 questions) is a "virtual gallery" complete with art and music. Load time for each page is less than 30 seconds at 28.8. Have fun! .... Lori Lori Lathrop (76620.456@compuserve.com) Lathrop Media Services, Charlotte, NC Web site - http://idt.net/~lathro19 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:36:41 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: interactive indexing quiz I cut and pasted the URL given below, and it doesn't work. Shouldn't there be more to the address? Thanks! At 05:41 AM 12/1/98 -0500, Lori Lathrop wrote: >All -- The following Web site has a fun little interactive indexing quiz >created by Dawn Lindley, a friend of mine in South Carolina: > > http://net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ > >The quiz (just 5 questions) is a "virtual gallery" complete with art and >music. Load time for each page is less than 30 seconds at 28.8. > >Have fun! .... Lori > >Lori Lathrop (76620.456@compuserve.com) >Lathrop Media Services, Charlotte, NC >Web site - http://idt.net/~lathro19 > > ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services "Cookbooks and Food History a Specialty" cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:52:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz All -- My apologies. Here is the correct URL for the interactive indexing quiz: http://www.flywrite.net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ Lori Lathrop (76620.456@compuserve.com) Lathrop Media Services, Charlotte, NC Web site - http://idt.net/~lathro19 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:53:45 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Pat Fenn (Wasser) (Exchange)" Subject: Re: interactive indexing quiz I can't open this site, either. Please let me know the correct URL. Thanks Pat Fenn -----Original Message----- From: Lori Lathrop [mailto:76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 2:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: interactive indexing quiz All -- The following Web site has a fun little interactive indexing quiz created by Dawn Lindley, a friend of mine in South Carolina: http://net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ The quiz (just 5 questions) is a "virtual gallery" complete with art and music. Load time for each page is less than 30 seconds at 28.8. Have fun! .... Lori Lori Lathrop (76620.456@compuserve.com) Lathrop Media Services, Charlotte, NC Web site - http://idt.net/~lathro19 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:39:40 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Speisser Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk Re chairs that slant from back to front I have an acquaintance who is a physical therapist. She gave me some "tips" on selecting a chair. You do want a chair that has a seat that can be adjusted to slant from back to front. Essentially, you want everything at a 90 degree angle - knees, hips, elbow, etc. Nancy Speisser speisser@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:29:51 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz Lori Lathrop wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: Medical dictionary There was a mention on Index-L a while back about Stedman's medical dictionary on CD-ROM (which I missed). Anyone know where one can get it in the UK, what's its price. What are anyone's opinions of using it, compared to lifting down a book dictionary 20 or 30 times a day? -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:39:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Medical dictionary I just read that Dorland's is now available on CD-ROM. Dorland's is the one used by the National Library of Medicine as a standard. Roberta Horowitz At 04:37 PM 12/1/98 +0000, you wrote: >There was a mention on Index-L a while back about Stedman's medical >dictionary on CD-ROM (which I missed). Anyone know where one can get it >in the UK, what's its price. > >What are anyone's opinions of using it, compared to lifting down a book >dictionary 20 or 30 times a day? >-- >Dr Laurence Errington >15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ >Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 >Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) >E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: Ergonomics For a different twist on the mouse question -- My local PC Users Group's latest newsletter reprints an article from the Twin Cities PCUG newsletter about how to use your numeric pad (on the keyboard) to control your mouse pointer. It's a feature I never knew I had (runs in Windows 95/98) and it works really well. It's called MouseKeys; it lives in Accessibility Options (in Control Panel), and if anyone is interested in specific instructions for turning it on and fine-tuning the settings, e-mail me privately. Karen Lane klane@digital.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:08:12 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ellen Davenport I've been an avid reader of Index-L since May, have just sent in my last USDA lesson, and am now using everything I've learned to generate indexes for actual books in my area of expertise (botany, horticulture, gardening, landscaping). It helps that these books already have indexes that I can compare to my efforts. I'm finding this an excellent learning tool and am actually having a great time doing it. After I've done about 6 such books, I plan to start my marketing efforts and hang out my shingle. My question is, is there a good spell-checker to use to check botanical nomenclature, i.e., plant names? I have the standard addition of Sky Index. Is there a way to use such a spellchecker, if one exists, in Sky Index, or do you wait and use it on the final word-processed document? You've all been so generous in sharing what you've learned about indexing. What a resource for new indexers. Thanks for all your help, Ellen Davenport davenport@metro.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:39:15 -0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: Medical dictionary In-Reply-To: Date sent: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:39:19 -0500 Send reply to: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Medical dictionary Originally to: Indexer's Discussion Group To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > I just read that Dorland's is now available on CD-ROM. Dorland's is the > one used by the National Library of Medicine as a standard. I have Dorland's on CD-ROM. My grouse about it is the inordinate amount of memory and hard disk space its software takes up. It doesn't seem to work properly on my machine while Cindex for Windows is also running. If buying, it may be a good idea to get info about the system requirements first, especially before breaking the seal on the package. This now applies to software in general, in my opinion. Another example is Microsoft Money 99 - its system requirements are unbelievable - bloatware is the word. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:39:15 -0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: terminology In-Reply-To: > I've been an avid reader of Index-L since May, have just sent in my last > USDA lesson, and am now using everything I've learned to generate indexes To be pedantic, it might be better to avoid the term 'generate' otherwise people might think you are a mere computer operator rather than an expert in indexing. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:55:57 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Time4faith@AOL.COM Subject: The USDA Course? I'm confused. I tried to register for the Indexing USDA course and I was e- mailed back saying it is not offered online...? Is that true? Anyone? Valerie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:00:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: The USDA Course? Valerie - You can indeed sign up online, but the course itself is a paper one. They will send you the books and so forth, and you mail in the lessons. Iris Time4faith@AOL.COM wrote: > I'm confused. I tried to register for the Indexing USDA course and I was e- > mailed back saying it is not offered online...? Is that true? Anyone? > Valerie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:53:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Spell checkers for horticulture Ellen Davenport writes: >My question is, is there a good spell-checker to use to check botanical > nomenclature, i.e., plant names? I have the standard addition of Sky > Index. Is there a way to use such a spellchecker, if one exists, in Sky > Index, or do you wait and use it on the final word-processed document? Ellen, it's not a spell checker per se, but you can go to the following URL to check spellings of plant families, genera, and species. I've found it to be pretty good. http://www.itis.usda.gov/itis/itis_query.html Good luck. Elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:56:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Keys Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. Subject: Thesaurus for investment, financial planning? Hi Can anyone recommend a business thesaurus =97 one that covers specialized= investment and financial planning terms? Any possibility that such a creature lives online? I've f= ound business glossaries and dictionaries. Thanks Ann Keys ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:57:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diana Burt Subject: Re: The USDA Course? I was able to register for the USDA course on line I think (this was one year ago), but of course the course itself is not online. Diana Burt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:46:21 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: question I keep getting exceeded retry messages. Have any of my messages come through? I've sent about 6 in the last month, not exactly tons. I haven't kept track of whether my own msgs are showing up in my in box. If this does make it through, I've got a question for those of you with business names. When you are given credit for indexing in your book, do you use your business name or your actual name? I've always used my real name, but a proof just came in with my business name given. I don't know whether I want to ask to have it changed to my name or not. Any thoughts on what difference it might make? Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:47:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Jacobs Subject: Re: question: name in credits At 01:46 PM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: .... When you are given credit for indexing in your book, do you >use your business name or your actual name? I've always used my real name, >but a proof just came in with my business name given. I don't know whether >I want to ask to have it changed to my name or not. Any thoughts on what >difference it might make? I always use my own name. That way it is very clear to any prospective client that it is my own work, not that of someone working for my company. Christine **************************************************************************** ******* Christine Jacobs cmjacobs@johnabbott.qc.ca Co-Chair Information and Library Technologies Dept. John Abbott College P.O. Box 2000 Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue QC H9X 3L9 (514) 457-6610, loc 470; fax: (514) 457-4730 **************************************************************************** ******** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:53:54 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz Christine, I was just there & everything worked fine (despite wrong answers). Alas, I had my speakers turned off so I missed the music! Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? In a message dated 12/1/98 11:54:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, cshuttle@DIRCON.CO.UK writes: > > http://www.flywrite.net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ > > I tried it, it downloaded very quickly, accompanied by music, but after I > had answered three questions, I was unceremoniously thrown right out of > Windows and found myself back at the C: prompt, with the music reduced to a > lingering whine. Was this the result of giving the wrong answer? Surely you > wouldn't be so cruel; I was having such fun. > > Has this happened to anyone else? > > Christine > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:38 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: question In a message dated 12/2/98 1:48:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, racric@TOGETHER.NET writes: > keep getting exceeded retry messages. Have any of my messages come > through? I've sent about 6 in the last month, not exactly tons. I haven't > kept track of whether my own msgs are showing up in my in box. > Charlotte has said that this has been corrected but there is a time delay - your message gets posted OK, then the exceeded retry msg comes back about two weeks later. > If this does make it through, I've got a question for those of you with > business names. When you are given credit for indexing in your book, do you > use your business name or your actual name? I've always used my real name, > but a proof just came in with my business name given. I don't know whether > I want to ask to have it changed to my name or not. Any thoughts on what > difference it might make? > > Rachel > I would use my own name, in the sense of being the *author* of the index. I wouldn't want anyone to think that a company "generated" the index. ;-) Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:29:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Miller, David G (Dave)" Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz If you're using Netscape (the superior browser), you won't get the sound because the HTML author used a tag instead of to invoke the music. > ---------- > From: Ann Truesdale[SMTP:Anntrue@AOL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz > > Christine, > > I was just there & everything worked fine (despite wrong answers). Alas, I > had > my speakers turned off so I missed the music! > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:17:43 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: Word For Word Indexing and Editing Services Subject: Re: tech comm webrings; indexer's webring Robin Hilp wrote: > > And then ... > > Sometime before the end of the year, the Indexer's WebRing will be > operational! Membership will be open to any (G-rated) page that is > relevant to indexing. Currently I'm using the term "indexing" to mean > creation of back-of-the-book indexes, online help indexes, website > indexes that are similar to online help indexes, and periodical > indexes. Robin, I'm interested in the idea of an indexers' webring. Could you bring me up to speed on it? Dan -- ========================================= Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Indexing and Editing Services www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ========================================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:06:10 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz I had my speakers on, and i didn't get any music. Suellen On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:53:54 EST Ann Truesdale writes: >Christine, > >I was just there & everything worked fine (despite wrong answers). >Alas, I had >my speakers turned off so I missed the music! > >Ann > >Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) >TrueWords Freelance Services >Yonges Island, SC >************************************************************** > If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool > came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? > > >In a message dated 12/1/98 11:54:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cshuttle@DIRCON.CO.UK writes: > >> >> http://www.flywrite.net/thewriteplace/welcome/indexing/ >> >> I tried it, it downloaded very quickly, accompanied by music, but >after I >> had answered three questions, I was unceremoniously thrown right >out of >> Windows and found myself back at the C: prompt, with the music >reduced to a >> lingering whine. Was this the result of giving the wrong answer? >Surely you >> wouldn't be so cruel; I was having such fun. >> >> Has this happened to anyone else? >> >> Christine >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:41:59 -0500 Reply-To: justleftrr@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Roby Subject: Unsubscribe index-l unsubscribe index-l ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:46 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: TOOLS: References for plant names (summary; long) Someone asked for a spell checker of plant names. I gave a URL which had always worked for me (and indeed, worked the morning I sent the message to the list), but didn't later one. To anyone to needs these references, I got them from a related thread on the copyediting list (hi Christine!). I haven't gone to them, so I can't give my personal stamp of approval, but... INTERNET (quoted descriptions are from the Web sites) Index Nominum Genericorum (Plantarum)--Smithsonian Institution, National Museum of Natural History http://www.nmnh.si.edu/ing/ "The Index Nominum Genericorum (ING), a collaborative project of the International Association for Plant Taxonomy (IAPT) and the Smithsonian Institution, was initiated in 1954 as a compilation of generic names published for all organisms covered by the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. . . . Current work on the ING is supported by the Smithsonian Institution, IAPT, and the University of Utrecht, Utrecht, The Netherlands." Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS) http://www.itis.usda.gov/itis/access.html "A partnership of U.S., Canadian, and Mexican agencies, other organizations, and taxonomic specialists cooperating on the development of an on-line, scientifically credible list of biological names focusing on the biota of North America. ITIS is also a participating member of Species 2000, an international project indexing the world's known species." Internet Directory for Botany http://herb.biol.uregina.ca/liu/bio/idb.shtml "The Internet Directory of Botany is an index to botanical information . . . compiled by Anthony R. Brach (Harvard University Herbarium, Cambridge / Missouri Botanical Garden, St. Louis, USA, www page), Raino Lampinen (Botanical Museum, Finnish Museum of Natural History, University of Helsinki, Finland; www page), Shunguo Liu (G.F Ledingham Herbarium, University of Regina, Canada; www page), and Keith McCree (Oakridge, Oregon; www page)." Missouri Botanical Garden--access provided by W3Tropicos http://mobot.mobot.org/Pick/Search/pick.html "This site provides access to the Missouri Botanical Garden's VAST (VAScular Tropicos) nomenclatural database and associated authority files." Orchid Species Culture http://www.orchidculture.com Maintained by CE-L subscribers Charles and Margaret Baker; has many features for orchid enthusiasts and numerous other links for sources of information about orchids, some of which may also apply to other plants. PLANTS National Database--U.S. Department of Agriculture, Natural Resources Conservation Service http://plants.usda.gov/plants/fr_enter.cgi?earl=fr_qurymenu "[PLANTS is a database that] was created to replace the National List of Scientific Names (NLSPN) published by the National Resources Conservation Service--NRCS (formerly the Soil Conservation Service)." Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Home page: http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/index.html Databases: http://griffin.rbgkew.org.uk/web.dbs/webdbsintro.html "Since 1759 Kew has built up a range of systematically-ordered living and preserved collections which together constitute a resource of world-wide significance fully reflecting the diversity of plants and fungi in the world. The collections, including a comprehensive library, archives and numerous illustrations, have been enriched by the accumulated systematic wisdom of generations of Kew-based and visiting botanists and horticulturists. We believe that our unique collections of dried plants (6 million specimens--covering 90% of the world's plant species), living plants (40,000 taxa--estimated as 10% of the world's flora), fungi, artefacts of plant origin (80,000), literature and archives together offer a critical resource for world botany, effective plant conservation and plant utilisation, a multi-disciplinary training resource and a public window on the world of plants." Elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:18:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ellen Brink Organization: uakron.edu Subject: periodical indexing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1246121700B9FA87A91A0A21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few weeks ago there was some discussion about periodical indexing as a source of ongoing, lower-pressured work. I have ordered some library materials specifically about periodical and newspaper indexing, but I really need a little direction asap. I was surprised to find that freelancers could do this kind of job in the first place -- I thought it was mostly done by newspaper librarians themselves or some big company like Wilson, PAIS, etc. But if a freelancer were to get a job say, indexing a year's worth of monthly magazines or journals, how would one set a price? Or is it set for you? Has anyone on this list worked on such a project? Thanks for any help you can offer. 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My author and I both want them all alphabetized under "Henry"; when I asked her how she wants them worded, she said, "The convention I am most familiar with is 1 Henry IV for the Henry IV plays and Henry VI Part 1 for the Henry VI plays." (This is how she cites them in her text.) Should I index the Henry IV plays with the numbers first but not counted in alphabetization? Is there some other standard for indexing these plays? Thanks for all input., Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:48:00 -0500 Reply-To: editink@istar.ca Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Heather Ebbs Organization: Editor's Ink Subject: Re: periodical indexing I do a lot of periodical indexing, and I charge for it the same way as I do for all my work--by the hour. Periodical indexing tends to be low pressure all year, then very high pressure toward the end, as the last issue of the volume is often the one with the index in it. Heather Ebbs editink@istar.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:51:05 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ellen Davenport Subject: Botanical spellchecker Thanks for the feedback on my request for information about botanical spellchecking software--I learned how to use Sky Index in conjunction with my word processor's spellchecker and was given a URL for checking spellings of plant families, genera, and species. Unfortunately, no one seemed to know of software that would check the spelling of scientific plant names. In a former life, as manager of a wholesale nursery, I was responsible for maintaining a database of the plants we sold and 'generating"'a yearly catalog of our plants. My spellchecking procedure at that time involved some research to make sure I had the correct spelling of the plant, than paying careful attention when I entered the name into the computer, printing out the list and checking each name again. Still, it was really easy to make a typo in a name like Anemopaegma chamberlaynii. Since it doesn't look like there is software available to check the names, do any of you who routinely index texts with scientific names have any tricks for making sure all the names are spelled correctly? Ellen Davenport davenport@metro.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:58:05 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: Re: References for Plant Names All - Try truncating the URL to: http://www.itis.usda.gov/ This worked fine this morning, and the links will take you to specific taxonomies. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:10:35 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: periodical indexing For periodical indexing, I've found that clients would like a firm price. I've not gotten my clients to buy into a per hour rate. They seem to need the firm price so they know that it will fit into the budget. Working by the hour is more of an open-ended thing, monetarily, and it is good for you as an indexer, but apparently uncomfortable for some clients. I usually do a test of indexing about 1/2 of an issue, a back issue of the publication, and see how long it takes me. I can then ratchet the figure up to a per issue price, and then to a price for the entire year's worth. In the meanwhile, you can see how many entries you project it out to be, and see if you can get a similar price from the estimated # of entries. And from the approx. # of indexable pages in a year's worth. If you estimate well, the 3 figures should be in parity, and you can give your client a price. My first estimate, though, is based on time. And it gives me a sample to send to the potential client, so he/she can see what you propose to do, the quality and scope of it, etc. The client can then react to it, and will have a more secure feeling about what he/she is purchasing. Works well for me. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:12:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy A. Guenther" Subject: Re: Botanical spellchecker In-Reply-To: <199812031656.LAA24305@carriage.chesco.com> > >Since it doesn't look like there is software available to check the names, >do any of you who routinely index texts with scientific names have any >tricks for making sure all the names are spelled correctly? > >Ellen Davenport >davenport@metro.net Ellen, Since you are using SKY Index, have you checked the AutoEntry Manager as a means of vocabulary control? Since SKY will complete a term based on the first few characters I type, I work to carefully entry the term the first time, then repeated use of the same term will automatically use the same spelling. It is also possible to import lists from previous projects or text lists of terms. Nancy nanguent@chesco.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:52:22 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: ISO 999 update From Christine Headley I recently posted musings on the temporary acquisition of ISO 999 via the public library service. I received a number of useful suggestions from near and far. Fortified with this, I put in an application at my local library and nearly fell off my chair when they rang to tell me it was in. The next morning. Less welcome was the news that it was on microfiche. So yesterday I went to the library and viewed the microfiche. The paperwork said that I could copy up to 10%, so I did copy three pages on presentation. However, the quality of the copy processed from the microfiche is pretty appalling, so I don't regard it as permanent. Most of the actual indexing information seemed straightforward and predictable. There is a long passage on cross-references, but I would hope to do cross-refs in the prescribed form anyway. The main thing to remember seems to be Word by Word rather than Letter by Letter. I cannot understand how the British Standards Institute can justify charging GBP 55 - about USD 80? - for 47 pages of text. As pp 34-47 constitute the index and there are significant numbers of prelims pages, there is really not a lot of text. Best Christine Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:51:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: correct URL for interactive indexing quiz Naw, I have IN Explorer, but I just don't turn on the speakers unless I want to play a music CD while I work. I believe that computers should be seen and not heard. (You should hear the _sucking_ noise Quicken makes when you delete a transaction!) ;-D Ann > > If you're using Netscape (the superior browser), you won't get the sound > because > the HTML author used a tag instead of to invoke the music. > > > ---------- > > From: Ann Truesdale[SMTP:Anntrue@AOL.COM] > > > > Christine, > > > > I was just there & everything worked fine (despite wrong answers). Alas, I > > had > > my speakers turned off so I missed the music! > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:52:27 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Keys Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. Subject: Chat: my posting I posted an earlier message requesting suggestions for a thesaurus for business and investment terms. If members of the listserv received this message, could someone please reply offlist to me at ann_keys@magic.ca The BITNET listserver is telling me that the message was indeed posted; perhaps I need to change something for I am unable to see the message. Thank you, Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:48:02 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sloan Subject: Re: periodical indexing In-Reply-To: <199812031615.IAA15416@ixmail5.ix.netcom.com> At 11:18 AM 12/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------1246121700B9FA87A91A0A21 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >A few weeks ago there was some discussion about periodical indexing as a >source of ongoing, lower-pressured work. I have ordered some library >materials specifically about periodical and newspaper indexing, but I >really need a little direction asap. I was surprised to find that >freelancers could do this kind of job in the first place -- I thought it >was mostly done by newspaper librarians themselves or some big company >like Wilson, PAIS, etc. But if a freelancer were to get a job say, >indexing a year's worth of monthly magazines or journals, how would one >set a price? Or is it set for you? Has anyone on this list worked on >such a project? Thanks for any help you can offer. > >Ellen Brink Ellen; I've done a few journals and just bid (and won)on a new project. I have a formula for calculating a piece rate into an hourly rate or vice-versa. It's quite simple - just take the number of articles you can do per hour (I'm usually conservative with this number) then have a target hourly rate (say $25 p/hr.). Pay = # of articles X hourly rate. With this formula you can also figure how long the job will take you once you know how many pieces you can do in an hour. Just remember to ask for sample issue(s) before taking on the job. The work I've done has always been either an annual or cumulative index for a specific journal. I tend to give lower rates to non-profits that cover my specific interests in hope for leads to other projects. Sincerely, Linda Kenny Sloan indexer@ix.netcom.com ******************************************* Information Universe Editorial services for the aerospace and astronomy communities http://informationuniverse.com ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:58:59 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ISO 999 update [Reply & Comment] Christine & Others-- Yes, the price SEEMS and may actually BE excessive. When designing a prototype color display a few years ago I needed the chromaticity values for different display systems. One set of information was available from the SMPTE -- Society of Motion Picture Technology and Engineering, I think -- out of New York. It cost $10 plus shipping for two pieces of paper! One paragraph of useful text and no graphic information at all. However, I noticed in their price list that ALL technical standards were $10 regardless of size. Sorry your microfiche copies were so bad; sounds like your library is still using steam-age techniques: thermal paper perhaps? Cheers, Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:09:15 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Embach Subject: join index-l join index-l cembach@utulsa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:35:36 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Fwd: Indexing in lit. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_912720936_boundary Content-ID: <0_912720936@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear Index-Lers, I checked to see if I could repost this message from a library friend and both she and her academic colleagues think it's ok. What the copyright people think may be another matter. Diane in Kazoo In a message dated 98-12-02 08:02:08 EST, bowman2@wmich.edu writes: << (Sent by Jo Falcon to the email distribution list for her indexing class, SJSU SLIS, Spring 1998.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - As promised in class, here's Chapter 55, "Never Index Your Own Book," from Kurt Vonnegut's _Cat's Cradle_ (1963: Holt Rinehart Winston, NY). I've edited slightly, mostly to take out things that don't make sense till you read the whole book and to save myself carpal tunnel syndrome: [The narrator is on a plane en route for the Island of San Lorenzo and is reading a history of the island (major characters: the dictator Monzano and the rasta-Zen prophet Bokonon), written by Philip Castle, whose father founded the hospital called the House of Hope and Mercy in the Jungle.] As for the life of "Aamons, Mona," the index itself gave a jangling, surrealistic picture of the many conflicting forces that had been brought to bear on her and of her dismayed reactions to them. "Aamons, Mona," the index said, "adopted by Monzano in order to boost Monzano's popularity, 194-199, 216n.; childhood in compound of House of Hope and Mercy, 63-81; childhood romance with P. Castle, 72f; death of father, 89ff; death of mother, 92f; embarrassed by role as national erotic symbol, 80, 95f, 166 n, 209, 247n, 40-406, 566n, 678; engaged to P. Castle, 193; essential naivete, 67-71, 80, 95f, 16n, 209, 274n, 400-406, 56n, 678; lives with Bokonon, 92-98, 196-197; poems about, 2n, 26, 114, 119, 311, 316, 477n, 501, 507, 555n, 689, 718ff, 799ff, 800n, 841, 846ff, 908n, 971, 974; poems by, 89, 92, 193; returns to Monzano,199; returns to Bokonon, 197; runs away from Bokonon, 199; runs away from Monzano, 197; tries to make self ugly in order to stop being erotic symbol to islanders, 80, 95f, 116n, 209, 247n, 400-46, 566n, 678; tutored by Bokonon, 63-80; writes letter to United Nations, 200; xylophone virtuoso, 71." I showed this index entry to the Mintons, asking them if it didn't think it was an enchanting biography in itself, a biography of a reluctant goddess of love. I got an unexpectedly expert answer, as one does in life sometimes. It appeared that Claire Minton, in her time, had been a professional indexer. I had never heard of such a profession before... She said that indexing was a thing only the most amateurish author undertook to do for his own book. I asked her what she thought of Philip Castle's job. "Flattering to the author, insulting to the reader," she said. "In a hyphenated word," she said with the shrewd amiability of an expert, "_self- indulgent_. I'm always embarrassed when I see an index an author has made of his own work. It's a revealing thing... a shameless exhibition.... "He's obviously in love with this Mona Aamons Monzano... He has mixed feelings about his father... He's insecure... He'll never marry her... I've said all I'm going to say," she said. * * * Sometime later, Ambassador Minton and I met in the aisle of the airplane, away from his wife, and he showed me that it was important to him that I respect what his wife could find out from indexes. "You know why Castle will never marry the girl, even though he loves her, even though they grew up together?" he whispered... "Because he's a homosexual. She can tell that from the index, too." __________ >> --part0_912720936_boundary Content-ID: <0_912720936@inet_out.mail.wmich.edu.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:02:08 -0500 Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id IAA24262 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from eeyore.cc.wmich.edu (PMDF_BATCH@eeyore.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.20.103]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29004 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wmich.edu ("port 1110"@pm501-04.dialip.mich.net) by wmich.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3143) with ESMTP id <01J4USM829TQ91VSZQ@wmich.edu> for wordendex@aol.com; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:02:02 EST Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:04:12 -0500 From: Mary Ann Bowman Subject: Indexing in lit. To: Diane Worden Reply-to: maryann.bowman@wmich.edu Message-id: <36653AC9.A0337D0C@wmich.edu> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit (Sent by Jo Falcon to the email distribution list for her indexing class, SJSU SLIS, Spring 1998.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - As promised in class, here's Chapter 55, "Never Index Your Own Book," from Kurt Vonnegut's _Cat's Cradle_ (1963: Holt Rinehart Winston, NY). I've edited slightly, mostly to take out things that don't make sense till you read the whole book and to save myself carpal tunnel syndrome. [The narrator is on a plane en route for the Island of San Lorenzo and is reading a history of the island (major characters: the dictator Monzano and the rasta-Zen prophet Bokonon), written by Philip Castle, whose father founded the hospital called the House of Hope and Mercy in the Jungle.] As for the life of "Aamons, Mona," the index itself gave a jangling, surrealistic picture of the many conflicting forces that had been brought to bear on her and of her dismayed reactions to them. "Aamons, Mona," the index said, "adopted by Monzano in order to boost Monzano's popularity, 194-199, 216n.; childhood in compound of House of Hope and Mercy, 63-81; childhood romance with P. Castle, 72f; death of father, 89ff; death of mother, 92f; embarrassed by role as national erotic symbol, 80, 95f, 166 n, 209, 247n, 40-406, 566n, 678; engaged to P. Castle, 193; essential naivete, 67-71, 80, 95f, 16n, 209, 274n, 400-406, 56n, 678; lives with Bokonon, 92-98, 196-197; poems about, 2n, 26, 114, 119, 311, 316, 477n, 501, 507, 555n, 689, 718ff, 799ff, 800n, 841, 846ff, 908n, 971, 974; poems by, 89, 92, 193; returns to Monzano, 199; returns to Bokonon, 197; runs away from Bokonon, 199; runs away from Monzano, 197; tries to make self ugly in order to stop being erotic symbol to islanders, 80, 95f, 116n, 209, 247n, 400-46, 566n, 678; tutored by Bokonon, 63-80; writes letter to United Nations, 200; xylophone virtuoso, 71." I showed this index entry to the Mintons, asking them if it didn't think it was an enchanting biography in itself, a biography of a reluctant goddess of love. I got an unexpectedly expert answer, as one does in life sometimes. It appeared that Claire Minton, in her time, had been a professional indexer. I had never heard of such a profession before... She said that indexing was a thing only the most amateurish author undertook to do for his own book. I asked her what she thought of Philip Castle's job. "Flattering to the author, insulting to the reader," she said. "In a hyphenated word," she said with the shrewd amiability of an expert, "_self-indulgent_. I'm always embarrassed when I see an index an author has made of his own work. It's a revealing thing... a shameless exhibition.... "He's obviously in love with this Mona Aamons Monzano... He has mixed feelings about his father... He's insecure... He'll never marry her... I've said all I'm going to say," she said. * * * Sometime later, Ambassador Minton and I met in the aisle of the airplane, away from his wife, and he showed me that it was important to him that I respect what his wife could find out from indexes. "You know why Castle will never marry the girl, even though he loves her, even though they grew up together?" he whispered... "Because he's a homosexual. She can tell that from the index, too." __________ --part0_912720936_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:45:41 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: periodical indexing Ellen, What type of materials did you find specifically about periodical indexing, or how did you go about searching them out? I am interested in this type of work & did not know of any materials available specific to that area. Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? (snip) > A few weeks ago there was some discussion about periodical indexing as a > source of ongoing, lower-pressured work. I have ordered some library > materials specifically about periodical and newspaper indexing, .... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:43:19 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: lit crit indexers: Shakespeare question >Should I index the Henry IV plays with the numbers first but not counted in >alphabetization? Is there some other standard for indexing these plays? The "Alphabetical List of Contents" of the Oxford Shakespeare (The Complete Works, Compact Edition, ed. Wells et al., 1993) lists the plays thus: Hamlet 1 Henry IV 2 Henry IV Henry V 1 Henry VI 2 Henry VI 3 Henry VI Henry VIII I'd recommend following this example, despite the discrepancy between the Henry VI entries and your author's usage for those plays. However, note also two other possible models. The index of S. Schoenbaum's Shakespeare's Lives (New edition, OUP, 1993) lists the plays in the same way as the Oxford Shakespeare, except that the entry for Henry VI does not distinguish the parts. Similarly in the index of The Age of Shakespeare: Volume 2 of the New Pelican Guide to English Literature (Revised and expanded edition, Penguin, 1982) the entries for Henry IV and Henry VI don't distinguish the parts, and the same thing is done under Marlowe for Tamburlaine. Simon Cauchi 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +647 854 9229 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Policies and procedures manual, writing and indexig Dear collective wisdom: A slightly indexing-related question (the subject document will have an index!): If you were going to write--from scratch--a policies and procedures manual for a small veterinary practice, where would you look for good examples/templates/etc? I've searched the Web, but haven't found anything that really excites me... mainly because I'm not willing to spend $500+ for software that helps organize procedures; the manual does not need to meet any strict ISO-like standards. The manual will cover only the dermatology service of a large practice, although if the format and the execution work well I can imagine other services in the practice wanting a similar manual. The manual will be indexed, and although it will start out as hard-copy only, my secret plan(!) is to get it online soon, so the format needs to lend itself to conversion to online format. I'm envisioning a single document that can be printed in various formats: a 3-hole punched manual; individual procedures printed on laminated 5x8 cards; intranet pages with appropriate links; single-page handouts for students. Thoughts on format or writing process? References to resources? Examples of your favorite hard-copy or online procedures manual? MS-Word or MS-Publisher templates? As an experienced professional tech writer, I can start from scratch, design my formats, create my templates, etc., etc., but I'm hoping for a little head start here, especially since this is strictly a labor of love. :-) Thx. -- Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 mailto:norcross@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:16:55 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Policies and procedures manual, writing and indexig In-Reply-To: <199812041351.FAA11112@decibel.electriciti.com> Ann clearly is on top of her project with a practical vision of beyond-traditional usage for procedures. (I apologize in advance for typos that get through--my favored keyboard is at the office where I am working on a special project.) I recently copyedited a handbook on clinical practicum for speech-language pathology. It provided an excellent view of professional best practice. Perhaps a search at a medical school library could bag a book on dermatology residency (surely hospital-based, but could have some tips). The members of the service must surely be members or diplomates of professional societies. The professional groups are increasingly involved in support of members' practices--you could log on to special resources at dermatology sites through memberships of your clients. Have fun with it, Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:27:35 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Policies and procedures manual, writing and indexig In-Reply-To: <199812041344.IAA11506@mail1.bellsouth.net> |Dear collective wisdom: | |If you were going to write--from scratch--a policies and |procedures manual for a small veterinary practice, where would |you look for good examples/templates/etc? I've searched the Web, |but haven't found anything that really excites me... mainly |because I'm not willing to spend $500+ for software that helps |organize procedures; the manual does not need to meet any strict |ISO-like standards. |Ann Norcross Ann, I've done two ISO-9000 procedures manuals for smallish companies, and there's at least one excellent book that told me most of what I didn't already know: Wieringa, Douglas. Procedure Writing: Principles and Practices. (1993 -- forgot the publisher, sorry) Procedures is procedures, and even if you're not doing ISO work, the principles are the same; you can adapt or delete as necessary. Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:39:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Re: Policies and procedures manual, writing and indexig Pam Rider wrote: > > Ann clearly is on top of her project with a practical vision of > beyond-traditional usage for procedures. (I apologize in advance for typos > that get through--my favored keyboard is at the office where I am working > on a special project.) > > I recently copyedited a handbook on clinical practicum for speech-language > pathology. It provided an excellent view of professional best practice. > Perhaps a search at a medical school library could bag a book on > dermatology residency (surely hospital-based, but could have some tips). > The members of the service must surely be members or diplomates of > professional societies. The professional groups are increasingly involved > in support of members' practices--you could log on to special resources at > dermatology sites through memberships of your clients. > > Have fun with it, Thanks, Pam. Medical library is a good idea. Your post also helped me to clarify what it is, exactly, that I'm looking for. I think the subject of the manual (vet derm) is less an issue than the mechanics of producing it. (I live with the Dermatology Vet Tech, so I have access to a primary source for technical info on what exactly the procedures are). And I also think, if I'm being honest, that I didn't feel like sitting down with a pencil and a piece of paper and starting to plan the project! Email "consultation with colleagues" is much more fun :-). Ann -- Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 mailto:norcross@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:43:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Re: Policies and procedures manual, writing and indexig Michael K. Smith wrote: > > |Dear collective wisdom: > | > |If you were going to write--from scratch--a policies and > |procedures manual for a small veterinary practice, where would > |you look for good examples/templates/etc? I've searched the Web, > |but haven't found anything that really excites me... mainly > |because I'm not willing to spend $500+ for software that helps > |organize procedures; the manual does not need to meet any strict > |ISO-like standards. > > > > |Ann Norcross > > Ann, I've done two ISO-9000 procedures manuals for smallish companies, and > there's at least one excellent book that told me most of what I didn't > already know: > > Wieringa, Douglas. Procedure Writing: Principles and Practices. (1993 Thanks; amazon.com came through, as always. There's now a 1998 edition. I also found "Standards for Online Communication : Publishing Information for the Internet/World Wide Web/Help Systems/Corporate Intranets" by Joann T. Hackos, Dawn M. Stevens. Joann Hackos is the author of another book I own, "Managing Your Documentation Projects." It is excellent. Ann -- Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 mailto:norcross@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:12:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jackie West Subject: Publisher info <> I just recently joined the indexing list and am enjoying it. The reference to the book mentioned by another member caught my eye, and I can pass on the publisher's info that I have on a pamphlet here in my office. The book is: Procedure Writing: Principles and Practices (Second Edition) by D. Wierenga, C. Moore, and V. Barnes. It's described as soft cover, 232 pages, copyright 1998, and ISBN 1-57477-052-7. Price is $34.95. The publisher is: Battelle Press 505 King Avenue Columbus, OH 43201-2693 and here's a toll-free number to them: 1-800-451-3542. Their e-mail address (I just spotted this!) is press@battelle.org Best wishes, Jackie West Jackie West GTE Internetworking, "Powered by BBN" Senior Editor 150 CambridgePark Drive jwest@bbn.com Cambridge, MA 02140 http://www.bbn.com (617) 873-4454 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:42:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Moderator traveling again. Hi all, I want to inform you that I will be away from my computer for three weeks starting next Thursday, December 10. Since three weeks is too long to leave the listserv to its own devices, I have asked one of my colleagues to keep a eye on things. Her name is Mary Harper mharper@binghamton.edu. Mary has extensive experience in listserv management and is the co-moderator of kidlit-l. Mary will serve as the contact person in my absence. She probably will not monitor the discussion but will keep an eye on behind-the-scenes bounced messages, etc. She will also be there to assist with your problems if you contact her directly. Since Mary will not be monitoring the discussion, she will not see those questions that come to the list about unsubscribing, setting to digest, etc. I need a volunteer to do this. There are several of you who already do this occasionaly, but it would be good to have someone that we know is looking out for this type of inquiry. If you think you will be around for most of the next three weeks and would be willing to do this, please let me know privately. This is getting to be a long message, but I do want to share with you the reason for my impending absence. We have a daughter who is serving in the Peace Corps in Namibia (in Southern Africa) and we are going to spend the Holidays with her. This a a big-deal trip for us, as I am sure you can imagine. I can hardly contain my excitement! You are all invited for the slide show upon my return 8-). Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:45:12 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Re: periodical indexing Hello, Ann, Thank you for voicing this question. If you get any applicable responses that do not get posted, could you share them? TIA. Toni Williams towilliams@procyongroup.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Truesdale [SMTP:Anntrue@AOL.COM] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 1:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: periodical indexing > > Ellen, > What type of materials did you find specifically about periodical > indexing, or > how did you go about searching them out? I am interested in this type of > work > & did not know of any materials available specific to that area. > > Ann > > > (snip) > > A few weeks ago there was some discussion about periodical indexing as a > > source of ongoing, lower-pressured work. I have ordered some library > > materials specifically about periodical and newspaper indexing, .... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:14:52 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: we have a volunteer Melinda Davis has volunteered to respond to misplaced inquiries posted to the list. Thanks Melinda! I will send another reminder of my absence next week..for new subscribers or those who just need a reminder. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:59:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: index-l archives Hi all, I am pleased to announce that the index-l archives have a new home. Llana Kingsley made the generous offer of providing a home on the server of the School of Information and Library Science at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. This is still a work in progress. The archives are up and Llana expects to have the search engine functioning soon. The URL is http://ils.unc.edu/index-list/ Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:19:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Anna Biunno This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE1FDC.899EBB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone on the list have Anna Biunno's e-mail address? You can = e-mail me privately if you do. Thanks, Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE1FDC.899EBB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE1FDC.899EBB60-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:17:47 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Walker, Alvin" Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Anna Biunno I am out of the office until Monday, December 14. See Renee Mason for assistance.. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:04:03 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Owens Subject: Indexing book titles I need some advice regarding the indexing of book titles. I am indexing a journal with a large number of book titles and titles of articles. Space for this index is very limited. Some of the titles are long, and the book/ article is written by more than one person. For example, this is one such: Shevrin, Howard; Bond, James A.; Brakel, Linda A.W.; Hertel, Richard K. and Williams, William J., "Conscious and Unconscious Processes: Psychodynamic, Cognitive and Neurophysiological Convergences" (reviewed Susan Vaughan) 197-200. Now this title is going to take up at least 7 lines of the index. If I were then to repeat this entry another 4 times with Bond, Brakel, Hertel and Williams respectively at the beginning, and then again with the title in front - that would mean that I have used 42 lines for this one item! What is the most economical, and acceptable way of indexing this? My view is that for the second and subsequent authors, to index thus: Bond James A see Shevrin et al Hertel, Richard K. see Shevrin et al Williams, William J. see Shevrin et al I am also thinking that I will not have a separate entry for the title, but just index the contents; thus for example I would possibly have as one heading: conscious and unconscious processes, research into 197-200 The reviewer, I think I will index thus Vaughan, Susan, book review 197-200 I would be very grateful for any comments Kind regards Richard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:59:43 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Indexing book titles In-Reply-To: <199812051329.FAA10411@decibel.electriciti.com> At 01:04 PM 12/5/98 -0000, Richard asked about:: > >My view is that for the second and subsequent authors, to index thus: >Bond James A see Shevrin et al >Hertel, Richard K. see Shevrin et al >Williams, William J. see Shevrin et al >I am also thinking that I will not have a separate entry for the title, but >just index the contents; thus for example I would possibly have as one >heading: >conscious and unconscious processes, research into 197-200 >The reviewer, I think I will index thus >Vaughan, Susan, book review 197-200 > With ideal circumstances, I strongly believe that *all* authors should be separately listed. That appears to not be an option for Richard, who makes the best of a difficult choice. I would not, however, expect readers/users to seek out the name of a book reviewer, who would be well-identified on locating the book or article. Why keep a listing with secondary involvement after sacrificing persons with primary involvement (et al. authors)? Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:14:29 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: Indexing book titles Ideally, of course, all authors would be listed but obviously space constraints don't always allow for the ideal. I would not, however, eliminate the book reviewer's name. Whether the reviewer has written several paragraphs or several pages (as in this cite), he/she should be listed as well. This is in fact standard, from what I've seen. There are several arguments for this, but one in particular is that I might be a reader who wants to know everything that an individual (maybe a top scholar) has written in a journal--and that would include articles as well as book reviews. After all, academic book reviews aren't always just (and, I think, shouldn't be) just a listing/review of what's in a book. A good book review is a thoughtful consideration of what's in a book from the reviewer's perspective and this often places a book within the context of other published books in that field as well as what's going on or being discussed in a field that might be so new that there hasn't been a lot published on that issue yet. I think also of *Reviews in American History,* a journal that is exactly that: a forum for thoughtful reviews of books. If the indexer eliminated book reviewers there, then there would be no authors of articles/reviews in that journal--only authors of books reviewed, which in this case is important but, given this journal's audience (and I suspect audiences for other book review forums), no more or less important that those writing the reviews. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:31:31 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Indexing book titles In-Reply-To: <199812051322.IAA00509@mail1.lig.bellsouth.net> You want to have at least one full-bore, complete bibliographical listing -- usually under either the first author's name or under the title entry itself. If space constraints don't allow you to include all authors, I would use just the first one + et al, with or without crossrefs. (This is just a more rigorous version of the library cataloging convention by which you list all authors up to three, and then use 'et al'... although that's probably changed since my cataloging days!) If you make entries for all authors, you could use a short version of the title under all but the first. (If a work has only two authors, BTW, I would include entries under both of them, not 'et al'...) And I would definitely include the reviewer under his own entry. In a learned journal, the reviewer is often a competing authority on the subject, and seeing what that person has to say about several other new books in his/her field over a period of time can be instructive for the reader. (The longer the span of years you're indexing, the more important this becomes.) Mike Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds |For example, this is one such: |Shevrin, Howard; Bond, James A.; Brakel, Linda A.W.; Hertel, Richard K. and |Williams, William J., "Conscious and Unconscious Processes: Psychodynamic, |Cognitive and Neurophysiological Convergences" (reviewed Susan Vaughan) |197-200. |Now this title is going to take up at least 7 lines of the index. If I |were then to repeat this entry another 4 times with Bond, Brakel, Hertel |and Williams respectively at the beginning, and then again with the title |in front - that would mean that I have used 42 lines for this one item! | |What is the most economical, and acceptable way of indexing this? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:46:55 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anna Biunno Subject: Re: Anna Biunno Kevin, You can find me at ABiunno@aol.com. Look forward to hearing from you. Anna Biunno ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:17:41 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM Subject: Re: The USDA Course? In a message dated 12/1/98 11:19:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, ibap@CRYSTALSYS.COM writes: << alerie - You can indeed sign up online, but the course itself is a paper one. They will send you the books and so forth, and you mail in the lessons. Iris >> Iris How do we sign up online? Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:44:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: The USDA Course Online Registration The URL for the course descriptions is http://grad.usda.gov/corres/corpro.html If you go there, and find the course you want to take (there are links at the top of the page) there is a link to "Register for this course" which curiously has the same URL - but I believe this is due to the use of frames. Anyway, this will give you a form to fill out. You can only really do it online with a credit card, but it is not a secure link. You can also register by phone, fax, etc., and all the info is there. Iris PDepri5514@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 12/1/98 11:19:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ibap@CRYSTALSYS.COM writes: > > << alerie - > > You can indeed sign up online, but the course itself is a paper one. They > will > send you the books and so forth, and you mail in the lessons. > > Iris >> > Iris > > How do we sign up online? > > Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:48:39 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Albee Subject: Popular Fiction - Readers' Advisory Tool Pages - Suggestions? Hi index-l folks, I'm polishing my 23 new Popular Fiction - Readers' Advisory Tool Pages at http://home.revealed.net/albee/pages/PopularFiction.html . I'd appreciate suggestions on your favorite sites which I may have missed. Thanks! Bye. John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:41:38 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: Medical dictionary This a kind of repeat message. Anyone out there on views on CDROM medical dictionaries. I've heard only one or two on Stedman's and none on Dorlands, and their ease of use compared to the book. I've used a book for years but I appear to have a bit of a shoulder problem lugging it up and down 50+ or whatever times a day (so says my orthopaedic specialist!) If you have any views, please mention how good they are at mentioning the synonymous terms, and in cross-referencing from those synonymous terms in the dictionary to the chosen term. -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:54:26 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Isabel Holroyd Subject: online thesauri Hi there I'm new to this list, so I can only hope that this is the right place for the following query. . . what do people perceive as the current state of play with regard to online thesaurus-based indexed search-&-retrieval structures? do they exist in an adequate form, are some better than others, and do they incorporate ISO standards and principles etc? secondly, do people perceive metadata structures such as Dublin Core as being adequate index-retrieval structures, or as a separate animal altogether? I am interested in the views of this community! many thanks in advance for any replies Isabel Holroyd Isabel M Holroyd Senior Bibliographer British & Irish Archaeological Bibliography Institute of Archaeology 31-34 Gordon Square London WC1H 0PY tel no: 0171 380 7532 fax no: 0171 383 2572 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:23:13 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kim Harris Subject: Re: terms and conditions A lawyer-friend of mine has suggested that I ought to have some terms and conditions drawn up for new clients. At the moment, I just agree everything orally or over e-mail. I haven't had many problems but, as he says, I should want to keep it that way. I'm trying to think of what could be included. Does anyone else have a set of terms? I suppose extra premiums for urgency, special requirements to be notified in advance (I've indexed a couple of books when they told me they wanted something special (eg inclusion of non-obvious phrases) after I'd done the work so I've had to go through the book again). I'd appreciate any feedback. Kim ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:54:33 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Owens Subject: Re: Indexing book titles Thank you to all those who have responded to my query about indexing book titles. Your comments have been most helpful. Regards Richard