From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Wed Sep 16 15:48:24 1998 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:08:12 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9808E" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:43 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Software Needs Jenny, There is of course a difference between what one NEEDS and what one finds handy. I have two computers (PCs). If one crashes when I have a deadline, I can use my backup file and move to the other computer. You may find another way around that, if you have a relative or friend who is very generous in emergencies. I have CINDEX for indexing. I have WordPerfect and Word. In theory, one only needs one word processor, but the MS office suite came with one computer. I like Corel's office suite and was able to buy it very cheaply. I work for two editors who want files in MS Word for MAC, which MS Word for PC can produce, but WordPerfect cannot. Antivirus software. In theory that is all one should need. You should not have to spend a lot on software to start an indexing business. Shop around and you can find some great prices on word processing programs. Erin (Micki) Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:39:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges In-Reply-To: <199808281327.JAA24674@ulster.net> >Anyone know of a good place to buy laser printer cartridges? Thank you in >advance for your efforts. > Try www.mei-microcenter.com -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:11:19 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Stroup Subject: Eudora solution Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my Eudora Light version. What version are you using? Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:26:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Software Needs In-Reply-To: <199808290408.AAA25926@camel23.mindspring.com> At 12:07 AM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >Jenny, > >There is of course a difference between what one NEEDS and what one finds >handy. Agreed. > >Antivirus software. > >In theory that is all one should need. What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software: ISPs, e-mail, Web browser I agree that there is a basic set of tools required, but I think it's a little longer list. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:31:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Eudora solution In-Reply-To: <199808291114.HAA03036@camel26.mindspring.com> At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my >Eudora Light version. What version are you using? >Barbara Stroup Filtering is available in Eudora Pro Version 3. Version 4 is the current version. I have mine set up similar to Lynn's: Each listserv goes to its own mailbox, all my ASI board correspondence goes to its own mailbox, etc. Then, for instance, I can pay attention to INDEX-L but ignore mail from my motorcycle group. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:20:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: Eudora solution >>Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my >>Eudora Light version. What version are you using? >>Barbara Stroup > >Filtering is available in Eudora Pro Version 3. Version 4 is the current >version. I'm another big filtering fan, also using Eudora Pro. But my understanding= =20 is that recent versions of Eudora Lite also carry this feature (my husband= =20 is running one on his Mac). And if you're not wedded to Eudora, there's an alternative that also has=20 filters, among many other nice features (I test-drove it this summer on=20 another account, and am seriously considering switching over). It's called= =20 Pegasus Mail. I don't have an URL handy, but I'm sure you could track it=20 down on any of the excellent shareware/download sites that have already been= =20 mentioned. I think I got mine from TUCOWS. Regards, Ri=E7a ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:33:27 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lisa & Mark Costello Subject: Re: Eudora solution In-Reply-To: <199808291114.HAA22755@camel16.mindspring.com> Barbara, Eudora Light 3.0 has filtering capability. I don't know if it's still available from Qualcomm or not (I got it with my ISP sign-up package). Lisa Costello At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my >Eudora Light version. What version are you using? >Barbara Stroup > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:51:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: Re: Eudora solution In-Reply-To: <199808291114.HAA22755@camel16.mindspring.com> I have filtering with Eudora Light 3.0.1(32). You will be able to update yours at or , an excellent FAQ site that is everything you could want to know about Eudora. There are also some tips about using Eudora at and an MS to Eudora converter at . Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com At 07:11 AM 29-08-98 -0700, Barbara Stroup wrote: > Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my Eudora Light version. What version are you using? < ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:21:22 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Software Needs In-Reply-To: <199808290408.XAA02352@mixcom.mixcom.com> Thanks, Dick, for setting up a format for us! :-) I work on a Mac, so . . . Operating system: OS 8 Indexing: Cindex for Mac, 1.1 (used with OneClick, a utility for writing macros) Scheduling: Notify (freeware) Client database: InTouch 2.1 Backup: Diskfit Direct, by Dantz Web browser: Netscape 3.0 E-mail: Eudora Lite Word processing: MS Word 5.1a, for Mac HTML editor: HTML Web Weaver Lite (for my Web page) Virus checking: Virex (about to buy it) Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:22:35 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In a message dated 98-08-29 09:30:29 EDT, you write: << What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software: ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >> Anyone reading Index-L already has an ISP and e-mail. Invoicing software? I set up a template in WordPerfect and it is perfectly adequate. I file a copy. Financial software? I've been running my own businesses for 30 years and indexing is by far the easiest with regard to tracking finances. I also write applications (with MS Access) for medical businesses to track their clients and to conduct clinical studies. Now that can get complex! Maybe it is a matter of perspective, but invoicing and financial software for indexing is overkill. It might be fun to use invoicing and financial software. And some find it makes things easier. Necessary? Remember, the woman who asked the question is a beginner. She will not need to keep track of 50 indexes in the first year. I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't NEED it. Micki Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:12:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In-Reply-To: <199808292123.RAA11544@camel9.mindspring.com> At 05:22 PM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-08-29 09:30:29 EDT, you write: > ><< What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software: > ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >> > >Anyone reading Index-L already has an ISP and e-mail. Thus having an ISP and e-mail is a "need" and not a "want" and should be listed. > >Invoicing software? I set up a template in WordPerfect and it is perfectly >adequate. Does it give you totals for taxes? Track late payments? Summarize by client? I started the same way, but have long since outgrown that mode. >Financial software? I've been running my own >businesses for 30 years and indexing is by far the easiest with regard to >tracking finances. I use Quicken and consider it absolutely essential. > >It might be fun to use invoicing and financial software. And some find it >makes things easier. Necessary? Remember, the woman who asked the question >is a beginner. What she said was: "I was wondering what software is necessary to index, provide documents/files to clients, conduct business, etc." That's not the same as "What's the *least* I need?". I guess you could make the argument that all one "needs" is DOS and CINDEX. However, I'm of the opinion that things like virus checkers, backup software, etc. are neccesary for a business and her question is better answered by giving her a checklist of things to shoot for. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:44:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write: << << What about invoicing and financial software? What about Internet software: ISPs, e-mail, Web browser >> >> I use CINDEX for indexing the usual things. I have MicroSoft Office Pro 97, which gives me EXCEL, PowerPoint, and ACCESS as well as Word. I have WordPerfect because I still love it and use it first if I have a choice. I have Quicken for home and business, to keep track of invoices, and the expenses. I have files for the family budget in its own file so it's convenient to use it for business too. I have McAfee for virus checking. Like Micki, I use ACCESS to build applications, to keep track of the odd things I think up, like contact or project management and lists of all sorts. I'm more of a database person than a spreadsheet person. But I use Excel for data transfer from text formats. And I've used it to build the basis of indexes when pulling data from other databases in various formats. I'm trying to study Outlook (98's ordered on CD) to see if I can be more efficient, but because I like to play with software, I can't be sure that it would be better than a notebook, just more fun. I have WinFax Pro to handle my fax requirements. I bought FrontPage to work on a web page design or two. Going okay so far. On the totally illogical side, I have Sim Ant so I can build ant civilizations when real life gets too much. And PeaPod to get my groceries delivered when time is really short. My hard drive is too full, I need an upgrade, but I know I'd just fill it up with more stuff, probably not necessary stuff, but I can always find an excuse. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:57:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Eudora solution In-Reply-To: <199808291114.EAA26398@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> At 07:11 AM 8/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >Lynn - I'm impressed with that filtering capacity, but don't find it in my >Eudora Light version. What version are you using? >Barbara Stroup Hi Barbara, I'm using version 3.0.5(32). I think the "(32)" stands for 32-bit version. (I'm surprised. I just downloaded this version about 6 weeks ago, but folks are talking about version 4. Hmmmm.) Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:00:22 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: Eudora solution In-Reply-To: <199808291433.HAA24559@smtp3.teleport.com> >Barbara, Eudora Light 3.0 has filtering capability. I don't know if it's >still available from Qualcomm or not (I got it with my ISP sign-up package). > >Lisa Costello I liked Eudora Lite so much I bought the Pro version thinking I would like it even more - and, believe it or not, I do. Martha BWI ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:41:56 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In a message dated 98-08-28 08:36:03 EDT, Jonathan writes: << Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's really versatile, and it's free. >> I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP other than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and* hyperterminal all working. The wizards for setting up IN Explorer and Microsoft Network won't work; they either cannot locate the modem or tell me it is in use or not working, etc. I have talked to Dell, AOL, the modem maker, and three different ISP's without resolution of problem. I even called Microsoft support, figuring it was worth the $35 to get it fixed. After I described all the things that I had already tried, he suggested that I add an initialization string to my modem setup, but said maybe I was right when I said that, personally, I thought my computer was cursed. At least he did not charge me for the call, since the suggestion he gave made no difference! Then I tried upgrading to Win98. Nothing worked but AOL. My last tactic was to reformat my hard disk & load only Win95, with none of the Dell stuff except the video card driver. I thought maybe something Dell put in there might be the jinx (after all, I didn't get a modem with the computer since I already had an external one -- so much easier to replace when they get fried!). No help. I know AOL uses a non-DUN setup so it gets around whatever is the problem. But I can't use Outlook for e-mail, etc. from AOL. Finally I ditched Outlook completely, and at the moment my fax is working, or was the last time I used it. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any suggestions? After reading what Joathan says about Outlook 98, I'd sure like to get onto an ISP where I can use it to it's full potential. I don't like AOL's e-mail "file cabinet" either - no way to edit out all the sent/when/who garbage when you file messages received for future reference. Any help appreciated, Ann Truesdale PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is supposed to rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself at a rate about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. Then when you are forced to cold boot, it messes up your system but good. I had to wipe my hard disk clean after that experiment, not to mention the hard drive replacement soon after I got the computer. If anyone needs to know how to clean, repartition and reformat their hard drive, I'm the person to call for. I've had lots of practice! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:41:56 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: digest? In a message dated 98-08-28 12:00:21 EDT, Lynn writes: << Hi, I don't know if subscribing to the digest version will necessarily be the solution to your problem as it creates its own set of problems. >> I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome. I find it much easier to just delete messages individually when the thread is not of interest to me than to dig out the items I wanted to read from the digest. Lynn's formula for filtering mail into separate mailboxes sounds great to me. (I, also, have a nice hierachy of folders although I do my sorting manually at present.) Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:01 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In a message dated 98-08-29 18:16:17 EDT, you write: << What she said was: "I was wondering what software is necessary to index, provide documents/files to clients, conduct business, etc." That's not the same as "What's the *least* I need?". I guess you could make the argument that all one "needs" is DOS and CINDEX. However, I'm of the opinion that things like virus checkers, backup software, etc. are neccesary for a business and her question is better answered by giving her a checklist of things to shoot for. Dick >> A good point, Dick. How about an "essential", a "very useful" and a "nice to have" list? For the "essential" list, we could cut back to index cards, a typewriter, a phone and FedX service, but I assume we are considering doing a professional job in 1998, which is a lot different. Essential for me is: word processor dedicated indexing program internet & e-mail & fax(?) backup system virus protection I think the enquirer (sorry, I don't have your name from the original post) really was interested in what software indexers find useful. Anyone with the discrimination to be a successful indexer should be able to figure what is essential vs. frills. Being nit-picky is a valuable quality for an indexer, but let's not "dumb down" the replys too much, even for a beginner. ;-) Well, I've found *way* too much to comment on in this batch of mail. It is midnight & I'm turning in for the night. Sweet dreams, all. Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken) In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write: << I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't NEED it. Micki Taylor >> I agree that financial software is not a necessity for a start-up indexing business, but I have been using Quicken for years & would not even consider balancing my personal checkbook by hand anymore. It is a really good, easy-to- learn program and has always come with excellent manuals. I recently got Quicken Home & Business and have not used the invoicing part of it yet, but it looks adequatefor my needs. I used Quicken to handle my checking account & accounts payable for my former business (veterinary clinic), plus Quickpay for the payroll. It produced reports for my accountant and automatically wrote payroll checks, while generating a payroll tax report, too. I didn't need the invoicing & A/R functions since that was handled by a veterinary software package. I *love* this program! The cost is very reasonable too, unless you go up to Quickbooks, which is more than most indexers would need. Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:42:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Information managers - Outlook 98 In a message dated 98-08-28 09:23:42 EDT, you write: << One other thing that you might appreciate. I am not sure what the user's manual for Outlook 98 is like but it does have the Office assistants to help you or you can go out and buy one of a number of books on the subject. Elizabeth >> There is an Outlook 98 help file that can be downloaded from the Microsoft site. Has anyone used it? Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:16:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jill Barringer Subject: commercial ads -2 sides As one who is getting started in the strictest sense, meaning I am just about to sign up for the USDA course, I have found the listserv a way to begin networking as well as a way to learn about some of the indexer's tools. Therefore, in my naive opinion, I would not be opposed to seeing some brief and very focused advertising, be it products, courses or services. Perhaps some guidelines agreed upon by all and enforced by the moderator would keep it under control. There might be a middle ground here that makes sense and that is not offensive. Jill ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 07:23:01 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: commercial ads -2 sides In-Reply-To: <199808301227.FAA08432@decibel.electriciti.com> As I undertand it, the university hosting the list prohibits commercialism on the list. I am opposed to anything but pointers by folks advertising services or products, but think the question of overt commercialism has been decided for us by the rules of the institution providing the means of distributing the list. Pointers are announcements providing an @dress or other means for interested persons to discover more information. The WWW is filled with vendor information and it is very easy to search for. I continue to prefer that the list seek to maintain a collegial professional tone. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:34:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In-Reply-To: <199808300245.TAA24847@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> At 10:44 PM 8/29/98 EDT, Sharon wrote: > I bought FrontPage to work on a web page design or two. Going okay so far. Hi Sharon, Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I've been playing around in Netscape's Composer and indexed a book about FrontPage so long ago that I really don't remember enough to make a comparison. > > On the totally illogical side, I have Sim Ant so I can build ant >civilizations when real life gets too much. LOL! If I listed all the stuff I have for the same purpose, it would be wayyyy longer than my list for "software needs". I have a game called Creatures, which bills itself as the first commercial experiment in artificial life. Having been very interested in artificial life since indexing a book on it a few years ago, I keep telling myself that I'm conducting scientific inquiry, not playing a game, when I run it. ;-D And PeaPod to get my groceries >delivered when time is really short. My hard drive is too full, I need an >upgrade, but I know I'd just fill it up with more stuff, probably not >necessary stuff, but I can always find an excuse. Have you considered getting an Iomega Zip drive? Those things are fantastic for "extending" your hard disk. Not only are they great for backing up stuff (way better than a tape drive, IMHO), but with their good access speed, I use them as working disks (not just for archival and backup purposes). IOW, I access them just as I would the hard drive while working. Because they can hold 100Meg per disk, I save all kinds of things that I would have never considered putting on my hard disk. For example, in working on the CardioIndex, I save all the Web pages (including graphics) I want to add to the CardioIndex to my Zip drive for indexing offline. I've even created multi-Meg "paintings" in Corel Photopaint, something I would never have considered doing before I got a Zip drive. ;-D Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:57:54 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Organization: Researcher Writer Editor Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken) I've been using Quicken, too, for a few years. I use it for household and business accounting. The accounts are in the same file, and I simply make all the business accounts subsets of "business income" and "business expense" accounts. I made sure that the business expenses" include all the categories of home-office expenses recognized by Revenue Canada. Works for me--I haven't asked an accountant. But I'm slowly converting to "Managing your money", which my bank offers free with its online/internet access (also free). It's very convenient to download the bank transactions, instead of inputting them manually. Also, it seems to handle debt and credit better than Quicken. (But maybe that's more useful to me than it is to longer-established indexers! ;) Kate -- Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:01:58 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Organization: Researcher Writer Editor Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems Ann Truesdale wrote > PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is supposed to > rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself at a rate > about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly. (However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to prevent crashes. Kate -- Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:20:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken) In-Reply-To: <199808300444.AAA04295@mail4.bellsouth.net> |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Ann Truesdale |Sent: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:42 PM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken) | | |In a message dated 98-08-29 17:23:30 EDT, you write: | |<< I may try Quicken next year. It sounds like fun. But I know I don't | NEED it. | | Micki Taylor >> I've been using Quicken for about five years now and I know it's saved me an enormous amount of time and hassle. There's MY business and my personal finances (including several credit cards, personal and business), and there's my WIFE'S business and HER personal stuff (also including a separate business credit card), and then there's the JOINT account,... and there's my stepson and his college finances and all that. It also takes care of our rather widespread investments. You can flag various categories and sub-categories as tax-related, which makes it extremely simple to dump everything into TurboTax. It used to take me several weeks, part-time, to get our taxes ready; now we do it all by setting aside one Sunday afternoon. (And that includes state income taxes now.) Considering what an accountant would charge, and how little Quicken (and TurboTax) cost, this has edged up onto the "essential" list for me. Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:26:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In-Reply-To: <199808301612.MAA07579@mail1.bellsouth.net> Actually, I think every computer user eventually acquires his/her own personal crash syndrome. I've been using WordPerfect heavily since version 4.2 and I don't believe it has *ever* crashed on me, regardless of the model of system I was using it on. Microsoft Internet Explorer, OTOH, brings my system down regularly. (Netscape doesn't, so I try to stick to that for personal work, but I also teach an "Internet skills" class and I have to use both browsers for that.) I also frequently hear my wife muttering imprecations at Visual Basic on her Pentium laptop, but I've never had problems with that, so.... Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Kate Welsh |Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:02 AM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems | | |Ann Truesdale wrote | |> PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is |supposed to |> rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself |at a rate |> about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. | |Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship |with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly. |(However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious |plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does |this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more |crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to |prevent crashes. | |Kate | |-- |Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB |Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing |Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials | ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:00:06 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (Quicken) Indexing software: Macrex Word processor: Wordperfect 8.0 for Windows, Word 97 (just learning it) and I still have Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS, in which it's still easier to do multiple searches and replaces! I have my letterhead in here now. Desktop publishing: Publisher (I make my invoices in this, though I really should switch to either Wordperfect or Quicken; I use it more for homeschooling stuff) Financial: Quicken Home & Business (more notes on that below) And those are the programs I need for my business. I also have scanner software, Outlook 98 (which I don't use for email, just for notes and appointments--still playing with it but I've found it useful for reminders), Access (I have plans for a client/job database; right now most of that's on paper!). And I'm getting Riven for my birthday! But you know what? Until 1992 I ran my full-time indexing business on a 286 with a 20-meg hard drive, Macrex, and Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS. I wouldn't go back to that on purpose, but I could if I had to. Do Mi Kate wrote: << I've been using Quicken, too, for a few years. I use it for household and business accounting. The accounts are in the same file, and I simply make all the business accounts subsets of "business income" and "business expense" accounts. >> I also use Quicken for personal and business accounts, mixed together in the same datafile. I use classes to separate them. (Started out the way she describes.) In other words, Supplies: Office/Indexing is a business expense; Supplies: Office is personal office supplies that I'm not writing off. At tax time I make a report just for the Indexing class. This is especially helpful since my partner has a business too, and now my daughter has income and expenses from her book...I would not have wanted to do all this on paper! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:24:37 -0700 Reply-To: jlee@eskimo.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems Yes, I've had this experience. When I first got WP 6 for Windows, it seemed I couldn't keep it running. I eventually got 1st Aid for Windows and that at least halted the crash long enough to let me save my work before having to restart everything. WP 7 crashed less oftenand now the new WP 8 seems better "adjusted." I love the Perfect Expert! Creating professional-looking invoices is a snap. I got QuickBooks long ago for that but when I went to upgrade, they didn't have online banking in anything other than Quicken, so went back to that. Are the invoices in the newer QuickBooks better than before? I really am looking for a GOOD excuse to get QuickBooks now that they've added online banking. Jeri Lee > Has anyone else had this experience? I have a love/hate relationship > with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly. > (However, my theory is that Corel is an innocent victim of a nefarious > plot by Microsoft to make sure that every competitor's software does > this!) When I used Norton's Crashguard, it seemed that I had even more > crashes and more serious ones, even though Crashguard is supposed to > prevent crashes. > > Kate > > -- > Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB > Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing > Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In-Reply-To: <199808301612.MAA03121@camel5.mindspring.com> At 10:01 AM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >I have a love/hate relationship >with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly. What a coincidence. I just got off the phone with a friend who is trying to publish a newsletter with WordPerfect 5 under Win 95. He is having constant crashes, even though he has been using WP for a while. He was asking about switching to Word. Do you have any observations on what may cause problems with WP? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:20:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Hi Ann, See my mother message about your modem problems. In this one, I just want to commiserate with you about your Win98 upgrade. We didn't intend to upgrade to Win98, not wanting to be Bill Gates' beta testers, but were inadvertantly forced to when we bought new computers a few days after Win98 came out. (For some reason, I didn't think it was coming out until August.) Did we ever have problems! Programs that ran fine under Win95 constantly crashed. Even the applets that are part of the OS frequently crashed. It would even crash when shutting down Windows!!!! Bob decided to run Win98's disk defragmenter on his machine. It totally screwed up the folder/directory structure to the point where he couldn't access any of his files and he ended up having to totally reformat his hard drive, losing three years worth of Netscape bookmarks in the process. One fine day, my system wouldn't boot at all until we reinstalled Win98 (and then all of the programs so they'd have blasted registry entries). Finally, someone on another list told me that folks who had these problems solved them by installing more RAM. Even though we already had 64Meg on each machine, we bought more RAM bringing it up to 128Meg on each machine. Bingo! It solved most of the problems. The weird thing that we noticed, when installing the additional RAM was that if Toshiba DIMMs were put into slot 0 (or whatever the first slot is numbered), the system wouldn't boot at all. We suspect that there is some slight incompatibility of the Toshiba DIMMs with Win98 (being that all the RAM passes the POST test when we boot and the Toshiba DIMMs test out OK on the test gig in the store). But by installing a lot of non-Toshiba RAM, the OS seems to be able to get around whatever problem it has with the Toshiba RAM. Weird, eh? (This is not to say that the current build of Win98 isn't buggy. It still is, but now it only causes crashes maybe twice a day instead of ten times a day. The other day, it suddenly decided to totally reboot my system while I was online!) The main advantages I've found to Win98 is that the OS can address far bigger partitions than Win95 (our 6.4Gig drives are a single partition). With the CD-ROM, Zip, floppy and network drives, this is no small consideration not having to create additional logical drives by partitioning. Plus, it comes with cool desktops and screen savers. ;-D Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:08:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Hi Ann, I discussed your modem problems with my husband, being that he upgraded the modem in one of our old computers successfully under Win95. Being that you are using an external modem, you may be having a COM port conflict. Bob said that external modems usually plug into COM 3, a DB-25 connector (looks like your printer connector, but of the opposite gender). However, usually your mouse uses COM 1 and you'll get conflicts when both COM 1 and 3 are used. (The same thing happens with COMS 2 and 4). I think it's because they share IRQs (and changing them requires going into your CMOS, a task not for the faint of heart). The reason why AOL works and nothing else seems to be that AOL uses it's own drivers, auto-seeks port assignments, etc. But Windows 9x, you have to do all of this stuff manually (especially being that most of Microsoft's "Wizards" strike me as being particularly moronic). Anyway, if indeed your modem is plugged into COM 3, you may be able to resolve the problem by assigning your mouse to COM 2. This isn't a hard reassignment (by plugging it in elsewhere), but a soft assignment. But, before playing around with your mouse's COM port reassignment, you may want to write down the various keyboard commands for moving around in Windows in case the mouse reassignment doesn't work (so you'll be able to get it back to where it was if your mouse stops working). Go into the Windows Control Panel, select System, then select Mouse. And, oops, while checking this on my own system, while writing this, I found that mine says I have a hardware conflict. ;-D (But my modem and mouse work fine, so I'll leave it alone, writing it off as one of those spurious weird messages you get in Windows sometimes. I have a Kensington Expert Mouse, trackball, and it uses the PS/2 port, so that's probably why I'm getting a weird message.) Anyway, before going on any further, I realize that there are so many variables in this that it may be best if you wrote me offlist telling me your COM port settings. (Check under System as I said above, then check the Device Manager settings under Modem and under Mouse, being careful to Cancel out of the dialog box without changing anything.) Then maybe Bob and I can help you sort out the problem. BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.) Lynn At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote: >I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a >chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP other >than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and* >hyperterminal all working. > >The wizards for setting up IN Explorer and Microsoft Network won't work; they >either cannot locate the modem or tell me it is in use or not working, etc. I >have talked to Dell, AOL, the modem maker, and three different ISP's without >resolution of problem. I even called Microsoft support, figuring it was worth >the $35 to get it fixed. After I described all the things that I had already >tried, he suggested that I add an initialization string to my modem setup, but >said maybe I was right when I said that, personally, I thought my computer was >cursed. At least he did not charge me for the call, since the suggestion he >gave made no difference! > >Then I tried upgrading to Win98. Nothing worked but AOL. My last tactic was to >reformat my hard disk & load only Win95, with none of the Dell stuff except >the video card driver. I thought maybe something Dell put in there might be >the jinx (after all, I didn't get a modem with the computer since I already >had an external one -- so much easier to replace when they get fried!). No >help. > >I know AOL uses a non-DUN setup so it gets around whatever is the problem. But >I can't use Outlook for e-mail, etc. from AOL. Finally I ditched Outlook >completely, and at the moment my fax is working, or was the last time I used >it. > >Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any suggestions? After reading what >Joathan says about Outlook 98, I'd sure like to get onto an ISP where I can >use it to it's full potential. I don't like AOL's e-mail "file cabinet" either >- no way to edit out all the sent/when/who garbage when you file messages >received for future reference. > >Any help appreciated, > >Ann Truesdale > >PS. Whatever you do, don't try to use McAfee's PC Medic. It is supposed to >rescue you from Win95 crashes. What it actually does is crash itself at a rate >about 10 times the rate you had been crashing before. Then when you are forced >to cold boot, it messes up your system but good. I had to wipe my hard disk >clean after that experiment, not to mention the hard drive replacement soon >after I got the computer. If anyone needs to know how to clean, repartition >and reformat their hard drive, I'm the person to call for. I've had lots of >practice! > > *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:44:47 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: digest? In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03704@mail-gw.pacbell.net> At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote: >I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome. I find it much >easier to just delete messages individually when the thread is not of interest >to me than to dig out the items I wanted to read from the digest. Lynn's >formula for filtering mail into separate mailboxes sounds great to me. (I, >also, have a nice hierachy of folders although I do my sorting manually at >present.) Hi Ann, That was the same problem I had when I was an AOL subscriber, having to manually sort mail into a nice hierarchy of folders. And because it was so tedious, I often didn't do it until my In box became so huuuuge that I'd spend entire days just sorting and deleting mail. I think this has something to do with the fact we're all indexers, as Dick too has said he uses Eudora to sort his mail into a folder hierarchy. ;-D The question is no longer whether we indexers alphabetize our spices (which, for me, is impossible to maintain with three other people going into the pantry), but whether we "hierarchize" our mail folders and Web bookmark/favorites folders. ;-D (Yes, I know "hierarchize" is not a word. It should be as in Italian, which has the nice verb gerachizzare meaning exactly that.) Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:51:53 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Spencer Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes Glad to say, I haven't experienced the crashes that others have. That makes me suspicious that it is the "system" and not WordPerfect. I have worked with WordPerfect since 1987. Used in both DOS and Windows environments, and on many different computers. No problems. Dawn ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:14:10 -0400 Reply-To: kbokeefe@ncounty.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kb Okeefe." Subject: USDA course Hi Jill, I too am considering registering soon for the USDA course. I took a local indexer's one day training course a couple of years ago, (I also bought her software - which is DOS-based.) I'm not sure if any of the other indexing software out there is Windows-based, so I will look into that as I go along. I've been intermittently trying to get jobs by sending letters to publishers, without any success. After reading the posts on this list, I don't feel prepared enough to do a good job so I'm trying to organize my life enough to have time to devote to this course, which I recently learned about. Good luck to you. Would love to hear how it goes for you. Kathy O'K ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:05:09 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems In-Reply-To: <199808300444.VAA03627@mail-gw.pacbell.net> At 12:41 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Ann wrote: >In a message dated 98-08-28 08:36:03 EDT, Jonathan writes: > ><< > Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile > Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's > really versatile, and it's free. >> > >I downloaded the Outlook 98, but did not work with it much since I have a >chronic problem with my Dell computer -- I can't get online with any ISP other >than AOL. If I am lucky I can get the fax to work. Once, I had AOL, fax *and* >hyperterminal all working. Hi Ann (again ;-D) Yiiikes! When I uploaded my other message on your Outlook 98/modem problems, the following downloaded from the PC-SOFT list where a somewhat similar thread happens to be going. I don't know if any of this will help, but there's some spooky similarities here.--Lynn ************************ (text of PC-SOFT message) "I had similar problem (MS Fax not working in Win95B), on a Dell Dimension 233 (probably same as your friend's). If he has Outlook 97 or 98 as well as IE4.0 or IE 4.01, it may not be hardware. When installing or upgrading IE, you have to UNINSTALL Outlook, install IE, and reinstall Outlook with its upgrades after that, in order to have MS Fax work. I solved the problem by going through a complete uninstall of both IE and Outlook and reinstalling both, in that order. :-( I am not sure whether there is a knowledge base article on it, but there should be!" ************************************* *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:42:30 -0700 Reply-To: jlee@dbic.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Outlook 98 & modem problems Lack of memory probably. I used to use WP 5.1 for an archery club newsletter and the more graphics I used the worse it ran until it finally crashed. Your friend could try fewer graphics and/or more memory. Jeri Lee Richard Evans wrote: > At 10:01 AM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I have a love/hate relationship > >with WordPerfect. I love the way it works, but it crashes regularly. > > What a coincidence. I just got off the phone with a friend who is trying > to publish a newsletter with WordPerfect 5 under Win 95. He is having > constant crashes, even though he has been using WP for a while. He was > asking about switching to Word. > > Do you have any observations on what may cause problems with WP? > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:15:28 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Software NEEDS (TurboTax) In a message dated 98-08-30 12:23:38 EDT, you write: << Considering what an accountant would charge, and how little Quicken (and TurboTax) cost, this has edged up onto the "essential" list for me. >> I really like TurboTax, but found the California state version was a waste of money. Other state versions may be useful. The federal version is excellent. Micki Taylor To paraphrase Michael's wonderful tag line: <> We become dependant on our luxuries so rapidly. What did we do 20 years ago? Just to show you where I am: I use a solar clothes drier (clothes line). I will soon be running my 486 and my Pentium off solar power on my farm, which is off the grid. I have a 58 year old husband who won't give up his 286. I drive a 20 year old Toyota. But I love Access 95 and 97 and Visual Basic. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:19:33 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Parks Subject: Fall Indexing Workshop, New Mexico FALL INDEXING WORKSHOP The New Mexico A to Zia Indexers Chapter of ASI will hold their fall inde= xing workshop from 9:30 am to 4:30 pm on Saturday, October 3rd, at the NM State Library= in Santa Fe. The day will include a tour of the new State Library given by A to Zia me= mber Nancy Fischer, and a trip to the Santa Fe Public Library=92s Festival of the Bo= ok, as well as a group indexing exercise in the morning and demonstrations of indexing sof= tware by group members in the afternoon. We=92ll work together in the morning to create index entries for the arti= cle, =93Indexing Books on Latin American History,=94 by A to Zia Chair Francine Cronshaw (= in ASI=92s booklet "Indexing Specialties: History," included as part of the registration fee= ). After lunch, three members will type the morning=92s index entries into each of the =93= big three=94 indexing programs (Macrex, Cindex, and SKY Index), and along the way, they=92ll sh= ow us all the nifty things they do with their software to edit and format their indexes. Schedule: 9:00 =96 9:15 Registration; coffee and tea will be available 9:15 =96 10:00 Tour of the State Library (http://www.stlib.state.nm.us/= ) 10:00 =96 12:00 Index =93Indexing Books on Latin American History=94 arti= cle as a group 12:00 =96 2:30 Carpool to downtown Santa Fe for lunch and a visit to th= e Festival of the Book (http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfpl/festival.html) 2:30 =96 4:30 Indexing software demonstration and comparison Registration is $35 for ASI members and $40 for non-members, and includes= a copy of ASI=92s booklet "Indexing Specialties: History". A $5 late fee will be charged f= or registrations postmarked after September 15th. Contact Caroline Parks (505-286-2738; cparks@mindspring.com) for more information, or fill out the registration= form below and mail it with your check to Nancy Ford, 66 Skyland, Tijeras, NM 87059. Be sure to check out the schedule for the Festival of the Book (Web addre= ss above). There are lots of exciting events and author appearances, including a poetry re= ading by Joy Harjo on Friday night! _________________________________________________________________________= __________ A TO ZIA INDEXERS FALL INDEXING WORKSHOP ***** REGISTRATION FORM Name __________________________________________________ Phone _________= _____________ Address ________________________________________________ Email ________= _______________ _____________________________________________________________ ASI member? (yes) _______ (no) _________ Please enclose: $35 for ASI members $40 for non-members $5 extra for registrations postmarked after 9/15 Mail to: Nancy Ford 66 Skyland Tijeras, NM 87059 ____________________________ Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence Indexing and Editorial Services Tijeras, NM 505-286-2738 cparks@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:30:18 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Organization: Researcher Writer Editor Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes Dawn Spencer wrote > Glad to say, I haven't experienced the crashes that others have. That makes me > suspicious that it is the "system" and not WordPerfect. I've tried several ways to clean up my system, including, horribly, intentionally formatting my c: drive. (Horrible, because then I had to re-install every program-- which I knew would happen-- but wouldn't it make a LOT of sense if WIN95 would just search the computer for installed programs (I keep mine on Drive D:) and rebuild its own *!~** registry?!? ) I've just downloaded a new patch for WordPerfect 8, and I live in hope. Kate -- Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Policies - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:43:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Staying sane (software games) Do Mi wrote: > And I'm getting Riven for my birthday! And someone else (sorry; itchy delete finger) mentioned SimAnt and Creature...Boy, I wish I had time to play games! I still haven't completed Myst. Of course, by the time I get around to Riven, it will be "way cheap," which is some consolation! My secret vices are Solitaire and FreeCell...I pull them up when I'm waiting for something to print, downloading email, or need a five-minute break from the latest Third World hotspots, which seem to be my current specialty. (Oh, for a nice, upbeat book on dance or music or something! Just for a change...) They are, unfortunately, addictive, so I'm learning to set a timer to keep me to that five-minute margin. (And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.) Kara Pekar jkpekar@crosslink.net 8112 Harrison Dr. King George, VA 22485 540-775-3012 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:12:03 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles Kara wrote: << And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.) >> This is probably a little off-topic for a long discussion (I don't know, is it?) so I just asked the person I wrote a very long letter about it to to forward it to you. (Love those prepositions!) Anyway, the short answer is, with some difficulty but we're managing. I'm in charge from 8-3:30, my partner from then till bedtime, so I do a lot of indexing in the afternoon and evening (not my most alert times, unfortunately), and weekends. My daughter's office is in the same room as mine, and she works independently in the morning while I index and do phone calls (getting interrupted a lot). I do projects and field trips with her in the afternoons. The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with that issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time (I'm such a bad parent, I told Alex to wait till later to have that math problem explained because I'm on a deadline...^or^ I'm such a bad business person, I'm ignoring the six jobs on my desk and explaining math problems to my kid...) I'm thinking about getting two actual HATS and switching them to remind me which one I'm supposed to be doing at any given moment... My partner and I played Myst (and Connections by James Burke) together in the evenings instead of watching TV. That's the plan for Riven too. Gearing up for the fall now! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:52:06 +0100 Reply-To: liza.weinkove@zen.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Liza Weinkove Subject: Re: Software needs I'm still using a version of Quickbooks that I've had for several years (Quickbooks 2 for Windows 3.1) that has to have a special fix to make it work in Windows 95. I've grown very attached to it - it has several features that I like very much - one in particular is the Reports feature, which can show me my profit and loss figures for the year-to-date, and also run a comparison over the same period of the previous year. It pops up little reminders when invoices are overdue, and I can see instantly how much money I'm owed. I also have Quicken for my personal finances, but prefer to stick with Quickbooks for my business stuff. I can't decide whether or not to upgrade to a more recent version of Quickbooks - the "enhancements" don't seem to be very worthwhile. The only thing I dislike about it is the design of the invoices - I _have_ to use VAT (valued added tax - a sales tax) invoices, even though I don't charge VAT. Liza Weinkove liza.weinkove@zen.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:45:48 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles << The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with that issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>> I'm homeschooling, too, and I know exactly what you mean! Even though we just started formally homeschooling this summer with 1st grade, I have had this same problem with role switching and guilt ever since my kids (now 3 and 6) were babies. It was especially hard the 2 years I was working on a book. I will never forget when Michael was 3, and he was coloring at his little desk. I said, "OK, time to go do such-and-such." He looked up at me with this expression of strained patience and said in a tight little voice, "I am TRYING to work here!" How strange to hear myself coming out of somebody else! Hey, I feel guilty right now--my kids are plugged into Rugrats so that I can have a few moments to myself to check my email! :) Bonnie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:28:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peter Rooney Subject: Re: digest? You (Ann Truesdale) wrote: > I tried the digest for a while and found it very cumbersome. My experience is different. Having been learned off the DIGEST command recently by Charlotte Skuster, I find it indispensable. Advantages: 1) you get only one message per day from the indexer list, not twenty 2) therefore, your other email messages don't get buried 3) it was quite easy to crash the ISP after a few weeks of not weeding out, and finding yourself unable to retrieve ANY email. With a digest, you read it and delete it. 4) I find it much easier to scan a single message than to open up 20 messages individually. Especially if the Subject lines of those messages are unhelpfully vague. 5) I print the digest (it's usually 10 or 20 pages) and then it's even easier to scan / speedread. After all, paper is an easier read than the screen. Disadvantages: 1) It's somewhat more difficult to respond immediately to a given message. You need to go out of your way to send it and add the To:, Subject:, and "you wrote" lines. But maybe that's good - it reduces the "shoot from the hip" response. 2) That's it for disadvantages. *** Charlotte, could you repeat for the List the instruction for getting the digest? It's not in the FAQ. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:37:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: digest? In-Reply-To: <199808311332.JAA03449@library.lib.binghamton.edu> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Peter Rooney wrote: > Charlotte, could you repeat for the List the instruction for getting > the digest? It's not in the FAQ. > Sure. Send the following message to listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu set index-l digest put nothing else in the body of the message and leave the subject line blank. If/when you want to return to individual messages send the message: set index-l nodigest Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:57:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Panning for gold Coming across the occasional fleck of gold is one of the things that makes indexing fun for me: "Charlene Avallone suggests that _Pierre_'s [Melville] style was not as aberrant as it might seem to twentieth-century readers . . . . Avallone's point is well-taken, yet _Pierre_ still seems, well, aberrant." Sorry if that doesn't strike you as exquisite. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:41:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen Babbitt Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles Bonnie Taylor wrote: > > << The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with > that > issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of > indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and > resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other > half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>> > > Yes, I also find it stressful to switch between my roles as a freelance copyeditor, supportive friend, caretaker of animals, sole maintainer of a household and human being (me), etc. The time as I'm leaving one arena and just entering the next are the bumpiest for me. I work with this by striving to remember the Zen principle of being completely in the moment. I try to be as fully aware of where I am and what I'm doing as I can be. Often I do a grounding exercise that I find helpful. I take stock of what is happening through all my senses: "I'm doing the dishes, the water is warm, I feel the sun on my back, I hear the crickets out my back door, I smell the tomatoes that rotted before I could eat them :), I enjoy doing this task well." This exercise usually leads me to a great sense of pleasure that I am in this moment at this time; a feeling that overrides all worries about money, time management, getting new clients, etc. I invariably remember exactly why I chose to work at home and that I would not change my life for anything (at least not for now). Sort of brings me in contact with joy. Also, a cat usually comes to sit near me to grace the moment when I do this exercise. Those of you who are balancing freelance work with child care have my greatest respect. As a former historian of women, I can tell you that there is a long tradition in this country of women (and some men) working for wages at home so that they could care for children. But it's only been in recent decades that this choice has been made to enhance the quality of life of the family; usually it was done in order to survive (as in not starve). I hear some of you saying that this choice brings stresses of its own, but I can't help but believe that the choice enriches the lives of your children. Anyway, my $.02. Kathy Babbitt kbab@northnet.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:55:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles The juggling of roles that having a home-based business entails continues even for those of us not involved in homeschooling or even for those of us who don't have children at home any more. Even with the best of situations, a spouse will wander into the office in the middle of his day off or on a working evening and "need you", and the other (home) phone can ring with a parent or child on the other end -- not to mention the ever-present salespeople/canvassers. There are no end to interruptions, and some, such as spouse, require you to take the Indexer/Businessperson hat off and put the Wife hat on. And .... needless to say ... it isn't easy to discipline oneself to stay out of the office in the evenings if a project is on deadine or particularly interesting. I do it many evenings. Since I love what I do it isn't a problem for me, but I do try to remember to be self-aware enough to keep a decent Quality of Life, and not work all the time. A blurring of roles and lines there too. The roles overlap and the lines blur very easily for many of us, I'm afraid. But that is the problem, and the joy, of working out of the home. There are advantages, many of them. And disadvantages. My take on things .......... Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:02:48 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles In a message dated 8/31/98 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kbab@NORTHNET.ORG writes: << Often I do a grounding exercise that I find helpful. >> I could use some grounding! I was trying to clean the kitchen the other day, and I came across a plant I wanted to put in a pot my daughter made. I took it outside to plant it and and while potting it noticed that our garden was looking kind of bedraggled. So I grabbed the clippers and spent twenty minutes deadheading zinnias. On my way back to the garage, I found some sippee cups that the kids had left in the playhouse. So I took those back to the kitchen--the same filthy kitchen I had started cleaning thirty minutes earlier!!! Bonnie Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:10:41 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles In a message dated 8/31/98 11:57:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JPerlman@AOL.COM writes: << The juggling of roles that having a home-based business entails continues even for those of us not involved in homeschooling or even for those of us who don't have children at home any more. >> I think you're definitely right. When we were first married I had problems splitting between wife and student (especially because marriage was new and fun and law school was becoming a bit of a drag!). And my cousin just about drove herself crazy with a home-based sewing business before she ever had kids. She was ALWAYS sewing! What helped her was setting up one very definite office spot and making herself close the door and "go home" when she wasn't working. I try to do that, but it doesn't always work. I tend to do most of my work in our extra bedroom, the computer part of it anyway. I have found though that with kids, it's almost easier to sneak in work in other parts of the house. If I have reading or editing to do, I can spread it out on the kitchen counters and work in short periods, and they basically leave me alone. But just let me go into the "office," and I have an entourage! It helps to have 2 computers in here, but I can always count on at least one wanting to get on this computer to go to the Lego website or play the Blue's Clues game at Nick Jr. Bonnie Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:12:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Re: Staying sane (software games) In a message dated 8/31/98 12:50:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET writes: << And someone else (sorry; itchy delete finger) mentioned SimAnt and Creature... >> Any other Shanghai addicts out there?! Bonnie Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:42:34 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary Mortensen Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges Like Martha, I recycle my laser printer cartridges locally. The price is lower than new cartridges and I'm not throwing the plastic away. I found the company in the yellow pages under 'Computer & Equipment - Repair and Service'. I've also had good experience doing it by mail order with a company in Texas called LaserLux (info@laserlux.com; http://www.laserlux.com; 800-366-4053), but once I found a local place, decided to support the local business. Cheers, Mary -- * Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com * Lawrence, Kansas, USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:24:13 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Software NEEDS At 08:34 PM 8/29/1998 -0700, Lynn Moncrief wrote: >Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I've been playing around in >Netscape's Composer and indexed a book about FrontPage so long ago that I >really don't remember enough to make a comparison. Me, too! I'm putting together a web page (not for indexing), and would love a review of FrontPage. We can take it to email, if it would disturb the rest of the list. Thanks. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:16:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: Sending packages by USPS Hello, This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal workers. I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign. The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail, but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.) Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a suspicious package... Anne ataylor@umsl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:12:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: WordPerfect Crashes Kate-- Are you not using an uninstaller? Or retaining a copy of your hard drive files in a backup of some sort? At least with a backup set you may "easily" restore your hard drive should you need to reformat the thing. I suggest CleanSweep or Norton Uninstaller; the former seems to have somewhat better reviews in the popular press. Maybe I'm misreading your note; just my first response. Cheers, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:12:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Update to ASI Web site All -- fyi ... You'll find an update regarding ASI's subscription to The Indexer at: http://www.asindexing.org/announ.htm#IndexerVote If you have any difficulty accessing that page, please let me know. TTFN .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com President - 1998-1999, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:47:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Sending packages by USPS This package limit has been around for awhile. In addition to not putting 160z packages in mail drop boxes you also can't leave them for your regular postal person to pick up at your house. From experience, if you do leave a package for the postal person to pick up or put it in a mailbox, the Post Office will return to you. ROberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 03:16 PM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to >send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking >that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in >drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal >workers. > >I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign. >The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I >was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail, >but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my >out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.) > >Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a >suspicious package... > >Anne >ataylor@umsl.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:57:00 -0700 Reply-To: jlee@dbic.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Sending packages by USPS The bomb squad comes to mind. Anne Taylor wrote: > Hello, > > This is just a 'heads-up' for those of us using the US Postal Service to > send packages. Due to heightened security measures, the USPS is asking > that all *stamped* packages weighing over 16 ounces not be put in > drop-boxes. They should be brought to a counter to be handled by postal > workers. > > I had a scare when I put my packages in the box and THEN read the sign. > The post office was kind enough to retrieve them and do the necessary. I > was told that this new rule effects stamped mail, rather than metered mail, > but they would have looked the packages over carefully, anyway (my > out-of-state publisher sends pre-metered return envelopes with the work.) > > Unfortunately, the post office wouldn't tell me what they would do with a > suspicious package... > > Anne > ataylor@umsl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:58:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: spike suppressors At 11:08 AM 8/30/98 -0700, Lynn Moncrief wrote: >. . . > >BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes >protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I >have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one >protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC >products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.) Lynn, is a spike suppressor different from a surge suppressor, and if so, how? I have a power strip called a "surge protector" that cost much less than $50: do you think I need something better? Thanks, Michael ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:57:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: PNW Fall Meeting Announcement FALL MEETING, 1998 of the PACIFIC NORTHWEST CHAPTER of the AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS Saturday, October 10, 1998, 11:30 a.m.. to 3:30 p.m. Portland State University Smith Center, Conference Room 327, Portland, OR LEARNING INDEXING: WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS Learning indexing can be a challenge, but there are more choices than there used to be. We will have a variety of indexing course materials for you to examine. Come have lunch, discuss approaches, and look at materials. Beginners will find it valuable to see the different approaches. Established indexers will be intrigued with the approaches and concept outlines. 11:30 - 1:00 Lunch, Networking, "Ask an Indexer". As usual, we will make sure that working indexers are sitting at each table, so that new and potential indexers have a chance to ask questions. 1:00 - 1:30 Business Meeting. Hear what we have accomplished since our last meeting and what we are planning for the rest of the year. 1:30 - 2:30 Learning Indexing--Part One. A group session - we will work through a portion of one set of course material together, and discuss its approach, value, and usefulness. 2:30 - 3:30 Learning Indexing--Part Two. Short presentations on the other courses followed by an informal chance to examine materials. DIRECTIONS: North of Portland: From I5, take I-405 south across the Fremont Bridge, then take the 6th Avenue exit. South of Portland: From I5, take I-405 north, then take the 6th Avenue exit. Follow SW Sixth to Mill (6th intersection); turn left on Mill and left on Broadway (next intersection) and pull into PSU parking structure on the left. East and West of Portland: Find downtown area, go south on Broadway, after Mill Street pull into parking structure on left. Train: Leaves Seattle 7:30am, arrives 11am; leaves Portland 4pm, arrives 7:55 pm. Parking in PSU structures is not patrolled on weekends. As you exit the parking structure, Smith Center is one block to the left on the other side of Broadway. Use the entrance on the south side and go up two flight of steps to Room 327 (this is a bigger room than the one we had at the Spring meeting). FEE: $20 ASI members; $25 non-ASI members. Includes a buffet lunch. Registration deadline: Wednesday, October 7 _________________________________________________________________ We are not able to accept email registrations at this time. Please print out and send a copy of this registration form and your check payable to PNW Chapter/ASI to: Jan Wright, Program Chair, PNW/ASI 6549 22nd Ave. NW, Seattle WA 98117 Names of people attending:________________________________________________________ Number attending:______ ASI member _____ Non-member_____ Amount enclosed:_______________________ Questions: Jan Wright (jancw@mindspring.com; 206-784-2895) or Louise Martin -- who is moving in mid-September (lmart@teleport.com; 503-235-8734) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:47:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: spike suppressors In-Reply-To: <199808312059.QAA17056@camel9.mindspring.com> At 01:58 PM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >>BTW, you can get a spike suppressor for your computer system that includes >>protection for your telephone line so your modem won't get fried. ;-D I >>have one that cost over $100 from APC, but I bought it years ago. The one >>protecting Bob's machine (also APC) is a lot cheaper now at $50. (APC >>products carry a $10 or $15,000 guarantee against fried equipment.) > >Lynn, is a spike suppressor different from a surge suppressor, and if so, >how? I have a power strip called a "surge protector" that cost much less >than $50: do you think I need something better? FWIW, I have both an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) on the power line and a spike protector on the phone line. We had a small storm here a couple of weeks ago and there was a nearby lighting strike, just enough to flicker the lights. Bye bye modem. Sometimes you just can't win. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:03:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: spike suppressors Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky! May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to avoid your very disaster. I get their occasional newsletter which, besides ads, contains interesting case histories as well as useful information on suppressor theory and operation; they also offer a videotape which I think is free. THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR APC, but your experience reminded me of an APC photo of a chap whose power line suffered a direct lightning strike immediately outside his house. Very impressive. Cheers to all, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:25:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: spike suppressors In-Reply-To: <199808312310.TAA22328@camel9.mindspring.com> At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky! >May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to >avoid your very disaster. That's what I have. That, and an Isotel spike protector on the phone line. The service guy who replaed the modem was at a loss to explain it. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:52:55 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: spike suppressors In-Reply-To: <199808312330.TAA20974@camel9.mindspring.com> Food for thought on surge and spike protectors... I got an APC UPS last year, since I was going to be in New Mexico, land of many lightning strikes, and I called and asked APC about lightning and their UPS. What they said was that it would indeed protect the equipment if it got a lightning surge. But if lighting hit, the UPS itself would then be fried and I would have to get a new one. So, considering the cost, I started unplugging everything again during intense storms, just to be on the safe side. (my modem is plugged into it for both the phone line and electrical, as well as all computer equipment -- Everything but the printer goes through it. They said it is not really worth it to surge protect a printer... I forget why.). Aside from that, I have had the power go down many times unexpectedly, and the UPS works great. Plus, with an old house and potentially weird wiring, it also works against brownouts and insufficient power. It beeps at me maybe once every two weeks in Seattle, I think with brownouts, as my lights are also dimming when it happens. Jan Wright At 07:25 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Dick, I can't think that you -- or your modem -- were THAT unlucky! >>May I respectfully suggest that APC provides premier equipment to >>avoid your very disaster. > >That's what I have. That, and an Isotel spike protector on the phone line. > The service guy who replaed the modem was at a loss to explain it. > >Dick > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:45:34 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: Software NEEDS In a message dated 98-08-30 11:56:00 EDT, you write: << Could you let me know if you like FrontPage? I' >> I'll let everyone know how it goes. Probably by the end of the month. I know the Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Web site was designed using it. Maybe someone could comment on how that went. http://www.xsite.net/~cglc/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:51:10 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: spike suppressors At 07:03 PM 8/31/98 -0400, Dafydd Llwyd Talcott wrote: >. . . your experience reminded me >of an APC photo of a chap whose power line suffered a direct lightning >strike immediately outside his house. Very impressive. Dave, you've left me hangin' -- what happened to the poor guy?(!) Michael ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:51:05 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rick Hurd Subject: Re: spike suppressors I bought a twenty dollar surge protector from Walmart. I unplugged it from the wall shortly before a lighten storm came through, but I neglected unplugging the phone wire from the surge protector. Lighting struck the wire and the phone part of the surge protector was ruined. I sent in the surge protector to be repaired and went back to Walmart and brought another. My lesson learned was to unplug the surge protector and the phone line before a lighting storm. Rick Hurd, Rick's Indexing. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: kbokeefe@ncounty.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kb Okeefe." Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles Yes, Bonnie - I too am a homeschooling mother to a 9.5 and 7 yr old. I have been trying to get my indexing business going, but without any luck - no experience is what I keep hearing. I had taken a local indexers one-day training course, but now I think I need to do the USDA course. I'm dreading trying to do coursework plus homeschool and everything else I try to fit in. (Our UU coffeehouse, etc.). It's interesting what you say about your office being a magnet for the kids - I just this week took over a room on the first floor as my office. A bold step for me, but there will hopefully be a homeschooling table and bookcase area in it also. Tomorrow I have to meet with my contact at the local elementary and I am dreading it. The woman speaks to everyone as if they were 2yrs old. What state do you live in? I live in MA. Good to hear from another homeschooling indexer. Kathy O'K -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Taylor To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles ><< The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with >that > issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of > indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and > resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other > half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time>> > > >I'm homeschooling, too, and I know exactly what you mean! Even though we just >started formally homeschooling this summer with 1st grade, I have had this >same problem with role switching and guilt ever since my kids (now 3 and 6) >were babies. > >It was especially hard the 2 years I was working on a book. I will never >forget when Michael was 3, and he was coloring at his little desk. I said, >"OK, time to go do such-and-such." He looked up at me with this expression of >strained patience and said in a tight little voice, "I am TRYING to work >here!" How strange to hear myself coming out of somebody else! > >Hey, I feel guilty right now--my kids are plugged into Rugrats so that I can >have a few moments to myself to check my email! :) > >Bonnie > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:08:04 -0400 Reply-To: kbokeefe@ncounty.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kb Okeefe." Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles Do Mi Another homeschooling indexer! Yahoo. I am a homeschooler and attempting to be an indexer. It is a dream come true that there are other hs indexers out there, can we set up our own list for hsing indexers ? I don't know whether to move these messages to my hsing or indexing folders. What a delightful dilemma. Kathy O'K -----Original Message----- From: DStaub11@AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Staying sane/juggling roles >Kara wrote: > ><< And Do Mi, I'd be interested to learn how you juggle homeschooling and > indexing. You can reply off-list unless anyone else asks. Thanks.) >> > >This is probably a little off-topic for a long discussion (I don't know, is >it?) so I just asked the person I wrote a very long letter about it to to >forward it to you. (Love those prepositions!) Anyway, the short answer is, >with some difficulty but we're managing. I'm in charge from 8-3:30, my partner >from then till bedtime, so I do a lot of indexing in the afternoon and evening >(not my most alert times, unfortunately), and weekends. My daughter's office >is in the same room as mine, and she works independently in the morning while >I index and do phone calls (getting interrupted a lot). I do projects and >field trips with her in the afternoons. > >The hardest part is switching roles all the time--anyone else deal with that >issue with homeschooling or any other alternate role besides that of >indexer/businessperson? I find I get immersed in one role or the other and >resent being dragged out of it to pay attention to the other one; the other >half of the time I feel guilty about whichever one I'm doing at the time (I'm >such a bad parent, I told Alex to wait till later to have that math problem >explained because I'm on a deadline...^or^ I'm such a bad business person, I'm >ignoring the six jobs on my desk and explaining math problems to my kid...) >I'm thinking about getting two actual HATS and switching them to remind me >which one I'm supposed to be doing at any given moment... > >My partner and I played Myst (and Connections by James Burke) together in the >evenings instead of watching TV. That's the plan for Riven too. > >Gearing up for the fall now! > >Do Mi >