From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Thu Sep 17 06:03:57 1998 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:58:04 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9808D" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:49:03 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Parks Subject: meese? trackballs? touchpads? help!! I'm looking for opinions, experiences, etc...I really like the Kensington Expert Mouse trackball I've been using for a year or so, but it's just quit working for the second time. The company sent a new one to replace the first one, and will probably do the same this time, but it quit at 7:00 on Friday night, and I have two deadlines early next week! And I'm afraid I don't have a lot of confidence in their reliability at this point. I'll probably just go get a cheap mouse today to hold me over till they replace it (I need a 40-mile round trip to town today like I need a hole in the head!), but I'm wondering what other's experience has been with some of the other products out there? Types of input devices? Brands? How do you like them? Are they comfortable, have they relieved repetetive stress problems? And especially, are they *reliable*? I've thought about one of the integrated ergonomic keyboards with a trackball or touchpad built in, but it seemed silly since I already had this trackball. Now I'm not so sure I care! One of the things I've really liked about the Expert Mouse is the four programmable buttons -- I don't have to double-click, or hold a button down to drag, and I've even programmed two buttons together to do the windows "paste" operation. (Very handy when you're embedding hundreds of index entries into a Word doc...) I just wish I could count on the thing to work! If only you could do *everything* in windows from the keyboard! I think I'm going to learn today just how much you *can* do... Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom! Caroline ____________________________ Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence Indexing and Editorial Services Tijeras, NM 505-286-2738 cparks@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:11:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy A. Guenther" Subject: Re: meese? trackballs? touchpads? help!! >From Caroline: >I'm looking for opinions, experiences, etc...I really like the Kensington >Expert Mouse trackball I've been using for a year or so, but it's just quit >working for the second time. Hi Caroline, I don't consider myself a heavy trackball/mouse user (I prefer the keyboard) but this seems to be the one component of my system I often am replacing. I have a strong preference for trackball over mouse (too much else on my desk for mouse space) and since I'm left-handed I'm very limited in available trackballs. Right now I'm using a Kensington Orbit trackball. 2 trackballs ago I tried a Cirque glidepoint which worked well but I found it bothered my wrist after extensive use. Since I don't have that problem with the trackball I now keep the guidepoint for those times when my trackball acts up & generally accept replacing the trackball with what is available when my old one dies. Nancy Guenther nanguent@chesco.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:40:59 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: meese? trackballs? touchpads? help!! I've been very happy with my new Cirque Wave Keyboard 2 with built-in touchpad. It just takes very little pressure of any finger to move the cursor. The only drawback I've found in Cindex is that the location is directly below the cursor movement and page up/page down keys on the keyboard, which means that occasionally the heel of my right hand brushes against the touchpad and causes unwanted actions. I guess I could change the sensitivity, which is an option, but if I required a heavier touch, then I'd need more force for clicking. I've also recently used a Microsoft Intellisense mouse with a built-in thumbwheel for moving the scroll bar, but don't have any real experience with the utility of this. Charles Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:38:12 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: Web indexing course via email criteria Here is my policy: I take each enquiry to do the Web indexing course via email on its merits. If I feel we can make it a goer I will do that course with that person. So, just send me your resume or short synopsis of what you have done in indexing, your experience in computers, your job title, your qualifications and experience levels and I will get back to you. I am rejigging the company and beefing up the Web indexing course notes to be more self-serve. This will reduce the load on me which had become intolerable and led to my getting myself in a real hole. :( Now I am only taking on people I can FIRST really and truly give a test out technically to see how we are going to go. This is BEFORE we set on the road of the course. No more just swanning in I'm afraid. Too much stress on me to bear you up. Running these courses via Internet is a tricky business not like buying a block of chocolate over the counter. You and I both need to be prepared for each other. So just introduce yourself to me in say a couple of paragraphs and we will take it from there. OK? This is a lot fairer than before where we were going by the seat of our pants. Bon voyage! Dwight -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:47:32 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: WWWalker directions I can't say too much yet, but I am moving away from courses to products. Hence the last post about taking each applicant by its merits. This only applies to courses. Anyone can buy the course notes anytime straight away. To a limited number of people who asked me to do the course via email, I have confirmed they can do it. The email course will be based on the old ICQ one, just with the notes rewritten and more self-teaching. However I am moving away from courses in general. Courses are going to be like this: possible chat session Web notes email for missed classes or bad weeks This takes a lot of load off me. That is the main thrust now. Instead of wearing myself out bending over backwards I am making it into a business proposition. I work, you pay. And we work around the bad patches or times when there are no-shows or there are thunderstorms etc. Nothing is perfect in this world so we are making allowances. There are only so many weeks per course maximum and only so many hours I will devote per student. That's fair surely. That's all. Dwight -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:12:04 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BWI Subject: Lynn Moncrief I have missed you on Index-L. Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:00:51 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief At 07:12 PM 8/26/1998 -0800, BWI wrote: >I have missed you on Index-L. So have I! If you're out there lurking, Lynn, show yourself! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:20:41 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TBrtrm@AOL.COM Subject: Non-disclosure agreement I have a new client and I have been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement that leaves me feeling a little uneasy. I would expect a contract, but a non- disclosure agreement with other obligations, etc. is something else. Has anyone else been confronted with such conditions? What to do? I would much appreciate "hearing" of your experiences, advice, opinions. Thanks. Thelda Bertram TBrtrm@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:02:31 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement I have had to sign nondisclosure agreements before. In fact, my husband was also required to sign a nondisclosure agreement (I guess in case he happened to peek over my shoulder while I was indexing). The indexing was for technical manuals. Unless there is something really strange about the non-disclosure agreement I personally wouldn't worry about it. Intellectual property issues are a real concern for many technical companies these days and the agreement is just to make sure you don't hand over information to one of the competitors (hardly likely but they're just making sure). Best, Sylvia Coates TBrtrm@AOL.COM wrote: > I have a new client and I have been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement > that leaves me feeling a little uneasy. I would expect a contract, but a non- > disclosure agreement with other obligations, etc. is something else. > > Has anyone else been confronted with such conditions? > > What to do? I would much appreciate "hearing" of your experiences, advice, > opinions. Thanks. > > Thelda Bertram > TBrtrm@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:13:04 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: technical support, email Web indexing course -> consultations I seem to get a big hint from you guys that poor technical support and flakey systems are what you live with. I guess coming from a computer background I do not suffer from that as much. Also I come from a science background so do not find technology a battle to get to work in my favour as those from the arts seem to find - a gross generalisation but pretty darn close to the mark I'd say. Can you get your technical woes out of the way with some local technical support person or have you had no end of stuffups and have given up? You've spent so much money on upgrades or new systems that you have nothing for anything else for quite a few months. Not good business sense. You need a good buying scheme from good computer suppliers not cheapies. I have gotten to the place with my clients that I will not touch something now unless I have dealt with their IT people directly from the START. This applies to Web sites and technical support jobs. Nothing like an 'expert' or 'power user' who will not listen to a pro and persist in the face of all odds to continue to stuff up. Believe me I have had quite a bit of stress from clients in other parts of my business who push their technical stuffups onto me as well. I do not accept that any more, especially if they do not bring up the bull dust right at the start. I do not expect them to know their problems but now I tango with them about their problems - get them on side and get the major boulders out of the way with their assistance. It is amazing if you tango with someone how much they spark up and you can laugh about the hassles later! You both contribute to the solution then so they don't feel they are being sucked into some endless expensive support contract but I can sleep because they are not going to call me at all hours to fix a problem I had left months earlier and try to beat me into doing it for nothing... I have to protect myself from major stress here. Nothing worse than getting lumped with someone else's problems because they did not tackle head-on their technical experts and get them to fix it or dump them and get another better expert. Can't you get a better tech support person if the one you are paying good money does not do the job? I would. I'd change really quickly. There are so many out there to choose from. Don't stick with a lemon. Don't take junk! Be assertive! I just sense I am at the brunt of a lot of frustrations over many years from many unhappy users. I am not the cause of all these stuffups technically. The Internet seems to have unleashed many people's woes onto the likes of me. I tend to listen to people longer than most so am getting worn out by this torrent so I have had to shut the door. There is a point where even the most battle hardened technical support guy like me switches off. Now if we can split off that really bad bit - technical stuffups - we might make some progress - your business and mine. I don't usually rant and rave about technical no-hopers but sometimes I get way past my limit and explode like I did this week when I dumped the course. If you want to get something regularly, I write an Internet column for Online Currents (OLC) (http://www.sofcom.com.au/olc) - available on subscription - you can get a good shot every month from me that way. Topics include setting up your proxy, what is DNS, what is Millicent (ecommerce), shareware and where to get it... If you subscribe you get a userid and password and can read the articles on the Web. I am getting good reviews for my efforts here. But OLC pays me so I am happy to do it. I am now offering consulting on Web indexing - the Web indexing course via email I had offered earlier will now be in the form of consultations - not a regular course where you do assignments. We will work together on a Web indexing project in your business. This is much more healthy for my business and I trust will be of benefit for you. There is an ongoing relationship which I trust benefits us both - not a continual drain in your favour. More details on application. So if you wrote to me earlier about doing the email Web indexing course, please take it from me that you can convert your email course to consultations on approximately the same rates. Rates on application. The Web indexing course notes are for the mass market for now. $50 AUD, $35 USD, bank cheques. Details at URL below. I send you a userid and password to access them. They are on the Web. I hope this fixes the hassles we are going through as to where the course left off and what we are offering now. It has been a major shift. The course went completely in a different direction from my business in general so had to be brought back into line to benefit me. It can no longer be done as a kind of favour. It must be commercial. Hoping to have stopped the rot a bit from all the controversy from my blunt and exasperated approach last week What a conflagration! Just had to clear the insidious hassles that seem to make all our lives more miserable... All the best from the South! Dwight -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:48:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Non-disclosure agreement Thelda Bertram wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michele Duell Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement > > > I have a new client and I have been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement > > that leaves me feeling a little uneasy. I would expect a contract, but a non- > > disclosure agreement with other obligations, etc. is something else. > > > > Has anyone else been confronted with such conditions? > > > > What to do? I would much appreciate "hearing" of your experiences, advice, > > opinions. Thanks. > > You might want to be sure that the agreement is very limited in time, and that it does not prevent you from working for competitiors. This topic came up recently on a writer's list and the replies were quite strong, and negative! To be safe, have an attorney read the contract. Michele Duell mduell@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:00:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement In-Reply-To: <199808230423.AAA25494@camel23.mindspring.com> At 12:20 AM 8/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >I have a new client and I have been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement >that leaves me feeling a little uneasy. I would expect a contract, but a non- >disclosure agreement with other obligations, etc. is something else. I have to agree with the others. Such agreements are pretty typical. What exactly bothers you about it? Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sally Klingener Subject: Re: meese? trackballs? touchpads? help!! In-Reply-To: <199808221453.KAA11933@eliot.oit.umass.edu> At 08:49 AM 8/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'm looking for opinions, experiences, etc...I really like the Kensington >Expert Mouse trackball I've been using for a year or so, but it's just quit in > snip > but I'm wondering what other's experience has been with some of >the other products out there? Types of input devices? Brands? How do you >like them? Are they comfortable, have they relieved repetetive stress >problems? And especially, are they *reliable*? > >I've thought about one of the integrated ergonomic keyboards with a >trackball or touchpad built in, snip As a lefthander I have been looking for an keyboard with a centered trackball. I don't care for the glide pads and the integrated ones are on the right-hand side. I have a centered stick device at work and it is very frustrating - way too sensitive. The trackball on my Dell laptop is fine, but I've never seen that arrangenment on a full-sized keyboard. The lefthanded keyboards from a web site for lefthanders all had the keypad location swapped, which is not what I had in mind. Sally --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alice G. Klingener email: skling@oitunix.oit.umass.edu Biology Department tele: (413) 545-0449 221 Morrill Science Center fax: (413) 545-3243 University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:29:03 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: mstewart Subject: Which indexing course for business emphasis? De-lurking to ask a rank beginner's question. Which of the available courses would be the most cost-effective way to learn about marketing, bidding on projects and operating an indexing business? I will also need training in the techniques of indexing, and guidance in developing the required judgement, but at the moment I'm more concerned about the business side of it. As a librarian, I have experience in the related field of book cataloging (and that's the part of the job I enjoy the most), but need to transfer and expand those skills. My impression from reading the posts here is that the indexing business seems to have some unique challenges, not addressed in adult education courses on small business start-up and management. I hope to begin developing a very small part-time indexing business after about a year's study and practice, and then expand it to half-time about five years from now, after (very early) retirement. ------------------------------------- Name: Marianna Stewart E-mail:mstewart@stny.lrun.com Date: 8/23/98 Time: 8:29:03 PM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:39:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Commercial ads on the list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BDCEDE.93E8A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm by no means the site moderator, but it seems to me that we are = allowing lots of advertising lately on the list. We cannot allow this = for some without allowing it for everyone. So what will it be? = Advertising or not? Kevin A. Broccoli ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BDCEDE.93E8A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm by no means the site moderator, = but it seems=20 to me that we are allowing lots of advertising lately on the list. We = cannot=20 allow this for some without allowing it for everyone.  So what will = it=20 be?  Advertising or not?
 
Kevin A. = Broccoli
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BDCEDE.93E8A1C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:36:06 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list I like the advertising as long as it is related very narrowly to indexing. By that I mean software, marketing indexing services in particultar, courses, etc. I find it difficult to find small outfits (with whom I prefer to work) and I find it a convenience. I don't want big companies advertising and I can get their information easily elsewhere. I also don't want general get-rich quick schemes or advertising relating to anything else. We have a narrow specialty and our requirements are not being met by big companies. At this time our problems are being solved by practitioners themselves who do not have big budgets. I welcome advertising and discussion of products on the list. It will help the software developers and help us get what we need as well. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:52:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DP1301@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Which indexing course for business emphasis? Mariane was asking which course is best -- I've only taken one but it was right on the mark -- the USDA course. And it took me about a year due to a snafu with the teacher. But it doesn't take everyone that long - -depends on your schedule and the teacher's. The other thing that (for me) has really augmented that course has been the local ASI chapter and the national annual conference. Those are both opportunities to talk about the business with others. I've also benefited from some seat-of-the-pants mentoring -- this summer another indexer helped me out on a large project in a subject area that I'm not fluent in but helped tremendously by pointing out what that subject area demanded, and then called on me to help out on yet another project in that same general subject area. I learned a lot! I think indexing is life- long learning. Deborah Baltimore, MD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 05:51:30 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list In-Reply-To: <199808240139.SAA20218@decibel.electriciti.com> Hurray for Kevin! The commercials are beyond annoying and are against the university rules, which means too much could mean the list would have to find another home that would likely have the same rules. People with commercial pitches might make their case and invite interested persons to contact them. It seems to me that the most appropriate forum for commercial conversations is among those who are interested and not the entire list. A notice about the off-list discussion or whatever could be posted once a month or so for new folks to learn of the separate emailing. One assumes most here are earning a living--it's just plain unfair for some to use the list as a vehicle for doing that. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:37:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list In-Reply-To: <199808241135.HAA00679@library.lib.binghamton.edu> Hi all, Here's my take on this. I agree with Nell. If someone has a service, software, course, etc. narrowly targeted at indexers, information can be posted here. When asked, I have cautioned people not to mention charges but to be as brief as possible and to provide contact information for those who want more. This policy has not been abused that I can see. Dwight has probably provided more information than some are comfortable with, but he posting information about changes in his offerings. (unless I missed something...) Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:13:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list Charlotte writes: >Here's my take on this. I agree with Nell. If someone has a service, >software, course, etc. narrowly targeted at indexers, information can be >posted here. =20 I tend to agree as well. But.... (Warning: What follows is one of my famous= =20 "Auntie Ri=E7a's rants." Hit DELETE now if you'd rather not cyber-listen to= it.) I guess I would prefer to see the "advertisers" *also* contribute to the=20 list in other ways. I hate to single anyone out, but since Charlotte's own= =20 message mentions Dwight, I'll use his recent offerings as an example. For=20 July and August (so far), my INDEX-L mailbox has accumulated 18 messages=20 from Dwight. (Okay, so I don't clean out my mailboxes very often! ;-D) Not= =20 *one* of these messages has a Subject line that starts with "Re:"--in other= =20 words, not once, at least as far as I can tell, has this individual done=20 what most of the rest of us do fairly often: answered another indexer's=20 query. There are others on this list who make at least part of their living= =20 from teaching how to index or some other related topics. I am in fact one of= =20 them, though what I teach is the business side of freelancing. Whenever time= =20 permits (and even sometimes when it doesn't), I try to contribute to our=20 discussions from my own experience. Very often what I offer is part of what= =20 I normally teach (i.e., I ordinarily get paid, either by groups or by=20 individuals whom I'm coaching, to convey this information). Yet I never stop= =20 to think "Geez, I'm giving away the store by spending all this time doing=20 'free' e-mail consulting." Now maybe that makes me a bad businessperson, but= =20 I do think it makes me a productive list participant. (Possibly, even, it=20 works like giving away free samples of Mrs. Field's cookies: people may=20 think "Ah, she knows what she's talking about and can convey it in a way=20 that is easy to understand and doesn't make people feel like dummies for=20 asking--think I'll travel to Toronto and take one of her courses!") =20 Granted that Dwight may have been replying privately to people, it does seem= =20 to me that this apparent imbalance (which is all we list participants have= =20 to go by) may be what's upsetting some people, rather than the mere "fact"= =20 of the advertising itself (which I agree is clearly related to our= profession). Personally, I'd feel a *lot* more comfortable with this volume of=20 quasi-commercial information if it were flowing from someone who had been=20 active on the list in other ways as well. Most people don't like to be=20 "networked at," which is my term for a situation in which the exchange of=20 information, advice, and so on seems always to go in only one direction.=20 When my only contact with someone comes when he wants something from me=20 (whether it's advice or to enroll in a class--but only if I have a certain= =20 amount of technical expertise first!), then after a while I stop wanting to= =20 give so freely to that person. I may even stop wanting to give my attention= =20 to his requests> Thus the reaction of some of our list members--notice that= =20 those who've protested are *very* active participants, always willing to=20 offer help, advice, a cyber-shoulder to cry on, or whatever else is=20 needed--without expecting any remuneration for the time they invest in these= =20 activities. Instead, they/we get the knowledge that the next time *we're*=20 stuck on a thorny question, whether it be about indexing or marketing or=20 software or hardware or whatever, we can count on this list to try to help. Climbing down off my soapbox and getting back to work, Auntie Ri=E7a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Ri=E7a Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ =3D=3D> Watch this space for information about=20 e-mail versions of these popular workshops!<=3D=3D "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:22:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement Michele wrote: > > > > You might want to be sure that the agreement is very limited in time, and > that it does not prevent you from working for competitiors. This topic > came > up recently on a writer's list and the replies were quite strong, and > negative! To be safe, have an attorney read the contract. > > Michele Duell > What you're thinking of is a noncompete agreement, not a nondisclosure agreement. Two very different animals. Nondisclosure is SOP for companies who are trying to protect their intellectual property rights (including copyrights); noncompete agreements would be highly unusual for an independent contractor, and I, personally, would refuse to sign one. Just chiming in with my two cents... -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:20:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list And hurray for Pam too! I am getting awfully tired of deleting all the commercials, when my interest in the list is as a professional indexer. Occasional announcements of availability would be fine with me, but the barrage is certainly annoying. Rivka Pam Rider wrote: > Hurray for Kevin! The commercials are beyond annoying and are against the > university rules, which means too much could mean the list would have to > find another home that would likely have the same rules. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:32:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Parrish Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief I agree. When Lynn went silent, much of the energy and zest left Index-L. Ann Parrish ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:44:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief All, If anybody knows how Lynn is, or has any info on what she is doing now, I'd appreciate a note from you .... online, or privately. I hope all is well, but her silence doesn't bode well. Hoping for good news. Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:53:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief In-Reply-To: <199808242346.TAA23936@camel23.mindspring.com> At 07:44 PM 8/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >All, > >If anybody knows how Lynn is, or has any info on what she is doing now, I'd >appreciate a note from you .... online, or privately. I hope all is well, but >her silence doesn't bode well. Immediately following the ASI conference, I attended the STC conference in Anaheim. I spoke to Lynn on the phone. She sounded good, but was a long way from recovered from her surgery. She was not able to drive, for instance. I really wanted to visit her, but she couldn't drive and I had no car. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:54:53 -0700 Reply-To: cpuryear@cpis.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlene Puryear Subject: Website I'm back. And I promise not to say y'all. I need your help again. My USDA course instructor has very kindly made suggestions for improvements to my webpage. I will start working on those right away. My concern today, however, is with the HTML. On my computer the index looks fine--everything is spaced correctly. My instructor sent me a print-out of my website that shows double spacing in several areas that definitely was not intended. It is a mystery to me why it doesn't show up on my monitor or even on my print-outs. A possible HTML error has been discovered and corrected, but now I can't trust my computer. Therefore, I would appreciate your taking one more quick look to see if there are any spacing problems or any other glaring errors. Thanks. Charlene Puryear cpuryear@cpis.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:59:23 -0700 Reply-To: cpuryear@cpis.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlene Puryear Subject: webpage address Sorry. http://members.tripod.com/~CharlenePuryear/index.htm Charlene ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:13:12 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: technical support, email Web indexing course -> consultations In a message dated 8/23/98 1:14:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dwight@SPEAKEASY.ORG writes: > > I hope this fixes the hassles we are going through as to where the > course left off and what we are offering now. It has been a major shift. > The course went completely in a different direction from my business in > general so had to be brought back into line to benefit me. It can no > longer be done as a kind of favour. It must be commercial. > > Hoping to have stopped the rot a bit from all the controversy from my > blunt and exasperated approach last week > > What a conflagration! Just had to clear the insidious hassles that seem > to make all our lives more miserable... > > All the best from the South! > > Dwight Dwight, I empathize with your feelings of frustration. I am a veteran of a business that also sometimes involved situations that would not go away, clients who did not want to do their share, calls in the middle of the night and extreme demands on my time. What you are in the process of doing is called "setting limits". It is one of the secrets of staying sane. More power to you! Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:46:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Website In-Reply-To: <199808250003.UAA00389@ulster.net> >A possible HTML error has been discovered and corrected, but now I can't >trust my computer. Therefore, I would appreciate your taking one more >quick look to see if there are any spacing problems or any other glaring >errors. > first thing I notice is a missing URL. Where do we find it? -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:06:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: webpage address In-Reply-To: <199808250009.UAA01048@ulster.net> >Sorry. > >http://members.tripod.com/~CharlenePuryear/index.htm > Didn't see any weird spacing, but your text from A-L is in a smaller font size than that from M-Z. Using Netscape 3.01 on a PowerMac. -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:29:30 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverly Schane Subject: Re: Ratings for Indexing Software I hope some of you can offer your professional advice on which is the best software for indexing. I thought the ASI site would have a ratings area, but I couldn't seem to find anything like this. Please help. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:14:55 -0700 Reply-To: dmbrown@brown-inc.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: Re: Ratings for Indexing Software Ms. Schane-- In response to your message: > > software for indexing If you are planning to web sites or other index HTML files, please visit http://www.brown-inc.com/indexer/FAQ.htm for information on our soon-to-be-released product, HTML Indexer. Thank you, --David ============================== David M. Brown -- Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com http://www.brown-inc.com/ ============================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:07:19 +0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Terminology plurals If the proper plural for 'index' as in a book index is 'indexes', should the plural for 'appendix' in a book be 'appendixes'? Someone at a recent conference talked about 'indices' and was advised to wash his mouth out with soap and water :-) Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:32:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Terminology plurals In-Reply-To: <199808251110.HAA11060@camel9.mindspring.com> At 12:07 PM 8/25/98 +0000, you wrote: >If the proper plural for 'index' as in a book index is 'indexes', >should the plural for 'appendix' in a book be 'appendixes'? > >Someone at a recent conference talked about 'indices' and was advised >to wash his mouth out with soap and water :-) When I was a tech writer for a large and well known corporation, "indices" and "appendices" were considered archaic even 20 years ago. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:04:10 -0600 Reply-To: aelser@uswest.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Art Elser Organization: U S WEST Communications Subject: Re: webpage address Charlene, I looked at the index on your web page, and it looked fine, no double space. The problem with any web product is that people have different browsers and different default settings. It might be, for instance, that the settings your instructor has in his or her browser causes your index to double space for that browser. Many graphic artists are dismayed over these kinds of problems in html because they spend lots of time trying to get a web site to look perfect on MS Internet Explorer, and then when they look at it on Netscape or some ofther browser, the pages look slightly, or in some cases, very different. My take is don't worry about it. art ================================================================== Art Elser (303) 965-4825 aelser@uswest.com Information Developer, U S WEST There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts. Illusions, Richard Bach =================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:12:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Ratings for Indexing Software In-Reply-To: <199808250135.SAA28366@decibel.electriciti.com> Beverly asks about ratings of indexing software. Each indexer has preferences and a style of working. I think all of the the top software has a trial version. I highly recommend that anyone considering software is to sample as many packages as possible and make a choice based on personal choice. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:08:19 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Terminology plurals In-Reply-To: <199808251114.EAA12767@decibel.electriciti.com> Check with your client about the dictionary of choice for the publication you are indexing. I generally work with _Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary_ (10th ed.), which prefers indexes and appendixes. Other fine dictionaries may vary--the important thing is that there be internal consistency in a given volume. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:25:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Terminology plurals <>If the proper plural for 'index' as in a book index is 'indexes', >should the plural for 'appendix' in a book be 'appendixes'? > >Someone at a recent conference talked about 'indices' and was advised >to wash his mouth out with soap and water :-) The Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors gives 'appendices' as the plural of 'appendix', but 'indexes' as the plural of 'index', except in a= scientific or mathematical context, when it is 'indices'. Christine ************************************************************* Christine Shuttleworth - Indexing and Editorial Services Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue, London W12 8JB Tel/Fax (+44 181) 749 8797 email ChristineShuttleworth@compuserve.com or 106234.1745@compuserve.com ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:12:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: Re: Non-disclosure agreement In-Reply-To: <199808230423.AAA02530@camel5.mindspring.com> A non-disclosure agreement is standard. You're just agreeing not to air their private business to those who are not entitled to know it, which you wouldn't do anyway, right? A non-compete agreement is different. I have a non-compete agreement with the library contracting agency for whom I work from time to time, and for that reason I do not index, write, edit, or proofread under their auspices. I was glad that I did on my last contract, because the client asked me to proof their newsletter "because their previous librarian had" and I was able to say that I couldn't without violating my non-compete agreement. They then engaged my freelance proofreading services separately, with the blessing of the agency. I insisted on proofing their documents off site, and I charged them double my agency rate. It would have been impossible to explain to patrons that I couldn't help them in the library because I was wearing another hat. The agency deducts taxes, too, so invoicing them and working at home reinforces independent contractor status to the IRS. By the way, every time I've submitted an invoice to them I've had a check within three days. Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com ------------------- At 12:20 AM 23-08-98 EDT, Thelda Bertram wrote: > I have a new client and I have been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement that leaves me feeling a little uneasy. I would expect a contract, but a non-disclosure agreement with other obligations, etc. is something else. < > >Has anyone else been confronted with such conditions? ------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Re: Terminology plurals Isn't there a verse about the why of this? The part I remember is, "If the plural of mouse is mice, Why isn't more than one house hice?" Does this ring a bell with anyone else? Any clue as to the source or the rest of the [rather long] verse? Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:50:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Formatting differences between web browsers Since many formatting issues are indeed beyond my control when I create html files, I usually view the page with both Netscape and MS Explorer on my hard drive before I upload. Better yet, have an older version of each on hand to see how people without the latest and greatest versions see the web world. Usually you'll see a few differences but nothing you can't live with, and you'll feel better. Web coding technologies are changing quickly and very soon we will have even more (thought much more complex) tools available to control the appearances of our web pages. Please allow me to make an analogy here to desktop publishing: When you see a newsletter "published" by someone who prints the copy out on a dot-matrix printer, then accomplishes "layout" by cutting the pages apart, glueing the various pieces into columns and making copies of the finished product on an old Xerox, you can easily detect the lack of professionalism. You get the impression that the person didn't use the right tools to do the job, and because you've seen many nicer newsletters, you know the tools exist and conclude that the person in charge of THIS one didn't bother to learn to use the tools. (My church's newsletter was done like this until recently, and it drove me crazy! So much so that I volunteered to help... and yes, it IS much more work to do it with DTP software, but worth it to make the finished product readable.) My point is, when you see a website that has awkward or misaligned type (this doesn't mean you, Charlene! You're doing great) or a strange color background, you might just figure your browser is taking control. But as more people surf the net, they learn that websites don't HAVE to look awkward, so the expectation of a professional and visually appealing look increases. I think, like in desktop publishing, as the tools evolve, so might the quality of the finished product (obviously) and the amount of control we have in creating files, but a smaller percentage of people will take the time to learn to use the complex tools, separating them from the people who just throw some type up there and hope someone else's browser does it justice. Those of us who index in html need to be aware of this and willing to learn how to rise above the present limitations as we go along if we are to be taken seriously as web indexers. Please don't misunderstand... I'm not usually one to jump on the "newest is best" techology bandwagon. But we shouldn't lower our standards of QUALITY because of perceived technological limitations... we should look for ways to overcome them. (Acrobat is one way, though somewhat awkward, to preserve the appearance of graphics on the web. There are no doubt many others that I'm not as familiar with.) If as indexers we want to make a living providing easy-to-use information, I feel we must look for ways to maintain the readability of our indexes. Thanks for listening, Anne Day > ---------- > From: Art Elser > Reply To: aelser@uswest.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:04 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: webpage address > > Charlene, > > I looked at the index on your web page, and it looked fine, no double > space. The problem with any web product is that people have different > browsers and different default settings. It might be, for instance, > that > the settings your instructor has in his or her browser causes your > index > to double space for that browser. > > Many graphic artists are dismayed over these kinds of problems in html > because they spend lots of time trying to get a web site to look > perfect > on MS Internet Explorer, and then when they look at it on Netscape or > some ofther browser, the pages look slightly, or in some cases, very > different. > > My take is don't worry about it. > > art > ================================================================== > Art Elser (303) 965-4825 aelser@uswest.com > Information Developer, U S WEST > There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its > hands. > > You seek problems because you need their gifts. Illusions, Richard > Bach > =================================================================== > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:52:50 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Parks Subject: Re: Terminology plurals >Isn't there a verse about the why of this? The part I remember is, > "If the plural of mouse is mice, > Why isn't more than one house hice?" >Does this ring a bell with anyone else? Any clue as to the source or the rest >of the [rather long] verse? > Diane in Kazoo I know it as a kid's song -- I think the title is "One Buffalo, Two Buffali", but in my present mental state (if I try to think about anything else but this current index I'll get an "out of memory" error!), I can't remember anymore of it. Doubtless it'll filter in during idle processing moments (can you tell I'm working on a programming book?)...hopefully the operating system will keep the song and the index in separate memory locations and I won't end up with buffali in the index... ; D Caroline ____________________________ Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence Indexing and Editorial Services Tijeras, NM 505-286-2738 cparks@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:27:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah Smith Subject: WATER COOLER: Buffalo/Buffali In-Reply-To: <199808251455.JAA05982@mailjay.creighton.edu> > I know it as a kid's song -- I think the title is "One Buffalo, Two > Buffali" Hope this (below) helps.... -- Sarah (if we couldn't walk index, or on them, then we'd soon be indices... oh never mind :) ONE BUFFALO, TWO BUFFALI Words & music: John Forster A goose and a goose make...two geese. A moose and a moose make...two meese? A mouse and a mouse make...two mice. A grouse and a grouse make...grice? Greese? One buffalo, two buffali? That sounds good, give it a try. It may be wrong, it still might fly. One buffalo, two buffali. An ox and an ox make...oxen. A fox and a fox make...foxen? A cow and a cow make...cattle. A sow and a sow make sattle? Seattle? One kangaroo, two kangari? Works for me. Give it a try. It may be wrong. It still might fly. One kargaroo, two kangari! A bunch of crickets...make a racket. A whole pack of jackals...make a jacket? Bucks make a bucket. Ducks make a ducket. Do a whole bunch duccats...make a quacket? Why not? A pooch and a pooch...make a peach. A leech and a leech make...two looch. A roach and a roach make...two reach. A priest and a priest...what? Preach? One caribou....two carabi? I love it, give it a try. It may be wrong, it still might fly. One caribou. Two carabi. Twelve inchworms...make a footworm. That's one long and skinny shaped worm. Two footworms...make a feet worm. Which you measure, with a tapeworm. A gnu and a gnu make...two gnee. A shrew and a shrew make...two shree. A pair of canaries. How sweet! That's called a parakeet. One buffalo, two buffali. One caribou, two carabi. One kangaroo, two kangari. One buffalo, two buffali. Hey, Mary-Kate, what's a lot of baby tooths? Baby teeth. What's a lot of Baby Ruths? Baby Reeth? A lot of hippos? Hippies! Two buzzards? A blizzard. 1993 Limousine Music Co (ASCAP) MoZo MUsic (ASCAP) Bothstars Music (ASCAP) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:34:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: Re: Terminology plurals Accepted American usage is: Indexes (back of the book) (_CMS_14, 1.90) Indices (mathematics) Appendixes (_CMS_14, its index, 1.83, 1.85) When indexing, I choose the same spelling that the book's editor chose. When editing, I query appendixes v. appendices if I don't have instructions to follow _CMS_ on style. Appendices is the alternate spelling per _MW_9. Is this preference reversed in _Chambers_? Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com ---------- At 12:07 PM 25-08-98 +0000, John Sampson wrote: > If the proper plural for 'index' as in a book index is 'indexes', should the plural for 'appendix' in a book be 'appendixes'? > Someone at a recent conference talked about 'indices' and was advised to wash his mouth out with soap and water :-) ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:39:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Erika Millen Subject: Re: Terminology plurals John Sampson writes: << If the proper plural for 'index' as in a book index is 'indexes', should the plural for 'appendix' in a book be 'appendixes'? Someone at a recent conference talked about 'indices' and was advised to wash his mouth out with soap and water :-) >> My publisher prefers "appendixes." Their house convention is to use "appendices" for medical usage only. Erika Millen Indianapolis ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:46:51 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Wise Lofstrom Subject: Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device (tradename: BOOK) FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Introducing the new Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device, trade-named - BOOK. BOOK is a revolutionary breakthrough in technology: no wires, no electric circuits, no batteries, nothing to be connected or switched on. It's so easy to use, even a child can operate it. Compact and portable, it can be used anywhere -- even sitting in an armchair by the fire -- yet it is powerful enough to hold as much information as a CD- ROM disc. Here's how it works: BOOK is constructed of sequentially numbered sheets of paper (recyclable), each capable of holding thousands of bits of information. The pages are locked together with a custom-fit device called a binder which keeps the sheets in their correct sequence. Opaque Paper Technology (OPT) allows manufacturers to use both sides of the sheet, doubling the information density and cutting costs. Experts are divided on the prospects for further increases in information density; for now, BOOKS with more information simply use more pages. Each sheet is scanned optically, registering information directly into your brain. A flick of the finger takes you to the next sheet. BOOK may be taken up at any time and used merely by opening it. BOOK never crashes or requires rebooting, though, like other devices, it can become damaged if coffee is spilled on it and it becomes unusable if dropped too many times on a hard surface. The "browse" feature allows you to move instantly to any sheet, and move forward or backward as you wish. Many come with an "index" feature, which pinpoints the exact location of any selected information for instant retrieval. An optional "BOOKmark" accessory allows you to open BOOK to the exact place you left it in a previous session -- even if the BOOK has been closed. BOOKmarks fit universal design standards; thus, a single BOOKmark can be used in BOOKs by various manufacturers. Conversely, numerous BOOKmarkers can be used in a single BOOK if the user wants to store numerous views at once. The number is limited only by the number of pages in the BOOK. You can also make personal notes next to BOOK text entries with optional programming tools, Portable Erasable Nib Cryptic intercommunication Language Styli (PENCILS). Portable, durable, and affordable, BOOK is being hailed as a precursor of a new entertainment wave. BOOK's appeal seems so certain that thousands of content creators have committed to the platform and investors are reportedly flocking to invest. Look for a flood of new titles soon. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:30:50 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debra Lindblom Subject: Re: Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device (tradename: BOOK) Thats great, Robin. BOOKS are available now at BOOKstores. Did you write it? I would like to know the source. Debbie Lindblom alindblom@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:47:52 +0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: Terminology plurals In-Reply-To: > When indexing, I choose the same spelling that the book's editor chose. > When editing, I query appendixes v. appendices if I don't have instructions > to follow _CMS_ on style. Appendices is the alternate spelling per _MW_9. > > Is this preference reversed in _Chambers_? Chambers has 'appendixes, appendices' which seems to imply no preference. I'd like to say thanks to the experts here for their advice. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:25:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: Formatting differences between web browsers In-Reply-To: Anne Day "Formatting differences between web browsers" (Aug 25, 10:50am) The argument concerning writing Web documents for multiple browsers (and multiple browser versions) is also addressed in Chapter 6 of the book _Designing with JavaScript: Creating Dynamic Web Pages_. (The chapter is called "Too Many Browsers? Not Really." The book is published by O'Reilly & Associates (see http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/designjs/). The reason I bring this up (not just a reference) is because JavaScript is a Web programming language that allows you to write a single document that will work just about for any number of browsers out there -- by allowing you to write all versions necessary within the same file. That is, it IS possible to write an HTML document that will format the way you want, regardless of browser. But it requires extra programming -- and you have to use JavaScript. Most even halfway-current browsers work with JavaScript nowadays. In other words, you write the entire document in a giant IF-THEN statement (so to speak). In pseudocode (i.e., layperson's programming), the document looks like this: IF browser=Netscape4.0 THEN the document should look like this ELSE IF browser=Internet Explorer 4.0 THEN the document should look like this instead ELSE IF browser=Internet Explorer 3.0 THEN the document should look like *this* instead ... and so on. (For techies only: In JavaScript, the word "browser" above represents the navigator object, and the browser named are stored in/compared to the navigator.appName and navigator.appVersion properties.) It makes for a long document, but you're guaranteed that the final product will, for the most part, look exactly as you program it to look. That is, until the next browser versions are distributed... :-) - Seth > Please don't misunderstand... I'm not usually one to jump on the "newest > is best" technology bandwagon. But we shouldn't lower our standards of > QUALITY because of perceived technological limitations... we should look > for ways to overcome them. (Acrobat is one way, though somewhat awkward, > to preserve the appearance of graphics on the web. There are no doubt > many others that I'm not as familiar with.) If as indexers we want to > make a living providing easy-to-use information, I feel we must look for > ways to maintain the readability of our indexes. -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Information Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/~seth co-webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.asindexing.org webmaster, STC Indexing SIG: http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:42:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief In-Reply-To: <199808230213.TAA12070@mail-gw5.pacbell.net> Hi everyone, Oooooh. While downloading my mail this morning, the subject lines of the messages were flashing by as usual and was I ever surprised to see my own name zipping by as the subject line! ;-D (Well, actually, I thought the messages were from HeartTalk-L, a list for heart patients, where they frequently start paging me when I've been quiet for too long. So, the surprise was that the "pages" were on Index-L rather than HeartTalk-L.) I hadn't downloaded my mail in a few days, having become hopelessly mired in the interminable CardioIndex. So that's why I haven't responded to the "page" before now. But, I'm sorry I went into lurking for so long that I caused folks to worry. Thanks, Dick, for letting folks know that I was recovering from my February surgery! I'm pretty much recovered from that adventure. So now I'm back to just recovering [STILL!] from last October's heart surgery, having fully recovered from the even more serious surgery in Feb. (Typical of me to breeze through the big stuff and stay hung up on the smaller stuff. ;-D) And I am really sorry too that we couldn't see each other when you were here a few months ago. Anyway, I'll try not to stay quiet for so long again. In fact, I'll soon be posting a separate message about some indexing issues. Thanks, Martha, Sonsie, Janet, and Dick for thinking about me. {{{{Hugs to all of you!!!}}}} Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:48:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDD038.E2811BE0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello to you, Lynn, You don't know me (I'm new on the list) but I wish you all the best and Godspeed. Toni Williams ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDD038.E2811BE0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------ =_NextPart_001_01BDD038.E2811BE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG RRRAAAATTS! I didn't mean for that to go to the entire list. Apologies for all. Got to slow down the "reply" reflex. Toni ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:56:37 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief Lynn, you probably have no idea how many of us were thrilled to see you on the list again. We all miss you very much and welcome the good news about your recovery. I can hardly wait to see you posting again regularly...you are one of our mainstays! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:12:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief I second that! Have thought about you a million times! All your indexing advice is sorely missed. At 04:56 PM 8/25/98 -0700, Sonsie wrote: >Lynn, you probably have no idea how many of us were thrilled to see you on >the list again. We all miss you very much and welcome the good news about >your recovery. I can hardly wait to see you posting again regularly...you >are one of our mainstays! > > =Sonsie= > > ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Bertelsen Indexing and Editorial Services (Cookbooks and Food History a Specialty) cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:28:44 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Terminology plurals In-Reply-To: <199808251959.MAA29101@decibel.electriciti.com> At 08:47 PM 8/25/98 +0000, you wrote: > >Chambers has 'appendixes, appendices' which seems to imply no >preference. > But note that Merriam-Webster says in introductory notes that spelling variations out of alphabetical order denote a preference for the first presented. As it's indexes, indices and appendixes, appendices, there's a clear preference for "xes." Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:30:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: ASI roundtable test A test message was sent to all the folks who contacted me about participating in the virtual roundtable. If you emailed me for inclusion but did not receive a test message, please email me again. Thanks. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:52:59 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list In-Reply-To: <04015098956757@domain1.bigpond.com> Rica writes: > > I guess I would prefer to see the "advertisers" *also* contribute > to the=20 > list in other ways. I hate to single anyone out, but since > Charlotte's own= > =20 > message mentions Dwight, I'll use his recent offerings as an > example. To put this in context (since the discussion has got personal) can I just say that Dwight has certainly contributed voluntarily to indexing as a whole, even if he hasn't replied much on Index-L lately. He has been AusSI newsletter editor, founding webmaster, and judge of the AusSI web indexing prize, as well as contributing tech support at conferences and so on. Glenda. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:17:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Re: WATER COOLER: Buffalo/Buffali Sarah, How did you ever pull this out of your mind's hat? Thanks for documenting this pesky memory. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:23:45 -0500 Reply-To: Sarah Smith Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah Smith Subject: Re: WATER COOLER: Buffalo/Buffali In-Reply-To: <199808261219.HAA24841@mailjay.creighton.edu> On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Diane Worden wrote: > Sarah, > > How did you ever pull this out of your mind's hat? Thanks for documenting this > pesky memory. > Diane in Kazoo It's all thanks to... the Magic and Wonder of the WEB! I just did a search on Buffalo and Buffali, and it was one of the first things that popped up. I'm starting to think there isn't ANYthing that hasn't been HTML'd. On the other hand, my sorry pun, which no one but Barry Koffler got, was straight out of my sleep-deprived mind. :) -- Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:52:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Re: Indexer's Referral Network Well, I went over to Dennis Lastique's Referral Network and filled out a profile despite what the buzz was on the list. I've found a significant increase in the amount of spam I've received since signing up, and I'm pretty sure it's directly related to the Referral Network. Y'all were right with your suspicions, Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:41:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Commercial ads on the list In-Reply-To: <199808261102.EAA23108@decibel.electriciti.com> Concerns about commercialism on the list is certainly not shared by all. It's not a bad thing to promote one's business, nor is a person necessarily "bad" for doing so. But, I really think it unfair to make those of us asking for a more professional interchange feel guilty. Just because someone gets caught up in their own business and looses track of perspective about what's appropriate on a professional list, doesn't mean that person has ulterior motives or is basically flawed. Most of us have had similar lapses. Perhaps folks in the USA--where there are numerous commercial assaults from many sources--are just more sensitive to these matters. But, it really *does* matter to us. I have not seen any personal attacks here, lately. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:28:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Healy Subject: Re: meese? trackballs? touchpads? help!! In-Reply-To: <199808221455.KAA01625@fn4.tfn.net> I use a Cirque Wave Keyboard 2 with glidepointe pad. The pad is on the right side of the keyboard. Initially I wanted to find something with the touchpad in the center and I did see some keyboards with the configuration, but not with the wave contour. My experience with a glidepointe has been nothing but positive. I have a herniated cervical disk problem and have lost sensation in part of my right hand, some strength in my right arm, and have slower reactions with my fingers on the right hand. The glidepoint allows me to use any finger with very small motion and light touch to do everything I had to use my entire right arm for using the mouse. It is also has a nonexistent footprint compared to a trackball. Cirque also makes some separate glidepads that can be used right or left handed. They have programmable areas along the margins and come with a special stylus to turn it into a small electronic notepad as well. They call them CATS. Hope this helped. Susan Healy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:38:19 +0200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: jgreene Subject: [Fwd: no. 1829-MIDDLE ENGLISH COMPENDIUM AVAIL. ON WEB] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D97ACDBB3AC56A66DBDBCA61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to everyone on the list. I came across this message a little while ago and thought that perhaps someone on this list might be interested in the information. 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ON WEB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: lsipe@skat.usc.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN From: Chris Powell The University of Michigan Digital Library Production Service is pleased to announce the availability of the Middle English Compendium at http://www.hti.umich.edu/mec/ The Compendium provides access to and interconnectivity among three resources: an electronic version of the Middle English Dictionary, a HyperBibliography of Middle English prose and verse based on the MED bibliographies, and a full-text Corpus of Middle English Prose and Verse. The MED and the Corpus are encoded in SGML using the Text Encoding Initiative Guidelines. The first installment (currently online) includes 1,073 HyperBibliography entries covering 1,526 copies of Middle English texts, 15,940 MED entries covering M-U (more than one-third of the projected complete print MED), and 42 searchable texts in the Corpus. The Compendium is currently available for free during this testing period (until December 31, 1998); after this time, it will be available by institutional site license only through the University of Michigan Press. See http://www.press.umich.edu/webhome/mec/siteform.html for details. We would appreciate any questions or comments about the functionality of the Compendium; email us at mec-info@umich.edu. Christina Powell Coordinator, Humanities Text Initiative University of Michigan http://www.hti.umich.edu/ --------------D97ACDBB3AC56A66DBDBCA61-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:40:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Michaud Subject: marketing both indexing and copyediting services Hi, For those of you who copyedit as well as index, how do you market these services? Do you have separate brochures or resumes for each service, and try to target them specifically to the person who hires copyeditor or indexers? Or do you have one brochure/resume that covers all your services? If so, whom do you send it to? My background is in editing, but I am finishing up the USDA course and have just done my first two indexes, so I am planning to start marketing my indexing services, too. I am thinking that I will make up a brochure that lists all my services, but include a sample index and a letter targeted for indexing to people who hire indexers, and an editing sample and a letter targeted for editing to people who hire indexers - and maybe a letter emphasizing both services, and both samples to people who hire both? That is getting to be a rather big package... I would be interested in hearing how other editors/indexers handle the marketing. Thanks in advance, Christine Michaud Michaud Editorial Services cmichaud@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: marketing both indexing and copyediting services In-Reply-To: <199808261547.LAA22075@camel9.mindspring.com> At 11:40 AM 8/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >For those of you who copyedit as well as index, When I first started indexing, I thought I would be a jack-of-all-trades and offer editing, proofing, etc. I soon learned I could only be really good at one thing. YMMV. how do you market these >services? Do you have separate brochures or resumes for each service, and >try to target them specifically to the person who hires copyeditor or >indexers? Or do you have one brochure/resume that covers all your services? I don't think very many indexers use brochures. Some have Web pages, some use cold calls, some send out mailings with cover letter and credentials. I have occasionally resorted to cold calls and had limited success. I try to attend all the conferences I can (American Society of Indexers and Society for Technical Communication), give presentations, and generally make myself visible to people who might need my services. Virtually all of my business is now by word of mouth. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:06:32 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SCNDX@AOL.COM Subject: Payment delay and subsequent index I'd like to ask how listserv members would handle nonpayment of an invoice (past 30 days) for a large index. The question: I'm currently working on another large index for the company. Naturally, my enthusiasm for working on the second index is not great. What is the professional way to handle this? My instinct is to stop work on it and work on indexes for my prompt payers. Would this be unprofessional? or just smart? I've done business with the publisher before and was paid promptly. However, on this deal, my contact was difficult to reach and made me feel like a bill collector. Thanks for sharing your experiences, Anita Levy Space Coast Indexers 1101 S. Atlantic Avenue #401 Cocoa Beach FL 32931 407-536-8431 scndx@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:16:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: FW: existentialism and Microsoft This was sent to me from another list. Thought ya'll might enjoy it: > Due to a typical snafu, all of the graphics filters for Word were > deleted > on our server (we run Word from the server to client machines). When I > tried to insert a .jpg file in a Word document and double-clicked on > it, I > got the juiciest existential remark: > > "Word cannot edit the unknown." > > At least Microsoft knows its limitations. ;-) > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:12:15 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Payment delay and subsequent index Unfortunately I have lots of experience in collecting overdue invoices. First, don't wait for the invoice to be a day past the 30 day payable. The second it's past 30 days I'm on the phone inquiring about my payment. Second, depending on the company, I either contact the editor directly or accounts payable. The decision on who to contact is usually based upon the size of the company. By the contacting the accounts payable instead of the editor you can learn immediately whether or not your invoice is even in their system. On occasion I've found that the invoice has never made it into their system. At that point the accounts payable person will usually ask you to fax another invoice to them. It's up to them to tract the invoice through the payment process. At this point you can, and should, request that they process the invoice for immediate payment. It is also not unreasonable to ask for the payment to be sent overnight to you if necessary. In some cases, a very small press, I've called the editor directly and they handle it for me. I know that it's frustrating but you have to remind yourself that in most, if not all cases, it's nothing personal. Your invoice, regardless of how important it is to you, is just one small cog in their accounting machinery. That does not mean that you don't have every right to investigate and to expect to be paid promptly, it just means that you need to control your emotions and just handle it professionally as a business transaction. In every instance I have found that whoever you contact will be sympathetic and eager to help resolve your problem. I've found that as long as you are calm and professional, and as mother always told you-use a little sugar (that is, be nice), you can usually get paid within days. One last note, if this happens habitually with the same company I will usually mention something to the editor. Often editors, who usually want to maintain good relations with their freelancers, can put pressure on the accounts payable department to make prompt payments. Good luck, Sylvia Coates SCNDX@AOL.COM wrote: > I'd like to ask how listserv members would handle nonpayment of an invoice > (past 30 days) for a large index. > > The question: I'm currently working on another large index for the company. > Naturally, my enthusiasm for working on the second index is not great. What > is the professional way to handle this? My instinct is to stop work on it and > work on indexes for my prompt payers. Would this be unprofessional? or just > smart? > > I've done business with the publisher before and was paid promptly. However, > on this deal, my contact was difficult to reach and made me feel like a bill > collector. > > Thanks for sharing your experiences, > > Anita Levy > Space Coast Indexers > 1101 S. Atlantic Avenue #401 > Cocoa Beach FL 32931 > 407-536-8431 > scndx@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:39:02 -0500 Reply-To: vanhussp@citrine.indstate.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pamela Van Huss Organization: Indiana State University Subject: Indexer's Referral Network Could someone give me more information on this Indexer's Referral Network. Is there a website address you could give me? Thanks so much. Pamela Van Huss Terre Haute, IN ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:54:05 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Formatting differences between web browsers In-Reply-To: <04043676883165@domain1.bigpond.com> > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:25:48 -0400 > From: "Seth A. Maislin" > Subject: Re: Formatting differences between web browsers ---snipped--- > The reason I bring this up (not just a reference) is because JavaScript is > a Web programming language that allows you to write a single document > that will work just about for any number of browsers out there -- by > allowing you to write all versions necessary within the same > file. That is, > it IS possible to write an HTML document that will format the way you > want, regardless of browser. But it requires extra programming -- and you > have to use JavaScript. Most even halfway-current browsers work with > JavaScript nowadays. It's amazing how we were able to get along with text and graphics on paper for 500 years, and yet after six years of the Web it's not enough and we want our pages to sing and dance. Actually, there's a lot to be said for keeping Web page design simple; generally the more basic you make the page, the more consistent it will be between browsers _and_ the more easily readers will be able to extract the information from it that they need. Having said that, if you really do need fine control over Web pages then learning JavaScript is a relatively painless way to acquire it. Rather than Seth's approach, however, I would probably keep the pages for the two different browsers distinct and just have simple 'redirect' commands in JavaScript on the target page - 'if Netscape go HERE, if Microsoft go HERE'. It would make maintenance a bit easier, IMHO. Jonathan =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Site Indexing Internet Beginners' Group moderator: http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal/newsletr ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:57:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Re: Formatting differences between web browsers I think the dilemma is that many people find formatted web pages more user-friendly than pages containing "simple" running text . Therefore there is pressure, when designing a web page, to organize the elements in a visually appealing yet fuctional way, especially when the page is meant to work as an index. Hence the problem of browser variation. It's more a matter of easy-to-read typefaces and basic graphic elements staying in place than "singing and dancing" pages. But it's true that many people place way too much emphasis on the animation of the page rather than the content. Anne > ---------- > From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Formatting differences between web browsers > > > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:25:48 -0400 > > From: "Seth A. Maislin" > > Subject: Re: Formatting differences between web browsers > > ---snipped--- > > > The reason I bring this up (not just a reference) is because > JavaScript is > > a Web programming language that allows you to write a single > document > > that will work just about for any number of browsers out there -- by > > allowing you to write all versions necessary within the same > > file. That is, > > it IS possible to write an HTML document that will format the way > you > > want, regardless of browser. But it requires extra programming -- > and you > > have to use JavaScript. Most even halfway-current browsers work with > > JavaScript nowadays. > > It's amazing how we were able to get along with text and graphics on > paper > for 500 years, and yet after six years of the Web it's not enough and > we > want our pages to sing and dance. Actually, there's a lot to be said > for > keeping Web page design simple; generally the more basic you make the > page, > the more consistent it will be between browsers _and_ the more easily > readers will be able to extract the information from it that they > need. > Having said that, if you really do need fine control over Web pages > then > learning JavaScript is a relatively painless way to acquire it. Rather > than > Seth's approach, however, I would probably keep the pages for the two > different browsers distinct and just have simple 'redirect' commands > in > JavaScript on the target page - 'if Netscape go HERE, if Microsoft go > HERE'. > It would make maintenance a bit easier, IMHO. > > Jonathan > =================================== > Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne > Indexing, PC Training, Web Site Indexing > Internet Beginners' Group moderator: > http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal/newsletr > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:23:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Re: Payment delay and subsequent index Could it be that your contact received your invoice but somehow delaying putting it in the bookkeeper's in-box so that payment will be postponed until the next check-cutting cycle (perhaps as late as next month, if checks are cut only once per month)? That happened to me once, but now I understand more about that publisher's internal practices. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:33:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Subject: Indianapolis Conference Information Information on the Indianapolis Conference has now been added to the ASI Website. Please check http://www.asindexing.org/mtgs.htm. Sandi Schroeder Schroeder Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: ASI Carolina Chapter meeting Here's the announcement for the next Carolina Chapter meeting: Dear All, Now that we've survived Bonnie, let's hope for clear weather on Saturday, September 19 for our fall meeting of the Carolina Chapter of the American Society of Indexers. Following are the details of that meeting, including a schedule of events for the day and a set of directions to Siler City from four compass points (Thanks, Thelma, for letting me copy last spring's directions!): DAY - Saturday, September 19, 1998 TIME - 9:00am to 2:00pm PLACE - Wren Memorial Library, Siler City, North Carolina BRING - cash for lunch; laptop computer (only if you have one) SCHEDULE for the day: 9:00am - coffee & donuts; conversation 9:30 - business meeting 10:00 - Dick Evans reports on ASI Seattle Conference 10:30 - Cynthea Lee Rose leads Carolina Chapter website program 12:30pm - lunch at a Siler City restaurant 1:30 - sharing of ideas (websites, marketing, etc.) DIRECTIONS to Wren Memorial Library, Siler City, NC: GENERAL SETTING - Wren Memorial Library is on the corner of Second Avenue & Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave. in Siler City, NC. Across from the library on Second Ave. is a BB&T bank. Across from the library on MLK, Jr. Ave. is a used car parts dealership; Drydock's Seafood Restaurant is also noticeable. Note that on the bank side, MLK, Jr. Ave. becomes Fifth St. DRIVING FROM THE EAST - Coming from Raleigh on Hwy 64, continue through town to the intersection of OLD 421. Look for Wicker Mart (Amoco station) on right and Pantry (Shell station) on left. Take left at light. Continue around curve to right to road's end. After stop, take left and stay in left lane. Travel to first light, which is at Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave., just beyond BB&T bank (library is on corner to your left). Take left slowly. Take second entrance into library parking lot. DRIVING FROM THE WEST - Coming from Asheboro on Hwy 64, come to first light at the intersection of OLD 421. Look for Wicker Mart (Amoco station) on left and Pantry (Shell station) on right. Take right at light. Continue around curve to right to road's end. After stop, take left and stay in left lane. Travel to first light, which is at Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave., just beyond BB&T bank (library is on corner to your left). Take left slowly. Take second entrance into library parking lot. DRIVING FROM THE NORTH ON RALEIGH ST. (coming from towards Carthage), continue to center of town. At Second Ave., take left. Travel four blocks to Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave and take right slowly. Library is on corner to your left. Take second entrance into library parking lot. DRIVING FROM THE NORTH ON HWY 421 (coming from towards Greensboro), take second Siler City exit onto Hwy 64 west. Continue through town to the intersection of OLD 421. Look for Wicker Mart (Amoco station) on right and Pantry (Shell station) on left. Take left at light. Continue around curve to right to road's end. After stop, take left and stay in left lane. Travel to first light, which is at Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave., just beyond the BB&T bank (library is on corner to your left). Take left slowly. Take second entrance into library parking lot. DRIVING FROM THE SOUTH ON HWY 421 (coming from towards Sanford), take exit 168. At end of ramp, take left towards Siler City. Keep to the right at split to be on Second Ave. From the first light you get to, travel six blocks to Martin Luther King, Jr. Ave. and take right slowly. Library is on corner to your left. Take second entrance into library parking lot. __________________________ Hope to see many of you as we eat, talk, learn, and share some indexing ideas. This group is growing! Please send me a quick email message to say if you'll be coming to Siler City (Send it as a new email message to Donna Moss mailto:oanddmoss@earthlink.net). If you have questions about the Carolina Chapter, please send an email message to President Dick Evans (mailto:infodex@mindspring.com). Donna Moss Program Committee -- Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 mailto:norcross@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:32:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: A new low I just purchased a software package called InfoSelect from Micrologic. The so-called user's manual is a single sheet about the size of a sheet of newspaper. Each side has ten columns, each about 1.25", in what appears to be 8-point type. No index. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:08:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: A new low >>I just purchased a software package called InfoSelect from Micrologic>> Interesting, I've heard good things about the software though. Please let us know if the package itself is useful. In a month or so. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:58:09 -0400 Reply-To: William Meisheid Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: William Meisheid Subject: Re: A new low >I just purchased a software package called InfoSelect from Micrologic. The so-called user's manual is a single sheet about the size of a sheet of newspaper. Each side has ten columns, each about 1.25", in what appears to be 8-point type. No index. Dick, I have been using InfoSelect for years and like but if you think the "manual" is bad, look at the "help" file. No index either... ;<) ________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum Sysop & Microsoft MVP Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com Sageline Publishing 410.465.2040 Fax: 410.465.1812 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com Baltimore/Washington area RoboHELP training ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:24:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: A new low In-Reply-To: <199808272209.SAA20636@camel26.mindspring.com> At 06:08 PM 8/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >>>I just purchased a software package called InfoSelect from Micrologic>> > > >Interesting, I've heard good things about the software though. Please let >us know if the package itself is useful. In a month or so. I have a love-hate relationship going back several yars with InfoSelect. It promises to do so much but yields its benefits so grudgingly. Every time a new release comes out I try it and end up getting my money back. I am already disappointed with Version 4 and I only installed it two hours ago. I keep reading so much good about it that I can't help but wonder why I have such poor luck with it. I have an acquaintance who is a newspaper columnist who writes a computer column. He raved about Version 3 about a year ago and I tried it only to give up in defeat. When I asked him why he gave it such a favorable review, I found out that he only uses it in the simplest possible manner: he creates piles of notes that he later searches by keywords. He didn't use it as a scheduler, an e-mail client, an organizer, or any of the features I want to use. Anyone used it and happy with it? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:08:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: A new low >year ago and I tried it only to give up in defeat. When I asked him why he >gave it such a favorable review, I found out that he only uses it in the >simplest possible manner: he creates piles of notes that he later searches >by keywords. He didn't use it as a scheduler, an e-mail client, an >organizer, or any of the features I want to use. > >Anyone used it and happy with it? Yes to both questions. I've been a fan of this software since its=20 pre-Windows days, back when it was a DOS TSR and it was called Tornado=20 Notes. But I use it the way your newspaper-columnist friend does: as a=20 rapidly searchable free-from database for all the info I used to keep stuck= =20 around/above my monitor, on the surface of my desk, and so on. I don't use= =20 it as a scheduler, an e-mail client, or an organizer--for the same reason I= =20 don't use Netscape (originally and still primarily a Web browser) for e-mail= =20 (or, for that matter, Word for indexing!): I generally find that a dedicated= =20 program (e.g., Eudora or Pegasus for e-mail; Macrex or Cindex for indexing)= =20 does a better job at whatever it's designed for than some "module" tacked on= =20 as an afterthought--oops: I mean "enhancement"--to another program. But, at least here in Canada where I bought mine, Version 3 of InfoSelect=20 came with a 186-page manual that sports an index that's a little over 13=20 pages long. Anything I can look up for you? Regards, Ri=E7a=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Ri=E7a Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ =3D=3D> Watch this space for information about=20 e-mail versions of these popular workshops!<=3D=3D "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:20:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief Count me, however belatedly, among those who are delighted to see Lynn Moncrief back on the list. Lynn, you're always a breath of fresh air. Don't be a stranger! ;) Cheers, Craig Brown ===================================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing http://home.i1.net/~lastword (314)352-9094 fax: (314)481-9254 ===================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:56:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Re: A new low In-Reply-To: <199808272138.QAA02603@centurion.flash.net> Dick, I've been evaluating an information manager called Time & Chaos that has some really nice features for an inexpensive program. It isn't an e-mail client, but it will launch your client (in my case, Eudora) right from your address list. What I like is that it has a calendar, appointment list, address book, and to-do list, all visible at the same time. And with a double click on the calendar title bar, it shows your appointments for the whole month. An evaluation copy can be downloaded from: I'd like to hear what any others think of it. Regards, Mike **************** Michael C. Rossa Allied Editorial 972-267-2537 972-267-2538 fax rossa@flash.net **************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:21:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: A new low In-Reply-To: <199808280154.VAA19486@camel23.mindspring.com> At 08:56 PM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >I've been evaluating an information manager called Time & Chaos that has >some really nice features for an inexpensive program. It isn't an e-mail >client, but it will launch your client (in my case, Eudora) That's what I wanted InfoSelect to do, but it only works with Microsoft Exchange, a requirement not listed in the product information. >address list. What I like is that it has a calendar, appointment list, >address book, and to-do list, all visible at the same time. And with a >double click on the calendar title bar, it shows your appointments for the >whole month. One feature I'm looking for seems so simple yet is so hard to find. I want to be able to keep a To Do list for a particular project. I want to assign dates to actions, I want to organize actions in a logical sequence, and I want to be able to mark an action as completed and still see it in the list. InfoSelect has a very primitive To Do feature. As far as I can tell (see earlier rant about poor documentation) all you can do is create a list of actions and delete the ones completed. No scheduling, no ability to mark as complete. I'll check out T&C. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:53:27 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Re: A new low In-Reply-To: <199808280226.VAA04493@centurion.flash.net> At 10:21 PM 8/27/98 -0400, Dick wrote: > >One feature I'm looking for seems so simple yet is so hard to find. I want >to be able to keep a To Do list for a particular project. I want to assign >dates to actions, I want to organize actions in a logical sequence, and I >want to be able to mark an action as completed and still see it in the list. > >InfoSelect has a very primitive To Do feature. As far as I can tell (see >earlier rant about poor documentation) all you can do is create a list of >actions and delete the ones completed. No scheduling, no ability to mark >as complete. Then T & C may be close to what you want. You can delete to-do items or use the strikethru feature to keep a permanent record. There is also a *linked name* feature that builds a database of actions performed for a particular client. Let me know what you think of it. Mike **************** Michael C. Rossa Allied Editorial 972-267-2537 972-267-2538 fax rossa@flash.net **************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:49:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: Time & Chaos In-Reply-To: <199808280153.VAA07385@camel26.mindspring.com> I used Time & Chaos on my laptop and like it, too, although I haven't loaded it on my =93new=94 (April) computer. That's because I don't feel l= ike typing everything in from scratch and haven't gotten my Chaos data off my laptop yet. (Bad laptop! Dead floppy, won't load Eudora.)=20 It does have some limitations. It requires that you use American-style dates and it can't handle too many appointments in the same day. I really like the address book filters, notes, and linking, and I like the differe= nt ways that you can print your address book or calendar. I have version 4.07a, licensed 28 February 1996 (excuse me, February 28, 1996). I do not have the Time & Billing or Expense Tracking modules. If there's an upgrade that a registered user can download, I'd like to know about it. Maybe they recognize other dates now (I don't like being forced= ). Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com At 08:56 PM 27-08-98 -0500, Mike Rossa wrote: > I've been evaluating an information manager called Time & Chaos that ha= s some really nice features for an inexpensive program. It isn't an e-mail client, but it will launch your client (in my case, Eudora) right from yo= ur address list. What I like is that it has a calendar, appointment list, address book, and to-do list, all visible at the same time. And with a double click on the calendar title bar, it shows your appointments for th= e whole month. < > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:52:45 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: A new low Dick >From your description it sounds like what you are look for is project management software. I don't know any off hand but maybe you can look it up under the subject. Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 10:21 PM 8/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:56 PM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I've been evaluating an information manager called Time & Chaos that has >>some really nice features for an inexpensive program. It isn't an e-mail >>client, but it will launch your client (in my case, Eudora) > >That's what I wanted InfoSelect to do, but it only works with Microsoft >Exchange, a requirement not listed in the product information. > >>address list. What I like is that it has a calendar, appointment list, >>address book, and to-do list, all visible at the same time. And with a >>double click on the calendar title bar, it shows your appointments for the >>whole month. > >One feature I'm looking for seems so simple yet is so hard to find. I want >to be able to keep a To Do list for a particular project. I want to assign >dates to actions, I want to organize actions in a logical sequence, and I >want to be able to mark an action as completed and still see it in the list. > >InfoSelect has a very primitive To Do feature. As far as I can tell (see >earlier rant about poor documentation) all you can do is create a list of >actions and delete the ones completed. No scheduling, no ability to mark >as complete. > >I'll check out T&C. > >Dick Evans > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:02:19 -0600 Reply-To: 3ri.webster@MCI2000.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "3ri.webster" <3ri.webster@MCI2000.COM> Subject: digest? How do I get the digest instead of the individual letters? I'm losing my non-Index-L mail in the sea of individual postings, sometimes then misfiling urgent client info into my "Index-L to-be-read-this-weekend postings", and missing job opportunities, even. Or maybe that's just my excuse. Thanks, M. Webster ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:39:45 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief Hi Lynn, I lost your mailing address again. If you send it, I promise I will put it into my address book immediately where it will be safe from everything but crashes. Micki ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:17:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joanne Rohrbach Subject: Re: Time & Chaos Good morning all! This is my first time posting here. I've found several useful tips, and am glad to finally be helpful! Time & Chaos, version 5.3.4, dated May 6, 1998, can be downloaded from a site at www.download.com. Whenever I'm looking for software or upgrades, I go there first. They also have a weekly newsletter for both Mac and PC-compatibles that I've found very useful in the past. A sister site, www.shareware.com, is also a great place to go browsing. You can get Time & Chaos, 32-bit here: http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-48951,1000.html?st.dl.re sults.list.tdtl for the 16-bit version: http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-30733,1000.html?st.dl.re sults.list.tdtl Joanne L. Rohrbach Dogwood InfoServices http://www.dogwood.home.ml.org -----Original Message----- From: Indexer's Discussion Group [mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Deborah Shaw Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Time & Chaos I used Time & Chaos on my laptop and like it, too, although I haven't loaded it on my =93new=94 (April) computer. That's because I don't feel l= ike typing everything in from scratch and haven't gotten my Chaos data off my laptop yet. (Bad laptop! Dead floppy, won't load Eudora.)=20 It does have some limitations. It requires that you use American-style dates and it can't handle too many appointments in the same day. I really like the address book filters, notes, and linking, and I like the differe= nt ways that you can print your address book or calendar. I have version 4.07a, licensed 28 February 1996 (excuse me, February 28, 1996). I do not have the Time & Billing or Expense Tracking modules. If there's an upgrade that a registered user can download, I'd like to know about it. Maybe they recognize other dates now (I don't like being forced= ). Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com At 08:56 PM 27-08-98 -0500, Mike Rossa wrote: > I've been evaluating an information manager called Time & Chaos that ha= s some really nice features for an inexpensive program. It isn't an e-mail client, but it will launch your client (in my case, Eudora) right from yo= ur address list. What I like is that it has a calendar, appointment list, address book, and to-do list, all visible at the same time. And with a double click on the calendar title bar, it shows your appointments for th= e whole month. < > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:24:33 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Information managers - Outlook 98 In-Reply-To: <04024496917924@domain1.bigpond.com> Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's really versatile, and it's free. Here are some of the things it does: e-mail, including flagging messages that you have replied to or forwarded, spell checking, multiple accounts and automatic redirection into subfolders; detailed contacts lists, including subgroups who you can mail to collectively, plus fax transmission (if you can get it to work) and auto-dialling; calendar scheduling of appointments and tasks, including autodial and linking tasks to people; logging of time and date for specified events (mail sent, documents saved, etc); and storage of files along with e-mail in meaningful folders (e.g. "Jon - for action") rather than meaningless directories ("My Documents"). You can also design your own forms for entry of particular kinds of data. The downside is that it's very large and it takes a fair amount of time and trouble to set up and get used to. I have it running practically all the time and would rate it as the best PIM I have used. Jonathan. =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Site Indexing http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal Diagonal@bigpond.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:07:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Information managers - Outlook 98 In-Reply-To: <199808281235.IAA23144@camel9.mindspring.com> At 10:24 PM 8/28/98 +1000, you wrote: >Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile >Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's >really versatile, and it's free. It was free when it was first introuduced. I looked at it recently and it was a healthy price. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:25:52 -0600 Reply-To: aelser@uswest.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Art Elser Organization: U S WEST Communications Subject: Re: A new low Dick, I've been using the calendar program in Office 95 to do most of what you've been doing. One problem is it drops items from the to-so list as soon as you check them as complete. An alternative I've used is to keep my to-do list for major projects in Excel. Build a database in Excel listing tasks, start and due dates, a column for completion (Y/N), and comments. You can sort the database by complete or not to get a listing of what you've still got to do and print it out so you have a handy listing of what you still have to do. You can use criteria to show only items between certain dates, for instance only the to-do items for this month, whether complete or not. Or you can use the same criteria and sort only those not done to see what you've got to do, or you can sort to see what you have completed. You can sort the list by start dates to get them in starting order, or you can sort them by completion dates to see what order you need to get them done in. I've found it pretty handy, and with a bit of thought and planning, you can make a simple, flat database that is very useful and will do what ever you want it to do. Having the ability to print out a qualified, sorted list is really handy. I keep one on the wall in my cubicle to remind me of major start dates and deadlines. I also enter them in the Office 95 calendar program as appointments on the due date so I get one final reminded on the day they are due. My experience with programs that promise to provide everything is that they do it all poorly. My calendar program is excellent for the day to day stuff, reminding me of exactly what I've got to deliver today, and my Excel database is excellent for planning and showing me the big picture. And it fits my needs because that's the way I designed it. art ================================================================== Art Elser (303) 965-4825 aelser@uswest.com Information Developer, U S WEST There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts. Illusions, Richard Bach =================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:20:45 -0400 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Information managers - Outlook 98 In-Reply-To: <199808281235.IAA22336@mx05.erols.com> << Outlook 98 I have it running practically all the time and would rate it as the best PIM I have used. >> Ditto! It can be expanded through programming with Visual Basic for Applications too. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 410-374-3484 fax: 410-374-3484 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elizabeth SanMiguel Subject: Re: Information managers - Outlook 98 I second Jonathan's opinion. If no one had mentioned Outlook 98, I would have. I am not a big Microsoft fan, but I do like Outlook 98 a lot. It reminds me to do things. I often flag e-mails for follow-up. It has notes capabilities, you can categorize anything and then sort. I also use Outlook Mail and it has a lot of wonderful features. I have set up rules so that any mail I get from, say, Index-L goes into a folder called index-l which is in another folder called lists. Outlook 98 has one of the best search features I have seen in a PIM. On the whole, I recommend it highly. However, it does take up a lot of memory and if you don't have at least 32MB of RAM, forget it. When we started to migrate to Outlook 98 here at work, we noticed that most computers slowed down considerably. Additional RAM fixed the problem. (I was lucky because I already had a lot of RAM.) One other thing that you might appreciate. I am not sure what the user's manual for Outlook 98 is like but it does have the Office assistants to help you or you can go out and buy one of a number of books on the subject. Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne [mailto:Diagonal@BIGPOND.COM] Sent: Friday, August 28, 1998 7:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Information managers - Outlook 98 Outlook 98 is Microsoft's apologetic replacement for the user-hostile Outlook 97 which I gave up on about a year ago. It's fairly friendly, it's really versatile, and it's free. Here are some of the things it does: e-mail, including flagging messages that you have replied to or forwarded, spell checking, multiple accounts and automatic redirection into subfolders; detailed contacts lists, including subgroups who you can mail to collectively, plus fax transmission (if you can get it to work) and auto-dialling; calendar scheduling of appointments and tasks, including autodial and linking tasks to people; logging of time and date for specified events (mail sent, documents saved, etc); and storage of files along with e-mail in meaningful folders (e.g. "Jon - for action") rather than meaningless directories ("My Documents"). You can also design your own forms for entry of particular kinds of data. The downside is that it's very large and it takes a fair amount of time and trouble to set up and get used to. I have it running practically all the time and would rate it as the best PIM I have used. Jonathan. =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Site Indexing http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal Diagonal@bigpond.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:21:29 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rick Hurd Subject: Printer Cartridges Anyone know of a good place to buy laser printer cartridges? Thank you in advance for your efforts. Rick Hurd Rick's Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:21:54 -0400 Reply-To: ADay@professionaljeweler.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges We usually just order ours though the office supply catalog (Viking in the Phila. area). Or you could mail-order them from a catalog like PCMall/MacMall. I don't know how prices compare, but we usually need a new one ASAP (despite trying to keep an extra on hand) so we just go for convenience. We have an HP 4MV which is fairly popular, so toner cartridges are readily available. Anne Rick Hurd wrote: > > Anyone know of a good place to buy laser printer cartridges? Thank you in > advance for your efforts. > > Rick Hurd > Rick's Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:00:28 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: digest? In-Reply-To: <199808280725.AAA15510@mail-gw6.pacbell.net> At 08:02 AM 8/1/98 -0600, 3ri.webster wrote: >How do I get the digest instead of the individual letters? I'm losing my >non-Index-L mail in the sea of individual postings, sometimes then >misfiling urgent client info into my "Index-L to-be-read-this-weekend >postings", and missing job opportunities, even. Or maybe that's just my >excuse. Hi, I don't know if subscribing to the digest version will necessarily be the solution to your problem as it creates its own set of problems. On a busy Index-L day, you'll receive one huuuuuge message that'll make it that much harder to later manipulate a single post that's of importance to you. For example, when replying to a post in a digest, you'd have to manually change the subject line from "Digest" to something more useful. (At least, we'd appreciate it if you did. ;-D) Secondly, if you want to save a particular message, you'd have to copy and paste it somewhere else if you don't want to have to save the entire digest (and scroll to find the message). I'm sure that someone will tell you how to set Index-L to digest version, but I have another suggestion that may help. An alternative is to set up your email program so that it will automatically sort your messages into user-defined mailboxes when they download. I subscribe to quite a few lists and this nicely organizes my mail for easy reading and reference. In Eudora, you use the "Filters" tool to create filters for mail coming from specific addresses (such as Index-L's). When setting what "action" you want it to perform based on the filter, you tell it to transfer filtered messages to a particular mailbox (e.g., Index-L). If the mailbox doesn't exist yet, you can create it while setting up the action to be performed. All of this power is available to you in Eudora Lite, which is freeware downloadable from Qualcomm (http://www.qualcomm.com). Voila! When you're ready to read your mail, it's nicely organized according to sender and the In box (where things normally default to) thus contains very few messages. (I also use this to automatically filter out some spam by having it throw anything with $$$ in the subject line into the trash. ;-D) While the digest version "organizes" everything from the list into one huge message per day, the filter/mailbox system keeps individual posts as discrete posts. Eudora sorts all of the messages at the end of each download and automatically opens any mailboxes containing new mail. Of course, you can also set up filters and mailboxes for each of your clients. I did this as a way to organize email communications with clients for future reference (rather than print out email messages to add yet another piece of paper to my file folders). I let client messages download into my Inbox, relatively empty of new messages in each download due to all the filters, where I am more likely to view them immediately. Later, I manually transfer them to the client's own mailbox. (However, I could have Eudora automatically filter them into clients' mailboxes because it would automatically open the mailboxes whenever anything new downloaded into them.) You can also transfer copies of messages YOU send to clients from your Out box to a client's mailbox for a complete record. Now, of course as an indexer, I've taken this entire system way out to lunch and have tons of mailboxes devoted to particular subjects, all nested nicely of course in a elaborate hierarchy of folders. So, if I need to find an old message about Web indexing, it's nestled in a mailbox under "Saved Messages-->listservs-->Index-L posts-->Web site indexing". So, it's also a neat way to organize useful info contained in Index-L posts for future reference. So, you may want to consider this technique vs. subscribing to the digest version. Lynn P.S. I've been thanking folks offlist for all of their kind sentiments in the "Lynn Moncrief" thread, but here's a bandwidth-friendly public thank-you. ;-D *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: digest? To Whom It May Concern: Hello compatriot indexers. My clients are requesting I learn FrameMaker. Does anyone have a copy (plus documentation) he or she can sell me? Or, does anyone know where I can buy it most inexpensively? E-mail me directly at fugleman@mindspring.com Thank you. Robert Saigh fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:30:39 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges In-Reply-To: <199808281323.GAA07559@smtp4.teleport.com> >Anyone know of a good place to buy laser printer cartridges? Thank you in >advance for your efforts. Rick, I paid $69 for TWO (4/600 PS) when I traded in two used ones. This is a company that changes the screws from plastic to metal, refills and seals the whole thing, AND delivers them to me. This is local, but surely there are other recyclers out there? Martha Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:52:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Time & Chaos [added comment] Thank you, Joanne, for your referral to Download.Com. I have used it frequently and am a current subscriber to their newsletter. CNET has a similar service and www.filepile.com has often saved me during a crisis. I have only now and then posted any of their material to the List since I cannot cut-and-paste those HUGE URLs. Cheers to all, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:52:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Printer Cartridges Martha, what recycler is that? I have an HP672C and HP772C which of course take different cartridge designs. When installing a refill kit to check it out -- black only -- there was this little plastic bag with an address but no instructions; I mailed it and two weeks later received a fresh cartridge. I seem to have lost their address, naturally. Does anyone out there have comments about specific refill companies? When I bought one of my printers used, from a friend, the black ink supply kit which was a plastic "tank" feeding ink through a hose [much like an IV kit] had apparently rotted out the printhead, causing ink to saturate the head cleaning sponge, which overflowed; upon moving the printer to service it ink spilled all over my rug and office stuff. A second company, Renewable Resources, makes REINK, which has a well- designed filling station and uses premeasured ink cartridges to supply ink when refilling. Unfortunately, even though the ink is "guaranteed to be compatible" with HP inks, the print head seems to have shut down to about 30% thoughput. I won't abandon this company yet until I call their tech support. [I bought a new HP cartridge.] Yet a third company, Nu-Kote, makes Cartridge Plus for the color printhead on the 672C. A user may replace a single color tank at will, or all three. So far THIS one has worked very well. Just my normal gabbling. Cheers, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:08:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: cutting and pasting huge URLs In-Reply-To: <199808281757.NAA24415@camel23.mindspring.com> Sure you can. * in your Web browser, put your cursor anywhere in the address line * Ctrl-a to select the whole address * Ctrl-c to copy it to your clipboard * in your e-mail program, Ctrl-v to paste it where you want it If you're using a URL from an e-mail that has spilled over to the next line, you'll have to highlight the whole thing before clicking on it or reverse copy and paste process to the address line of your Web browser. It's been a while since I used a Mac, but I think it's Apple-a, -c, -v there. Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com At 01:52 PM 28-08-98 -0400, Dave Talcott wrote: >I have only now and then posted any of their material to the List since I cannot cut-and-paste those HUGE URLs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:30:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Baker Subject: Re: cutting and pasting huge URLs Another way to deal with those huge URLs (or short ones, for that matter) is to make sure your user preferences are set up to allow them to turn into hotspots. Then, you just click on them and you're automatically taken to that website. I'm guessing, however, that that doesn't work for everyone. (I use Lotus Notes.) I'm also doing that at work, where, admittedly, the system I'm using has a gazillion times more RAM than my home PC has. I don't have more than one application open at a time very often at home (it's an old system). I don't even remember anymore what my home email address is! At work, though, I frequently have 4 or 5 applications open all day (right now--Lotus Notes, WordPerfect, Netscape, and Access). Larry Baker larry.baker@gale.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:02:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jenny S." Subject: Software Needs After lurking for quite a while (and I might add that I have learned quite a bit from everyone, thank you!) I finally have a question for the group...aside from indexing software (I've tried to keep up on the dedicated software debates) what software do most of you use and how? I realize this sounds like a very broad question (and perhaps in its bredth a bit naive) but I have noticed mention of word processors, desktop and other publishing programs, time and project management software, etc. I was, therefore, wondering what software is necessary to index, provide documents/files to clients, conduct business, etc. I might add that I am currently finishing the USDA course and find that issues such as this are not discussed. I hope not to engender more debate on which program is the best unless other members wish to discuss these issues; therefore, please feel free to respond to me off-list if you prefer. Thank you all in advance.--Jenny jlstac@mail.tqci.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:29:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Software Needs In-Reply-To: <199808282013.QAA04158@camel26.mindspring.com> At 04:02 PM 8/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >After lurking for quite a while (and I might add that I have learned quite a >bit from everyone, thank you!) I finally have a question for the >group...aside from indexing software (I've tried to keep up on the dedicated >software debates) what software do most of you use and how? Operating system: Windows 95 Indexing: Cindex for DOS, 6.1 Scheduling: FastTrack by AEC Software. Provides Gantt-chart type displays showing projects along a time line. Time recording: TraxTime. Shareware from Spud City Software. A timeclock that sits on your desktop. Clipboard utility: ClipMate. Shareware program that gives you virtually unlimited clipboard space. PIM: Lotus Organizer. Backup: Seagate. Post-it notes: Post-It shareware. Internet access: Mindspring. Web browser: Internet Explorer 4.0 E-mail: Eudora 4.0 Newsreader: FreeAgent Financial: Quicken Home & Business 98 Word processing: MS-Word 7 Text editor: KEDIT Label printer: Avery Label Pro Virus checking: Dr. Solomon's