From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Wed Sep 16 15:48:01 1998 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:08:11 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9808C" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:36:26 +0200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "isko.conf" Subject: ISKO 5 -- Last Call for Participation / Dernier appel ` participation ******************************************************************* ISKO 5 -- Last Call for Participation / Dernier appel ` participation ******************************************************************** The International Society for Knowledge Organization (ISKO) and The University Charles De Gaulle Lille III Present The fifth International Conference (ISKO 5) "Structures and Relations in Knowledge Organization" L'International Society for Knowledge Organization (ISKO) et L'Universiti Charles DE Gaulle LILLE III Prisentent La cinquihme confirence Internationale (ISKO 5) "Structures et relations dans l'organisation des connaissances" August 25-29 1998/ ao{t 25-29 1998 Conference Venue: Maison de l'Education Permanante 1, Place Georges Lyon, Lille, France Programme Tuesday/Mardi, August/Ao{t 25 1998 Session A1a: 10h/10h30 Opening of the Conference/Siance inaugurale Widad MUSTAFA el HADI, Prisidente de la 5e Confirence Internationale de ISKO, Prisidente d'ISKO-France Alain DEREMETZ, Premier Vice-Prisident de l'Universiti Lille 3 Ingetraut DAHLBERG, Former ISKO President Hanne ALBRECHTSEN, ISKO President Session A1b: 10h30/12h Panel addressing the general theme of the Conference./Panel sur le thhme de la Confirence Chair/Prisidente: Rebecca GREEN, College of Library and Information Services, University of Maryland, USA Panelists: Carol BEAN, Lister Hill Center for Biomedical Communications, National Library of Medicine, USA Christian FLUHR, Direction de l'Information Scientifique & Technique (DIST-CEA), Saclay, France Michhle HUDON, Icole de bibliothiconomie et des sciences de l'information, Universiti de Montrial, Canada Ia McILWAINE, School of Library, Archive and Information Studies, University College London, Editor, Universal Decimal Classification, UK Joan MITCHELL, Editor, Dewey Decimal Classification, OCLC Forest Press, USA A. NEELAMEGHAN, Honorary Visiting Professor, Documentation Research and Training Centre, ISI, Bangalore, India LUNCH/DEJEUNER 12h/14h Session A2: 14h/15h10 Epistemology and Information Ecology, Chair/Prisident: Chair: Birger HJORLAND, The Royal School of Library and Information Science, Copenhagen (Denmark) -- The Role of Classificatory Structures as Boundary Objects in Information Ecologies, Hanne ALBRECHTSEN, The Royal School of Library and Information Science, Copenhagen, Denmark and Elin K. JACOB, School of Library and Information Science, Indiana University, USA -- Mitaphore, organisation et construction des connaissances dans les sciences textuelles, Alain DEREMETZ, University of Lille 3, France -- Du raisonnement abductif, Jacques ROUAULT, CRISTAL-GRESEC - Universiti Stendhal Grenoble 3, France Session A3: 15h10/16h20 Cognitive Approaches to Knowledge Organization (A): Conceptual Entities and Modeling of Ontologies, Chair/Prisident: Kim VELTMAN, University of Toronto, Canada -- From Thesauri towards Ontologies? Dietrich FISCHER, GMD-IPSI, Darmstadt, Germany Ontology Models for Supporting Exploratory Information Needs, Maria LEE, Research Data --- Networks Cooperative Research Centre, CSIRO, Australia and Riichiro MIZOGUCHI, The Institute of Scientific and Industrial Research, Osaka University, Japan -- System of Types + Inter-Concept Relations Properties: towards Validation of Constructed Terminologies?, Christophe JOUIS, UFR IDIST, University Chales De Gaulle Lille 3 & LALIC, University La Sorbonne, France BREAK/PAUSE 16h20/16h50 Session A4: 16h50/18h Computational Models, Chair/Prisident: A Steven Pollitt, Department of Information Systems, School of Computing and Mathematics, University of Huddersfield, UK -- A Cognitive Science System for Symbol Grounding, Jean-Pierre GRUSELLE, LIMSI - CNRS, Orsay, France -- Two Modes of Automated Domain Analysis: Multidimensional Scaling vs. Kohonen Feature Mapping of Information Science, Howard D. WHITE, Xia LIN, Katherine W. McCAIN, College of Information Science and Technology, Drexel University, USA -- An Artificial Neural Network Perspective on Knowledge Representation from Databases: the Use of a Multilayer Perceptron for Data Clusters Cartography, Xavier POLANCO, Claire FRANCOIS, Aly OULD, PRI / INIST / CNRS, Nancy, France Reception by the University of Lille /Riception offerte par l'Universiti de Lille 3 (18h30) Wednesday/Mercredi, August/Ao{t 26, 1998 Session B1: 9h/10h50 Development and Analysis in Classification Systems, Chair/Prisident: Francis MIKSA, Graduate Schoool of Library & Information Science, University of Texas at Austin, USA -- Classification Systems in their Historical Development: Problems of Typology and Terminology, Eduard R. SUKIASYAN, Russian State Library, Moscow, Russia -- Relationships in Ranganathan's Colon Classification: a Critical Appraisal, M.P. SATIJA, Department of Library Science, GND University, Amritsar, India -- Classification Structure Principles: Investigations, Experiences and Conclusions, Ingetraut DAHLBERG, Former ISKO President, Frankfurt, Germany -- General Classification Systems: Structural Principles for Multidisciplinary Specification, Clare BEGHTOL, University of Toronto, Canada -- Knowledge Classifications, Bibliographic Classifications and the Internet, Ia C. McILWAINE, University College London, UK BREAK/PAUSE 10h50/11h20 Session B2: 11h20/12h30 Interdisciplinary Approaches to Knowledge Organization, Chair/Prisident: Richard Bouchi, Ecole Nationale Supirieure des Sciences de l'Information et des Bibliothhques (ENSSIB), Villeurbanne, France -- Computational Mechanisms for Knowledge Organization, John MYLOPOULOS, Igor JURISICA, Eric YU, University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada -- Modeling Users Needs : Schema of Interrogation and Filtering the Answers from the Web in Cooperation Mode, Omar LAROUK, CERSI-ENSSIB & IUT-Dijon, France -- An Interdisciplinary World and Discipline Based Classification, Nancy J. WILLIAMSON, University of Toronto, Canada LUNCH/DEJEUNER LUNCH 12h30/14h30 Session B3: 14h30/16h Design of Information Systems (A) Thesaurus Design, Chair/Prisident: M. P. SATIJA, Department of Library Science, GND University, Amritsar, India -- The Nature of Explicit Parent-Child Relationships in Mesh Tree Structures, Carol A. BEAN, Lister Hill Center for Biomedical Communications, National Library of Medicine, USA -- A preliminary Investigation of the Usefulness of Semantic Relations and of Standardized Definitions for the Purpose of Specifying Meaning in a Thesaurus, Michhle HUDON, Universiti de Montrial, Canada -- Defining the Conceptual Space for a World Exhibition: First Experiences, Winfried SCHMITZ-ESSER, University of Applied Sciences, Hamburg, Germany -- Future Thesauri: What Kind of Structure and Relations do Searchers Need?, Marianne LYKKE NIELSEN, Royal School of Library & Information Science, Copenhagen, Denmark BREAK/PAUSE 16h/16h20 Session B4: 16h20/18h POSTERS/COMMUNICATIONS AFFICHEES Chairs/Prisidents: Sylvie DALBIN, ATD, Paris, and Chritophe JOUIS, UFR IDIDT, University Lille 3, France -- The Structure of Judicial Opinions: Identifying Internal Components and their Relationships, Jack G. CONRAD, Daniel P. DABNEY, West Group, The Thomson Corporation, Eagan, Minnesota, USA -- External Dialog and Internal Structure of an Iconographic Database, Marie DESPRES-LONNET, Kattel BRIATTE, CREDO ER CNRS 118, Universiti Charles De Gaulle Lille 3, France -- A system of "computer-aided diacritisation" using a lexical database of arabic language, Malek GHENIMA, CERSI - ENSSIB, Villeurbanne France & IRSIT, Tunisie -- Towards an Elaborate Information System: Automatic Classification of Terms Using Variations Relations, Fidelia IBEKWE-SANJUAN, Dept. of Information & Communication, IUT du Havre, France -- Computer-Assisted Plurilingual Reading System, Jacques LADOUCEUR, Arman TAJAROBI, Universiti Laval, Canada -- A Semiotic Analysis of Icons on the World Wide Web Library Homepages: an Analysis of Indexing and Use, Yan MA, Virgil DIODATO, University of Rhode Island, USA -- Internal Representation of Knowledge in an Interactive, Multimedia and Encyclopedia Oriented System, Houria OUICI, J.P. METZGER, ERSICO Universiti Jean Moulin Lyon 3, France -- A User Model Based on the Evolution of Information need during a Document Search : New Approaches Sami OUESLATI, CERSI - ENSSIB, Villeurbanne, France -- The Indexing of Technical Documents : the Use of a Knowledge Representation Model, Ciline PAGANELLI, Jacques ROUAULT, CRISTAL-GRESEC, Universiti Stendhal Grenoble 3, France -- Understanding Information Retrieval: Analysis of Users' Activity, C. ROS, N. MATTA, INRIA-Sophia Antipolis (ACACIA project), Sophia-Antipolis, France -- Automatic Indexing of Multimedia Documents Based on the Extraction of Nominal Phrases, Sahbi SIDHOM, CERSI - ENSSIB, Villeurabanne, France -- Development of a Knowledge Infrastructure for the Canadian Forest Services, A.J. SIMARD, Canadian Forest Service, Ottawa, Canada Reception at the Town Hall by the Mayor of Lille / Riception par la Mairie de Lille 19h Thursday/Jeudi, August/Ao{t 27, 1998 Session C1: 9h/10h50 Design of Information Systems (B): Knowledge Structures at the Interface, Chair/Prisident: Paul SOLOMON, School of Information & Library Science, University of North Carolina, USA -- Using Syntagmatic Relationships as a Browsing Relevance Feedback Strategy in an WWW_OPACs Based on RAMEAU List: an Empirical Study, Madjid IHADJADENE, Richard BOUCHE, ENSSIB /CERSI, Villeurbanne, France -- Visualizing the Full Spectrum of Document Relationships , Elizabeth G. HETZLER, Wyllona M. HARRIS, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, WA, USA -- The Application of the Dewey Decimal Classification in a View-Based Searching OPAC, Steve POLLITT, The Centre for Database Access Research, University of Huddersfield, UK -- A Graphical Interface for Conceptual Navigation in Faceted Thesauri or other Nested Hierarchies, Uta PRISS, School of Library and Information Science, Indiana University, USA -- Dewey as an Internet Subject Guide, Diane VIZINE-GOETZ, OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., Dublin, OH, USA BREAK/PAUSE 10h50/11h10 Session C2: 11h10/12h30 Linguistic Aspects (A), Chair/Prisident: Gerhard BUDIN, University of Vienna, Austria -- Concept Structures for Large Vocabularies, Gerhard RAHMSTORF, Technical University Darmstadt, Germany -- Automatic Term Recognition & Extraction Tools : Examining the New Interfaces and their Effective Communication Role in LSP Discourse, Widad MUSTAFA el HADI, UFR IDIST, Universiti Charles De Gaulle Lille 3 -- Peering through the Linguistic Keyhole: What Can Term Choice Tell Us about Knowledge Organization?, Lynne BOWKER, School of Applied Language and Intercultural Studies, Dublin City University, Dublin, Ireland -- Breaking of UDC Subject Headings into Sets of Key Words, Gerhard J.A. RIESTHUIS, University of Amsterdam, Holland LUNCH/DEJEUNER 12h30/14h Session C3: 14h/14h45 The Comparative Approach, Chair/Prisident: Jacques MANIEZ, ISKO-France, Dijon, France -- ICC and ICS: comparison and relations between two systems based on different principles, Leonardo MEO-EVOLI,Giliola NEGRINI, Tamara FARNESI, CNR - Istituto di studi sulla ricerca e documentazione scientifica, Rome, Italy -- Charting a Journey across Knowledge domains: Feminism in the Dewey Decimal Classification, H.A. OLSON, D.B. WARD, School of Library & Information Studies, University of Alberta, Canada BREAK/PAUSE BREAK 14h/45/15 Session C4: 15h/16h Cognitive Approaches to Knowledge Organization (B): Applications: Image Retrieval, Chair/Prisident: Yves JEANNERET, UFR IDIST, Universiti Charles De Gaulle - Lille 3, France -- Graphic Language Documents: Structures and Functions, Caroline BEEBE, Elin K. JACOB, Indiana University, USA -- A Cognitive Approach to Representing Moving Image Documents, Abby A. GOODRUM, Drexel University, USA -- Cognitive models in pictorial image retrieval, F. Javier GARIA-MARCO, Carmen AGUSTIN, University de Zaragoza, Spain BREAK/PAUSE 16hh16h20 Session C5: 16h20/17h10 Linguistic Aspects (B), Chair/Prisident: Christian FLUHR, Direction de l'Information Scientifique & Technique (DIST-CEA), Saclay, France -- Thesaurus Usage and Mental Development, Annette BEGUIN, UFR IDIST, University of Lille 3, France -- The Linguistic/Semiotic Conditions of Information Retrieval/Documentation in the Light of a Saussurean Conception of Language, Vesa SUOMINEN, Department of Information Studies, University of Oulu, Finland -- Towards Structuring of Indexing Vocabulary for Large Technical Documents, Christel FROISSARD, Genevihve LALLICH-BOIDIN, CRISTAL-GRESEC, Universiti Stendhal - Grenoble 3, France ISKO Business Meeting 18h Dinner in a Flemish restaurant/Diner dans un restaurant spicialitis flamandes 19h Friday/Vendredi, August/Ao{t 28, 1998 Session D1 9h/10h30 Design of Information Systems (C): Design of Special-Purpose Systems of Knowledge, Chair/Prisidente: Hanne ALBRECHTSEN, President of ISKO, The Royal School of Library and Information Science - Copenhagen, Denmark -- On the Use of Categorizations Employed in Research Reports as the Basis for Organizing Knowledge in Specific Domains: Exploring the Tension between Stability and Change in Systems of Categories, Paul SOLOMON, Department of Information Studies, University of Tampere, Finland and School of Information and Library Science, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, USA -- Information Processes within a Professional Activity, Jean-Paul METZGER, ERSICO-Universiti Jean Moulin Lyon 3, Rosalba PALERMITI, Claire MORISET, Equipe RI3, Grenoble2, IUT2 - Universiti Grenoble 2, France -- Texts Structures and Information Retrieval in Large Textual Documents, Evelyne MOUNIER, Cicile PAGANELLI, CRISTAL-GRESEC, Universiti Stendhal Grenoble 3, France -- Knowledge Transfer in the Field of Telematics, in a Didactic Communicational Context Realized with Hypermedia Support, Isabelle Vidalenc, Olivier Dupont, ERSICO, University Jean-Moulin Lyon 3, France BREAK/PAUSE 10h30/11h Session D2: 11h/12h30 Conceptual Modeling, Chair/Prisidente: Ingetraut DAHLBERG, Former ISKO President, Frankfurt, Germany -- Attribution and Relationality, Rebecca GREEN, College of Library and Information Services, University of Maryland, USA -- A Model of Ontologies by Differentiation, Stiphanie LACROIX, Jean-Charles MARTY, Christophe ROCHE, Laboratoire de Ginie Informatique de Savoie, France -- Subdivisions vs. Conjunctions: a Discussion on Conceptual Theory, Yiukio NAKAMURA, Inforcom Technical Bureau, Tokyo, Japan -- Database and Knowledge Representation: the Greek Legacy, Alan PHELAN, University of Central England, UK LUNCH/DEJEUNER LUNCH 12h30/14h20 Session D3: 14h20/15h30 User Profile Modeling, Chair/Prisident: Francisco JAVIER GARCMA MARCO, Departamento de Biblioteconomma y Documentacisn, Facultad de Filosofma y Letras, Universidad de Zaragoza, Spain -- Metadata Structures and User Preferences: Designing User-Focussed Knowledge Access System, Lynne C. HOWARTH, Faculty of Information Studies, University of Toronto, Canada -- Information Transfer Considering the Production and Use Contexts: Information Transfer Languages, Maria SALLET FERREIRA NOVELLINO, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil -- Conceptual Maps: Paradigmatic and Syntagmatic Links for Users, Elisabeth KOLMAYER, D. LAVANDIER, D. ROGER, ENSSIB-CERSI, Villeurbanne, France BREAK/PAUSE 15h30/16h Session D4: 16h/18h15 Structures and Relations in the On-line Environment, Chair/President : Roland HJERPPE, LIBLAB Dept. of Computer and Information Science, Linkvping University, Sweden -- The Structure of Classification Schemes Used in Internet Search Engines, Marthinus S. VAN DER WALT, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa Organizing Conceptual Knowledge Online, Robert E. KENT, Washington State University, WA, USA -- The ALCOM/NIST Heterogeneous Structures Database: Knowledge Structure for Basic and Applied Research in an Interdisciplinary Scientific Collaboration, Laura M. BARTOLO, Libraries and Media Services, Kent State University, Maja ZUMER, National and University Library, Turjaska 1, Ljubljana, Slovenia, Robert CASSON, School of Library and Information Science, Kent State University, Leo HOLMBERG, Liquid Crystal Institute, Kent State University, USA -- Individual Differences and the Use of Medical World Wide Web Resources: The Use of Graphical Representations of Navigational Patterns to Support Traditional Analysis of Qualitative Data, Honey LUCAS, -- Domain Knowledge Organization for Encyclopedia Design: an Object Oriented Approach, Jalal AKAICHI, Girard LOSFELD, Universiti Lille 3, France Session D5: 17h30/18h Concluding Remarks/Conclusion, Nancy Williamson, University of Toronto, Canada Close of the Conference/Cltture de la confirence 18h15-18h30 Le Coup de l'itrier / One for the road 18h30-19h30 Saturday/Samedi, August/Ao{t 29 1998 Extra-Conference Excursions : - Bibliothhque Nationale de France, Frangois Mitterand, Paris - ENSSIB (Ecole Nationale des Sciences de l'Information et des Bibliothhques) Lyon *************************************************************************** Rappel : Les prisentations peuvent jtre faites indiffiremment soit en frangais soit en anglais La traduction simultanie sera assurie durant la confirence Reminder: Papers can be read either in French or in English. 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I think it will be a useful tool for the audience you describe, Charlene. I'd call it a modified search engine, though, rather than an index. For instance, one of the George Washington links goes to a manuscript chapter consisting of over 100 pages; something that requires a back-of-the-book style index of its own! Within your topic, you've saved the user from searching the web, and you have provided links to web pages dealing with the "headings" you've chosen. That's probably why you're interested in the issue of sub-headings - in this context, they are a lot more difficult to determine, if at all. Just my two cents! Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:42:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy A. Guenther" Subject: Phila group ASI meeting notice -- Sept 26, 1998 American Society of Indexers Philadelphia Group Next meeting =96 September 26, 1998 1:00 pm to 3:00 pm Kamm Schreiner will demonstrate SKY Index, a Windows-based indexing program. Since Kamm is the developer of SKY this is your opportunity to learn about the latest refinements to this software as well as compare it with what you might now be using. We plan to conclude with an informal networking opportunity so bring your questions & a small snack to share. Meeting will be at: Marshallton United Methodist Church 1282 West Strasburg Road (Route 162) West Chester, PA 19382 RSVP: Nancy Guenther 543 Spring Oak Drive West Chester, PA 19382 610-436-4049; nanguent@chesco.com Directions from Routes 3 & 202: Go west on Route 3 into West Chester, following the Route 3 signs as they take you through the town's one-way streets. On the west side of town, follow Route 162 for approximately 4 miles to the village of Marshallton. Church will be on the left as you enter the village. Driveway to the parking lot is just beyond the church. For online maps, check the church's web page: http://www.gbgm-umc.org/marshltn/mumcmap.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:28:56 -0700 Reply-To: cpuryear@cpis.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlene Puryear Subject: Re: comments on Carolina index Barbara Stroup wrote: > > Charlene asked for feedback on her web page index. I think it will be a > useful tool for the audience you describe, Charlene. I'd call it a modified > search engine, though, rather than an index. > For instance, one of the George Washington links goes to a manuscript > chapter consisting of over 100 pages; something that requires a > back-of-the-book style index of its own! > Within your topic, you've saved the user from searching the web, and you > have provided links to web pages dealing with the "headings" you've chosen. > That's probably why you're interested in the issue of sub-headings - in this > context, they are a lot more difficult to determine, if at all. > Just my two cents! > Barbara Stroup Barbara, I checked the George Washington links to see if I had made a mistake; however, it appears to me that each link will take you directly to one page that has information on George Washington. It is important to use the Find "button" once you reach a page (unless, of course, the whole page is about the indexed subject). That usually will take you directly to the reference on that page. I believe for the most part this is very much like a book index. Links will take you directly to a "page" where you can locate information on that subject. As I said in the notes, sometimes there will be only a sentence or two. That's why the Find option is so useful. I found valuable information at a couple of websites that did not have user friendly URLs--I was unable to link directly to the webpage containing the information. I put more detailed instructions in parentheses for those references. I do appreciate your comments. I think if I include more detailed instructions there will be less confusion. Charlene Puryear cpuryear@cpis.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:03:50 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: subentries / overkill? Hello all - I'm facing a situation that is not unlike the current thread "examples: to index or not". In my case, the editor I'm working with requires a defining phrase for every entry. This yields the following: instead of Nile River, 3 it is Nile River, Moses found in, 3 OK - if there is only one locator then perhaps there is a point in adding the extra information as long as it can be concise. But, what if the heading includes more than a single locator? To wit: Flavius, Josephus 7, 152 per her example becomes Flavius, Josephus 7, 152 Ten Commandments, interpretation of, 7 on Masada, 152 To my way of thinking, this is ridiculous. Either there should be no subheads or there should be no locators given for the main head. And that means that virtually all main headings will have no locators! Subheads should indicate *additional* information. I can see the construction working in a run-in index: Flavius, Josephus: interpretation of Ten Commandments, 7; on Masada, 152 But this still seems unwieldy and my format is indented. Furthermore, I have a line limit --but I can't find out how many characters constitute a line. With her extremely detailed entry construction and no indication of character width, what I submit as one "line" could easily end up being 2; in short, the index that I send could easily end up being nearly twice the required number of lines! The chapters are short --an average of 3 pages each. This creates main headings with short page ranges: Masada 151-53 Herod the Great fortifies 151 Josephus Flavius on 152 symbolism of 153 Again, this seems like overkill. In this instance, I am shoving the Herod and Flavius subheads to their own main headings and leaving the symbolism entry, even though it falls within the primary locator range. (I'm doing the same for all similar mainhead/subhead entries.) However, once I get the Flavius and Herod headings in place, according to her example, they need to have the identifying phrase: Herod the Great, fortifies Masada, 151 I could really overkill and add a See also, Masada CR I guess :-} At first, I thought she only wanted the defining phrases for place names. I've been going through and removing the info from people, committee names, etc. However, I just looked again at the "how to do it" examples that she sent and she has very carefully indicated the additional information for people (Josephus Flavius) in particular! On the other hand, a sample index she sent in its entirety and indicated that it was a "good one to follow" doesn't have the identifying phrases for either place names or people. AAARRGGHH!!!!!!! Any and all suggestions welcomed! Thanks in advance - Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:10:21 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES There is a compilation of information on indexing courses on the ASI web site at: http://www.asindexing.org/courses.htm. I cannot comment on Susan Holbert's video, because I haven't seen it. But I highly recommend the USDA Basic Indexing course (which is listed near the bottom of the list of courses on the ASI web site). The instructors are very good -- they're all experienced indexers -- and I think that the course is a great deal at $281.00--Basic Indexing (beginning) and $275.00--Applied Indexing (advanced), including all course materials. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- Publicity Chair of ASI http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:08:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: ASI members - Indexer Services query Has anyone gotten any forms for the new Indexer Services? Any word on when the new one will be coming out? Shelley Greenhouse ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:30 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: Web indexing consulting I have had some letters asking for email versions of the course. I have to balance the demands of a new indexer say against the materials I have on offer. I have not written say a 300 page book on Web indexing - there is none out there - so don't expect spoon feeding. As someone just commented Web tutoring is not for the meek. Please do your homework with before starting out on this new field. You need * a good PC - not more than about 3 or 4 years old at the most * Windows 95 or a Mac with system 7 * 2 years experience using PCs - not a mainframe user unless you are going to do PC training BEFOREHAND * a little bit of flexibility - I cannot be at your beckon call * more than one say of getting hold of you - a second phone number of say a neighbour is handy - very hard to ring you if your phone is engaged dialling onto the internet :( * sense of humour (big dose!!!) - don't stress out - it only makes it harder for me to stay cool, calm and collected. * confidence (insecurity is a real pain sorry)... 'to boldy go' If all else fails we can contact each other via email that trusty system that doesn't break down too much ;). If you are interested in working with me or having me consult or keep you in touch with developments in this field please contact me at dwight@speakeasy.org Notice I did not use the word 'tutor' - it is too loaded. I only offer advice now at a set hourly rate of $30 AUD / hour. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:33:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jill Barringer Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES - REPLY Peg, Thank you for responding. Yes, I have checked out this web site and I think I have decided to take both Susan Holbert's course as well as Basic Indexing. The video course can be completed quickly and as I understand it, the courrespondence course could take quite awhile depending on response time from instructors. One woman told me it took her a year, but she ran into some unforeseen circumstances. The Basic Indexing can reinforce the video course. Would you recommend going on to Applied Indexing before attempting to seek work, or can most indexers proceed to seek employment with the Basic? Once again, thank you for your time and opinion. Jill Barringer > ---------- > From: Peg Mauer[SMTP:Pmauer@AOL.COM] > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 2:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES > > There is a compilation of information on indexing courses on the ASI > web site > at: http://www.asindexing.org/courses.htm. I cannot comment on Susan > Holbert's > video, because I haven't seen it. But I highly recommend the USDA > Basic > Indexing course (which is listed near the bottom of the list of > courses on the > ASI web site). The instructors are very good -- they're all > experienced > indexers -- and I think that the course is a great deal at > $281.00--Basic > Indexing (beginning) and $275.00--Applied Indexing (advanced), > including all > course materials. > > Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 > Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 > http://www.asindexing.org <-- Publicity Chair of ASI > http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG > http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:49:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jill Barringer Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES (2) Beverly, Yes, I did hear from a few kind souls who took the time to help someone "green" like me! I have also been in touch with Susan Holbert herself but she recently recovered from surgery so I have not made contact to confirm taking her course. I do think I am going to take her course along with the USDA Basic Indexing for reinforcement. I get the feeling that the USDA courses can take alot of time as you are somewhat at the mercy of the response time of the instructor. You proceed at your own pace with the video course. I imagine one could also feel confident enough to find some simple startup work after finishing the video course. As for Applied Indexing, the second USDA course, I have not heard much. One woman said "not too good," meaning she did not learn much. I imagine that could vary among individuals and experience. I am not sure about the market. I made some calls locally to publishers and concluded that no one really wanted to talk to me until I had the credentials. It seems that many indexers do work for publishers from afar by using speedy mail delivery, so it may not be a concern. From what I have read, the market is open, and with web indexing also a possibility, I think it is safe to assume there will be work. I am not looking for a great deal initially since I still have 2 sons to care for. I would like this to grow over the years so I could possibly fall back on it if necessary. I am a librarian but with children do not want to be tied down to a schedule. My husband travels alot and I want something flexible.I would recommend you checking out Susan Holbert's website: www.abbington.com/holbert Susan said her course also focuses on how to get work.That is a plus. Are you aware of the ASI (American Society of Indexers) website? try: www.well.com/user/asi (also) http://members.aol.com/pilar/web I hope these URLs are still correct. My main obstacle has been to muster up the confidence to get going on this, but I think I am ready to dive in. Good luck. Let me know what you decide. Where are you if you don't mind my asking? I reside near Columbus, Ohio. Jill Barringer > ---------- > From: Beverly Schane[SMTP:Bbschane@AOL.COM] > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 9:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES > > Jill--did you get any replies on this? If you did, could you let me > know the > responses? I'm thinking about Susan Holbert's video, too. Also, did > you hear > anything on the market out there? Thanks! > > Beverly > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:53:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jill Barringer Subject: Re: Phila group ASI meeting notice -- Sept 26, 1998 RSVP Nancy, Thanks for the notice of the meeting. I regret I will not be East at that time. Jill Barringer > ---------- > From: Nancy A. Guenther[SMTP:nanguent@CHESCO.COM] > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 12:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Phila group ASI meeting notice -- Sept 26, 1998 > > American Society of Indexers > Philadelphia Group > > > Next meeting =96 September 26, 1998 > 1:00 pm to 3:00 pm > > Kamm Schreiner will demonstrate SKY Index, a Windows-based indexing > program. > > Since Kamm is the developer of SKY this is your opportunity to learn > about > the latest refinements to this software as well as compare it with > what you > might now be using. > > We plan to conclude with an informal networking opportunity so bring > your > questions & a small snack to share. > > Meeting will be at: > Marshallton United Methodist Church > 1282 West Strasburg Road (Route 162) > West Chester, PA 19382 > > RSVP: > Nancy Guenther > 543 Spring Oak Drive > West Chester, PA 19382 > > 610-436-4049; nanguent@chesco.com > > > > Directions from Routes 3 & 202: > Go west on Route 3 into West Chester, following the Route 3 signs as > they > take you through the town's one-way streets. On the west side of town, > follow Route 162 for approximately 4 miles to the village of > Marshallton. > Church will be on the left as you enter the village. Driveway to the > parking > lot is just beyond the church. > > For online maps, check the church's web page: > http://www.gbgm-umc.org/marshltn/mumcmap.html > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:22:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joyce Poole Subject: Re: email instead of ICQ for Web courses? I would be very interested in the e-mail option. I have tried numerous times to install IQC (I have a pentium based PC, with Windows 95) and it still will not install. My Internet browser is America Online and I think that may be the problem. I would be interested in learning more about the e-mail options. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:52:41 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES (2) In a message dated 8/16/98 8:52:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jill@VIZDOM.COM writes: >snip< > As for Applied Indexing, the second USDA course, I have not > heard much. One woman said "not too good," meaning she did not learn > much. I imagine that could vary among individuals and experience. Jill, I am just starting the 2nd USDA indexing course. This is what I expect to get from it: 1. Some practice on varied material, which will boost my speed & confidence. Meanwhile, I will be continuing to learn how to use my indexing software. 2. I will get some feedback on my indexes to fine tune the basics I learned in the first course. 3. This course requires you to negotiate fees and do the paperwork involved in dealing with a publisher/author. (One lesson in the Ist course required a bid.) I do not expect to get spoon-fed more basic indexing material. As I understand it, this course expects you to put the knowledge from course 1 into use, and the instructor acts almost as a mentor in reviewing your work. In fact, it is stated in the manual that if an index if far off the mark, the student will get an "incomplete," and the index will be returned for revision. I think anyone looking for a lot of "how to" content will be disappointed. Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:52:43 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Ergonomics; CHAT ;-) Hi all, With the many posts about ergonomic furniture & equipment to Index-l in the past, I just couldn't let this pass. The current issue of "YAHOO Internet Life" has a picture of a chair called "The Back Station." I wish I could post the picture!! It is described as "a motorized workstation that, at the touch of a button, reclines and tilts in six different directions." The monitor and keyboard are attached to a platform which moves with the chair, so when the chair is tilted back, they are above the person seated in the chair at proper ergonomic positions. It is difficult to describe. I hope the clamps that hold the monitor in place are strong, since the monitors I have "met" are a bit too heavy to be landing on my stomach! Anyway, if anyone is interested in the contraption, it is made by Alien Furniture Technology (honest); their web site is www.neosoft.com/~rmikles. Or call them at 888-626-3026. Oh! By the way the cost is $5,295. If anyone buys one, let me know how it feels. ;-D Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:43:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Deason Subject: USDA course part 2? Is it necessary to complete the second USDA course before starting to work as an indexer? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:27:58 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: USDA course part 2? I never took either part one or part two and have been successfully indexing for 26 years! Charles Anderson At 06:43 PM 8/16/98 EDT, you wrote: >Is it necessary to complete the second USDA course before starting to work as >an indexer? > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:05:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: British-American Online Bilingual Dictionary (Fun AND Serious!) Hey, Y'all - You might want to check this out! The site also has more links. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dgl3djb/ukus/ukus_frames.html Bob ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:09:10 -0700 Reply-To: naomi.drouillard@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Erick Drouillard Subject: How do I unsubscribe I have been trying to unsubscribe for some time now, but I have not been successful. Can anyone help me. Naomi Drouillard ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:57:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Updates to ASI Web Site All -- fyi ... there's new info on the ASI Web site. Also, lots of info on next year's annual conference will be there very soon! Watch for it! TTFN .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com President - 1998-1999, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:42:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: thanks and indexer as interpreter Hi all First, belated thanks for your excellent help with women's names. I knew that I could count on this group and you came through. Now, I have encountered another problem which is nagging and I would like your wisdom. I am indexing letters written in the 19th century. The letters have not been edited, only transcribed. I am finding that indexing often requires sleuthing and interpretation. For example, a writer describing the bustle in "Sanfrancisco" during the gold rush mentions that that some must get to the gold fields via "The Dallas" I think I am safe in assuming that the writer means The Dalles on the Columbia River in Oregon, so "The Dalles" will appear in the index. Other interpretations are more sticky. When a letter described the death of Margaret, and did not provide a last name I guessed that Margaret was a cousin who was also one of the letter-writers in this collection. My assumption was based on the people named at the dying woman's bedside (including her husband, whose name was often on her letters) and the place of death. This person is not included in the genealogy that accompanies this collection so I cannot easily check the date of death. (although, given some time, I could probably do this). These letters are littered with such first-name-only references. The transcriber of the letters (now deceased) made few editorial comments. Thus far, I have tried not to include such names in the index, unless I am sure of their identity..usually by knowing the relationship to the writer..or the last name is included. This is a self-initiated project and I have complete freedom to do what I want. (Just need to have something to show for this lovely sabbatical that my employer has generously provided...and to the Indiana State Library which holds the original letters.) My question to you is how much liberty should I take in interpreting place and people names? I do plan to write an explanitory introduction to the index. Your thoughts are welcome. Charlotte Skuster ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:48:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES In a message dated 98-08-17 00:03:48 EDT, Jill Barringer writes: > Would you recommend going on to Applied Indexing before attempting to > seek work, or can most indexers proceed to seek employment with the > Basic? I haven't taken the Applied Indexing course, so I'll leave this question/answer to others who have. As someone else suggested, I believe that it's designed for those who want more practice before hanging out their shingle. I was fortunate enough to get indexing jobs right after I finished the first course, so I haven't had *time* to take the second course! :-) What a happy problem! I guess I'd say, see how you feel after completing the first course; you may feel ready to go for it! Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- Publicity Chair of ASI http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:13:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Just to back Larry up, I got back today and had 417 unopened messages, approximately 340 of which were from this listserv, and this was after I signed off! Apparently there is a problem with the SIGNOFF INDEX-L command. -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlotte Skuster [SMTP:cskuster@LIBRARY.LIB.BINGHAMTON.EDU] > Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 12:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Unsubscribing > > Larry, > > Sorry about your overloaded mailbox. I tell people to use the word > "unsubscribe" instead of signoff. I was under the impression, however, > that "signoff" would work as well with most listserv software. Maybe > not. I will look into it. In the future, another way to stop mail is to > send the message: set index-l nomail and upon your return send the > message: set index-l mail. At least with the nomail option you will > receive a message confirming your request. > > Charlotte Skuster > index-l moderator > > On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 Larry.Baker@GALE.COM wrote: > > > I thought I was so obedient and all, saving the instructions on how to > > unsubscribe from Index-L, so that when I'd return from > vacation > > I wouldn't have a bulging mailbox. But it didn't work. I was > > greeted with 504 messages this morning. (No offense to all, > but > > my delete key will be busy over the next few days!) Could > > somebody quickly let me know what I did wrong? I promise I'll > > copy THAT, and use it next time! Thanks. > > > > This is what I typed. > > > > > > > > To: listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu > > cc: > > Subject: Unsubscribing > > > > SIGNOFF INDEX-L > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:44:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: VIRUS ALERT [possible] THIS MAY ONLY APPLY TO COMPUSERVE USERS I have not confirmed that this was actually a virus attack, but am sending a warning to CompuServe as well. Thursday afternoon I downloaded a copy of PICWIN.ZIP from CompuServe, since it was advertised in the normal "What's New" announcement box. I unzipped, installed and ran the program -- it's for Windows NT -- with no problems. Friday morning when I fired up the computer to do some maintenance and defragging I noticed large holes, like a square Swiss cheese, in the NT directory. When starting NT later that day, the OS fired up with no complaints, but ALL THE PROGRAM FILES WERE MISSING. That included native NT programs, as well as several others added individually. Running the NT version of the McAfee anti-virus program, on all my drives, has discovered no virus traces. Either this was a true virus that self-destructed, or some unexplained Windows NT behaviour. Sorry for the rant, but this seemed serious enough to warrant a warning. Indeed, I noticed that the "ad" was no longer posted on CServe the next day. It'll be interesting to see what they reply to my note. Take care y'all, Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:26:46 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Jill wrote: << Would you recommend going on to Applied Indexing before attempting to > seek work, or can most indexers proceed to seek employment with the > Basic? >> Just make sure that, before seeking employment, you have actually indexed several whole books (as many as you need to be competent) and gotten some kind of feedback on them. Do Mi, the broken record ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:38:05 -0500 Reply-To: horne@fwb.gulf.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bob Horne Subject: Signing off Index-L I recently signed off for a few weeks because of a trip I was going on, and it worked perfectly - not one message after the confirmation I had signed off. However, I first tried signing off by sending the command to the listserv.@bingvmb.bitnet address, as recommended in the acknowledgement when I first signed on. The message was returned to me - I don't remember the precise reason. I then sent the command to listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu and was succesful. I also had no trouble signing back on yesterday, using that same second address. Bob Horne Fort Walton Beach, FL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:17:27 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Amundson Subject: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance Has anyone gotten any specific information on the health insurance offer ed through ASI? I got a call from a Mutual of Omaha sales person a week or so ago. He had my name (obviously), but he didn't know what ASI was, and he seemed dismayed at my age. He said he'd send me rates for their "most popular plan," but I haven't received anything from him yet. He wanted to send a local agent to my home, but it didn't seem like a special trip would be worthwhile if MofO's rates were higher than those I'm paying now. He did ask what I'm paying now, and I told him. Perhaps that's why I haven't received any information.... I thought we were going to be eligible as a group for MofO insurance, b ut it appears that the age-specific rates for their regular policies are simply discounted a certain percentage depending on what "deal" an organization makes with MofO. The best "deal" I've found so far, and possibly the most likely to be available everywhere, is the insurance for small businesses (including self-employed persons) offered through local chambers of commerce. My chamber plan has one potentially serious drawback: the insured person must certify each month that they're working full time, which would be difficult to do in the event of serious illness or disability. And of course many of us don't work the specified number of hours per week, because of other obligations, state of health, or personal preference. I won't mention the difficulty in scheduling full-time work in the face of ubiquitous and unpredictable delays in page proof. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:12:42 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: ASI bylaws et al. Just wondering if the rest of you who are ASI members have looked at the latest posting from Lori Lathrop. She lists herself as the acting chair of the nominating committee, despite the fact that her holding such a position is illegal, according to both ASI bylaws and Robert's Rules of Order. In fact, the president cannot be a member of the nominating committee. I alerted several board members to this illegal action, so perhaps it will be corrected. As you may or may not have noticed, I have resigned as ASI secretary. My resignation was forwarded to the board on July 30, to be effective Aug. 10. Please note that my resignation had nothing to do with family or work responsibilities or health concerns or anything like that. I am deeply committed to ASI and to its fair governance and good name (why else would I put in the time it took to handle registration with my colleague Sharon Hilgenberg--we both put in well over 200 hours--or continue to serve as SIG coordinator and in other capacities?). I resigned because I could not in good conscience continue to serve on the board as it is currently being run. Mine was the fifth resignation since the Seattle meeting. I dare not post additional information on this list, for fear of legal action (already threatened against another previous board member, though in different circumstances) but am willing to discuss the current situation with concerned members. Margie Towery Towery Indexing 40 Paradise Court Lafayette, IN 47905-8758 765-449-1718 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:22:05 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Re: the USDA courses: I'd like to second Do Mi's opinion that the courses are no substitute for actually indexing some books and having in-depth critiques of your work. The courses are only designed to take you through the basics at each level. Every index involves its own challenges, and working on samples or a single whole- book index cannot completely prepare you for the task of indexing a whole book, under deadline and under the "stress" of fitting the client's specs. Sometimes I think the courses offer a false sense of security that the student is ready to index out in the real world, but of course there are other cases where some people can jump in without the courses at all. In other words, how well the courses prepare you to index has a lot to do with the skills you bring to the task. I'm always reminded of the analogy about indexing and art: I could take art lessons forever, but no museum is ever going to buy my work. Taking the lessons is only a bridge toward a goal, not a guarantee of success. (Perhaps I'm reading too much into the original question, but it sounded like a question about whether taking the classes leads to work, or whether work can be undertaken without the Advanced Course. I guess what I think is that if you have talent, you can make good use of the information from the courses, but the question of when to start working shouldn't **necessarily** hinge on completion of the USDA curriculum.) Just another 2 cents on the subject. Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:55:17 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Further on the subject ....... Nothing can take the place of indexing, indexing more, and continuing to index. As much good preparation as the USDA course is, it is only a beginning, a learning of basics. Much work remains to be done in terms of practicing the skills learned. The more one indexes, the greater variety of situations that call for judgment one encounters. These decisions, or judgment calls, are the nitty gritty of producing (read: writing, crafting) indexes. These are the things that you all post questions on here on Index-L. They often have no right answers. They require judgment. The more indexes one does, the more rounded one becomes in terms of a range of experience. That is one thing. On another level, the practice is needed because at the beginning, one works very slowly and deliberately -- in indexing as with any other new skill recently learned or being learned. The more one practices, the greater one's speed. This is of vital importance in becoming a working indexer. The added speed is important in meeting deadlines, and then in terms of being able to do the jobs more quickly so as to improve one's volume of business and being able to earn a living and more. So to all of those who are new at it, or thinking about it ... do take the USDA course and take advantage of those experienced instructors. But do not look at completion of the course as leaving you as accomplished as the experienced indexers out there, and competitive with them. Nothing takes the place of experience. Skills are perfected, honed, and timing is improved. The USDA course is an excellent beginning, but only a beginning. After the course, index, index, index. Practice. See if you can get others to review/critique your work. Ask for comments from fellow indexers. Critique your own work. And continue learning and educating yourself. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:27:07 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: christy graunke Subject: Re: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance Hello! The Society for Technical Communication (STC) also offers group health insurance through Mutual of Omaha. I have contacted the M of O NUMEROUS times over the last six months with requests for information, and have only received the response that they offer "various plans at various rates." They continue to promise to send specific information, but no luck yet. . . As one contrasting example (and I am not endorsing any particular company), you might want to check out the Blue Cross/Blue Shield web site for your area. I don't know about all areas, but the Oregon web site gives exact monthly rates for self-employed health insurance right on the web site--no contact with sales people required! Just goes to show the importance of being able to find the information you need when you need it! Good luck! :) christy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:20:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen K DiGioia Subject: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Peg, I read your note about taking the Applied Indexing course. I too am tryin= g to get my first job, I attended the class that Susan Holbert gave. I am curious as to how you managed to get your first job. I am also having trouble getting my first job. = Kathy D. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:43:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen K DiGioia Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Do Mi, I am also a new indexer trying to get my first job and I read your note. How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = Thanks Kathy = ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:20:09 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Re: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance Is there a URL for the BlueCross/BlueShield web site? I too have had similar experience with MofO. We might all benefit from a look at the competition. Thanks Rivka christy graunke wrote: > Hello! > > The Society for Technical Communication (STC) also offers group health > insurance through Mutual of Omaha. I have contacted the M of O NUMEROUS > times over the last six months with requests for information, and have > only received the response that they offer "various plans at various > rates." They continue to promise to send specific information, but no > luck yet. . . > > As one contrasting example (and I am not endorsing any particular > company), you might want to check out the Blue Cross/Blue Shield web > site for your area. I don't know about all areas, but the Oregon web > site gives exact monthly rates for self-employed health insurance right > on the web site--no contact with sales people required! > > Just goes to show the importance of being able to find the information > you need when you need it! > > Good luck! > :) christy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:20:14 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Kathy, one way to do this and get "feedback" is to take virtually any nonfiction book you have around the house or want to buy, and index it without referring to the index in the book itself. When you're all done, study the two of them side by side and see what the differences are. This may not be the same as taking a class with personal instruction, but it has the advantage of being both free and convenient...and you WILL learn from it. Good luck. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:33:50 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance Working Today at http://www.workingtoday.org was previously posted as a place to check out insurance. I just received their information and the rates are reasonable and the medical insurance includes dental and some vision coverage. American Society of Information Science and Association of Computing Machinery both offer very good insurance from two different companies. If someone in ASI can contact me, I will give you the names of the organizations that you might want to contact. One problem many professional organizations face with medical insurance is that some state regulations make it difficult for them to sell coverage in those states. Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 09:20 PM 8/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >Is there a URL for the BlueCross/BlueShield web site? I too have had >similar experience with MofO. We might all benefit from a look at the >competition. >Thanks >Rivka > > > >christy graunke wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> The Society for Technical Communication (STC) also offers group health >> insurance through Mutual of Omaha. I have contacted the M of O NUMEROUS >> times over the last six months with requests for information, and have >> only received the response that they offer "various plans at various >> rates." They continue to promise to send specific information, but no >> luck yet. . . >> >> As one contrasting example (and I am not endorsing any particular >> company), you might want to check out the Blue Cross/Blue Shield web >> site for your area. I don't know about all areas, but the Oregon web >> site gives exact monthly rates for self-employed health insurance right >> on the web site--no contact with sales people required! >> >> Just goes to show the importance of being able to find the information >> you need when you need it! >> >> Good luck! >> :) christy > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:57:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Kathy wrote: << I am also a new indexer trying to get my first job and I read your note. How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >> Good questions. Here are some ideas: 1) Pick a book on a familiar topic with an index that you consider useful and index it for practice. Then compare your index with the published one. Try looking things up in your index and see if it works. Notice which parts of the indexing process are difficult for you, which decisions are difficult to make, and ask about them on Index-L (good for all you beginners participating on here!). 2) Take the USDA Applied Indexing course (the 2nd course), in which I believe you index whole books and get feedback on them. 3) Pay an experienced indexer by the hour to review your indexes and answer questions. I have done this from time to time (don't have time for it right now) and it was very rewarding; I think it really helped the novices I worked with. I required people to have basic indexing training (the USDA course). This wasn't subcontracting; in other words, the novices weren't working on real jobs, but on practice indexes, either books of their choice or books I'd already indexed. Any of you experienced indexers willing to do something like this? 4) If you can't do any of the formal arrangements, at least index about ten books (I'm serious!!) before you start looking for jobs! I agree with Barb and Janet. You learn how to index by doing it. You shouldn't be marketing yourself until you learn how to do a high quality job. The best of luck to you and all the other beginners! If you put in some solid time going way beyond the basics, you will be able to get work. Publishers will tell each other about you. There's a lot of need for highly competent indexers out there! The only hard thing is that it takes time to get competent. You can do it! Do Mi, continuing to be a broken record ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:41:56 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Maria Coughlin Subject: Re: ASI bylaws et al. In-Reply-To: <199808172215.SAA00671@fh101.infi.net> I must support Margie Towery's posting (8/17) re ASI. ASI members ought to note, as Margie points out, that five people have resigned from the ASI Board since the Seattle meeting. These individuals represent tens of thousands of hours of volunteer service to ASI on the national and local level, and at the least their loss is alarming. I, too, must acknowledge that I resigned from the Board because I had grave doubts about my ability to serve ASI's members effectively in light of actions taken by the Board as it is currently being run, and in light of rumors that had reached me regarding myself and other former Board members. The rumors were unfounded, but I dared not risk further damage to my reputation or my self-respect. Sadly, it seems that serving ASI faithfully for YEARS does not protect one against those who use ASI business to conduct personal vendettas. ASI members also ought to note that questions and differences of opinion are required for healthy discourse. It is not negative to ask questions, it is a positive contribution to ASI as a robust democratic institution. (Thomas Jefferson characterized this as "eternal vigilance.") Those who would quell discourse by characterizing it as "damaging ASI" are trying an age-old intimidation tactic. Instead, ASI members ought to remember that the dues they pay are still *their* money. They ought to ask how *their money* is being spent! They ought to ask about policies and procedures that disenfranchise the ASI membership. They ought to require accountability from those who would impugn the integrity of former Board members through rumors or threat of legal action. I am also willing to discuss the current situation with concerned ASI members. Please contact me privately (off list). Maria Coughlin Editorial Services 619 Severn Ave., Suite 201 Annapolis MD 21403 410-269-0978 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:12:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Thomas Dean Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES In-Reply-To: <199808180657.BAA0000004130@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 DStaub11@AOL.COM wrote: > How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when > publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are > experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >> Maybe this relates back to a question I had asked earlier about indexing for individuals vs. publishers. Perhaps one way to "cut your teeth" if you don't have a lot of experience is to pick up jobs from private individuals. Sure, you'll get paid less, but often these people need an index and won't/can't pay, what shall we call it, "regular rates?" I'm thinking specifically of academics again, who are often required to submit their own indexes to their university presses. I have a friend who got started this way. She's an English teacher, as is her husband. One of her husband's colleagues at the university asked my friend, who was also in the midst of self-publishing a newsletter, if she'd be interested in indexing a book for him. She had never done one before, but she said yes and got paid for her first seat-of-the-pants experience. Eventually, she was indexing for a major publisher. To be somewhat crass and light-hearted at the same time, I'd suggest looking for desperate academics. :) Tom Dean ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:52:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: indexer as interpreter you say: > My question to you is how much liberty should I take in interpreting place > and people names? Hi Charlotte! When I've encountered old letters with only first names, I've followed the advice of genealogists/indexers Patricia Law Hatcher & John V. Wylie (_Indexing Family Histories: Simple Steps for a Quality Product_, 1994, ISBN 0-915156-73-3) and indexed them as: [--?--] Margaret, 88 Robert (slave), 103 Sally (maid), 23 Willie (storekeeper), 33 (These entries would appear before the "A's", with a headnote, of course.) That way, you're not making assumptions about Margaret's identity, but a genealogist can do more research on Margaret if she chooses, and come to her own conclusions. If you don't know the maiden name, you might write: Smith Elizabeth Ann, 19 Mary [--?--], 76 Hope that helps. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- Publicity Chair of ASI http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:11:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: christy graunke Subject: Re: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance rivka wrote: > > Is there a URL for the BlueCross/BlueShield web site? I too have had > similar experience with MofO. We might all benefit from a look at the > competition. > Thanks > Rivka > The national Blue Cross/Blue Shield site is http://www.bluecares.com/ If you go to http://www.bluecares.com/local/allplans.html, you get a listing of sites by state/region. The Oregon one (which I know lists exact prices) is at http://www.bcbso.com/ Again, I am not endorsing any particular provider, but I have to admit. . . anyone who indexes their site can't be all bad! ;) christy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:11:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES In a message dated 98-08-18 00:38:27 EDT, KDiGioia@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: > I read your note about taking the Applied Indexing course. I too am trying > to get my first job, I attended the class that Susan Holbert gave. I am > curious as to how you managed to get your first job. I am also having > trouble getting my first job. Hi Kathy, Getting my first indexing job was the result of *a lot* of networking. I had been a technical writer before completing the USDA Basic Indexing course, and I've kept in close touch with my "tech writer friends" in my previous community. I told *everyone* that I was available to write indexes for technical documents, and they all said, "Really? Good! I hate to write those indexes!" Never underestimate the importance of networking! Tell your neighbors, tell your friends, tell everyone you meet at a conference or picnic or any other gathering. You never know who knows someone who needs an indexer and doesn't know where to find one! Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 http://www.asindexing.org <-- Publicity Chair of ASI http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:43:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jill Barringer Subject: Thanks for Getting Started replies This is an across the board thank you to all who replied to my GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE query. I will reply personally to each. I did not realize I was replying to the LISTSERV, however, when I answered some of these individual messages. My apologies for clogging the Mailbox. Now you know how "green" I truly am! Jill ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:20:54 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: The Bylaws Brouhaha All - Well, the starlings are twittering again. Only this time it is more like a tumult of raptors tearing at prey. Despite the ongoing awfulness of the Clinton debacle, we seem to learn nothing. Once again we are determined to take partisan positions either deifying or damning our [ASI] President and our Board, mostly without troubling to determine the facts. I have learned, at considerable cost, that we are most likely to self-destruct when we are righteously certain of our Invincible Correctness. Index-L is not the place to drag out all the claims, accusations, offenses (real and fancied), quotes and misquotes, and bitter rancor between individuals. Perhaps a secure members-only Website would be an appropriate venue, but we don't have that, so some minimal dignity and self-restraint is called for. We really should know, since we are not children, that anger blinds and deafens, and that equitable resolutions are not achieved by sitting in the tops of our partisan trees and flinging offal at each other. We should, but as history shows, we never do... Five people have resigned from the Board. They represent an enormous aggregate professional experience. That is not trivial. Unless one is willing to dismiss them all as querulous (and frivolous) airheads it seems obvious that their distress should be taken seriously. The issues that led them to resign should be explored carefully, and not devolve into a shallow and shabby "he said-she said-they said" public brawl. I do know a some of what has ocurred behind the scenes. I believe that there are serious issues to resolve. I will not discuss them here. But the recent bitterness has served to bring into focus, painfully, some weaknesses in our bylaws and in the governance of ASI. It seems to me that ASI is facing, among other trevails, a constitutional crisis: Are we to have a strong President, with broad discretionary powers and a Board that is supportive but not proactive, or are we to have a constitutional monarchy, like England, in which the presidential powers are sharply constrained, not by personal conflicts, but by statute (i.e., the by laws and Board resolutions) and in which real power is held by Parliament. None of this has anything to do with openness in government or secret cabals on the Board, or personal style, or personal animosities. It has to do with the fact that this ASI Administration has, entirely unexpectedly I am sure, brought into focus some very serious questions regarding the governance of an ASI that is trying to define itself and its role in the next decade ("next millennium" seems too grandious). So now the ASI membership (and Board) have two choices: either continue to take sides and arm themselves for a bitter civil war in which much damage will be done and absolutely no good will come, or have the courage, restraint and integrity to recognize that serious issues have been raised that demand thoughtful and nonpartisan resolution. One excellent (in theory, at least) first step has been the formation of a Bylaws Committee to review what we now have, and recommend changes. I have some concern that a group of only three people is a bit too narrow, and hope that if this nucleus does its work well, there will be a larger review committee to advise and consent before the new bylaws are ramrodded through and once again we have the spectre of secret government. With regard to the growing bitterness and shrillness concerning our incumbent president's decisions and management style, I will say only this: Matters of style must be separated from matters of statute. Whether or not we like somebody's personality and style are not legitimate grounds for... how shall I say this delicately... for "formalizing one's dismay". Style is style, and if one doesn't like it one can endure it or leave gracefully. But matters of substance, violations of bylaws and Boad resolutions, are quite another thing. These things are specific, and are grounded in fact rather than opinion. They should be taken quite seriously. If the Board is seriously distressed by factual transgressions, then let them bell the cat. Document the issues, hold a CLOSED board meeting in which these substantive issues are brought to the table, resolve them, and then go on with the business of ASI. If the bylaws are silent on some major issue or another, then it is possible that no definitive action can be taken, but ASI will have discovered flaws in our bylaws that must be addressed. But if nobody is willing to do the disagreeable work of governance, then we deserve what we get. Attacking Lori or Margie and others on Index-L is a cheap shot. It makes the writers feel self-righteous but it muddies the waters. So, either do what is needed, on a serious professional level, or, as my uncle used to say, Quitcherbitchen. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Dean [SMTP:deantom@MHD1.MOORHEAD.MSUS.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 3:12 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES > > On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 DStaub11@AOL.COM wrote: > >> How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when >> publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are >> experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >> To be > somewhat crass and light-hearted at the same time, I'd suggest looking > for > desperate academics. :) > > Tom Dean<< > Could you do this by advertising in the school paper or in professional magazines? Toni ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:29:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen K DiGioia Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Thanks Sonsie, I appreciate the helpful suggestion. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:39:52 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Tom quoted Kathy (not me) saying: >> How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when > publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are > experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >>>> >> Perhaps one way to "cut your teeth" if you don't have a lot of experience is to pick up jobs from private individuals....To be somewhat crass and light-hearted at the same time, I'd suggest looking for desperate academics. :) << I agree that this is a good way to find your first jobs. AFTER you have done a bunch of practice indexes. Don't practice on the public. We owe our clients more than that. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:56:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Thomas Dean Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES In-Reply-To: <199808182039.PAA0000006090@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 DStaub11@AOL.COM wrote: > Tom quoted Kathy (not me) saying: > > >> How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when > > publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are > > experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >>>> > > >> Perhaps one way to "cut your teeth" if > you don't have a lot of experience is to pick up jobs from private > individuals....To be somewhat crass and light-hearted at the same time, I'd > suggest looking for desperate academics. :) << > > I agree that this is a good way to find your first jobs. AFTER you have done a > bunch of practice indexes. Don't practice on the public. We owe our clients > more than that. > > Do Mi > I did mean that--after practice. And sorry about the confused attribution. Tom D. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:03:43 -0700 Reply-To: Bonny.McLaughlin@cgu.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED > Kathy wrote: > > << I am also a new indexer trying to get my first job and I read your note. > How do I create indexes for whole books and get feedback on them when > publishers won't give me a project to do without experience? Are > experienced indexers willing to do this for us novices? = >> > When you pick published books for practice indexing and comparison, remember that there are poorly constructed indexes out there, due mostly to the fact that many authors who are required to produce their own indexes choose not to pay a professional. One way to make sure that you are comparing your practice index with a good one is to use the Wilson award winning books for your practice. These books are listed in the Index-l FAQ, which is posted periodically by Charlotte. Bonny ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:26:30 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [INDEX-L] ASI health insurance Money magazine (Sept. issue, pp.69-74) has information on finding medical insurance for the self-employed. It can be sumarized as: 1. Call your state department of insruance to get a list of carriers selling individual policies. 2. Try professional and alumni connections. (My alma matter has a policy arrangement with Blue Shield.) 3. Call every company you can find, as rates vary wildly. Good luck to us all, Erin (Micki) Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:41:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen K DiGioia Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Thanks Toni. I will pursue the suggestions you gave, as there is a small two-year college in my town. I do appreciate all the suportive help I am receiving on this list. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:41:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen K DiGioia Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED-NEED ADVICE ON COURSES Thanks Tom. Dean College is right in my town, so I can start there. I appreciate your suggestions. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:10:05 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: email indexing courses? I use email now from hard knocks. I am getting a much better mix from this medium than ICQ. ICQ was a nightmare in the hands of a novice. Inevitably they'd stuff up with bad setup or no idea how to unzip a file and install a program. Please do not read into this that Dwight has opened the flood doors again. No he hasn't but he sees email as a MUCH better alternative for saving him going mad with ICQ chat interruptions every 5 minutes from students. Email is easier on both of us - teacher can read mail from students at his leisure. Student can think about the problem before bursting on the scene with 'you wouldn't believe but the cat ate my Web index' and hoping I will give them another tip or way of getting around the hassles we all live through since the Internet has made communication so immediate... This might be of interest to you... (book indexing course via email starting in 1999) http://www.wwwalker.com.au/bookindexing.html (launched in 1999) or mirror in USA http://www.speakeasy.org/~dwight/bookindexing.html Look long and hard at the thing then think 'can I do this' then get in touch with me... ;) I am not a childminding service so please be fair and do not expect free tech support as part of the deal or I will charge you MORE . Have fun out there in cyberspace... Dwight -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:42:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kim Harris Subject: Re: ASI bylaws et al. y ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:46:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Re: ASI bylaws et al. Kim Harris wrote: > y To which I simply must reply, "y not?" :-) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:00:25 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Re: ASI bylaws et al. y not? > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Harris [SMTP:KimIndex@AOL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 10:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: ASI bylaws et al. > > y ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:39:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeff & Karen Sherwood Subject: ASI by-laws, etc. Hello, I've been a lurker for quite a while, but would like to pop into the current ASI board discussion to make a very simple point: Thanks to ~all= ~ the board members, both past and present, for your service to this professional group. = I've been visiting the ASI web page every few weeks (http://www.asindexing.org), and am pleased to see the "Letters from the President" column. This is a terrific forum for informing members about ASI board activities and issues. Obviously, it takes alot of time and effort to get this information out---once again, thanks to all of those involved in doing so. I suggest we take our concerns to those who can actually do something abo= ut them---our local chapter representatives and the board members themselves= =2E = The board members' e-mail addresses can be accessed directly from the mos= t recent "Letter from the President" (August 18, 1998). Now, back to work/lurk I go, Karen Sherwood Sherwood Indexing & Information Services sherwoods@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:42:54 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Singular or Plural--Help I've lost it. I'm so deep I can't think any more... When indexing "comparing", sub-entry, "student performance" and a bunch of other sub-entries, do "comparing" and "student performance" have to agree? If so, how? I've gotten bogged down with comparing performance of students I'd love some help on this one please, my mind is ceasing to function. Thx. Rivka ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:01:01 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: WWWalker course update Due to phenomenal hassles in running courses Dwight Walker, Director, WWWalker Web Development, has been forced to remove the ICQ Web indexing course from his catalogue. He was not prepared for the huge amount of technical support and the poor quality of ICQ access in peak periods in Australia. This led to several classes being aborted because of not being able to connect despite repeated attempts over an hour! However to ease the need for online courses, he is working through options to deliver the courses via email over a longer period, say 3 months. Students who may have booked in to do interactive courses will be contacted directly to work out alternatives or shorter interactive chat sessions to get them through this intermediate period. I hope to hear from any of you that are interested in the courses WWWalker is offering: Book indexing (email) - 1999 Web indexing (email) - late 1998 Linux administration (ICQ) - now Be sure to check out the prerequisites before tackling a course. We are more than glad to give you more input before you start off into the course to be sure you get the most out it. All the best from Australia Dwight -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au, http://www.speakeasy.org/~dwight tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:00:26 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: French punctuation/MLA It's been a long time since I've had to worry about French punctuation. Could someone tell me if the ellipses are closed up as they are in Spanish? CMS doesn't make a distinction, but they don't do it in Spanish either. If any of you have the MLA, could you check that for me PLEASE. I can't find my MLA guide. merci, merci, merci Leslie Frank Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:14:23 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: more MLA French One last question, I hope. I've got to get an MLA guide, but I have to finish this stuff tonight and get it out. ARGHH! Anyway, those of you who have an MLA guide, would you check to see if quotation marks are replaced with guillemets in French. They are in CMS, but I was just notified to use MLA. Thank you, Leslie Frank Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:40:38 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Singular or Plural--Help In a message dated 8/19/98 7:44:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rivka@DIRECT.CA writes: << I've gotten bogged down with comparing performance of students My inclination would be to not use "comparing" as a main heading. This structure puts the main concepts first: students' performance comparisons That goes for all the other things that are being compared as well. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:50:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: ASI: recent ex-board members posts Recent upheavals at the National level as well as problems within the governing board (such as blatant disregard for the Bylaws) have me greatly concerned regarding the professionalism of ASI. Are other members also concerned? I am willing to compile a mailing list for a roundtable discussion (off Index-L) where our concerns can be discussed. I will automatically Cc: board members currently listed on the Web site. Please send me a message, (***WARNING - DO NOT HIT REPLY*** Please cut and paste my address into the To: field) and on Tuesday, 25 August, let's begin. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:10:23 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: book indexing course pulled till further notice I am pulling the course. When I have built it I will let you all know. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:35:58 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: professional standards in our industry Hi Just on reflecting how I had so much trouble sorting through applicants for my INDEXING courses and not my LINUX courses it made me realise how the indexing world really needs some decent guidelines on who and how to do indexing. I know the ACT Region Branch of AusSI is working on this research. We really need these kinds of pillars to build courses on. I had 2 engineers approach me for the Linux course - we are going well. About 1/2 my students in the indexing courses are raw beginners and need a preliminary warmup program from the local indexing society to see if they are REALLY going to make a go of it in indexing. Sort of like career guidance if you like. Then we will be a lot better off. This is a bit controversial but needs to be aired I feel, as I am getting to be career guidance officer, trainer and business counsellor all in one. Instead they need to be getting onto their local chamber of commerce for business advice, their society for career advice and me for indexing courses say. Hope my devastating experience goes down as a warning to those who try to build a course on shaky foundations. This is what I have found to be the case with our profession. Email your comments. I would really like to get the area of indexing as a profession on its feet for once instead of letting new generations of indexers stumble and fall for lack of good support. All the best Cheers Dwight -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:30:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Singular or Plural--Help Rivka wrote: << When indexing "comparing", sub-entry, "student performance" and a bunch of other sub-entries, do "comparing" and "student performance" have to agree? If so, how? I've gotten bogged down with comparing performance of students>> I would do comparing student performance (less wordy) (or maybe student performances?). I don't quite know what you mean by "agreement" in this case...but the main entry and subentry need to have a logical relationship, and I think this is okay. <> I've been there! Take some deep breaths, look away for a little, and then see if your wordings make sense. Good luck! Keep asking questions! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:17:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Singular or Plural--Help In-Reply-To: > I've gotten bogged down with > > comparing > performance of students > >My inclination would be to not use "comparing" as a main heading. This >structure puts the main concepts first: > > students' performance > comparisons I tend to agree with Nell, but I just did a book that had a number of items compared to each other, and those comparisons would be of great interest in that context so I did make a main entry but I called it comparisons me to you him to her one to another etc. All the comparisons also appeared under each of the items' main entries, me compared to you you compared to me etc. with here and there a versus instead of a compared, if it was more appropriate (but not usually), but I had plenty of room in this index. If I hadn't, I would have had to decide whether to leave them under their own main headings and delete the comparisons entry, or vice versa. In this *particular* case, but not in most others, I think I would have left the main entry comparisons, but I would have had to think about it a lot. Would proably have asked the editor to decide. Glad to know I'm not the only one with a large dead zone in the brain!!! Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Michaud Subject: thanks - re: indexing examples Thank you to those who responded to my question about indexing the many chemical names and ingredients scattered through the book. I decided, after considering your answers, to index the ingredients as well as the product types. I felt that the users might want to find specific ingredient in some cases, as well as types. Thanks! Christine Michaud Michaud Editorial Services cmichaud@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:41:48 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rivka Subject: Results of Singular vs Plural --------------6532EC7A8733C55E207314BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANKS to everyone for all the help. Martha gave me the key points: One of the best things I've learned about indexing is when and why (often and even always subjective but valid) to break the rules. And the gerund "comparing" (or at least "comparisons" ) as a main entry IS appropriate in certain indexes - only YOU can decide for sure. I've decided to index: comparisons of student performance Gang, you're wonderful. My brain is slightly un-fried after a good sleep--back into the I-zone. Rivka --------------6532EC7A8733C55E207314BE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANKS to everyone for all the help.

Martha gave me the key points:
One of the best things I've learned about indexing is when and why (often
and even always subjective but valid) to break the rules.
And the gerund "comparing" (or at least "comparisons" ) as a main entry IS
appropriate in certain indexes - only YOU can decide for sure.

I've decided to index:
comparisons
   of student performance

Gang, you're wonderful. My brain is slightly un-fried after a good sleep--back into
the I-zone.

Rivka
 
 
  --------------6532EC7A8733C55E207314BE-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:42:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: professional standards in our industry I know. My third post in about 2 minutes (Am I overwhelming you?) What about this Dwight Walker and his courses? I'm glad I haven't signed up. Suellen _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:18:10 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: MACREX question / urgent Hi all - Please help! I have a number of pages that have been re-numbered. I am trying to get the re-number feature to work but nothing is happening. Here are my settings: The index is in sorted order. The merge menu options have been re-set to reflect the changes. (I have not saved them; however, when I pull the option screen up again, the new values are indicated as default values). The option for "new file" is set to "no". I select "start merge". I check the entries on the pages and nothing has happened; page numbers are still reading the old numbers. I've tried this 3 times. What am I doing wrong? Thx in advance - Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:29:20 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: MACREX question / urgent Lillian wrote: << I have a number of pages that have been re-numbered. I am trying to get the re-number feature to work but nothing is happening. Here are my settings: The index is in sorted order. The merge menu options have been re-set to reflect the changes. (I have not saved them; however, when I pull the option screen up again, the new values are indicated as default values). The option for "new file" is set to "no". I select "start merge". I check the entries on the pages and nothing has happened; page numbers are still reading the old numbers.<< Hi Lillian--I tried it with two things different from yours: "new file" is set to yes (I always do this, as the manual recommends), and I saved the merge file to default by hitting escape before pressing "start merge." Try it that way and call me if it doesn't work, okay? Do Mi 541-461-5085 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:02:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: professional standards in our industry In-Reply-To: <199808201943.PAA12724@camel5.mindspring.com> At 03:42 PM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >I know. My third post in about 2 minutes (Am I overwhelming you?) What >about this Dwight Walker and his courses? I'm glad I haven't signed up. Actually, Dwight is well known on this list and well thought of. His recent course offerings were an ambitious attempt to share his skills with others in the indexing community. I for one am sorry to see he's had technical problems. If he offers the courses again, you could do worse than sign up. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:17:58 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Macrex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: MACREX question / urgent Dear Lillian: Without knowing exactly how you have have set Merge options J, K, L and M it is impossible to know why the renumbering isn't working. Also, you will get a quicker answer from me if you at least copy your questions rather than relying on my seeing an Index-L posting during your time of need. Gale Rhoades Macrex Support Office, North America In a message dated 98-08-20 18:18:10 EDT, you write: << I have a number of pages that have been re-numbered. I am trying to get the re-number feature to work but nothing is happening. Here are my settings: The index is in sorted order. The merge menu options have been re-set to reflect the changes. (I have not saved them; however, when I pull the option screen up again, the new values are indicated as default values). The option for "new file" is set to "no". I select "start merge". I check the entries on the pages and nothing has happened; page numbers are still reading the old numbers. I've tried this 3 times. What am I doing wrong? >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:35:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: working out of the country This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDCC8A.DA96A1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have any tips, ideas on how one can maintain an indexing business = even if s/he is not living in the US? I'm not talking if they move to = England, but places such as South America, etc. =20 No this is a question not often seen, right? Kevin A. Broccoli ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDCC8A.DA96A1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone have any tips, ideas on how = one can=20 maintain an indexing business even if s/he is not living in the = US?  I'm=20 not talking if they move to England, but places such as South America,=20 etc. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDCC8A.DA96A1E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:30:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: MACREX renumber /solved Hi everyone - Many, many thx to all who responded to my plea for help. Michael Brackney hit the right solution. I had misread the manual --3 times! and not changed one of the default options: "J". The pages are now successfully renumbered! Thx, Michael, for pointing me in the right direction and thx, also, to Do Mi for the reassuring words over the telephone. Again, many thx to all. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:46:51 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: working out of the country My brother is in Peru doing anthropological research. He does indexing on the side with his laptop. His clients were developed before he left and I handle finances, edits, calls to the client, etc. The rest is done via email. I think it can work if you have someone to help you with communications. I don't have a clue about finding clients overseas. Where will you be? Nell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:32:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: working out of the country - >My brother is in Peru doing anthropological research. He does indexing on the >side with his laptop. > >His clients were developed before he left and I handle finances, edits, calls >to the client, etc. The rest is done via email. > >I think it can work if you have someone to help you with communications. > >I don't have a clue about finding clients overseas. Where will you be? > >Nell Hi Nell: Thanks for the above info. Funny because Peru is a possibility. Either that or Ecuador or Chile. Wouldn't be for quite some time, but nice to get it worked out just in case. What I was most concerned about is how to receive the page proofs from the publisher. How does your brother work that out? Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:58:20 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: working out of the country In a message dated 8/21/98 8:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brocindx@CATSKILL.NET writes: << >My brother is in Peru doing anthropological research. He does indexing on the >side with his laptop. > >His clients were developed before he left and I handle finances, edits, calls >to the client, etc. The rest is done via email. > >I think it can work if you have someone to help you with communications. > >I don't have a clue about finding clients overseas. Where will you be? > >Nell Hi Nell: Thanks for the above info. Funny because Peru is a possibility. Either that or Ecuador or Chile. Wouldn't be for quite some time, but nice to get it worked out just in case. What I was most concerned about is how to receive the page proofs from the publisher. How does your brother work that out? Kevin >> Kevin, I mailed the proofs to him first class. It took a little less than a week. His current project is a journal so he has 'till the end of the year. A project with a quick turnaround would not work as well. Why don't you do your web indexing? Then you won't have to worry about proofs! Nell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:28:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: working out of the country >Kevin, > >I mailed the proofs to him first class. It took a little less than a week. His >current project is a journal so he has 'till the end of the year. A project >with a quick turnaround would not work as well. > >Why don't you do your web indexing? Then you won't have to worry about proofs! > >Nell That's true. I do have some Web indexing work that will be regular starting in October. I have also been examining the option of doing online help (WinHelp, etc.) Anyone have info on that? Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:12:04 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sally Lutz Subject: signing off instructions Can anyone tell me how to temporarily sign off Index-L or let me know how to reach Charlotte to get instructions? Thanks for your help. Sally ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:11:44 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Toni Williams TPG/SG Subject: Testing My apologies to all. I'm trying to find out why I had no mail when I logged on this morning. I subscribe to a couple of lists and usually have about 50 messages in the morning. Today nothing. I'm posting this to see if I see it. Thanks for your patience. Toni ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:03:22 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: Web indexing course notes still available I am still receiving enquiries about the Web indexing course notes. These are still available. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com)