From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 12-AUG-1997 15:15:00.94 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9707B" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:33:02 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9707B" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:37:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Re: New to List In a message dated 97-07-06 16:36:54 EDT, you write: > I am new to this list and am wondering if someone can give me a little info. > about it. What kind of people subscribe? Is everyone in the > indexing/editing/publishing fields? Suzanne, Welcome! Like the others, I can only answer for myself. After 22 years at a large, international corporation (7 of those years as a technical writer), I went freelance. In addition to freelance technical writing, I've been indexing and editing for the last few years. I have a heavy-duty technical and computer background. Like technical writing, indexers come from all walks of life. I think that most indexers will agree that indexing is an art. But one of the benefits of this list is to try to agree on some standards, for the benefit of our readers. Most indexers love to read books, and most indexers have good analytical skills. After reading the manuscript, the indexer must analyze the text for keywords, concepts, synonyms, etc. Because many of us work in isolated environments where we are the only indexer, this list is *great* for the comraderie and support. It's like having 500 mentors available at your fingertips at all times! Many of us are somehow related to the indexing/editing/publishing fields (or we work with people in those fields), but I think that you'll find that the people on this list are professional, diplomatic and helpful. We're not perfect, but it's great to have other professionals to bounce ideas off of. And then it's great to meet each other face-to-face at the annual American Society of Indexers (ASI) conference. Next year's conference is May 13-16 in Seattle, WA. If you're not already a member of ASI, you should join (see http://www.well.com/user/asi/) and you should plan on attending the conference. The ASI home page has a LOT of good information about indexing and ASI (as well as a FAQ section). And there are some great books on indexing, if you haven't read them already, like Indexing Books, by Nancy Mulvany and Indexing from A to Z, by Hans Wellisch. And of course, the USDA course on Basic Indexing is great too...but you'll read about that on the ASI home page. Welcome and best wishes! Peg Mauer co-leader of Western NY chapter of ASI ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:51:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chris Carr Subject: "indexing" I thought you all would appreciate this... I saw an ad in the local newspaper: runner/file clerk needed to run errands, file, blah blah,...index... Sound like high quality? I think I've seen that ad several times before... Chris ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:58:11 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Mass mailings (was Figuring rates (and getting started)) In-Reply-To: <199707042208.PAA22289@mx5.u.washington.edu> For all solicitation letters, whether a mass mailing (I've only done two) or targeted to a specific publisher, I ALWAYS include a resume, a business card, and a short sample (2-3 pages) of my work; this is nothing more than a cleaned up printout (in columns) from a relevant index I've done, with the full bibliographic citation (author, title, publisher, date) at the top of the first page. A letter by itself is just paper. A sample shows what I can do. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA. On Fri, 4 Jul 1997 LLFEdServ@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 97-07-03 21:46:39 EDT, you write: > > << > Indexers do differ in whether they like to do mass mailings or tailor > individual letters. Like Cynthia, I like to send out lots. Even one small > job will pay for that mailing many times over. It's a balance: when you > know what individual publishers publish, and you like the sound of it, > tailor some letters to them which will act as models for letters to the > others; send out your mass mailing to those whose subjects and style aren't > obviously of interest to you. >> > > How many indexers send out resumes or brochures with their mass mailing > letters? Or do you just send a letter? Just out of curiosity. I'm getting > ready to try a mass mailing campaign. > > Thanks, > Leslie > Frank Words Indexing and Editing > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:07:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lawrenc846@AOL.COM Subject: Macao Statistics I finally had time to retrieve the following information on Macao. In view of the recent comments on its history, I thought people might find it to be of use. The data comes from the 1997 Collier's Encyclopedia: Established by 1557 as a Portuguese outpost, it had a governor appointed by Portugal in 1680. Portugal declared Macao a free port in 1845 and a colony in 1849, but China did not recognize Portuguese sovereignty until 1887. Portugal offered to return Macao to China in 1975 but the offer was declined. Since 1976 both Portugal and the People's Republic of China have regarded Macao as Chinese territory under Portuguese administration. In 1987 China and Portugal reached an agreement whereby the territory would be returned to China in 1999 and woudl be guaranteed 50 years of noninterference in its way of life and capitalist economy. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:09:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Corrington Subject: Re: Staying in Shape Willma - I'm interested in the sports/travel SIG. Please let me know what's going on and how I can be included within this group. Thanks, Paul Corrington Corrington Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:24:25 -0400 Reply-To: INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LBaker@GALE.COM Subject: Macao Statistics Larry Baker@ITP 07/08/97 02:24 PM I finally had time to retrieve the following information on Macao. In view of the recent comments on its history, I thought people might find it to be of use. The data comes from the 1997 Collier's Encyclopedia: Established by 1557 as a Portuguese outpost, it had a governor appointed by Portugal in 1680. Portugal declared Macao a free port in 1845 and a colony in 1849, but China did not recognize Portuguese sovereignty until 1887. Portugal offered to return Macao to China in 1975 but the offer was declined. Since 1976 both Portugal and the People's Republic of China have regarded Macao as Chinese territory under Portuguese administration. In 1987 China and Portugal reached an agreement whereby the territory would be returned to China in 1999 and woudl be guaranteed 50 years of noninterference in its way of life and capitalist economy. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:53:55 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vicki Birchfield Subject: Librarianship / Computer Science This isn't about indexing, but I know there are many librarians reading this list. I'm hoping some of you will tell me what it's really like working as a librarian in the digital age. I'm a software developer with about 12 years engineering experience. I am thinking about getting an MLS so that I can use my technical & project management skills in service to librarianship. My undergraduate degree is in computer science, but I've always felt torn between the thrills (stunning peaks between valleys of agony) of programming and my love of literature, the idea of the history and preservation of knowledge, and the simple physical presence of books. Since 4th grade, I have thought that librarians are powerful and magnificent beings, and that to be a librarian is to be a member of a most noble profession. So my heart says yes, but my head wonders what the job market is like for librarians in general, and for those with cs backgrounds in particular. My friends and associates seem to think I'd be better off pursuing my master's in computer science and working in database systems. But I think something is lost with that approach, namely the idea of service which is inherent to librarianship, and also the membership in a professional community. Am I nuts? Am I naive? My motivation in changing careers is not financial, but I don't want to starve either. If there are any librarians out there who have a moment to spare, I'd appreciate hearing your opinions. Sorry this is so long. Vicki Birchfield ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:53:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Organization: MacAllen's Information Service Subject: Re: Getting Started Thanks, Carolyn, for your comments. That was exactly the kind of information for which I was looking. Do you call publishers to determine who should receive your mailing? And I assume you must make follow-up calls after you've completed the mailing? Does anyone else do anything differently? Willa MacAllen MacAllen's Information Services Librarian/Technical Writer Boston macallen@tiac.net (It looks as though I just landed a long-term research job through a referral, without even a job interview! While I know this isn't indexing, I had to share this pleasant surprise with someone.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:46:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jmccomp3@AOL.COM Subject: Library Multimedia Resources FOR THOUSANDS OF LIBRARY MULTIMEDIA RESOURCES, GO TO: http://free.websight.com/HillMultimediaCompanyEducationalVideos/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:13:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AebliC@AOL.COM Subject: Re: New to List Someone asked how many librarians subscribed to the list. Well, I don't know, but as I am a librarian, I know there's at least one! I just finished up the USDA course, but since I'm currently working 2 library jobs, I haven't had time to begin a new career just yet. Carol Aebli AebliC@aol.com "Wannabe indexer and very busy librarian" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:56:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Mesner Subject: Librarian's response Hi everyone, I'm another librarian who lurks because she is not ready yet to move into indexing. I've done some in the past and decided that I want to do this when I retire in three year. Next year I'm going to start training in earnest, but right now I'm gaining tons of insights about everything on this list. I attended the Conference in Winston-Salem in May and now know that this is what I want to do. Vickie, I'm gong to answer your request personally because it's a question that I can't quite ignore and I'm going to probably write a rather lenthy response. I don't think the rest of the group will want to wade through how I currently view librarianship after almost thirty years of practice. Lil Mesner **************************************************************************** Lillian R. Mesner Lexington, KY 40546-0091 Technical Services Librarian Phone: 606-257-2758 Agricultural Library Fax: 606-323-4719 University of Kentucky Internet: lmesner@pop.uky.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:05:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Lutzow Subject: Re: New to List Well, I'm a librarian also, so there's at least two! Speaking of having the time to start a new career, how much time DOES it take to get started in indexing? Is it something you can start slowly with, 2-3 hours per day, or do you need to be able to drop everything when you get a job and spend 8-10 (or more?) hours per day at it? I've been "lurking" on the list since April to see if this is a field I'd like to get into, and I've read postings about what people have gone through to meet deadlines. Will I be able to keep my fulltime day job until I build up a customer base? I realize I have a lot of training to do before I even consider advertising for work, but I'm wondering how to transition smoothly from one career to the other. In the meantime, I'm reading through the books on indexing and trying to decide whether to take the USDA course. By the way, this is a great list and has been extremely helpful! Eileen Lutzow Charleston County Library Charleston, S.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Someone asked how many librarians subscribed to the list. Well, I don't know, but as I am a librarian, I know there's at least one! I just finished up the USDA course, but since I'm currently working 2 library jobs, I haven't had time to begin a new career just yet. Carol Aebli AebliC@aol.com "Wannabe indexer and very busy librarian" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:08:30 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ella Patterson Subject: Re: Librarian's response Another lurking librarian! On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:56:19 -0400 Lillian Mesner wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm another librarian who lurks because she is not ready yet to move > into indexing. I've done some in the past and decided that I want to do > this when I retire in three year. Next year I'm going to start training in > earnest, but right now I'm gaining tons of insights about everything on this > list. I attended the Conference in Winston-Salem in May and now know that > this is what I want to do. > Vickie, I'm gong to answer your request personally because it's a > question that I can't quite ignore and I'm going to probably write a rather > lenthy response. I don't think the rest of the group will want to wade > through how I currently view librarianship after almost thirty years of > practice. > > Lil Mesner > **************************************************************************** > > Lillian R. Mesner Lexington, KY 40546-0091 > Technical Services Librarian Phone: 606-257-2758 > Agricultural Library Fax: 606-323-4719 > University of Kentucky Internet: lmesner@pop.uky.edu ---------------------- Ella Patterson E.Patterson@qub.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:32:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Organization: MacAllen's Information Service Subject: Re: New to List AebliC@AOL.COM wrote: > > Someone asked how many librarians subscribed to the list. Well, I don't know, > but as I am a librarian, I know there's at least one! > > I just finished up the USDA course, but since I'm currently working 2 library > jobs, I haven't had time to begin a new career just yet. > > Carol Aebli > AebliC@aol.com > > "Wannabe indexer and very busy librarian" Welcome Carol: I was the person who asked how many other librarians there are on the list. Since I'm a Librarian as well, we now know there are at least two of us! And I can empathize with you on working 2 jobs. However, I guess that one of the consolations in having more than one job is that there is safety in numbers! Willa MacAllen MacAllen's Information Services Librarian/Technical Writer Boston macallen@tiac.net (Constantly wishing that there were more hours in each day....) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:51:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Laura M. Gottlieb" Subject: Librarianship over 30 years 9 July 1997 As a *former* librarian (worked for ten years in public libraries) who periodically considers getting back into libraries, I for one would be very interested in Lillian Mesner's view of how librarianship has changed in the last 30 years (my last library job was from 1985-1990). Lillian, could you either share your views with the list or email me privately with them? Thanks!--Laura Moss Gottlieb, Freelance Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:10:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Becky Steele/VENTANA Subject: USDA Course I am an index coordinator looking to take the USDA course. I wanted to get opinions from the list to see if it is worth the time and money. There is also a course here at one of the local universities, but it deals more with abstracting I think. Can any of you experienced indexers help me out.....thanks - b ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:19:31 UT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Richard Subject: Job Opportunity with the Shoah Foundation Hello Index-Lers- Surfing the web today I came across a job y'all might be interested in... Sounds like a fascinating opportunity for Indexers with History experience/degrees. The following is the text from the web page: http://www.cooljobs.com/coolbin/vhf.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cool Jobs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cataloguer A Cataloguer is responsible for indexing the content of Holocaust Survivor testimonies so that the information can be easily retrieved. The Shoah Foundation (the Founder and Chairman is Steven Spielberg) is currently seeking full-time Cataloguers for both the day and night shifts. Positions include salary and benefits. A degree in History or the equivalent in Judaic Studies is a must. A good research and library background is preferred. Cataloguers will work on a multi-media system creating a breakthrough "Digital Library system." The archive of survivor testimonies will be used as a tool for global education about the Holocaust and to teach racial, ethnic, and cultural tolerance. The Foundation is very cool because the people who work here are from all over the world. Many have traveled extensively, have their Masters and Phd's in History, and speak many different languages. If you've majored in History, this is your chance to put it to use. To apply, contact Jill Harwell, Cataloguing Coordinator at the Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation, P.O. Box 3168, Los Angeles, CA 90078-3168 or e-mail harwell@vhf.org Last Updated June 27, 1997 www.cooljobs.com - (c)1996-1997 - JABS Productions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hope this was helpful. This sounds like a perfect job for a person with the right experience/location. The add does not specify that you have to be in the Los Angeles area. I would encourage anyone with the right background and a love of history and humanity to give it a try no matter where they are located. Linda Richard linda_richard@msn.com (who wishes she had the experience/background to be a part of such an important project) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:57:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: New to List In-Reply-To: <199707091511.IAA09275@mx4.u.washington.edu> I am a full-time medical librarian who has been moonlighting as an indexer since 1991. I currently average 15-20 hrs/week indexing in addition to my full-time position; but it's sporadic, depending on what's in the pipeline. Two years ago I had 8 months with absolutely NO breaks between projects and only 2 days during that time period that I wasn't indexing daily (including vacations and holidays); this year I went for 3 months with nothing in the pipeline. So It All Depends (but does pay for two kids in college!). My assumption when I started was that it would take 3-5 years to acquire the client base and level of indexing I wanted, and that was just about on target. Took about 3 years before I started turning work down for lack of time. When the aforementioned kids both graduate (about the time I will be elegible for early retirement), I do intend to move to full-time indexing; but in the meantime (and as long as I can manage with 5 hours of sleep a night) I'll continue as a moonlighter. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA. On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Eileen Lutzow wrote: > Well, I'm a librarian also, so there's at least two! Speaking of having the > time to start a new career, how much time DOES it take to get started in > indexing? Is it something you can start slowly with, 2-3 hours per day, or do > you need to be able to drop everything when you get a job and spend 8-10 (or > more?) hours per day at it? I've been "lurking" on the list since April to see > if this is a field I'd like to get into, and I've read postings about what > people have gone through to meet deadlines. Will I be able to keep my fulltime > day job until I build up a customer base? I realize I have a lot of training > to do before I even consider advertising for work, but I'm wondering how to > transition smoothly from one career to the other. In the meantime, I'm reading > through the books on indexing and trying to decide whether to take the USDA > course. > > By the way, this is a great list and has been extremely helpful! > > Eileen Lutzow > Charleston County Library > Charleston, S.C. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Someone asked how many librarians subscribed to the list. Well, I don't know, > but as I am a librarian, I know there's at least one! > > I just finished up the USDA course, but since I'm currently working 2 library > jobs, I haven't had time to begin a new career just yet. > > Carol Aebli > AebliC@aol.com > > "Wannabe indexer and very busy librarian" > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:16:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Re: USDA Course In a message dated 97-07-09 11:33:43 EDT, you write: > I am an index coordinator looking to take the USDA course. I wanted to get > opinions from the list to see if it is worth the time and money. I think that the USDA course is an excellent course and an excellent value. The course costs about $281 for 11 lessons; that's about $25.54 per lesson, including *all* course materials, gas, parking, etc. ;-) You have 1 year to complete the course, which is appropriate, I think. The instructors are experienced, professional indexers. You get personalized feedback from your instructor, and your instructor will probably be happy to answer any indexing-related questions that you may have (although you should read the FAQ section of the ASI home page first; see http://www.well.com/user/asi/). The course materials include _Indexing Books_, by Nancy Mulvany, and a booklet which contains the chapter of _The Chicago Manual of Style, 14th Edition_, that is dedicated to Indexing. The course also includes a lot of advice on starting an indexing business, marketing yourself, finding clients, indexing software, etc. By the time you finish this course, you'll definitely know if indexing is for you! Peg Mauer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:08:46 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Xena, Warrior Princess" Subject: computer manual question Hi all, I am new to both this list and indexing, and have a question that I would like as many different opinions on as possible. I am preparing the index for a second edition of a Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 manual. My problem is that the book contains almost identical information in four separate chapters, and the only difference is that two of the chapters provide examples and keystrokes for Win 3.1 while two do the same for Win 95. The index for the first edition contains such entries as: Format Disk(Win 3.1) Format Disk(Win 95) I would like to expand on the prior index but cringe at the thought of making hundreds of separate entries followed by parenthetical references. Should I: a)do separate entry headings for Win 3.1 and Win 95 and list the same things underneath each? Windows 3.1 cut, copy, and paste formatting multi-tasking Windows 95 blah blah blah more blah or b)make the commands themselves the entries? Formatting Windows 3.1 Windows 95 or c)neither of the above? Run screaming from this book which is starting to consume my life? Thank you in advance for your help. (new and clueless)Sarah Statz srstatz@students.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:31:03 +0600 Reply-To: Roberta Engleman Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Engleman Subject: Re: Librarian's response/New to list In-Reply-To: <97Jul9.101405-0400_edt.53255-98276+61@email.unc.edu> Another long-time librarian here, not quite a lurker, but what Horace calls a cultor infrequens. I've been a cataloger/rare book librarian for twenty-three years and an indexer for the last nine of those years. Most of the time I'm extremely busy. There's a sort of built-in clientele at a large university. I'm interested to know how many of you have been conducting a library career and a simultaneous indexing career for a long time. I have a lot of admiration for Carolyn, who can find time to contribute to the profession as well. (Yes, Triangle Area indexers, I'm not dead---) ________________________________________________________________________ Roberta Engleman On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Ella Patterson wrote: > Another lurking librarian! > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:32:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: Mass mailings (was Figuring rates (and getting started)) Carolyn Weaver wrote: > > For all solicitation letters, whether a mass mailing (I've only done > two) > or targeted to a specific publisher, I ALWAYS include a resume, a > business > card, and a short sample (2-3 pages) of my work; this is nothing more > than > a cleaned up printout (in columns) from a relevant index I've done, > with > the full bibliographic citation (author, title, publisher, date) at > the > top of the first page. A letter by itself is just paper. A sample > shows > what I can do. Hi, all. After computer problems and bunches of work, I'm able to post again... for now :-(. I've been sending mailings to selected publishers, usually unsolicited. I send a brief cover letter (who I am, what I do, how I got the person's name), a personal resume, a list of titles indexed in the last year, and 2 business cards (one regular size, one formatted as a Rolodex card with "Indexing" on the tab). I say that samples and references are available on request, and I follow up with a phone call 2 weeks later. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:49:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janice Coffield Subject: computer manual question -Reply From Xena, Warrior Princess : I am preparing the index for a second edition of a Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 manual. My problem is that the book contains almost identical information in four separate chapters, and the only difference is that two of the chapters provide examples and keystrokes for Win 3.1 while two do the same for Win 95. The index for the first edition contains such entries as: Format Disk(Win 3.1) Format Disk(Win 95) I would like to expand on the prior index but cringe at the thought of making hundreds of separate entries followed by parenthetical references. Should I: a)do separate entry headings for Win 3.1 and Win 95 and list the same things underneath each? Windows 3.1 cut, copy, and paste formatting multi-tasking Windows 95 blah blah blah more blah or b)make the commands themselves the entries? Formatting Windows 3.1 Windows 95 or c)neither of the above? Run screaming from this book which is starting to consume my life? *** My two cents: If you start a heading for Win 3.1 and a heading for Win 95, you may find you have to index the entire book under each of these headings in order to make them complete. I would choose option b, making the commands themselves the entries. It may seem repetitious to put subheadings for each Windows version under the command headings, but users of computer manuals usually go looking for the functions they want to perform and they might not think to look for it under the name of the software release they happen to be using. Janice Coffield, Indexer who is frequently frustrated by the software reference materials, both manuals and online help! P.S. I've heard Microsoft has figured out the difference between a table of contents and a topical index, and done it well - I'm looking forward to using Office 97! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:58:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joel S. Berson" Subject: Macrex question: "see also" in parentheses This is a question about Macrex. (I've also asked Gale Rhoades.) I am trying to format "see also" cross-references enclosed in parentheses in an index with run-on subentries; e.g.: business deductions 12 (^see also^ expenses) First, I was able to get the closing parenthesis (via the Print Options Menu 3 Option A, text at end of cross-refs), but not the opening parenthesis. Then I managed to get the opening parenthesis via the Merge Options Menu Option T -- but I had to override what the Macrex User guide says about NOT including a space - that is, I had to enter space-parenthesis for this option. This gave me business deductions 12 ( ^see also^ ... so I corrected that by changing " ^see also" to "^see also" - that is, deleting the space before the caret. (I assume that to get this right upon original entry, I would have to change the ALT-F1 macro to eliminate the space?) However, once I got the opening parenthesis, now these entries are missing the closing parenthesis! That is, I get: business deductions 12 (^see also^ expenses Can anyone help? What do you do to get this format for cross-references? Thanks, Joel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:19:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: New to the List I'd like to add about the constituency of the list that there are also editors who work for various publishers. I have provided subscription instructions to editors interested in learning how better to work with indexers. They are among the contributors who add meaning to our discourse. One might also be cautioned against lambasting editors. :O Welcome to the list, Suzanne. Craig Brown The Last Word = ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:19:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: Mass Mailings I know there are other indexers who, like I, avoid mass mailings in favor= of sending about a letter a day. Economies of scale, I suppose, but it i= s easier for me to do that. I call a publisher first (working on a list compiled from The Literary Marketplace) to see if the company even uses freelance indexers. If so, I try to get the name of an editor and send m= y resume and a cover letter. I only send samples when I've spoken to an editor who asks for them. It seems to me most aren't interested in gener= ic samples, but rather in stuff in their specialty. = I got a call back this week from an editor I had written in September 199= 6. That doesn't seem unusual. Patience is key. My $.02 Craig Brown The Last Word ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:54:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: The Time it Takes As a part-time indexer, I usually have 15-20 hours a week available to spend on indexing. At that I'm indexing evenings and weekends when a deadline looms. That schedule means, however, that I can only accept books with relatively long lead times. There is simply no way I can do a 400-page computer manual in four days. Nor can I do more than one project at a time. Tried it once, nearly went crazy. In addition, because of other commitments (for example, I'm teaching a course on indexing and abstracting until August 23), I sometimes cannot accept any indexing jobs at all. So yes, it is possible to do it part-time. But it means being upfront with the editor about your time schedule and realizing that it does place limits on the kinds and amount of work you can accept. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:05:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Patricia Bankhead Subject: Re: USDA Course i'VE JUST FINISHED THE FIRST COURSE AND HAVE REGISTERED FOR THE SECOND. I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT...VERY IN DEPTH. EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT SPECIFICS--PATRICIA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:19:29 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Sachs Subject: Re: computer manual question >I am preparing the index for a second edition of a Windows 3.1 and Windows >95 manual. My problem is that the book contains almost identical >information in four separate chapters, and the only difference is that two >of the chapters provide examples and keystrokes for Win 3.1 while two do >the same for Win 95. >The index for the first edition contains such entries as: >Format Disk(Win 3.1) >Format Disk(Win 95) Because most readers will be interested in one type of entry or the other, but not both, I would consider a rather unconventional solution: one index for each topic, with the system-independent entries duplicated. If the indexes are more than a page each their headings should be VERY PROMINENT, to protect readers from looking at the wrong one without noticing it. Jonathan Sachs Sand River Software, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:35:04 -0700 Reply-To: bancroft@inreach.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kay or Larry Bancroft Subject: Librarian's Response I am another librarian hoping to become an indexer soon. After spending 18 years in librarianship in public libraries and the community college library, I retired a few months ago to (hopefully) become an indexer. I'm almost finished with the USDA course and have really enjoyed it. I'm sure there must be lots of indexers/librarians, for noone is more dependent on good indexes than librarians in helping people find answers to specific quesitions. Also, I never purchased any nonfiction book for my library that didn't have an adequate index. It has been most encouraging lurking on this list for the past year as I make a career change. I have learned so much from your postings, and thank everyone for sharing your knowledge and experience. I hope I will have something useful to contribute soon! Kay Bancroft ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:39:24 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Indexing Skills Workshop for Technical Communicators FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ... Lori Lathrop (e-mail: 76620.456@compuserve.com) will present her popular INDEXING SKILLS WORKSHOP FOR TECHNICAL COMMUNICATORS in Boulder, Colorado, on Friday, September 12, 1997. The following day, on September 13, 1997, the Colorado Chapter of the American Society of Indexers will hold its 3rd Annual Rocky Mountain Indexing Conference. This one-day workshop is for technical writers and indexers who want to create quality indexes for both printed manuals and online documentation. This workshop provides a step-by-step method for creating quality indexes - indexes that help readers retrieve the information they need when they need it. INDEXING SKILLS WORKSHOP FOR TECHNICAL COMMUNICATORS DATE: Friday, September 12, 1997 TIME: 9 AM to 5 PM PLACE: Marriott Hotel 2660 Canyon Blvd. Boulder, CO 80302 1-800-228-9290 You can get a special rate of $99 (a $40 savings) if you mention the Indexing Skills Workshop when you make your reservation. The deadline for this special rate is August 11, 1997. FEE: $165.00 per attendee Space is limited. The deadline for registrations is September 2, 1997. Mail your payment to: Lori Lathrop Lathrop Media Services P.O. Box 3065 Idaho Springs, CO 80452 For more information on the INDEXING SKILLS WORKSHOP FOR TECHNICAL COMMUNICATORS on 9/12, please send an e-mail message to: 76620.456@compuserve.com For more information on the ASI-Colorado Chapter's 3rd Annual Rocky Mountain Indexing Conference, which will be at the Meadows Branch of the Boulder Public Library on 9/13, send an e-mail message to Ingrid Becher: ihbecher@aol.com Looking forward to seeing you on September 12 & 13 .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4447, ext. 28 / Fax: 303-567-9306 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:16:46 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Schwilk, Michael" Subject: locators for multivolume indexes Hi everyone, I have searched in vein (Mulvaney, CMS, Wellisch) for a preferred style for locators in a multivolume cumulative index. My preference is vol. number in bold, colon, (no space) page, comma, page, semicolon, next vol. number. Other cumulative indexes we have compiled have used commas only, semicolons separating new volumes (in bold). Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Michael Schwilk Harcourt Brace ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:41:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suzanne Stevenson Subject: Re: computer manual question I think option b! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:45:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suzanne Stevenson Subject: Re: USDA Course Who can I contact to get hard-copy info. about the course? Unfortunately, my little Mac doesn't have enough memory to upgrade so that I can browse the net, so I canot go to the ASI website. Could someone post this info. or eMail me privately? Thanks so much! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:18:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Librarian's response We took a count at a Washinton indexers meeting once, and about 75% of the attendees had library degrees. I think those figures might be somewhat lower across the nation, but librarians (or ex-librarians like me, although you are never really an ex-librarian) seem to make up about 50%. Jan Wright ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:51:07 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joel S. Berson" Subject: Re: computer manual question I would retain the current style > Format Disk (Win 3.1) > Format Disk (Win 95) because I think readers of a manual mostly want to know how to execute a command or what keystrokes to use for a function. With the style > Windows 3.1 > cut, copy, and paste > formatting > multi-tasking > Windows 95 > blah blah blah > more blah they will have to remember each time they use the index that they must first start with the operating system name, and then they will have to search through a long list of subentries to find the function. The style > Formatting > Windows 3.1 > Windows 95 has the disadvantage of introducing an extra subentry level that is not very informative, since it always is either Windows 3.1 or Windows 95, and will be complex if there are other subentry levels, such as Formatting CD ROMs disks tapes Joel ----- Janice Coffield wrote: > > >From Xena, Warrior Princess : > > I am preparing the index for a second edition of a Windows > 3.1 and Windows > 95 manual. My problem is that the book contains almost > identical information in four separate chapters, and the only > difference is that two of the chapters provide examples and > keystrokes for Win 3.1 while two do the same for Win 95. > The index for the first edition contains such entries as: > Format Disk(Win 3.1) > Format Disk(Win 95) > > I would like to expand on the prior index but cringe at the > thought of making hundreds of separate entries followed by > parenthetical references. > Should I: a)do separate entry headings for Win 3.1 and Win > 95 and list the same things underneath each? > Windows 3.1 > cut, copy, and paste > formatting > multi-tasking > Windows 95 > blah blah blah > more blah > > or b)make the commands themselves the entries? > Formatting > Windows 3.1 > Windows 95 > > or c)neither of the above? Run screaming from this book > which is starting to consume my life? > > *** > My two cents: > If you start a heading for Win 3.1 and a heading for Win 95, > you may find you have to index the entire book under each > of these headings in order to make them complete. I would > choose option b, making the commands themselves the > entries. It may seem repetitious to put subheadings for each > Windows version under the command headings, but users of > computer manuals usually go looking for the functions they > want to perform and they might not think to look for it under > the name of the software release they happen to be using. > > Janice Coffield, > Indexer who is frequently frustrated by the software > reference materials, both manuals and online help! > > P.S. I've heard Microsoft has figured out the difference > between a table of contents and a topical index, and done it > well - I'm looking forward to using Office 97! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:31:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: Deadlines As someone very interested in indexing, I am curious about how part-timers handle deadlines. My current job wouldn't allow me to pull the "all-nighters" some of you talk about. I am interested in how to estimate the time a project would take so that deadlines are reasonable to meet. Whenever someone starts a new endeaver there is time that is classified as "learning time" due to inexperience but I would need to leave enough slack in the deadline to allow for beginner inefficiencies. Perhaps I am dreaming but I want indexing to be enjoyable rather than stress producing. How do you say no to a job that you can't possibly handle in the time allowed and still stay on the publishers list to be considered again? TIA Dawn Schroeder The Perfect Page ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:03:33 +0000 Reply-To: lbindex@picard.omn.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lee Ellen Brower Organization: Brower Indexing Services Subject: Re: USDA Course Suzanne: Catalogue for USDA courses is available from: Correspondence Program Ag Box 9911 Room 1114, South Agriculture Building 14th St. and Independence Ave. S.W. Washington DC 20250-9911 202 720-7123 Lee Brower, Loveland CO Suzanne Stevenson wrote: > > Who can I contact to get hard-copy info. about the course? Unfortunately, my > little Mac doesn't have enough memory to upgrade so that I can browse the > net, so I canot go to the ASI website. Could someone post this info. or eMail > me privately? Thanks so much! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:36:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carole M DeBell Subject: Re: New to List I am also a medical librarian, and took the indexing class offered by Nancy Mulvany last summer. I enjoyed challenge of indexing. I have been at Kaiser Permanente for 12 years, and my last day there will be July 28. I have accepted a part time medical librarian job because I want to try out indexing as a career, but feel I need a mentor or guidance in getting starting. Its hard to do much a resume or brochure if you have done nothing professionally as an indexer. I hope I can keep in touch with you, and develop a casual mentor relationship. Let me know if you are interested. Carole DeBell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:36:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carole M DeBell Subject: Re: Librarianship / Computer Science I have been a medical librarian for over 20 years and what I see is a strong demand for librarians who can program and have strong technical knowledge. Many universities pay a premium for computer technical people without a degree in librarianship. If you are near a large univeristy with many libraries on its campus or part of library network see if you can make an appointment with their librarian staff to get a feel for how your computer/programing skills could work into a library setting. My job has changed a great deal from using paper indexes to on-line reference. I spend more and more of my time teaching basic computer skills and internet skills. Information is easier to find, and more abdunt, but our expectations have risen so high there is still disfaction with the speed of retrieval. Then there are the questions that you are sure can be answered, but you cannot find it. I guess that the joy of the job, the quest. Wish you luck in your quest. Carole DeBell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:50:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy K Humphreys Subject: to be or not to be a librarian! I worked in libraries for over twenty years--during the last= ten I also indexed part-time. Yes, the service aspect of being a libraria= n is very satisfying! And if you are careful picking your first job, you ca= n make a very comfortable living from it. The problem with the profession i= s lack of mobility. Starting salaries for library jobs have barely risen since I started being a librarian. So the only way to make more money is = 1) stay at the library you work for forever, or 2) be a director of a large public library--to do this you usually have to go away to a small town an= d be director of a small library first. I wish I could say Vicky that with your computer skills you'd have more choice of where to be a librarian, b= ut so far as I've seen most automation librarians are promoted from within a= nd get their skills on the job and hence, aren't paid like computer professionals. I loved being a librarian, but I also love not being one anymore. Indexing is mobile, lets me have a concrete project and leaves m= e time to write. I found being a librarian for me meant playing a professional role and often stuffing feelings and creativity that now get= to come out. My opinion. Hope it helps! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:57:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: Deadlines D. C. Schroeder asked some great questions: > As someone very interested in indexing, I am curious about how > part-timers > handle deadlines. My current job wouldn't allow me to pull the > "all-nighters" > some of you talk about. I am interested in how to estimate the time a > project > would take so that deadlines are reasonable to meet. Me, too. After 10+ years of technical writing, and 2 years of full time indexing, I still find it difficult to estimate project scope and schedule. A rough guideline of 80-100 pages per day for the kind of computer books I do is about the closest I can come. And that goes all to hell anyway when some client says, "Please? Rush job? Extra fee?" :-) I just did an 800-page book in 48 hours--granted it was a second edition, but still... > Whenever someone > starts > a new endeaver there is time that is classified as "learning time" due > to > inexperience but I would need to leave enough slack in the deadline to > allow > for beginner inefficiencies. Perhaps I am dreaming but I want indexing > to be > enjoyable rather than stress producing. My opinion (for what *that's* worth!): Being a freelance indexer is enjoyable for me; I like the ability to work at home (in-house indexers often have telecommuting options, too), say "yes" or "no" to jobs based on content, vacation plans, or whatever, and all the other stuff that is part of being self-employed (yes, there are drawbacks, too...). The act of indexing itself is, for me, stressful. Each job comes at the very, very end of a publisher's production schedule, and time is TIGHT. Nights and weekends are required, for me. I'm just not fast enough (yet? or maybe just not organized enough yet?) to do it 9-5 only. Each job is like taking a deep breath--and holding it--and then running around the block as fast as I can. Twice. It's exhilarating, it's hard, it leaves me breathless and panting, but it's also addicting. :-) > How do you say no to a job that you can't possibly handle in the time > allowed > and still stay on the publishers list to be considered again? At the beginning, you probably don't. I have clients I will say "no" to now, but with a new client I never say no at first; I hire subcontractors, I beg for more time, I do a little lighter index, whatever, but I don't say no until I'm sure they have me on their "Call this one again!" list. Anyway, just my thoughts in the middle of catching my breath while running through my current index, which is due absolutely no later than 8:00 pm tonight. Yikes!!! Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:18:11 -0700 Reply-To: greenhou@erols.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Publisher Relations An indexing friend has asked me to post this to the list, but please **reply to** mariac@indexing.com, not (absolutely not) the list. She is wondering if you (collectively, and friends who may not be on the list) would let her know what your experience has been indexing for Rapid Science in Philadelphia, PA (a division of Thomson Publishing). They publish the "Current Opinion in" series. Thanks. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:18:21 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vicki Birchfield Subject: Re: Librarianship / Computer Science I want to thank all the people who took the time to respond to my post, both privately and to the group. All of the responses were warm, thoughtful and encouraging. I now have lots of new leads, ideas, and things to think about. Thank you. Vicki Birchfield vbirchfield@appliedvoice.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:25:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sanindex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: locators for multivolume indexes To Michael For the multivolumes that I have worked on, we used the bold volume number, followed by a colon, page numbers, and semicolon. Sandi Schroeder ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:35:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: GERRI GRAY Subject: Re: locators for multivolume indexes Michael: If you are looking for the least cluttered look, I like an index I use that has volume number in Roman numerals and bold, space, page number, comma, page number, semi-colon, next volume number, etc. Of course, if you can not use Roman numerals (the New York Times Index does for sections that have letters), then,I like colons. Gerri Gray, another librarian Loyola/Notre Dame Library Baltimore, MD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:14:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: FrameMaker book In-Reply-To: <199707101943.AA04460@world.std.com> Can anyone recommend a good book on FrameMaker, in particular, one which has a good explanation of *indexing* in FrameMaker? I'm going to be indexing several user manuals this fall using FrameMaker and will need a good reference. Thanks, Sarah Lemaire ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:45:47 -0700 Reply-To: mclaughb@cgs.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny Mclaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Re: Deadlines D. C. Schroeder wrote: > > As someone very interested in indexing, I am curious about how part-timers > handle deadlines. I've been a part-timer on a regular basis for the past seven years while holding a full-time job as an editor. I work primarily for university presses, so don't usually face rush jobs that need to be done over the weekend. I always request a minimum two-week turnaround time, and mention that three is preferable. I've never had an editor tell me that two weeks is too long. I don't pull all-nighters, but I often work later at night than I normally would when an index is due. If I am really pressed, I will take a vacation day from work, or perhaps two. I never turn down a new client, and I've always managed to get the job done, even during the past four years when I was very involved in parental elder care. I learned to grab my page proofs or rough draft whenever I got a call to the emergency room, and found a Kinko's near the hospital where a computer could be rented to print files. Down times always occur, inexplicably at varying times of the year. This year I was idle through much of March-May, now swamped with six indexes over a 2-month period. You can get things done and catch your breath during the down times, then let other things go (housework!) when you get busy. Last month I managed a 10-day vacation, letting an editor know that I would start her job before I left and finish it when I got back. It worked. Another job that I feared would conflict with the holiday slipped in its schedule, and it still hasn't come in! In short, you may worry a lot about deadlines, but things usually work out. By the way, I index only in the fields I enjoy and feel comfortable in. I don't solicit publishers out of my specialties, and thus usually feel that I can handle things without too much stress. Good luck. Bonny McLaughlin Academic Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:33:37 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Schwilk, Michael" Subject: Re[2]: locators for multivolume indexes Thanks, Sandi. Did you have a space between the colon and the page number? (Am I being anal, or what?) mike ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:54:06 -0700 Reply-To: kwelsh@planet.eon.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Organization: Researcher Writer Editor Subject: (no subject) unsubcribe index-l ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:12:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: Re: New to List At 09:13 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >Someone asked how many librarians subscribed to the list. Well, I don't know, >but as I am a librarian, I know there's at least one! > >I just finished up the USDA course, but since I'm currently working 2 library >jobs, I haven't had time to begin a new career just yet. Make that two 'Wannabe indexers and very busy librarians'. Anne Cleester Taylor University of Missouri-St. Louis Thomas Jefferson Library Reference sactayl@umslvma.umsl.edu http://www.umsl.edu/~ataylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:17:04 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Organization: MacAllen's Information Service Subject: Re: Previous Careers Guess that I'm not to surprised at how many Librarians there are on this list, since indexing is yet another method of organizing information for users. It's comforting to know that so many people care about organizing information. Has anyone ever done a survey of what professions are represented among the members of ASI, besides Librarians? Just curious. Willa MacAllen MacAllen's Information Services Librarian/Technical Writer Boston macallen@tiac.net (Enjoying the good weather we finally have in Boston.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:22:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Cast Subject: Re[2]: Vision/glasses, etc. Cost? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Vision/glasses, etc. Author: Emily Adelsohn at unixlink Date: 7/5/97 9:52 PM My vision correction went from -9 to -1 diopters thanks to a kind of laser surgery called Lasik. It is a very quick and virtually pain-free procedure, taking no more than 15 minutes per eye. I can't imagine dealing with those thick glasses and all that eyestrain any more. I opted to have less than perfect correction so that I would not lose my close up vision, as 90% of my life is writing and reading. If you want more information on this subject, I recommend a book entitled Beyond Glasses by Franette Armstrong. Or ask me. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:31:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: USDA Course I got this from the back of the Mulvaney book. Correspondence Study Program Graduate School, USDA South Agriculture Building, Room 1114 14th Street & Independence Ave., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20250 (202) 720-7123 I gave this information to someone else recently, and she got through, so I assume it is current. Good luck. Leslie Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:34:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suzanne Stevenson Subject: Re: USDA Course Thanks for all your responses about the course. Indexing is really something I think I'd love (aren't we weird?!) and I think I'd be good at. It all seems like an ideal choice if you want to freelance. Anyway, I called the school today and their sending registration out to me. And I'm definitely signing up! I haven't heard any negatives, so I'm gonna go for it! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:56:58 +0200 Reply-To: maddox@iafrica.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah & Peter Maddox Subject: Pagemaker: switching off italics A question for the Pagemaker experts out there: how do I "switch off" italics, other than by entering the code for the previous style? I am creating an index in Macrex. On making a file for the publisher, I put in the following codes (as arranged with the editor): for the letter at the start of each alphabetic group. for main index entries. for sub-entries. For italics, the editor wants a style called . The problem is setting the style back to "main entry" or "sub-entry" afterwards. Macrex does not differentiate between them as far as italics go. One solution is to make an MS-Word macro to pick up the style from the beginning of each line. But is there a Pagemaker code, which tells it simply to revert to the previous style? I could then put it straight into Macrex. Many thanks for any suggestions, Sarah Maddox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:29:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sanindex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Re[2]: locators for multivolume indexes Michael. From what I remember that was a hairspace. It wasn't a full space. Sandi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:07:51 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Pagemaker: switching off italics At 10:56 AM 7/11/97 +0200, Sarah Maddox wrote: >A question for the Pagemaker experts out there: how do I "switch off" >italics, other than by entering the code for the previous style? > >I am creating an index in Macrex. On making a file for the publisher, I >put in the following codes (as arranged with the editor): > for the letter at the start of each alphabetic group. > for main index entries. > for sub-entries. > >For italics, the editor wants a style called . The problem is >setting the style back to "main entry" or "sub-entry" afterwards. Macrex >does not differentiate between them as far as italics go. > >One solution is to make an MS-Word macro to pick up the style from the >beginning of each line. > >But is there a Pagemaker code, which tells it simply to revert to the >previous style? I could then put it straight into Macrex. > >Many thanks for any suggestions, >Sarah Maddox > Sarah: Why not insert all the codes with your word processor? Generate a wpf (word processor) file, including header letters, in Macrex. Open this file in your word processor. Establish a long line (wide margins) so you don't get any turnover lines and spurious hard returns in place of soft returns when you save the file as a text file. Replace space strings leading subheadings with tabs. Replace double hard returns with some unique string, say "xxx". Replace "hard return--tab" with another unique string, say "yyy". Replace "hard return" with "hard return--". Replace "xxx" with "hard return--hard return--". Replace "yyy" with "hard return--". Replace whatever code Macrex was set to translate carets to with "". Save the file as a text file. I think this will give you what you want. Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 916-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:01:54 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elizabeth M. Moys" Subject: Re: Librarian's response In-Reply-To: <868540761.1010879.0@listserv.cuny.edu> In message <868540761.1010879.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, "Jan C. Wright" writes >We took a count at a Washinton indexers meeting once, and about 75% of the >attendees had library degrees. I think those figures might be somewhat lower >across the nation, but librarians (or ex-librarians like me, although you are >never really an ex-librarian) seem to make up about 50%. > >Jan Wright Her is a penniworth from across the pond: The Society of Indexers made a survey of members about four or five years ago, which produced the fact that something like two-thirds to three quarters of the total had a library connection, past or present. As far as I am aware, there has been no significent change since then. I am now a member of the Library Association Retired Members Group (and that is growing rapidly!) after forty years as a full-time librarian. I am not, personally, at all surprised to find that the situation in the States appears to be broadly similar. Both professions are concerned with directing people to the answers to their questions. The librarian has to deal with a real live question, while the indexer has to have the knowledge and intelligence to imagine what the questions will be. So, we indexers could try to persuade the public, and our clients, that we are doing the more difficult job. I wish us luck with that!! Betty ==================================================================== Elizabeth M. Moys email: betty@moys.demon.co.uk Phone & Fax: +44 (0)1959-534530 Hengist, Badgers Road, Badgers Mount, Sevenoaks, Kent, TN14 7AT, England Polar Bears of the World Unite ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:20:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Homeowners insurance This may be something you want to check on. I have a top-of-the-line homeowner's insurance policy that provides full-replacement-value coverage (Allstate). During a recent policy review, I discovered that my office equipment is covered only to a maximum of $2,500. Since I figure I have about $10k in equipment and furniture, this caused me some concern. Furthermore, my agent told me I *cannot* increase this coverage under my homeowners policy and must take out a separate policy (the details of which are still under negotiation). It is not yet clear to me why this limit exists and why it cannot be easily overriden, but the rest of you might want to check your own policies in the meantime. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:17:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Librarian's response At 04:01 PM 7/11/97 +0100, Betty wrote: >The Society of Indexers made a survey of members about four or five >years ago, which produced the fact that something like two-thirds to >three quarters of the total had a library connection, past or present. Ok; let's hear from those of us who are not librarians. I'm a technical writer for a software company in Silicon Valley. I have what Betty refers to as "a library connection" but it's not professional and I've had it since childhood. I think of going to the library they way some people think of going to the mall -- it's Saturday afternoon recreation! Browsing, cruising the stacks, taking stuff that looks good home to try on. So my current job and my interest in indexing were both nourished by connection with libraries. Anyone else have similar experience? -- Lindsay P.S. to Betty: Why do you want the polar bears to unite? What do you want them to DO? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lindsay Gower | email: lindsay@persistence.com Technical Writer | phone: 1.415.372.3606 Persistence Software Inc. | fax: 1.415.341.8432 1720 S. Amphlett Blvd., Suite 300 | http://www.persistence.com San Mateo, CA USA 94402 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:52:24 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance At 12:20 PM 7/11/97 -0400, Richard Evans wrote: >It is not yet clear to me why this limit exists and why it cannot be easily >overriden, but the rest of you might want to check your own policies in the >meantime. Yes, Dick, this is common. I have the same limitation (but I think it's $5,000 now) on my homeowner's policy. I believe things will change as more and more people start having offices in their homes...these policies were originated in an era when business was business and a house was just a home, and the insurance companies have yet to make the adjustment. Insuring business property is a whole different area, with greater risks from different scenarios. Eventually we'll see "umbrella" policies that more adequately cover risks for home businesses. For the time being, it might make sense to self-insure as much as possible. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:44:34 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance The reason you can't increase your homeowner insurance to cover your other equipment is because the other equipment is considered part of a business rather than part of the home. You need to get Business Insurance. When looking for business coverage you should consider policy that include interruption of business as well as coverage to recreate your business records if necessary. Roberta Horowitz At 12:20 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >This may be something you want to check on. > >I have a top-of-the-line homeowner's insurance policy that provides >full-replacement-value coverage (Allstate). During a recent policy review, >I discovered that my office equipment is covered only to a maximum of >$2,500. Since I figure I have about $10k in equipment and furniture, this >caused me some concern. Furthermore, my agent told me I *cannot* increase >this coverage under my homeowners policy and must take out a separate >policy (the details of which are still under negotiation). > >It is not yet clear to me why this limit exists and why it cannot be easily >overriden, but the rest of you might want to check your own policies in the >meantime. > >Dick > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:46:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Macrex question: "see also" in parentheses Joel wrote: << This is a question about Macrex. (I've also asked Gale Rhoades.) I am trying to format "see also" cross-references enclosed in parentheses in an index with run-on subentries; e.g.: business deductions 12 (^see also^ expenses) First, I was able to get the closing parenthesis (via the Print Options Menu 3 Option A, text at end of cross-refs), but not the opening parenthesis. Then I managed to get the opening parenthesis via the Merge Options Menu Option T -- but I had to override what the Macrex User guide says about NOT including a space - that is, I had to enter space-parenthesis for this option. This gave me business deductions 12 ( ^see also^ ... so I corrected that by changing " ^see also" to "^see also" - that is, deleting the space before the caret. (I assume that to get this right upon original entry, I would have to change the ALT-F1 macro to eliminate the space?) However, once I got the opening parenthesis, now these entries are missing the closing parenthesis! That is, I get: business deductions 12 (^see also^ expenses Can anyone help? What do you do to get this format for cross-references?>> Hi Joel--you'll probably get your answer from Gale (I recommend calling her on the phone) but I'll tell you how I have this set up. Merge menu option R (see also text): " (^see also^ Print menu 3 option A (text at end of x-refs): ")" This has always worked fine for me, with no space problems. Gale, I'm sure, can help you sort those out. Although I usually use Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 for see and see also references, I think that for the one client that uses this format I usually just define a keyword "]sa" for "(space)(^see also^)(space)". Just as easy. Good luck! Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:46:42 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: locators for multivolume indexes In-Reply-To: <199707100421.XAA08776@mixcom.mixcom.com> I'm not a big fan of bold, but you can use it as long as you didn't want to use it for something else as well (locators for illustrations or "main" discussions). I would do either what you just describe, e.g., 1:10-13, 24-30, 33-34; 2:4-6, 8-9 or this, which might be visually easier on the reader: 1:10-13, 1:24-30, 1:33-34, 2:4-6, 2:8-9 Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:00:49 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Deadlines In-Reply-To: <199707110417.XAA19061@mixcom.mixcom.com> When I was still working full-time and just beginning to do indexing, I took on only one book (~300 pages, scholarly) a month. I didn't begin my evening indexing until after my kids were in bed, i.e., after 8 pm. That gave me a pretty relaxed schedule; I didn't have to pull all-nighters. I'm with you about the stress. Maybe you can handle and accept more stress later on, but especially when you're still learning, I think it's best to space the jobs out (assuming you can afford to take in less money). When I can fit a particular book I'm offered into my schedule, I just tell the editor I'm booked, and I tell her or him the date when I will next be available. I also make a point of saying something like, "Sorry I can't help you out this time, but please try me again for the next project." It hasn't been my impression that they cross you off their list just because you're busy--in fact, I think they take it as a good sign. Hope this helps. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:22:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: "The Future of Libraries" If you are interested in hearing how computers change -- or don't change -- libraries, then take a good look at this article. The following is an article published online by Stve Talbott in his newsletter, *NETFUTURE: Technology and Human Responsibility.* The newsletter is available on the Web at http://www.ora.com/people/staff/stevet/netfuture/, or else you can subscribe by sending "listproc@online.ora.com" a message in the format, "subscribe netfuture yourfirstname yourlastname". I think that this newsletter is extremely thought-provoking, and I recommend to interested (and free-thinking! ;-) computer users to look at some of the old articles at the Web site, or to subscribe (at no charge). - Seth Seth A. Maislin (seth@ora.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.ora.com/people/staff/seth Webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.well.com/user/asi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Future of Libraries ----------------------- Sydney Verba, the director of Harvard University's library, has written a brief, sober, and useful overview of the challenge for libraries at a time when "digital visionaries talk of great library collections in a shoe box; virtual libraries located nowhere in particular -- but everywhere for anyone with a connection to the Internet." Is there really a need for the massive new British Library or the Bibliotheque Nationale de France -- two rather giant shoe boxes due to open in 1997? Yes, says Verba. Here are some of his points (from *The World in 1997*, published by the Economist Newspaper): ** Only a few selected parts of the great historical collections around the world will ever exist in digital form. Libraries are needed to store them, make them available, and, most importantly, preserve them. Without expensive and sophisticated new libraries, "the printed intellectual output of the past 150 years will all but cease to exist within the next 150 years. Few nineteenth-century books will be able to have their pages turned in 2100, unless preserved now." ** Despite the fact that publishers are putting out more and more digital products, paper "remains the medium of choice." The volume of printed material, by one estimate, doubles every eight years. ** Library budgets are already stressed by the swelling tide of printed material, and it is simply not true that electronic information comes cheap. The worthwhile resources cost money, and are getting more expensive all the time. ** Copyright issues have not proven easy to resolve. If a library can give a patron access to a digital version of a book or article -- a version that is as good as the original, that does not diminish the library's copy, and that can easily be transmitted by the patron -- what is left of the publisher's property rights in the work? Not much. Yet if libraries cannot supply "fair use" copies of the materials they have, how can they serve their patrons? These thorny issues must be worked out before any vision of the digital library of the future can become realistic. ** The future of digital archives is uncertain. "no one knows how long electronic media will last -- not as long as good paper it seems." Access to the archives requires special technology, which changes with disconcerting rapidity. The appropriate mechanisms for migrating a collection from one medium or technology to another are not well understood. And who has archiving responsibility? Why should one library take on a major archiving task when it can get what it needs from some other library as easily as if it were in its own building? New organizational structures for cooperation are going to be needed. ** Finally, a good part of the service of libraries lies in guiding users through masses of irrelevant information to find what they are looking for. This need promises to become *more* acute with the growing flood of online information, not less. My own greatest life-long pleasure in libraries has been that of browsing the stacks to see what I could find of interest on this or that topic. To my great dismay, this highly useful activity looks like becoming extinct. About a year ago I walked into the state library of New South Wales in Sydney, shortly after the catalog was digitized. (The print catalog was no longer available, and the stacks were accessible only by passing requests to clerks and then waiting considerable periods for delivery.) After about an hour of struggling with the online catalog, I gave up, having managed (whether through my own klutziness or defects in the online catalog, I don't know) to obtain the titles of maybe a score of books on a broad topic for which this library must have carried hundreds of titles. I had no way of knowing whether the books I had managed to identify by title were worth the bother of retrieving -- and the retrieval would have taken more time than I had anyway. I walked out of the library stunned that this massive and valuable collection had been placed so effectively out of any convenient reach. The major library to which I now have readiest access is the New York State Library in Albany. Its catalog, too, is online, and the stacks are off-limits. Patrons are allowed to request five books or periodicals at a time, which are then processed at the next half-hour mark, with delivery of the books promised by the following half-hour mark. Some browsing. The use of such libraries has become so horribly inefficient (at least for my own purposes) that I rarely haunt the major institutions any more. They are only good when you know what you want in advance, and for that purpose I can request interlibrary loans through the local, hole-in-the- wall library. I have to wait a couple of weeks for delivery, but at least I don't have to spend time looking at brick walls and imagining all those books on the other side that I will never in this life be allowed to browse. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:19:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KArrigoni2@AOL.COM Subject: Indexing with keyword META tags and search engines Hi all, I'm writing to find out if anyone knows of any guidelines or information about indexing web sites using keyword META tags (for use with a search engine). One of my clients has asked me for help in putting together guidelines and a style sheet for this endeavor. I don't have any experience with this type of indexing and can't seem to find much information on the subject--other than detailed descriptions about the functions of search engines and META tags. Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated. Karin Arrigoni ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karin Arrigoni Write Away Editing and Indexing Services E-Mail: KArrigoni2@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:25:23 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peter Meyer Subject: Re: Indexing with keyword META tags and search engines Hi, Karin Arrigoni wrote: > >I'm writing to find out if anyone knows of any guidelines or information >about indexing web sites using keyword META tags (for use with a search >engine). One of my clients has asked me for help in putting together >guidelines and a style sheet for this endeavor. > >I don't have any experience with this type of indexing and can't seem to >find much information on the subject--other than detailed descriptions >about the functions of search engines and META tags. Any advice or >information would be greatly appreciated. There is quite a lot of work being done on this and its an important question. There are two sides to the use of META tags in HTML: * guidelines for use of META tags, as per the question; and * the level of support for META tagging in the search engines. Unfortunately, support in the search engines appears patchy at present but is improving. Thoroughly check out the way a search engine handles META before selecting it for your application. As for guidelines on META, have a look at: 1. Metadata: The Foundations of Resource Description by Stuart Weibel at: 3. A Syntax for Dublin Core Metadata Recommendations from the Second Metadata Workshop, at: 4. The 4th Dublin Core Metadata Workshop Report, at: As you will see, particularly from item 4, the lack of clear standards is inhibiting development of this much needed facility but I hope this helps. Peter Meyer ______________________________________________________________________________ DESKTOP LAW - Intranet publications Desktop Law Pty Limited Ph: +61 2 9922 3096 Suite 1, 174-180 Pacific Hwy Fax: +61 2 9929 8396 North Sydney NSW 2070 Australia pmeyer@desklaw.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance Dick and friends, Unfortunately this situation is all too common. We too have excellent replacement value insurance, with State Farm, and the same situation -- the office equipment is undervalued. What my insurance agent did was offer me another policy through Inland Marine, which is identified as computer property insurance on the rider, which is sold at a certain rate for each $1,000 of coverage. The rider reads "computer equipment, data, media" For $9,000 of coverage with a $100 deductible, the annual premium is $135, which I consider a business expense. While this doesn't cover re-creating business records or interruption of business, at least it covers the cost of the physical equipment and the software (the "media" referred to). Business records can always be backed up periodically and stored off-site if that is a concern, as can major projects that are "in the works". My object in taking out this insurance was to cover the cost of replacing the computer and accessories, laptop, fax machine, and software. I am assuming that the value of the reference library housed in my office and the office furniture and file cabinets would be eat up the portion of the homeowner's policy that covers the home office. That's what I discussed with my agent at the time I took out this policy, which I've had for 3 years now. I adjust the valuation of the computer equipment each year, as need be, at the time of policy renewal. Hope this all helps. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:34:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Deadlines Carol Roberts writes: When I can [not?] fit a particular book I'm offered into my schedule, I just tell the editor I'm booked, and I tell her or him the date when I will next be= available. I also make a point of saying something like, "Sorry I can't help you out this time, but please try me again for the next project." It= hasn't been my impression that they cross you off their list just because= you're busy--in fact, I think they take it as a good sign. My experience has been the same. If necessary I try to make it clear that= I don't like to have to refuse a job, but I would rather refuse it than ris= k not meeting the deadline, or do a rushed job which would not do justice t= o the book. If it's someone I haven't worked for before, I offer to send th= em my resume (or CV as we say here) for future reference. This offer is usually gratefully accepted. (I don't do this if the work they have to offer sounds totally boring, but people just starting out may not want to= be that fussy.) When the editor starts off by saying, "are you available= to do an index?" I usually try not to commit myself one way or the other before I know more about the schedule, the kind of book, number of pages,= etc. Then if I don't like the sound of it, I can say I don't really think= I can fit it in, or it's not my sort of subject and they would be better advised to get a specialist, etc. (sorry about all the etcs.) I too find that if the editor is told you are busy for the next ? weeks, she or he will assume that you must be good, or you wouldn't be getting t= he work, so ultimately it works in your favour and they do try you again nex= t time. Of course, they would probably give up and try someone else first i= f you were unavailable several times in a row. In the interests of indexerly solidarity, when refusing a job I sometimes= ask if they know someone else they can contact, or would they like me to recommend someone? Of course, this way you run the risk that they will go= to the other person in future rather than you, but generally I think this= is a positive thing to do, and likely to work in your favour as well as giving work to a colleague who may need it; it could well increase the chance of the index being done as proficiently as you would like to have done it yourself, and in that case it benefits the cause of raising and maintaining high standards of indexing. Christine *************************************************************************= * Christine Shuttleworth - Indexing and Editorial Services Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue, London W12 8JB Tel/Fax (+44 181) 749 8797 email ChristineShuttleworth@compuserve.com or 106234.1745@compuserve.com *************************************************************************= * ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:51:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance I have a rider on the homeowner's policy that covers all my computer and office equipment. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how much it is, and my records are higglty pigglty right now, as we recently moved again. But it's not much. I have my insurance policies with USAA. Leslie Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:58:31 +0200 Reply-To: maddox@iafrica.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah & Peter Maddox Subject: Re: Pagemaker: switching off italics Dear Michael, Many thanks for your response. But I don't think it solves my problem. The problem is, that the italics occur in the middle of a line, which is set as either or as . Macrex is very good at adding all the codes I need, except for the code to switch off the italics, in this particular case. According to the editor, who uses Pagemaker, I have to specify WHICH style I am returning to: ie or . Macrex uses ONE code only to switch off italics, without differentiating between main entries and subheadings. So my question is, is the editor correct; or is there a generic code in Pagemaker, to tell it to revert to the previous style (whatever that may be)? Kind regards, Sarah Michael Brackney wrote: > > At 10:56 AM 7/11/97 +0200, Sarah Maddox wrote: > > >A question for the Pagemaker experts out there: how do I "switch off" > >italics, other than by entering the code for the previous style? > > > >I am creating an index in Macrex. On making a file for the publisher, I > >put in the following codes (as arranged with the editor): > > for the letter at the start of each alphabetic group. > > for main index entries. > > for sub-entries. > > > >For italics, the editor wants a style called . The problem is > >setting the style back to "main entry" or "sub-entry" afterwards. Macrex > >does not differentiate between them as far as italics go. > > > >One solution is to make an MS-Word macro to pick up the style from the > >beginning of each line. > > > >But is there a Pagemaker code, which tells it simply to revert to the > >previous style? I could then put it straight into Macrex. > > > >Many thanks for any suggestions, > >Sarah Maddox > > > > Sarah: > > Why not insert all the codes with your word processor? > > Generate a wpf (word processor) file, including header letters, in Macrex. > Open this file in your word processor. > Establish a long line (wide margins) so you don't get any turnover lines and > spurious > hard returns in place of soft returns when you save the file as a text file. > Replace space strings leading subheadings with tabs. > Replace double hard returns with some unique string, say "xxx". > Replace "hard return--tab" with another unique string, say "yyy". > Replace "hard return" with "hard return--". > Replace "xxx" with "hard return--hard return--". > Replace "yyy" with "hard return--". > Replace whatever code Macrex was set to translate carets to with "". > Save the file as a text file. > > I think this will give you what you want. > > Michael > > Brackney Indexing Service > 134 Kathleen Way > Grass Valley, CA 95945 > 916-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:07:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Stroup Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance Dick: Thanks for the warning. I had to add something called a "fine arts rider" to my homeowners' policy for musical instruments. Now I guess I need a "fine computer arts" rider. Worth looking into. Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:32:27 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: billable hours (fwd) From: Lori Lathrop, 76620,456 Date: Fri, Jul 11, 1997, 8:39 AM RE: billable hours I've been indexing a business technology book this week, and I came across an interesting survey that says most freelancers spend just 60% of their time each month working on billable projects. It would be interesting to know whether or not those survey results accurately reflect those of us who are full-time freelance indexers. Speaking for myself, I'm sure I often spend a lot more than just 60% of my time working on billable projects, working around the clock for weeks on end. On the other hand, however, I do occasionally enjoy a lighter workload and, during those times, I probably do spend 30% or 40% of my time on non-billable activities (networking, responding to e-mail, marketing, reading, attending seminars and conferences, learning new software, running errands with my husband, spending time with friends, etc.) I will admit to being a workaholic and, overall, I'd estimate that I generally spend somewhere around 75-80% of my time on billable projects each month. What about the rest of you? If you're a full-time freelancer, do you spend just 60% of your time (assuming an 8-hour work day and 5 days/week) on billable projects? More? Less? I'm really curious! TTFN .... Lori ****************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4447, ext. 28 / Fax: 303-567-9306 ****************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:49:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance In a message dated 97-07-11 19:39:06 EDT, you write: > > I have a top-of-the-line homeowner's insurance policy that provides > full-replacement-value coverage (Allstate). During a recent policy review, > I discovered that my office equipment is covered only to a maximum of > $2,500. Since I figure I have about $10k in equipment and furniture, this > caused me some concern. Furthermore, my agent told me I *cannot* increase > this coverage under my homeowners policy and must take out a separate > policy (the details of which are still under negotiation). > > I would highly suggest separate computer insurance. I have my policy from Safeware, haven't had a chance to use it yet, but it insures my equipment up to $15,000.00 Jan Wright ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:02:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance As follow-up to previous information, here is something different. I found an article I had cut out of a May issue of our local business newspaper, entitled "Insurers cover home-based ventures: trend convinces companies of need to fill policy gap." The article goes on to say that "The Hartford had begun offering a Home Business Insurance Program in December. The policy is available in 38 states, including Arizona, and in Washington, D.C., and premiums totaling about $600,000 have been underwritten so far. .... We saw a trend that more people were opening their own businesses at home, and there was not a product that addressed that gap." "The new policy protects against damage or theft of business personal property, protects other people's property in the policyholder's care, and covers the loss of papers and records, including accounts receivable. It also provides reimbursement for loss of income, ongoing operating expenses, and payroll reimbursement when a disaster stops business activities." "Further, the policy provides upto $1 million in business liability protection to pay medical bills, defense fees, and court judgemnts for business-related lawsuits. ..." Further in the article it mentions that the woman who is the focus of this article had a premium of $489 for her policy, in Flagstaff, Arizona. I would imagine that the premium will vary with location. Not a cheap product, but quite a bit of coverage here, it seems. The article also talks of a free brochure, "Protecting your In-Home Business", available from the Independent Insurance Agents of America from their website at www.iiaa.org or by phone at 800-261-4422. I haven't been able to get to the website this morning, so can't vouch for whether that brochure is still available. Worth a try though! Just some more info! Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:18:46 -0300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Anderman Guenther Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance While I haven't checked my records to compare details, I have had a rider on my homeowner's policy for at least 8 years which is specific to the fact that I have a home-based business. It provides coverage for my office equipment as well as liability for those coming on the property. When I convinced the agent (who had no idea what an indexer was) that I never saw clients in my office, that the only traffic to my home would be FedEx, UPS, etc, he was willing to significantly reduce the rates. I can't give specific figures but it is less than $200. My point -- make certain your agent knows the details & provides appropriate policy. Nancy Guenther nanguent@chesco.com JPerlman@AOL.COM wrote: > As follow-up to previous information, here is something different. I > found > an article I had cut out of a May issue of our local business > newspaper, > entitled "Insurers cover home-based ventures: trend convinces > companies of > need to fill policy gap." The article goes on to say that > > "The Hartford had begun offering a Home Business Insurance Program in > December. The policy is available in 38 states, including Arizona, > and in > Washington, D.C., and premiums totaling about $600,000 have been > underwritten > so far. .... We saw a trend that more people were opening their own > businesses at home, and there was not a product that addressed that > gap." > > " ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:49:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: billable hours (fwd) >What about the rest of you? If you're a full-time freelancer, do you spend just >60% of your time (assuming an 8-hour work day and 5 days/week) on billable >projects? More? Less? I'm really curious! I've been in business for more than 15 years. I track my time quite carefully, partly for my own information and partly so that I have accurate data to present in my seminars. As best I can tell, for every two billable hours I work, I also put one nonbillable hour into my business. The nonbillable hours are consumed by administrivia (a word coined by Sarah and Paul Edwards, authors of several excellent books on self-employment, for the bookkeeping, filing, and other chores related to running a business), marketing (including networking, volunteer work, preparing estimates, and so on), and professional development (including professional reading and attending seminars/conferences). These are *averages*, mind you, so that certainly in one week I might put in 60 billable hours and very few nonbillable ones; but sometime in the following few weeks, the nonbillable stuff will have to be caught up on. This is why I try not to accept a schedule that requires me to put in 40 billable hours a week for any length of time. Sure, I can always put in six 10-hour days in an emergency. But I *must* allow myself a breather the following week. When clients push me to do more, I remind them of the story about killing the goose that laid the golden egg: if they want me to be alive to do their *next* project, they need to give me a sane amount of time to complete this one. The one thing I don't count that Lori has listed is "spending time with friends." That happens *outside* my 2:1 ratio, in what I laughingly call my spare time. One of the things I love about freelancing is that I can often take such time when it's needed most (e.g., when the friend has a crisis) and then "make up the hours" later in the day or week. I don't work an 8-hour day 5 days a week. My work life and my nonwork life are much more interwoven. On an ideal day, I'm at my office by 9:30 (it's a 10-minute walk from my home). I spend the first half an hour warming up: I like to start my day by writing a thank-you note (I love the energy boost this gives me), and then I always spend 15 minutes (timed with a kitchen timer) doing that day's accounting (e.g., preparing or recording a bank deposit; paying bills; invoicing a client; recording any cash outlays from the previous day). I then try to put in 3 billable hours in the morning; break for lunch with my husband, whose desktop-publishing business shares this office with my editorial-services business; then put in 2 more billable hours right after lunch. During this time (I'm freshest in the morning), I try to ignore the phones and the e-mail, except for emergencies, though I do take regular 5- and 10-minute breaks, during which I've been known to take a call from my Aunt Nellie or dash off a note to a friend. Around 3:00, when I'm brain-dead for indexing or any other editorial work, I turn to nonbillable tasks for a few hours. We usually eat dinner at the office, and if I'm on deadline I may put in another couple of billable hours in the early evening; otherwise that's when I catch up on my e-mail. Some evenings each month are given over to professional-association activities and community volunteering. When I haven't got a meeting and am not in a deadline crunch, I try to be home by 9. Obviously we have no children to worry about: that's by choice. Lest anyone think my life is all work and no play, let me remind you that what I've just described isn't a picture of every week of our lives. Last week, for example, I worked half of Friday night and 13 hours on Saturday, but had taken Thursday evening, Friday morning, and part of Friday evening off. I then took Saturday evening and all day Sunday off, as well as Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning, and Thursday evening. Oh, and Thursday I had a three-hour lunch with a friend. Today (Saturday) I'm in the office just long enough to call a client; this afternoon and evening we'll be heading off to a family function (a cousin's 25th wedding anniversary), and tomorrow we're doing child care for a friend's month-old infant while the baby's mom, who is also a freelance editor, reviews a set of page proofs. Then we face a week of steady work, followed by--get this--a vacation paid for by my husband's dad, who's taking the whole family (25 of us spanning three generations) on a week-long Caribbean cruise. Last weekend a friend's 10-year-old daughter said to me "Gee, I feel sorry for you--you're going to have to work all night..." My response was instantaneous: "Honey, thanks for your concern. But you needn't ever feel sorry for me. I consider myself privileged beyond belief: I love what I do--after all, I get paid to read--and I love the surroundings in which I get to do it. I mean, I'll have jazz on the radio, the two office cats at my feet, and the air conditioning on full blast. When I want to take a break, I'll have microwave popcorn and the 24-hour water cooler [i.e., the Internet] to hang out at. I can nap on the couch when I need to, *and* I'm getting paid for every minute my copyediting pencil's in my hand. Nope--no need to feel sorry for *me*!" My two cents' worth. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming. Regards, Rica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:54:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Re: FrameMaker book In a message dated 97-07-11 06:26:05 EDT, you write: > Can anyone recommend a good book on FrameMaker, in particular, one which > has a good explanation of *indexing* in FrameMaker? Sarah, Just the "Using FrameMaker" manual from Adobe/Frame. Chapter 23 is dedicated to indexing, and it's pretty thorough. If you have specific questions, I'll be happy to help if I can! Peg Mauer ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:13:53 +0000 Reply-To: devdsn@rccsun.ait.ac.th Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Francis J. Devadason" Subject: Re: Indexing with keyword META tags and search engines Hi, Some of the documents I have come across that mention META Tags for Keywords are: http://www.cs.concordia.ca/~faculty/bcdesai/forum95/forum95-bcd-Semant ic.html http://www.gwdg.de/~hkuhn1/wwwcat/mtprop00.html http://www.gwdg.de/~hkuhn1/wwwcat/mtprop01.html There were proposals for META Tags to identify even the specific index type such as MESH, LCSH but I have lost the URLs. Bye > Hi, > > Karin Arrigoni wrote: > > > >I'm writing to find out if anyone knows of any guidelines or information > >about indexing web sites using keyword META tags (for use with a search > >engine). One of my clients has asked me for help in putting together > >guidelines and a style sheet for this endeavor. > > > >I don't have any experience with this type of indexing and can't seem to > >find much information on the subject--other than detailed descriptions > >about the functions of search engines and META tags. Any advice or > >information would be greatly appreciated. > > There is quite a lot of work being done on this and its an important question. > > There are two sides to the use of META tags in HTML: > > * guidelines for use of META tags, as per the question; and > * the level of support for META tagging in the search engines. > > Unfortunately, support in the search engines appears patchy at present but > is improving. Thoroughly check out the way a search engine handles META > before selecting it for your application. > > As for guidelines on META, have a look at: > > 1. Metadata: The Foundations of Resource Description by Stuart Weibel at: > > 2. OCLC/NCSA Metadata Workshop Report at: > ort.html> > > 3. A Syntax for Dublin Core Metadata > Recommendations from the Second Metadata Workshop, at: > > > 4. The 4th Dublin Core Metadata Workshop Report, at: > > > As you will see, particularly from item 4, the lack of clear standards is > inhibiting development of this much needed facility but I hope this helps. > > Peter Meyer > ______________________________________________________________________________ > DESKTOP LAW - Intranet publications > Desktop Law Pty Limited Ph: +61 2 9922 3096 > Suite 1, 174-180 Pacific Hwy Fax: +61 2 9929 8396 > North Sydney NSW 2070 > Australia pmeyer@desklaw.com.au > > Dr. Francis J. Devadason Associate Director, Center for Library and Information Resources, Asian Institute of Technology P.O. Box: 4; Klong Luang P.O., Pathumthani - 12120 THAILAND Tel: (662) 524 - 5855 Fax: (662) 524 - 5870 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:32:48 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Frank Stearns Subject: Re: FrameMaker book In-Reply-To: <199707121555.IAA28707@mail.pacifier.com> from "Peg Mauer" at Jul 12, 97 11:54:45 am > > In a message dated 97-07-11 06:26:05 EDT, you write: > > > Can anyone recommend a good book on FrameMaker, in particular, one which > > has a good explanation of *indexing* in FrameMaker? > > Just the "Using FrameMaker" manual from Adobe/Frame. Chapter 23 is dedicated > to indexing, and it's pretty thorough. If you have specific questions, I'll > be happy to help if I can! In addition, to simplify the mechanics of indexing in FrameMaker, you might consider our add-on tool for FrameMaker, called IXgen. For more information please contact us or visit our web page (URL below). + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + | Frank Stearns Associates | Developers of Tools for FrameMaker(r): | | mailto:franks@fsatools.com | IXgen, FM2A, Programmable Export Kit | | 360/892-3970 fx:360/253-1498 | Now shipping IXgen for Windows!! | + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + | http://www.pacifier.com/~franks (Email if web page access problems) | + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:03:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: billable hours (fwd) At 09:32 AM 7/12/97 -0400, Charlotte Skuster wrote: >What about the rest of you? If you're a full-time freelancer, do you spend >just 60% of your time (assuming an 8-hour work day and 5 days/week) on >billable projects? More? Less? I'm really curious! Charlotte, I don't work at indexing full-time (i.e., somewhere around 40 hours each and every week). But when I =am= working, I probably do spend at least 80% of my time on billable projects. I don't do as much work-searching as some others because I have a fairly stable group of clients that keep me reasonably busy. And my record-keeping, bill-paying, letter-writing and other clerical tasks take me very little time. Reading Index-L, which I consider to be a professional (but not billable) activity certainly takes more time than many of these activites...and provides more enjoyment! :-) I think it's important to be clear about what is meant by "time" in the quote above. In most professions, "billable hours" are differentiated from "overhead hours" based on how many hours per week or month are spent on any aspect of the job or profession...not on how many total hours there are in the week or month. A person who spends 40 hours at work every week is only spending about 25% of her total available time on "billable hours"--but if you look at the time spent on the job and how it is allocated, she might be spending 80% of her time on actual billable projects ("billable hours") and 20% on "overhead" activities like networking, attending conferences, paying bills, and so on. It's my impression that if we are NOT spending a relatively large chunk of time on billable projects, we may need to rethink what we're doing. Most of us don't earn a high enough hourly rate to spend nearly half our time on "overhead" jobs that aren't contributing directly to our income. A good marketing system shouldn't take hours and hours every week...nor should bill-paying, office-organizing, and so forth. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:08:34 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "P. Buell" Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance In-Reply-To: <199707120551.WAA07881@mx3.u.washington.edu> Re: riders on insurance policy. Our carrier absolutely refuses to do this and I now have somewhat more comprehensive business insurance than I need for $270.00 a year. My computer equipment is still undervalued and my deductable is too high at $250.00. Part of the problem is that I used to tutor and my one student created major liability issues (I even had to add a rider for my homerowners insurance). The insurance companies see you coming. Paul D. Buell ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:32:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jan Mucciarone Subject: Re: Librarian's response Lindsay, I love libraries also. Want my ashes spread around the front lawn of the local library - when that time comes. (that's a joke, I think) As far as my careers - Worked as a Systems Officer for 9 years in the 'once' Shawmut Bank in Boston. When we moved to FL almost 5 yrs ago, I studied Travel and worked as the Group Supervisor for a travel agency and then went to work for 2 yrs as the Travel and Relocation Manager for a software company - Have been working for a doctor (receptionist) for the past year because it is a four-day week and this allowed time to study Indexing. Will be taking the exam for the first USDA course soon and am planning to take the second one. Hope to start indexing soon !!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:58:01 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: billable hours (fwd) Amen to the freedom we've gained by being our own bosses! You described the attractiveness of the situation very well. I too have no children at home -- they're all gone now. I work very long hours because I love my work and have a lot of drive. The important thing is that the amount I work, as well as when I put in those hours, is by choice, not due to somebody's edict. I've been a full-time freelancer for 3 years now, after many, many years moonlighting as an indexer. Best choice I ever made. Travel time is easily built into a free-lancer's schedule, and a laptop helps too. So now there's time to visit family, go to reunions, and just lay back as needed. I think the percentage figure would be accurate on a macro scale, but not on a micro scale. I don't spend 40% of my time each week on administrivia. But over the course of months, and certainly over the course of a year, there are undoubtedly large blocks of time when I don't do much indexing and do a lot of administrative work -- preparing for taxes, routine bookkeeping, marketing (which I still do a lot of), holiday cards, lots of time devoted to American Society of Indexers, training and conferences each year, etc. Plus going to the bank, to the office supply store, filing, etc, etc. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: davidaus@indiana.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: david robert austen Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance vs small business coverage Jan, Can you tell us where to find the insurer, Safeware? Otherwise, I'm wondering if a small business policy for a home business would not also give you the coverage you would normally need for your home. Even paying a small addition amount for higher limit on your coverage on that ONE policy might be less expensive than having two policies. Cheers, DRA --- Jan C. Wright wrote: > > In a message dated 97-07-11 19:39:06 EDT, you write: > > > > > I have a top-of-the-line homeowner's insurance policy that provides > > full-replacement-value coverage (Allstate). During a recent policy > review, > > I discovered that my office equipment is covered only to a maximum of > > $2,500. Since I figure I have about $10k in equipment and furniture, this > > caused me some concern. Furthermore, my agent told me I *cannot* > increase > > this coverage under my homeowners policy and must take out a separate > > policy (the details of which are still under negotiation). > > > > > I would highly suggest separate computer insurance. I have my policy from > Safeware, haven't had a chance to use it yet, but it insures my equipment up > to $15,000.00 > > Jan Wright ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:00:56 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: thanking/acknowledging clients Here's a marketing sort of question. How many of you send any type of acknowledgement or thank you to your clients at the end of jobs? Do you send something out to them during the year (other than the December holidays) to remind them that you're still around? Now part 2. If you do send such a note, what do you include in it? Gee, thanks for the work? Gee, thanks for your responses:D Leslie Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:14:11 -0700 Reply-To: ljm2001@cts.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laura Michelow Subject: Miss Manners Home Security System I thought all work-at-home people would be interested in this bit of advice: Subject: The Miss Manners home-security system / People who regularly spend the day at home alone are in need of a particularly vigilant self-protection plan. And only Miss Manners can offer them the security they need. A great many businesses offer protection against housebreakers who are after other people's possessions, so that is not what she provides. Miss Manners offers protection against housebreakers who are after other people's attention. These may be strangers, neighbors, friends or relations. They may attempt to enter through a door, telephone, fax machine or the Internet. Most employ sneaky techniques for overcoming resistance, even those who might be welcomed if they tried to schedule visits instead of breaking in. One valuable and irreplaceable thing is always missing when they are gone: time. Time that the person at home had planned to spend doing something else. The problem has ever been with us, to which anyone can attest who has tried to work, recuperate or relax at home. But it has come as a shock to the increasing number of people who have moved their offices from outside facilities to their homes. Most people who work at home find they do not have the benefit of receptionists who serve as personal guards, asking ``Is she expecting you?'' or announcing ``I'm sorry, but he is busy just now.'' Requests, messages and deliveries are neither screened for them nor rerouted. If a bell rings, they answer it. If two bells ring at the same time, they try to answer both. Nor can they rely upon ingrained professional behavior to guard them against their own temptation to waste working time when opportunities present themselves. Miss Manners admits that there is not much of that left in formal places of work nowadays, where personal business is conducted openly, food is consumed at any time and place, and parties are frequent and all but mandatory. Still, the ability of the computer to provide entertainment through games and interoffice chatter has helped conserve the appearance that work is being done in offices. At home, this is reversed. People who are really working appear to be at leisure. They're home, aren't they? And as any lady can tell you who has worked around the clock to run a household, rear children and serve her community, work done at home never really registers to outsiders as being work. And they are enjoying the advantages of being at home by dressing nonprofessionally, late, or not at all, and by keeping odd hours. Someone who appears at the door in a bathrobe at noon, or who tries to beg off from chatting after dinner time has a hard time making the excuse of being in the middle of work, truthful as it may be. Hence, the need of Miss Manners' self-protection plan. She urges it on both the polite and the rude, neither of whom have adequate defense systems. The polite, bless their hearts, feel an obligation to let others consume their time. So they let them natter on with the mistaken idea that it would be impolite to cut them off. The rude are no better off. By blasting would-be consumers of their time, they leave the way open for counterattacks, which take up more time, and they get themselves into emotional states that interfere with work more than interruptions. Miss Manners' polite plan begins with refusing entry. Anybody who works and lives in the same place should take control of all means of ingress, deciding whom to let in and when. The answering machine and the door peephole are the poor person's receptionist. But she cannot pretend to have faith in the ability to resist interruption, any more than she does in the ability of housebreakers to resist interrupting. So the protection she offers consists of teaching people to say pleasantly (but with an air of preoccupation to illustrate the point) ``I'm terribly sorry, but I'm busy so I must run off; good-bye,'' without providing an opportunity for the intruder to argue the point. Kind people have misleading instincts that make this hard to say because it feels rude. But Miss Manners' protection comes with a guarantee that it is not. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:57:08 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Pagemaker: switching off italics At 08:58 AM 7/12/97 +0200, Sarah Maddox wrote: >Dear Michael, >Many thanks for your response. But I don't think it solves my problem. > >The problem is, that the italics occur in the middle of a line, which is >set as either or as . Macrex is very good at adding >all the codes I need, except for the code to switch off the italics, in >this particular case. According to the editor, who uses Pagemaker, I >have to specify WHICH style I am returning to: ie or . >Macrex uses ONE code only to switch off italics, without differentiating >between main entries and subheadings. > >So my question is, is the editor correct; or is there a generic code in >Pagemaker, to tell it to revert to the previous style (whatever that may >be)? > >Kind regards, Sarah > Dear Sarah: Ah yes, my apologies: this problem is a little more complicated than I realized. I still can't give you an automated solution in Pagemaker but I can offer the gist of one in your word processor if it includes adequate macro or programming capability that you know how to use or can figure out how to use. Begin by following the first four instructions in my earlier post: Generate a wpf (word processor) file, including header letters, in Macrex. Open this file in your word processor. Establish a long line (wide margins) so you don't get any turnover lines and spurious hard returns in place of soft returns when you save the file as a text file. Replace space strings leading subheadings with tabs. Now write a macro to accomplish the following tasks: 1. Search for a caret, or the code that Macrex translates carets into (for the purposes of this explanation let's say it's an untranslated caret), and replace it with "". 2. Move the cursor back to the beginning of the line and create a variable containing the value of the character on which the cursor sits. 3. Search again for a caret (the closing caret this time). 4. Write an IF-THEN statement saying that if the variable you created is not a tab replace the caret with "", and if the variable is a tab replace the caret with "". 5. Put these steps into a loop or chain the macro to itself so that all the carets will get handled automatically. End by following the next five instructions in my earlier post: Replace double hard returns with some unique string, say "xxx". Replace "hard return--tab" with another unique string, say "yyy". Replace "hard return" with "hard return--". Replace "xxx" with "hard return--hard return--". Replace "yyy" with "hard return--". This will give you what you want. Please feel free to write back if you have any follow-up questions about this. I can offer you detailed assistance in writing the above macro if you use WordPerfect 5.1, and, if you don't have to have it right away, I'd be glad to look into how to do it in Word for Windows 3.1. BTW, I noticed your e-mail address, maddox@iafrica.com: where are you located? Regards, Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 916-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 13:38:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: thanking/acknowledging clients Leslie wrote: << Here's a marketing sort of question. How many of you send any type of acknowledgement or thank you to your clients at the end of jobs? Do you send something out to them during the year (other than the December holidays) to remind them that you're still around? Now part 2. If you do send such a note, what do you include in it? Gee, thanks for the work? >> Leslie, thanks for bringing this up. I've been meaning to start doing this for a long time. I think after each job would be overkill, but I've wanted to do some kind of yearly thing. My problem has been figuring out when to do it. I don't want to perpetuate the societal pressure/assumption that everyone celebrates Christmas by doing it in December. I've thought of a spring good-wishes mailing. Does anyone else have an alternate date for this? As for contents, I would like to say, "It's been a great pleasure working with you this year," or something like that. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:12:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: thanking/acknowledging clients Since I never have time around Christmas to devote to getting out thank yous (it's in the middle of the performing season for the early music ensemble I manage), I decided last year to send out thank you notes/gifts around Valentine's Day. I suspect that made the gift stand out more--it wasn't in the crush of other Christmas/holiday packages. My gifts ranged from a box of home-made-style cookies to large fruit/food baskets, depending on the amount of work the client had given me. My notes simply said something like, "Thanks for being such a great client." I did all of the gifts through Sunnyland Farms in Georgia. And they have a service to automatically remind you of gifts at the same time next year. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:01:35 -0400 Reply-To: fleurya@gte.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ann M. Fleury" Organization: friar Subject: Re: Homeowners insurance Richard Evans wrote: > > This may be something you want to check on. > > I have a top-of-the-line homeowner's insurance policy that provides > full-replacement-value coverage (Allstate). During a recent policy review, > I discovered that my office equipment is covered only to a maximum of > $2,500. Since I figure I have about $10k in equipment and furniture, this > caused me some concern. Furthermore, my agent told me I *cannot* increase > this coverage under my homeowners policy and must take out a separate > policy (the details of which are still under negotiation). > > It is not yet clear to me why this limit exists and why it cannot be easily > overriden, but the rest of you might want to check your own policies in the > meantime. > > Dick My husband and I both have a lot of computer equipment in our home, and we were very concerned when we discovered the lack of coverage under our Homeowners policy. We serendipitously discovered a company called Safeware (1-800-800-7071) which gives coverage against power surge, theft, accidental damage, fire or flood, and virus. Rates range from $49 for under $2,000 coverage to $129 per year for up to $14,000 of coverage. There is a $50 dollar deductible, and it is specifically stated that business use is covered. Ann Fleury, Indexer and Librarian Temple Terrace, FL fleurya@gte.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:10:25 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Organization: MacAllen's Information Service Subject: Re: Librarian's Response Betty, thanks for expressing my feelings so well. Willa MacAllen MacAllen's Information Services Librarian/Technical Writer Boston macallen@tiac.net (Back from a weekend of hiking in New Hampshire and seriously threatening to move to New Hampshire since I spend so much time commuting from there on weekends! :-)) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:15:45 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Organization: MacAllen's Information Service Subject: RE Getting Started I meant to thank everyone (before leaving for New Hampshire on Friday morning) for your helpful comments on getting started. The comments were thought-provoking as usual. What a great learning tool this is--the next best thing to attending an ASI Conference, and just as motivating! Willa MacAllen MacAllen's Information Services Librarian/Technical Writer Boston macallen@tiac.net (Wondering if I will ever get to the point where I have so many indexing projects that I can say -no- to a job!) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:08:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sanindex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: billable hours (fwd) I would say that I spend at least 80% of my time on billable projects. But if you look at our survey results, billable time was very low. 9.6 claimed 41 to 50 hours; 3.0% claimed 51 to 60 hours, and only 1.3% claimed more than 60 hours. However, I supect that many of the fulltime freelancers did not complete the survey as many of our totals were low. Sandi Schroeder, Schroeder Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: Deadlines Thank you all for responding to my question on handling deadlines. Your responses were very helpful. There was much food for thought and many new ideas to consider. Dawn Schroeder The Perfect Page ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:29:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: How suite it is Software suites typically consist of several products by the same manufacturer: a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation graphics, for instance. When indexing such a book, is it desireable to create a primary entry for each product under which the product is fully indexed? All subentries would be cross posted. You end up with a structure like this: presentation graphics (potentially hundreds of subentries) spreadsheets (potentially hundreds of subentries) word processor (potentially hundreds of subentries) (potentially thousands of cross-posted subentries) The pro is that the reader might well want to know about only one product. The con is that it effectively creates three separate indexes (four, if you count all the cross postings) and makes for a much larger index. The alternative is to index all the individual objects and use subentries to distinguish those that appear in multiple products. For example: word wrap presentation graphics spreadsheet word processor Your thoughts? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:57:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Deadlines In-Reply-To: <199707130406.XAA11646@mixcom.mixcom.com> >When I can [not?] fit a particular book I'm offered into my schedule, I >just tell Oops, yes that's what I meant. >In the interests of indexerly solidarity, when refusing a job I sometimes >ask if they know someone else they can contact, or would they like me to >recommend someone? Of course, this way you run the risk that they will go >to the other person in future rather than you, but generally I think this >is a positive thing to do, and likely to work in your favour as well as >giving work to a colleague who may need it; it could well increase the >chance of the index being done as proficiently as you would like to have >done it yourself, and in that case it benefits the cause of raising and >maintaining high standards of indexing. And not only that but editors are more likely--I suspect--to call on indexers who are networking with other indexers; it saves them time and work if they know they're going to get a name from me if I can't do the book. Most of my clients have a pool of indexers they use, but I always say something like, "If you get stuck and none of those indexers are available, I'd be happy to give you the names of some good people." BTW, I had a prospective new client I had to put off *four* times before our schedules clicked. But they did keep trying, and they're one of my best clients now. They also tend to book me way ahead of time. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:57:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: thanking/acknowledging clients In-Reply-To: <199707130406.XAA11646@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Here's a marketing sort of question. How many of you send any type of >acknowledgement or thank you to your clients at the end of jobs? Do you send >something out to them during the year (other than the December holidays) to >remind them that you're still around? I simply include a thank you in the cover letter I send with the index: "Thank you for choosing me to index so-and-so's book; it was an interesting project [I say that whenever it's true, ;-)]. I look forward to working with you again." Well, you get the idea. I think of separate thank-you cards as being for favors or gifts or when someone does something beyond the call of duty. I confess that I don't do anything special to stay in touch with most of my clients throughout the year. There are a few I've known a long time and am on more intimate terms with; I send them a winter solstice card. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:50:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: thanking/acknowledging clients If I can find out a client's birthday, I try to acknowledge that. Any other occasion (engagement, marriage, birth of baby, death of parent) that I hear about also warrants a card, and sometimes a token gift. On these cards I say the usual things one says to a colleague with whom one is cordial but not close. For generic "thanks for your business" messages, I prefer Thanksgiving (for the same reason someone else mentioned Valentine's Day--to stay out of the end-of-the-year holiday crush). Theme-related blank or thank-you cards (individually chosen based on what I know about the client--e.g., cats for my client who has more cats than mine, baseball for the Blue Jays fans; if I don't yet know enough about the client, I send something related to the last book I worked on for him/her) do the job quite nicely. Inside, I say whatever I'm moved to say: generally a variant on "It's a treat to work with people as nifty as you." I don't send such cards to clients I haven't enjoyed working with; that way I don't have to lie--er, fudge the facts...er, misrepresent my true feelings. At the end of every project, either in my covering letter or in a Post-it attached to my invoice, I say something along the lines of "Thanks for thinking of us for this project. We learned a lot about hamsters while creating this index. We look forward to our next chance to work together." For major (usually copyediting) projects that have dragged on for months--particularly if any of the dragging was caused by something I did/failed to do/didn't do quickly enough--I often send a Thank-Goodness-We-All-Got-Through-It gift. I've sent cakes, cookies, fruit baskets, coffee mugs, bottles/cases of the client's beverage of choice, movie vouchers (something the client doesn't have to read!), and even books (e.g., _The Book of Literary Lists_). My latest discovery is a gourmet-cookie store in downtown Toronto that will send a "bouquet" of long stems, each capped with a chocolate-chip cookie, all arranged in a florist's box so that it looks as though I'm sending flowers. The same place will send cookies in a "magnum" champagne bottle or in a hollowed-out book. Oh, and come to think of it, I thank clients and prospective clients for thinking of us whenever I (a) submit an estimate, bid, or proposal ("Thank you for thinking of us for this fascinating-sounding project. I look forward to hearing from you about when you'd like us to start") (b) turn down a job for any reason: if I'm declining because I don't want to work with a client (e.g., because the company pays badly or too slowly or because the aggravation factor is too high), then I just say "Thanks for thinking of us, and good luck with the project"; if I hope to have future business from this client, I say something like "Thanks for thinking of us. I'm sorry we couldn't clear time in the schedule for this interesting book. I know it'll do well for you, and I look forward to speaking with you again soon about helping out on future projects." (c) am not given a job on which I bid ("Thanks for thinking of us. I hope you'll keep our company information on file in case a future projects calls for our particular mix of skills and subject-matter expertise.") Hope this helps. Rica (cooking in hot, humid Toronto, home of what her husband has taken to calling "chunky air") >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:07:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. Shaw" Subject: Re: thanking/acknowledging clients The end of each client's fiscal year might be a good time to say thank you. For most clients in the US, that would be 30 June, a date far removed from any holiday frenzy. It marks a business event--so it's secular and without cultural bias--and would serve as a reminder of your valuable service just when the client is flush with next year's money. If different clients have different fiscal calendars, then your effort and expenditure could be spread out. Deborah Shaw ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:00:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ted@INTERNET.NET Subject: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS -- READ THIS TWICE!! The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family. In mid-December, I received this program via email. 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It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email extracting and mass mail program http://microsyssolutions.com Another more advanced one can be found at: http://www.extractor.com/ads.htm In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2, IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO". I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." 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You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. By the Spring, we wish to market the 'Internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a .5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each. With the same .5% response, that is 100 orders for REPORT #2. Som if you continue the calculation, that will be 1000 orders for REPORT #3 and 10000 orders for REPORT #4. 10000 + 1000 + 100 + 10 = 11110. 11110 * $5 = $55550 !!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of thi MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires annualy with MLM. INSTRUCTIONS This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 US CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. If you order a report from someone in another country, do not stamp the envelope. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is important) to everyone whose address you can get your on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $3 IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS *** Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 US CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER __________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Oliver Email C.P. 231 Drummondville (Quebec) CANADA J1B 6V7 Note: If you want to receive this report by email instead of mail, just send $5 US with the NAME and NUMBER of this report and your EMAIL address. (you don't have to send a SELF-ADDRESSED and STAMPED envelope) __________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Solutions SD C.P. 1751 Sherbrooke (Quebec) CANADA J1H 5N8 Note: If you want to receive this report by email instead of mail, just send $5 US with the NAME and NUMBER of this report and your EMAIL address. (you don't have to send a SELF-ADDRESSED and STAMPED envelope) __________________________________________________________ REPORT#3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: MHB Marketing P.O. Box 87026-466 Yorba Linda, CA 92885-8726 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Super Growth Group P.O. Box 9006 Gaithersburg, MD 20898-9006 __________________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:22:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen Schinske Subject: questions re proofreading galleys I *may* have a job coming up in the fall that would involve proofreading galleys against a manuscript with copyediting corrections. (The work is an annotated edition of a 19th-century novel.) Supposedly this should be more "mechanical" than the kind of proofreading I usually do -- that is, simply a word-by-word comparison rather than including edits for consistent hyphenation and the like. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who's done this kind of proofreading and knows about tips, tricks, and pitfalls. What would be a usual rate to charge per 500 words? Is it common for the author to pay for this sort of proofreading? (In this case of course I mean the editor/annotator -- apparently the press will not pay for it.) Helen Schinske HSchinske@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:47:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Larry E. Edmonson" Subject: Re: questions re proofreading galleys > >Helen Schinske asked about word-by-word comparison proofreading and solicited >info on tips, tricks, and pitfalls. The traditional method of doing this type of proofreading is to have two proofreaders -- one reads the manuscript and the other compares the reading against the galleys. About the only tips and tricks involved are to use abbreviated phrases as timesavers. Thus the reader said "pair paren cap Argosy was its name point close paren" and the comparing proofreader hoped to find a paragraph ("pair) reading: (Argosy was its name.) [paren = open parenthesis; cap = capital letter; point = period; etc.] This method of proofreading is easy and efficient and tends to be far more reliable that one-person comparison reading. Many publishers have abandoned it as a cost-saving measure. Larry Edmonson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:21:07 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Heinlein Subject: Re: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS -- READ THIS TWICE!! In-Reply-To: <199707141718.KAA07922@diana.sfsu.edu> >The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in >taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and >the income return is TREMENDOUS! > ><> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> >You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days >Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... ><> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> > >The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my >fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave >some thought and study to it. > >My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I >worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was >eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my >own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen >financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over >$35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just >couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow >against my home to support my family. In mid-December, I received >this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program >I had been sending away for information on various business >opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, >were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to >comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to >see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars >in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. > >But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I >didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a >mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several >times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my >eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as >I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a >pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money >back. After determining that the Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. >It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing >about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out >the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you >like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself >that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost >me! > >A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email >extracting and mass mail program http://microsyssolutions.com > >Another more advanced one can be found at: >http://www.extractor.com/ads.htm > >In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. >By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you >read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST >RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, >SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making >$50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received >196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST >RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2, IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE >PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO". I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much >needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, >IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't >try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! >Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different >place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! >REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 >orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2. >If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial >trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider >this a sign. I DID! > > Sincerely, Christopher Erickson > >PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like >piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! > >"THREW IT AWAY" > >"I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later >wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no >idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was >emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it >came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." > > Dawn W., Evansville, IN > >"NO FREE LUNCH" > >"My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free >lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through >trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally >figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the >right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I >have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would >have been very proud of me." > > Alan B., Philadelphia, PA > > >A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM > >By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over >the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that >such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created >by an amateur. > >Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business >for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was >doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but >it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was >the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy >that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what >happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from >first hand experience. You have just received information that can >give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" >and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the >next few months than you have ever imagined. > >I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, >nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. >I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from >the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have >several offices which market this and several other programs here >in the US and overseas. By the Spring, we wish to market the >'Internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program >EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works >exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this >exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the >people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be >on every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the >more potential customers you will reach. > >So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials >and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU >NOW! > >"THINK ABOUT IT" > >Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, >take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a >pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure >out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, >you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you >invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders >come in. IT WORKS! > > Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC > >HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ > >Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, >and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs >each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. >Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many >people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of >2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 >programs. With a .5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. >Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each. With the >same .5% response, that is 100 orders for REPORT #2. Som if you >continue the calculation, that will be 1000 orders for REPORT #3 and >10000 orders for REPORT #4. 10000 + 1000 + 100 + 10 = 11110. >11110 * $5 = $55550 !!! > >REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL >TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO >THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT >100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people >will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this >is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet >connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best >methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email. THIS IS A >LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require >you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of >all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If >you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been >waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your >dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing >program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool >of the future. > >Take advantage of thi MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained >respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, >and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated >that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold >throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This >is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires >in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several >years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become >millionaires annualy with MLM. > >INSTRUCTIONS > >This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making >opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level >business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and >selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to >recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product >for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE >MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it >privately in your own home, store or office. > >This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: > >Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do >this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on >the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 US CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED, >STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the >SPECIFIC REPORT. If you order a report from someone in another >country, do not stamp the envelope. International orders should also >include $1 extra for postage. It is essential that you specify the >NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering >from. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING >and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than >what the instructions say. > >IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. > > >Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, >moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name >and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was >there to REPORT #4. The name address that was under REPORT #4 is >dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to >the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and >addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT >POSITIONS!!! > > >Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save >it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with >whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the >best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. > > >Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is >important) to everyone whose address you can get your on. Start with >friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage >of this fabulous money-opportunity. That's what I did. And they >love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! >Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on >the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very >cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $3 IMPORTANT: You won't get a >good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, >NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you >order the four 4 REPORTS. > >ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! > > >REQUIRED REPORTS > >*** Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** > >ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 US CASH FOR >EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER > >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT #1 >"HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" > >ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: > >Oliver Email >C.P. 231 >Drummondville (Quebec) >CANADA J1B 6V7 > >Note: If you want to receive this report by email instead > of mail, just send $5 US with the NAME and NUMBER of > this report and your EMAIL address. (you don't have > to send a SELF-ADDRESSED and STAMPED envelope) > >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT #2 >"MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" > >ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: > >Solutions SD >C.P. 1751 >Sherbrooke (Quebec) >CANADA J1H 5N8 > >Note: If you want to receive this report by email instead > of mail, just send $5 US with the NAME and NUMBER of > this report and your EMAIL address. (you don't have > to send a SELF-ADDRESSED and STAMPED envelope) > >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT#3 >"SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" > >ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: > >MHB Marketing >P.O. Box 87026-466 >Yorba Linda, CA 92885-8726 > >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT #4 >"EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" > >ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: > >Super Growth Group >P.O. Box 9006 >Gaithersburg, MD 20898-9006 > >__________________________________________________________ > >CONCLUSION > >I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You >too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE >STEPS outlined in this mailing. > >To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial >decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, >retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you >back. > >My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 >that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point >out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL >make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times >you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, >on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! >Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking >the chain makes them quite unattractive. > >You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they >purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. >It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed >material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS >REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only >help you in making your participation in this program more >rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions >you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the "IT WAS TRULY >AMAZING" > >"Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my >mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I >decided that the initial investment was so little that there was >no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money >back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post >office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year >than any ten years of my life before." > > Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI > >TIPS FOR SUCCESS > >Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when >the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST >send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery >laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A >PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." > >WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: > >1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. > >2. Get a post office box (preferred). > >3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, > your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all > move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. > >4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you > receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. > >5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The > more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money > you will make. > >6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. > >7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as > soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE > SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! > >8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. > >YOUR GUARANTEE > >The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you >must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If >you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. >Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders >for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. >Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a >deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO >MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. > >Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above >GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, >every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a >different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing >what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! > >REMEMBER: >"HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE >TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."