From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 6-JUN-1996 06:11:55.37 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9605C" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:49:40 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9605C" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 02:25:08 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kay Johnson Subject: TEST - PLEASE IGNORE Kay Richards ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:50:44 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Corinna Moebius Organization: Luckman Interactive Subject: Job Opening INDEXER with Library Science degree and related experience sought by INTERNET DIRECTORY SERVICE. Person will categorize and keyword reviews of Web sites. Prefer applicants with team-player attitude and experience using Internet, Microsoft Word, and Windows 95. Full time position--competitive salary (and benefits) offered. Fax resume asap to Corinna Moebius 213/614-7931 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:32:02 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Subheads, See alsos, and Sees Do Mi: I'm responding to your message of 5/6: >Okay, folks, here's a question. In a social sciences or humanities book: if >you have a large section or chapter all about one subject, for which you have >a list of subheads that cover different parts of the section, and one of the >subheads has a long enough spread that it needs to be broken down, do you 1) >leave it as a subhead *and* make it a main head with subheads of its own or >2) make it a main head with subheads and put a see also reference from the >main head it started out under? (This situation comes up most often in >textbooks.) Here's an invented example, exaggerated a little so it's obvious: > >Communication, 100-180 (this is a chapter) > body language, 101-105 > language, 115-165 > interpersonal distance, 111-114 > touch, 105-110 > >Okay, obviously Language is going to be a main head with subheads. Do you >leave it in there as a subhead, or do you remove the subhead and add See also >Language to the Communication heading? > >There are arguments for both choices here; I've seen it done both ways; I've >done it both ways. I tend to leave the subhead in in a textbook and take it >out in a scholarly book. What do other people do??? > >Do Mi DStaub11@aol.com > > Unless the unbroken down subheading serves almost as well as the broken down main, I do not doublepost the locators under the subheading because this does not direct the reader to the more informative main. At this point, however, I don't think a _See also_ reference is my only alternative. Besides the possibility of breaking down the subheading itself (if subsubs are allowed), contrary to some expert opinion I think that writing a _See_ reference off the sub to the broken down main is another worthy option. Here's an example from an index I'm working on: ethics applied ethics branches definition deontological. _See_ deontological ethics ethics imperative metaethics vs. morals normative ethics situation ethics teleological. _See_ teleological ethics term derivation theories virtue ethics _See also_ codes of ethics; ethical decisions; ethics education; moral reasoning; moral values I think this method works best when there's a strong grammatical link between subheading and parent main: I always use it, as shown above, when the other subheadings include a number of similarly linked instances from which I think the one in question is best not separated. In the case of "_term_ (of)" type subheadings, as in "ethics: codes", I think this method helps especially when the subheading in question occurs in the midst of a lengthy list of subheadings: a _See_ reference like "ethics: codes. _See_ codes of ethics" keeps the sub connected directly to the main, and thus might be better than a distant _See also_. In your example there's no grammatical link at all between sub ("language") and main ("communication"), so for this reason, in addition to the reasons offered by Barbara Cohen, I agree with Barbara that a _See also_ reference would work best. As I said above, the _See_ reference option I'm suggesting runs counter to some expert opinion, but it looks to me like it serves readers well. How does it look to you? Michael Brackney Brackney Indexing Service Grass Valley, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:40:28 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Catalog indexes In-Reply-To: <199605142035.NAA09454@spork.callamer.com> > I do several catalogs on a regular basis. My per page charge is much higher > than for textbooks. Generally there is many more entries per page even though > though wise catalogs can be easy to index. Sandi, I receive dozens of catalogs in the mail, but only a few are indexed (usually computer stuff). I hadn't realized there was even a market for this kind of work, and I'm curious about it. Since I would LOVE to see indexes in some of my favorite catalogs, I'd really like to know more about how you get this work and how you charge for it. Thanks. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:35:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: good indexes In-Reply-To: <199605141958.MAA06394@spork.callamer.com> > For anyone wanting to try Sonsie's suggestion to index a book without > looking at the published index first: > > Why not use Wilson Award winners? The complete list is available on ASI's > web page. URL: http://www.well.com/user/asi/. The link to the list is at the > bottom of the first section of headings. Great idea, Neva! My only suggestion would be that for true newbies, a Wilson award-winning book is, practically ipso facto, a tough one to index. The quality of the finished product will be uniformly excellent, and a great study guide. But perhaps it might be overwhelming as a first or second attempt for someone who has never produced an index before. To tell you the truth, when I've suggested this to people, I've recommended books that I've indexed...not only because I know I've done a good job, but because I know the subject matter intimately and it would be very easy to check someone else's work. If I were offering advice to someone who didn't have access to a book I'm personally familiar with (and if a Wilson Award winner is simply too difficult for a beginner), I'd suggest starting with a book on a subject that is very concrete, with concepts that are already cleared identified in the text and if possible fully outlined via heads, subheads, etc. This probably is going to be a textbook of some sort--most likely math, computers, etc. Once the basic indexing concepts have been assimilated, it's time to turn to a more complex book where the indexer has to come up with names for ideas, make decisions about how deeply to index particular sections, etc. Then, tackle one of those Wilson Award winner. Finally, find a good book that doesn't have an index at all (not real difficult, unfortunately), and produce one for it. If the book is likely to go into a second edition, you then have a well-developed sales tool to market your services to the publisher. And even if the book is a one-shot, that publisher will recognize your abilities and perhaps hire you for another job. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:37:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JBell30480@AOL.COM Subject: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions Date: 96-05-15 17:50:32 EDT From: JBell30480 To: www.posting.reflector@usenet.vax1.zer2.co.np ===>> World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from). -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. 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For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Jennie Bell and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 270 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Jennie Bell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:34:45 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Parker Subject: Thanks. Sounds like a great reference. Thanks. Sounds like a great reference. We're off to Colorado and points west tomorrow. 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--------------5D1F747789-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:11:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Parks Subject: Embedded indexing software (i.e., Word6) This is a different approach to the software thread that was so active over the last week while I was *buried* in an index . . . and let me just note that I am very much a novice, but with the great good fortune (I think!) to have a publisher who is willing to shower me with books! (the one I was immersed in was my second - an 800+ page, multi-authored computer book.) Clearly the consensus in this group is that the dedicated indexing packages are the way to go. But this particular publisher has requested that I index with Word6, so that I can be working with the disk files before the layout is done. Then they can send me the final page proofs just a few days before the deadline; theoretically all the text files have been tagged and all I have to do is insert hard page breaks and *poof* generate the final index (!) . Never mind that inserting 800 page breaks is time consuming, to say the least, or that what you get from a tagged Word file is hardly a finished index (I may be a novice but I ain't stupid!) There are numerous problems with both tagging the files and editing what Word generates, which I won't go into here (I'd be glad to kvetch about them with anyone who's interested!), which I imagine (and pray!) are _not_ problems with the standalone software. But my question is this: does any of the dedicated indexing software have the same facility -- to allow the indexer to work with preliminary disk files, before the final pagination is available -- coupled with the advantages of a package that is _designed_ for indexing? I'd also be interested to hear how (or even whether) others have used Word6 for indexing. BTW, I 've really appreciated the discussion of the USDA course on this list. (In fact, I thoroughly enjoy the list in general.) I may still decide to take the USDA course, but at least I'll know what to expect. And I'd strongly support any efforts to streamline it, or to come up with an alternative, in the already-mentioned spirit of total quality -- aka "kaizen", a commitment to continual improvement. Wish I was on my way to Denver . . . Caroline Parks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:13:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan McDonald Subject: Re: JOB OPENING? I just joined the list yesterday afternoon. What is the job opening? Could someone forward me a copy if they kept it? Thanks! _______________________ Susan E. McDonald Document Delivery Assistant Wake Forest University, Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7777 mcdonase@lib.wfu.edu 910/759-5155 fax 910/759-9831 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:03:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Embedded indexing software (i.e., Word6) >I'd also be interested to hear how (or even >whether) others have used Word6 for indexing. I'm using Word6. I start with a draft of the book, letting the page breaks fall where they may. Working with the draft, I create an index. I don't have CINDEX or any of those packages, so in the past I've used index cards, Windows Cardfile, lately a Word6 template of tables, and next I'm planning to try Excel. Then, I make the final print files of all the book except the index with the print shop's driver. (I use an outsource printer for the production copies of the books.) I put the index field codes into the files, temporarily trusting to the page breaks that appear in the doc files with the print shop's driver specified, and compile the index. In the print shop order, I request page proofs. Sometimes the printed proofs are paginated differently than in the supposedly WYSIWYG print preview. The shift is rarely enough to overlap page numbers between chapters, but orphans and figures can be pushed to the next page. From the page proofs, I adjust the index field codes to match the final pagination. Then, I recompile and make the final print file of the index. ====================================================================== Robin Hilp - robin@microtekintl.com - "Play me Le Jazz Hot, baby!" business: Microtek International, Inc | personal: 2373 N.W.185th #329 3300 NW 211th Terrace | Hillsboro, OR 97124 Hillsboro, OR 97124 | Mbr DNRC - Mgr STC WVC Indexing SIG - Margret Bjorn's Dottir, An Tir ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:16:11 MST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Running Bentley Subject: Index Charge by Entry Colleagues: I have been asked to bid on indexing an annotated bibliography based on number of bibl. entries. I am accustomed to charging by-the-page, rather than by entry. What is a reasonable charge range for by-the-entry indexing? Should I consider charging by the index entry rather than by the bibl. entry in the text? Thanks for any advice. Linda Running Bentley lbentley@denver.lib.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:09:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Morriswade@AOL.COM Subject: lowest prices on magazines ------> guaranteed --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: lowest prices on magazines ------> guaranteed Date: 96-05-17 18:07:02 EDT From: Morriswade To: www.posting.reflector@usenet.vax1.zer2.co.np -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. 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However, if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York Time). If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Morris Wade. 051796-l-lpg Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Morris Wade and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 270 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Morris Wade ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:00:59 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Messages with regional significance Can I suggest that people writing to the list to advertise jobs, or with other messages of regional significance, put the region in the subject line: e.g. Indexer Wanted - South Uzhbekhistan Indexers' Morning Tea - Olduvai Gorge That way people who are geographically out of contention can skip or trash the messages without having to go through the contents looking for clues to where this is all happening. Thanks, Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne, Blaxland NSW Australia E-mail - jonathan@magna.com.au Web - http://www.magna.com.au/~jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How come sticking sharp objects in people is OK for kids to see, but sticking blunt bits of people in people isn't? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:01:20 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Catalog indexes and deliberate misdirection At 20:03 14/05/96 -0400, Alison Brooks wrote: >SNIP... I submit, as a case >in point, my J.C. Penney catalogue. I have come to the conclusion that their >shoddy index is intentional--they want the customer to have to hunt around >and look at more and more pages of merchandise. It's not to their benefit to >direct me immediately to the children's socks page if they can instead make >me look at (and perhaps purchase) the children's swimwear, raincoats, etc., >first. And I always thought it was editorial incompetence! But I guess the same applies to the layout of escalators in department stores - you can't just go up and down, you have to go through a whole department on each floor. >I would imagine that the ability to make customers flip through extra pages, >and stopping just short of making most of them angry, would be a very fine >art. This raises a new role for indexers - deliberate misdirection. Don't take the user to what they want to read, take them to what the author (or the editor) wants them to read. Perhaps the indexer could sell advertising space - "you put your ad. on page 42 and we'll provide twenty-three false references under major headings that direct the reader there". The possibilities are endless. Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne, Blaxland NSW Australia E-mail - jonathan@magna.com.au Web - http://www.magna.com.au/~jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How come sticking sharp objects in people is OK for kids to see, but sticking blunt bits of people in people isn't? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:58:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Embedded indexing software (i.e., Word6) In a message dated 96-05-16 14:19:32 EDT, you write: >does any of the dedicated indexing software have the same facility -- to >allow the indexer to work with preliminary disk files, before the final >pagination is available -- Sort of. Cindex lets you use a temporary pagination scheme that you can alter when you get the final proofs. You wouldn't work from the source files but rather from hard copies of them. I have one client for whom I routinely do the whole index from first proofs with temporary pagination then adjust things when I get the final proofs. BUT (note this is a big "but") success depends on the degree of change from first to final proofs. Simple page adjustments one way or the other are OK but reorganizations are a no-no. Likewise additions and deletions are a no-no unless the client can give me specific pointers to what has changed. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:06:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Gale Rhoades Subject: Re: Embedded indexing software (i.e., Word6) In a message dated 96-05-16 14:19:32 EDT, you wrote: >does any of the dedicated indexing software have the same facility -- to >allow the indexer to work with preliminary disk files, before the final >pagination is available -- Macrex is superb in these situations. If you know the page breaks but not the page numbers you would index using temporary numbers. When the actual numbers are know, the inlcuded Paginate utility will correctly renumber the locators for each entry. If you are indexing even earlier in the project and page breaks have not yet been established, the method is a little different but the results are the same -- an index finished on time with all the creative work in your hands and the drugery left to Macrex. Macrex can also renumber some or all of the page locators when the publisher adds, deletes or moves pages .This can be a real timesaver when updating the index for a previous edition or when you are indexing material which comes in a chapter or segment at a time as might be the case with proceedings. Another occasion when renumbering can be useful is when the numbering scheme changes as it might if the publisher switched between standard page numbers and chapter/page number (where each chapter has a page 1). Another included utility allows you to import into Macrex any text file and derive index entries from this text. Anyone wanting additional information should contact one of us directly so that we keep it off the list. Gale Rhoades Director Macrex Sales & Support Office (North America only) For Australia, Nw Zealand and South East Asia, e-mail mindexer@interconnect.com.au For the rest of the world, e-mail hcalvert@cix.compulink.co.uk Macrex, the choice of professionals around the world ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:24:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Allison Brooks Subject: Meyers-Briggs and Indexers Meyers-Briggs and Indexers The results are in! Thank you to everyone who participated in my Very Unscientific Survey: Meyers-Briggs and Indexers. I've never gotten so much mail in my life. A note to math types who might notice discrepancies: Some of the respondents provided only partial types, for example, _NF_. I used whatever they gave me in counts for individual traits, but did not count them when totaling the numbers for complete types. (I'm sure that could have been phrased more gracefully!) Among the responses I received, two Meyers-Briggs types dominated: INTJ and INFJ. These two types (added together) accounted for 61% of the total. The remaining responses were scattered among nine different types. Five types were not represented at all. Of these five unrepresented types, four included the Extrovert trait. Maybe all the Extroverts went out to a roller skating party together, rather than sitting home alone in a dark room with nothing but a modem for company. Here is a breakdown of the Meyers-Briggs percentages among responding indexers, alongside the percentage occurring in the general population (in parentheses). INFP 7% (1%) INFJ 25% (1%) INTP 2% (1%) INTJ 36% (1%) ISFP 0% (5%) ISFJ 7% (6%) ISTP 4% (5%) ISTJ 4% (6%) ENFP 0% (5%) ENFJ 0% (5%) ENTP 5% (5%) ENTJ 2% (5%) ESFP 0% (13%) ESFJ 5% (13%) ESTP 0% (13%) ESTJ 4% (13%) (my numbers add up to more than 100 due to rounding of individual type's numbers) I thought it would also be interesting to look at just the middle two letters of Meyers-Briggs types, as these two letters have to do with how you take in information and how you figure out what to do with it. NT 40% NF 33% ST 10% SF 17% Finally, I looked at each trait (or letter) individually, comparing the incidence of, for example, E versus I among responding indexers as compared to E versus I in the general population. As before, general population statistics are in parentheses. I 80% vs. E 20% (I 25% vs. E 75%) N 74% vs. S 26% (N 25% vs. S 75%) F 50% vs. T 50% (F 50% vs. T 50%) P 16% vs. J 84% (p 50% vs. J 50%) I found all of this very interesting, though I -did- have to keep reminding myself that I was receiving responses only from indexers who have computers, go online, and would respond to a survey about personality typing. Again, thank you to everyone! Allison Brooks (INFJ) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:39:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Spam, glorious spam Has anybody here tried contacting aol management (and had any success) regarding those magazine-subscription spams? They're all from aol addresses, but of course the perpetrators are not recognized by the system when you try to send a reply. Boy, do I miss Charlotte. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Allison Brooks Subject: Where to take the Meyers-Briggs survey For those people who missed out on the earlier Meyers-Briggs information, and want to take the survey and find out more about what all those letters mean, you can go to this site: http://sunsite.unc.edu/personality/leirsey.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:03:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Allison Brooks Subject: Meyers-Briggs address correction Change that address to: http://sunsite.unc.edu/personality/keirsey.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:28:20 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pat Olver <74031.3137@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: just joined group Hi everyone, I just subscribed to the indexer's list (thanks, Caro). I did freelance indexing for about 6 years, but stopped about ten years ago. Now that I've sold off a business I was running, I'm looking for at-home income, and I hope to get back into freelance copy-editing and indexing. I noticed in the discussion mention of temporary pagination and non-final pages. When I was indexing, I never worked from anything but final page proofs. No publisher ever even hinted otherwise. Has the industry changed that much? How much is still done from *paper* and how much from computer files? Back then, PCs were NOT a common item -- I did everything manually. I realize these are very general questions, so feel free to respond to me directly, rather than boring the whole list with answers. Thanks, Pat (in Dallas, TX) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:11:45 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lonergan Lynn Subject: Re: Spam, glorious spam Amen! (I suppose there will be messages about the inappropriateness of my comment.) ------------- Original Text From Carol Roberts , on 5/20/96 11:39 AM: Has anybody here tried contacting aol management (and had any success) regarding those magazine-subscription spams? They're all from aol addresses, but of course the perpetrators are not recognized by the system when you try to send a reply. Boy, do I miss Charlotte. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:18:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara J. Stroup" Subject: search engine Dear indexers who search the web: I've found that this page gets me anything I want to know. As the title says, it's an "all in one" search engine compilation: http://www.albany.net/allinone Barbara Stroup Freelance Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:59:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Aimee D. Glassel" Subject: Re: Spam, glorious spam >Original Text >From Carol Roberts , on 5/20/96 11:39 AM: >Has anybody here tried contacting aol management (and had any success) >regarding those magazine-subscription spams? Every time I receive one I forward the entire message to AOL: postmaster@aol.com with the question: Is this appropriate use of AOL by its members? I have yet to recieve a reply from AOL, but I'll keep sending them. aimee ******************************************************************** ^^^^^ Aimee D. Glassel ~(*)-(*)~ glassel@students.wisc.edu ^ UW-Madison School of Library and Information Studies ___ \_____/ "I AM A SHAMELESS AGITATOR" ******************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:56:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Do Mi Stauber Subject: Re: Bibliogaphic refs in text Well, I seem to be in the minority, and I find it interesting! Maybe I need to rethink this. I index humanities and social sciences scholarly books and textbooks. Which name citations I index does often depend on publisher preference. In textbooks, for many publishers (but not all) all citations in the text, including those brief ones in parentheses (Stauber, 1996) get indexed, in a separate author index if there are many of them. In scholarly books, I also usually index them when they're cited in the text; I cite names in foot- or endnotes only if they are quoted or their work substantively discussed. If there are a million of them (a string of 10 at the end of most paragraphs) I check in with the publisher and am often told not to put them in. But in many cases they go in, very rarely in a separate index. To summarize, I usually index the names in *all* of the mentioned examples. The logic, for both scholarly and textbooks, is that scholarly subjects may be sought under the names of the people working on the subject; that it's important to these users who was cited in the book (and I've reminded myself recently that, though I've tended to be somewhat scornful of the "publish or perish, look each other and ourselves up" mentality, it's not our business as indexers to criticize the needs of users, but to meet them--and this is a clear need in the academic community); and that if there is no general bibliography (which I deplore but have no say in), the index may serve the purpose of showing which works were consulted, which can be important for text adoption as well as the reasons above. There, do I get a prize for longest sentence? In fact, at one of the scholarly indexing roundtables in Denver, we ended up discussing whether we should be indexing entries in the bibliography and bibliographic citations in foot/end-notes! (I drew the line there, but the same reasons actually apply and I ended up less sure than I started out.) I just tried to find information on this in Nancy's book, but only found bibliographic references in footnotes. Nancy, do you say anything in there about text citations? Do Mi Stauber DStaub11@aol.com More information on that 98-page index coming soon! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 07:06:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ronald Barron Yokubaitis Subject: Re: search engine In-Reply-To: <9605202307.S89564431@relay.email.net> > > Dear indexers who search the web: > > I've found that this page gets me anything I want to know. As the title > says, it's an "all in one" search engine compilation: > > http://www.albany.net/allinone > > > Barbara Stroup > Freelance Indexer Thanks for passing this site along. Ron Yokubaitis Ronald Barron Yokubaitis A Texas NetWorking, Inc. Texas Networking Inc. B TOTAL INTERNET SOLUTIONS San Antonio 210-272 8111 5 $9.95 Internet Access Austin 512-472 2532 L e-mail info@texas.net J http://www.texas.net _.. . ._ _... ..... ._.. ._ _ _ ._ _... ..... ._.. ._ _ _ _._ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:58:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ASI-Colorado Chapter Meeting Subj: Colorado Chapter Meeting Date: 96-05-21 08:49:56 EDT From: LMLathrop Posted for Doug Easton (our new chair) .... The next meeting of the ASI-Colorado chapter, "An ASI National Convention Debriefing," will be held on Saturday, June 1, 1996, at the Meadows Branch Library in Boulder at 10:00 AM (please note the earlier starting time). We will be meeting at the library for two hours, then adjourning for lunch for those who have time to join in. The Meadows Branch Library is located roughly at the intersection of Foothills Parkway and Baseline Road (southwest corner, behind the Safeway) and is reached from the Denver area by following U.S. 36 to Foothills Parkway and turning left (west) on Baseline. For more precise directions, contact Ingrid Becher at 303-449-1188. Since this meeting will be held in the afterglow of the ASI Annual Conference in Denver, we thought this would be a good time to review convention sessions, just in case there were some of you who couldn't attend or if you unfortunately were unable to come to the conference altogether. At the June meeting we also will be passing out copies of an article for you to index for a review/critiquing session at our August meeting. Should you wish ot participate but be unable to attend the June meeting, please contact Ingrid Becher (303-449-1188) and request her to mail a copy of the article to you. We hope this meeting will be a variation on a very successful session we held in the Spring of 1995. SURVEY FOR ASI-COLORADO CHAPTER MEMBERS: Please take a minute or two to answer the following survey questions. By doing so, you will help make your chapter board more responsive to your needs: 1. The best day(s) of the week/time(s) of the day for me to attend chapter meetings are (circle all that apply): Mon. Tues. Wed. Thurs. Fri. Sat. Sun. Morning Afternoon Evening 2. Months of the year that are *not* convenient for me to attend meetings are (cirlce all that apply): Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. 3. Meetings held in the following cities would be convenient for me to attend (circle all that apply): Denver Boulder Longmont Fort Collins Colorado Springs Other:___________________ 4. The following types of programs/meetings would be of interest to me (check those that apply): ___ Professional Development Workshops ___ Panels on specialized indexing (technical, medical, legal, scholarly, etc.) ___ Preparing an aritcle/chapter-length index for group discussion/critiquing ___ Ethics ___ Indexing horror stories ___ Setting rates/contracts ___ Getting started ___ Demonstrations of indexing software ___ Social get-togethers (picnics, holiday parties) ___ Other:______________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:05:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "laura m. gottlieb" Subject: Spam and Charlotte 21 May 1996 Without slighting Charlotte in any way, I'd like to say that I regard receiving the occasional piece of spam (which I delete without reading) as a small price to pay for the liveliness of the Index-L list when she's away. I don't understand exactly what happens to people on the list when Charlotte lets the listserve go on automatic pilot, but her announcement that she's letting the list go on automatic pilot seems to be a signal for indexers to flock to Index-L with more than our usual gusto. There's a virtual twittering among us, as we ask for advice, compare our practices, demand salary surveys, and suggest usual reference sources. The whole exchange when the listserve is on automatic pilot appears much freer, open, and lively. Do others agree? BTW--for those of us who didn't make it to Denver--was there any discussion of a salary survey there? Laura Moss Gottlieb Freelance Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:14:05 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "laura m. gottlieb" Subject: correction 21 May 1996 Sorry! That should have been "suggest *useful* reference sources!" Laura Moss Gottlieb Freelance Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:22:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Harrison Subject: Spam from AOL As I understand it, the common scam is to use one of the billions of AOL starter kit id numbers to dump a ton of this stuff out on the net and then let AOL terminate it. Doesn't even slow down the perpetrator, who has a couple hundred more kits ready to go. Only thing I don't know is how they get around the credit card number requirement. Maybe there's a few hours delay in confirming the card number, which is all they need. Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com) Freelance book indexing Rochester, Minnesota >>What's book indexing?... ---> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cynthia D. Bertelsen" Subject: Taxonomy indexes Does anyone have a good reference source to suggest for systematics/nomenclature of evolutionary and extinct fauna? Charts, texts, etc. all welcome. I have found a few sources but they don't really address the fine points that I need to check, so.... It was good to meet many of you in Denver and it will great to keep in touch via INDEX-L. Cynthia D. Bertelsen Technical Services Newman Library Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24060 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:05:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Gale Rhoades Subject: Re: Spam and Charlotte In a message dated 96-05-21 09:56:11 EDT, Laura Moss Gottlieb wrote: >The whole exchange when the listserve is on automatic pilot appears much freer, open, and lively < I've been saying this for months. And it is really strange. Charlotte would never censor a real posting and it can be a real pain to have messages waiting every time I log on to send a message. But there is no doubt, at least in my opinion, that the discussions go wild when Charlotte's away. How come? Gale Rhoades ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:18:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Julia B. Marshall" Subject: Salary Survey Hello Collective Wisdom I was just going through my USDA packet when I came across the paragraph about how much an indexer makes for one year after FICA and taxes. It was $14,400. And that's after several years of developing contacts in the trade. If you don't mind my being vulgar on the list is this true for you more experienced indexers out there? I don't expect to become rich in becoming an indexer but it seems that one needs to be independently wealthy in order to practice the craft at all! Please reply to me and not directly to the list. Thanks in advance. Regards Julia Marshall juliam@capaccess.org X x ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:30:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Fred Leise Subject: Re: Salary survey Laura Gottlieb asked about the status of a salary survey by ASI. There was a question about that asked at the conference and the reply was that because of volunteer/staff time limitations, it was not being undertaken at this time. (Remember, ASI is running the organization with only a 1/2-time staff person.) However, given the level of interest, I would not be surprised if a committee to work on this project got together sometime in the near future. (I'm not volunteering, as I'm already working on another project for ASI.) Fred Leise "Between the Lines" Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:32:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Theresa Perkins Subject: Re: Meyers-Briggs and Indexers On behalf of those who don't have a background in psychology or the time to look it up, Could the orginator of this survey please just post a brief list defining the typologies discussed? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:01:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: Salary survey Regarding the salary survey proposed to ASI and then dropped due to other priorities: I was in the chapter leaders' breakfast in Denver and the issue was again raised. Several people volunteered to help on the committee and it was generally agreed that we felt it would be useful. If anyone else out there is willing to serve on an ASI committee to get the survey going, contact our new president, Ann Blum, and she can forward your name to the appropriate person. Margie Towery Towery Indexing and Editing Service ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:21:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Allison Brooks Subject: Re: Meyers-Briggs and Indexers >>On behalf of those who don't have a background in psychology or the time to look it up, could the orginator of this survey please just post a brief list defining the typologies discussed?<< Yes, certainly. I should have thought to do this in the original posting, but I didn't think about that fact that other people besides those who responded to the survey would be reading! E vs. I Extrovert versus introvert. This refers not to shyness but to where you are focused, on the world around you or the world within you. I've also heard it described in terms of what you do to recharge your batteries. An extrovert would go out and party with friends, and an intorvert would sit alone behind a locked door with all the lights turned off. (At least, that's what -I- do.) N vs. S iNtuition vs. Sensing This refers to how you take in information. Do you take things in using your five senses (Sensing) or through a sixth sense (iNtuition). Someone who is an S would perhaps be more likely to enjoy straightforward writing--the writer says what he means, and an N would prefer something in which subtle overtones give more information. An S is useful as a police witness--he'll be able to tell you exactly what took place. An N will be able to tell the police who was telling lies, who was secretly unhappy, etc. F vs. T Feeling vs. Thinking This part describes how you decide things. An F bases decisions on gut reactions and hunches, and a T bases decisions on the facts. J vs. P Judging vs. Perceiving This part describes how much order you need in your life. It is pretty much scheduled (J) vs. spontaneous (P), but it also refers somewhat to your thoughts about things around you. A 'P' is more likely to say "is" and a 'J' is more likely to say "should be". Hope this is useful. Allison Brooks