From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 2-SEP-1996 19:46:22.80 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9608C" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:24:20 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9608C" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:40:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joan K. Griffitts" Subject: ASI Heartland Chapter Fall Workshop ASI Heartland Chapter Fall Workshop Saturday, October 5, 1996, 8-4 St. Vincent Marten House Indianapolis, IN 8:45 - 12:00 Intellectual Analysis in Indexing by Barbara Cohen. Barbara will discuss "good" versus "bad" indexing, talk about criteria for judging good indexes, and explain the concepts that underlie her conception of intellectual analysis. She will explain her method with an example. Participants will get hands-on experience in analyzing samples. 12:00 - 1:30 Lunch provided 1:30 - 3:45 Roundtables: Indexing Technical Documentation, Beginning Indexers, Organizing Your Workspace, Web Pages Fees: $45.00 before 9/15, $55.00 after 9/15, $65.00 at the door. For more information contact: Joan Griffitts indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu 317/297-7312 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown <104571.560@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Medical Terminology Joni Bozzo writes (in part) >>I am very interested in indexing and am trying to break into the field. One thing I have noticed on this list is that a lot of indexing seems to be done for medical publications.<< What you are seeing may partially be an effect of recent list activity. There was an overwhelmingly fine response to my initial query about medical indexing terminology (Thanks, everyone, for the many thoughtful replies!). However, there are many indexing opportunities outside the medical and legal fields. When I began taking the USDA course, I thought I would specialize in a field, e.g., self-help books. When I began indexing, pragmatics set in, and I took what came to me. I have worked on books ranging from Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle to planning for old age. I feel it is more important to get some solid indexing theory (and perhaps experience) under your belt and then proceed to specialization. Also, stay tuned to Index-L. Lots of good advice here. Craig Brown The Last Word ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:50:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LineyP@AOL.COM Subject: Fwd: Virus news! Please pass it on! --------------------- Forwarded message: From: BBHDBM@vmmc.org (DANUSIA BOROWSKA-MCCARTHY) To: lineyp@aol.com Date: 96-08-14 20:19:49 EDT Forwarded message: From: "ERIN E. RESSLER" Organization: Bailey-Boushay House To: All Staff Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:46:31 PST Subject: (Fwd) FW: Fwd: Virus ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: 13 Aug 1996 14:42:40 -0800 FORWARDED FOR INFORMATION. ---------- From: naulsol To: LeonidoffL%HOST3; LintonB%HOST3; H80008FC Subject: Fwd: Virus Date: Tuesday, August 13, 1996 11:50AM <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:01:16 -0500 >> >> PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE. IT CONCERNS TWO VIRUSES MAKING THE ROUNDS ON >> THE INTERNET. AS CC:MAIL IS LINKED TO PEOPLE USING THE INTERNET, IT >> DOES AFFECT YOU. >> >> 1> Good Times >> >> There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If >> you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO >> NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages >> below. Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" >> nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! >> It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on >> it. >> >> Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. The >> FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major >> importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new >> computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that >> is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known >> viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in >> comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped >> mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the >> fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be >> infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the >> Internet. >> >> Once a Computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If >> the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be >> destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor >> will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can >> severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. >> >> Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is >> happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means >> of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always >> travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the >> subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the >> file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading >> the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" >> mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly >> intelligent- it will send copies of itself to everyone whose email >> address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it >> can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running >> on. >> >> The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line >> "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured >> that whoevers name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the >> virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat >> to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. >> >> 2> PKZIP300 >> >> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION >> >> A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name >> PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a >> new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. >> >> DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or >> expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect >> modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and >> there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one. >> >> REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE >> EXTENSION. >> >> > > > > . <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:46:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! This has been going around for several years. Apparently it is a fraud. There really is no such virus. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:06:37 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! Leslie wrote: >This has been going around for several years. Apparently it is a fraud. There >really is no such virus. The "good times virus" hoax has been around for years. The "pkzip virus" announcement is more recent and at first was a separate announcement. A few months ago I asked the company that makes the real PKZIP product line whether they'd ever encountered a real instance of the virus. They said not. robin@microtekintl.com .. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4537/ .. Robin Hilp .. Mbr DNRC .. Apps Engr .. "Play Me Le Jazz Hot!" .. Mgr STC WVC Indexing SIG .. Homeschool Parent .. Tech Writer .. PerkyGoth .. Aspiring WebMeister .. Margret Bjorn Dottir, An Tir .. Code garbage below or attached is a MicroSoft Exchange "feature"! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:23:24 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Beaverton, OR, Index SIG meeting Our next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, August 27, 4:00 to 6:00 pm, at the McMenamins Pub at 2927 SW Cedar Hills Blvd., Beaverton, Oregon. Please RSVP before 4:00 pm Friday, August 23, to Robin Hilp, Indexing SIG manager. (I need an approximate headcount for McMenamins.) We'll be discussing several topics, as time permits: - How to estimate an indexing job - Software tools for indexing - Educational resources for indexers The main topic will be Software Tools for Indexing: We will have brochures from several companies that make dedicated software tools for indexing. There will be a few demo-disk copies of INDEXX (c) v8.04 "professional indexing software for MS-DOS". Frank Stearns of Frank Stearns Associates will be there to talk about XIgen, a FrameMaker 5.0 add-on. If we can get a laptop, we'll have a live demo of XIgen. (Does anyone have a laptop to lend for a couple of hours that afternoon?) ------------------ The STC WVC Indexing SIG usually meets the fourth Tuesday in February, May, August, and November. If you want to improve the quality of your indexes, this is the SIG for you. STC members and non-members are welcome to attend. ------------------ robin@microtekintl.com .. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4537/ .. Robin Hilp .. Mbr DNRC .. Apps Engr .. "Play Me Le Jazz Hot!" .. Mgr STC WVC Indexing SIG .. Homeschool Parent .. Tech Writer .. PerkyGoth .. Aspiring WebMeister .. Margret Bjorn Dottir, An Tir .. Code garbage below or attached is a MicroSoft Exchange "feature"! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:50:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Debra A. Bailey" Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! I just checked with my husband who is a system manager at a research installation and he confirmed that while the Good Times virus is a hoax, his understanding was that the other was real. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:50:23 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Draper Subject: Re: Confession/query In-Reply-To: <199608140233.TAA07565@mh1.well.com> Please help me unsubscribe from this list. I was mailbombed, and didn't intentionally join this list. If the mailing list manager can do this for me, I would appreciate it... Crunchman ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CarolC777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Indexing Skills Workshop for Technical Communicators Dear Lori, Please send me a brochure for the Editing Indexes for Quality & Usability workshop to be held in Mesa, AZ. Thank-you. Carol S. Chroneos 1960 East Bendix Drive Tempe, AZ 85283 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:08:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LineyP@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! Thanks for all the replies about the *good time* virus being a hoax. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'd rather err on the side of caution! Caroline ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:37:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! In a message dated 96-08-15 15:50:17 EDT, I got another email message about the deadly virus: >This has been going around for several years. Apparently it is a fraud. There >really is no such virus. Well, it sounded like something about which one would rather say, "Better safe than sorry." So even though damaging the processor seems a little improbable, I thaough I should pass it on. Now which of the two emails is a hoax? The virus does sound like some hackers best fantasy. It is sad that there are lots of people out there who would get satisfaction from writing and spreading such a virus. Micki ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:49:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! To all, When I first received this notice a few months ago, I too reacted strongly. I showed it to my husband, a police officer who does a lot of work on line. He is the one who told me it was a fraud. I certainly did not intend in any way to imply that anyone should not be cautious when I posted that the message was a hoax. I agree, better safe than sorry. And that message reminded me to be cautious about email from unkowns. Even if that virus is a hoax, there are others out there that are not. This particular virus/hoax seems to be experiencing a revival. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 02:55:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen Schinske Subject: Re: Mesh headings, etc This is a letter I got from my sister Alice, who is a microbiologist. Thought folks might like to have some insight into how MeSH headings are viewed by scientists (as distinguished from doctors). --Helen Schinske >Dear Helen, > >Part of the problem with MeSH headings is that they were designed for >medicine, not for science, so they have to do with disease, diagnosis, >anatomy, etc. Those of us in other aspects of biology just have to put >up with the headings being totally inappropriate when we deal with Index >Medicus, MedLine, or anything else that uses Mesh. With Medline, I just >look for key words and avoid Mesh since it groups things in a totally >inappropriate manner. I would think that in indexing a book you could >use additional headings as appropriate. For the T cells, I agree that >the main indexing should be under T cells since that is what most people >will think of looking under--but you cannot ignore that T cells are a >subset of lymphocytes and that T lymphocytes is a synonym. Can you have >a heading of lymphocytes and under that say "T lymphocytes, see T >cells"? Also, it depends on the audience. If the book is primarily for >immunologists, for instance, it may not matter to them whether T cells >are under lymphocytes or have their own heading, since they will know to >look both places. But someone interested in AIDS who knows that T cells >are important might not even know that T cells are a type of lymphocyte >(which themselves are of course a type of leukocyte, but you would >rarely include leukocyte in an index except as something like "leukocyte >function, tests of"). I would think that good cross-referencing is as >important as where something is indexed. > >Alice > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 05:19:23 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Mesh headings, etc Helen, Thank you for sharing Alice's letter to you, in which she says: > "I would think that good cross-referencing is as important as where something is > indexed." This is my view of things too. As long as one provides a road map to navigate through the terms and be able to find your way into the text and the page references for the material a reader is searching for, the index will pass a usability test. In the opposite, incorrect situation, the information is in the index yet no cross references are provided to it, so that one must look up the exact term, and only the same term, that the indexer used in order to find the body of page references. If one looked up any other term, he/she would find nothing there. This is undesirable. I agree with Alice. Our job as indexers, as I've said, is to provide a road map from any point of entry into the index to get to the place where the item is listed in the index, and to the point in the text where the desired information lies. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:01:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cynthia D. Bertelsen" Subject: Legal Indexing Since we recently have gone over medical terminology quite a bit lately, I would like to turn to another type of indexing for the moment. I am indexing an expository book (not really a textbook) on constitutional law and criminal procedure. I am making a table of cases, as well as a subject index with names and concepts together. Since I do not have a lot of experience with this type of indexing, I would like to know (I have looked at several examples, believe me. All were different!) what the preference seems to be for a subject index in regard to discussing the Fourth Amendment, etc., in relation to cases. Is it preferable to have Fourth Amendment-related cases listed after the heading, "Fourth Amendment, cases", or mixed in with other topics related to the Fourth Amendment? Or are the cases left out entirely, since they are listed in the table of cases? (There is a limit on the size of the index of 1,900 lines in total for both indexes.) That is, for example only: Fourth Amendment, cases Stanford v. Texas Wilkes v. Wood and Fourth Amendment damages deterrence immunity reasonable searches or Fourth Amendment cases Stanford v. Texas Wilkes v. Wood damages deterrence immunity reasonable searches or Fourth Amendment damages deterrence immunity reasonable searches Stanford v. Texas Wilkes v. Wood Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cynthia D. Bertelsen INDEXER Blacksburg, VA cbertel@nrv.net http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:20:30 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: Legal Indexing Cynthia Bertelson has asked about treatment of case names in a book on constitutional issues in criminal law. I have reservations about using the numbers of the amendments as headings, since many of them deal with several topics. (For example, the fifth amendment is most known for being about the right not to incriminate oneself, but it's also about indictments, courts martial, double jeopardy, and due process.) I would be inclined to create see references from the amendments-by-number to the related subjects. Once I'd done that, I _would_ include the case names under those topics and not just in the table of cases. The table of cases helps readers who can remember the name; the subject treatment helps the ones who can only remember the issue, or who have never heard of the case name. Fourth amendment cases might be indexed under "Searches and seizures" and/or "Warrants" and/or "Probable cause" depending on what questions of fact or law are most prominent in the book's discussion of the case. (Non-lawyer's required disclaimer: This is legal information, not legal advice!) Hope this is helpful. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:00:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jo Berkman Subject: Viruses: Good Times FAQ Viruses: Good Times FAQ My son, who's a software engineer, sent me the following information: The Good Times email virus is a hoax! If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ. G o o d T i m e s V i r u s H o a x -------- M i n i F A Q by Les Jones macfaq@aol.com lesjones@usit.net February 6, 1996 This information can be freely reproduced in any medium, as long as the information is unmodified. A FAQ, if you're new to the Internet, is a document that answers Frequently Asked Questions. This Mini FAQ is a summary of, and a reference to, the full FAQ, which has much more information about this and other hoaxes. Instructions for retrieving the full FAQ are at the end of this message. The Mini FAQ is short enough for faxes, message boards, company memos, and people with short attention spans. Is the Good Times email virus a hoax? ------------------------------------- Yes. It's a hoax. America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online References at the end of the FAQ. The hoax has been around since at least November of 1994. Since that time, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there been a single verified case of a viral attack. I'm new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax? ----------------------------------------------------------- The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email. Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer's processor. Needless to say, it's a hoax, but a lot of people believed it. Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at numerous colleges. The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the Department of Defense, the FCC, and NASA. The full Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ has more information about the origins of the hoax, and variations on the text of the hoax. What was the CIAC bulletin? --------------------------- On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy's CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the address in Online References at the end of the mini FAQ, and is included verbatim in the full FAQ. CIAC issued another bulletin on April 24, 1995 to reiterate that Good Times is a hoax. Online References ----------------- **CIAC Notes 94-05, 95-09, and especially 94-04** http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes04c.shtml http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes05d.shtml http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml Data Fellows' description of Good Times http://www.datafellows.fi/v-descs/goodtime.htm Australian Cert Note ftp://ftp.auscert.org.au/pub/auscert/advisory/AL-95.02.virus.hoax.returns Where can I find this FAQ and the complete FAQ? ----------------------------------------------- **The Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ and Mini FAQ** The mini FAQ is a greatly simplified version of this FAQ. At two pages, it's short enough for message boards, faxes, mailing lists, and people with short attention spans. http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes.html http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/gtminifaq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/gtminifaq.html Via FTP: ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:03:18 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Virus news! Please pass it on! In a message dated 96-08-16 01:52:36 EDT, you write: > Even if that virus is a hoax, there are > others out there that are not. This particular virus/hoax seems to be > experiencing a revival. > Leslie > Leslie, Actually, the "Good Times virus" is a virus of sorts when you consider the amount of Internet and computing resources that become devoted to it when we go through our annual/semi-annual spasms about this hoax. ;-D Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:09:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jo Berkman Subject: Viruses If you would like more information about the virus, PKZip Trojan, which evidently does exist, check out the following URL: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/3btroj.html Jo Berkman ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:23:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Legal Indexing In a message dated 96-08-16 09:04:15 EDT, Cynthia write: > Is it preferable to have > Fourth Amendment-related cases listed after the heading, "Fourth Amendment, > cases", or mixed in with other topics related to the Fourth Amendment? Or > are the cases left out entirely, since they are listed in the table of > cases? (There is a limit on the size of the index of 1,900 lines in total > for both indexes.) Cynthia, I agree with Maryann's very elegant solution to your question. I've never indexed legal materials, however, I used a similar solution to what she proposed in a set of indexes I delivered yesterday. (Is this why I think it was so elegant--because I did something similar? ;-D) My book was on fundraising and was organized according to different industries and specific companies within the industries. (Yep, a dramatic departure from my usual tech/sci/computer books.) The publisher wanted a subject and a name index. However, in the subject index, I made subentries for specific industries/companies under main entries for various causes they support. The companies appear as main headings in the name index. This parallels your situation with the case names. Because you have space limitations, you may want to check with your client before doing this. (I didn't have any space limitations, but checked with my client anyway to be on the safe side about doing this.) Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs Technical & Scientific Indexing (usually) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:38:39 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: sooz@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET Subject: Viruses In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:09:38 CDT, <199608162146.QAA27522@club.fc.net> Do you know that not only do I not want to, I am UNABLE to access the web? I'm not hooked up. I ain't a webber. No, no, no. One more email about something I should check out on the web, and I'm gonna drive up there and, um, I dunno, something. :-) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:07:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Viruses In-Reply-To: <9608162245.AA02167@mx4.u.washington.edu> Check with your internet service provider. The vendor may support Lynx, Cello, or another text-based web browser that will let you access Web resources even if you don't have a graphics-based browser such as Netscape. It ain't pretty; but it works. But I do agree that we need to take into account in communicating that there is still a very large portion of the population out there that are not yet connected to the web - or who may even, Got forbid! not have email! (Specifically my mother, mother-in-law, and a few of my best clients!) Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 sooz@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET wrote: > Do you know that not only do I not want to, I am UNABLE to access the web? > I'm not hooked up. I ain't a webber. No, no, no. One more email about > something I should check out on the web, and I'm gonna drive up there and, > um, I dunno, something. :-) > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:37:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lawrenc846@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Viruses >Check with your internet service provider. The vendor may >support Lynx, Cello, or another text-based web browser that >will let you access Web resources even if you don't have a >graphics-based browser such as Netscape. It ain't pretty; but >it works. There is another reason for having E-Mail and not the Web- not enough RAM. Web browser will not work without the necessary RAm. ******************************************************** Lawrence H. Feldman Post Office Box 2493 Wheaton Maryland 20915-2493 301-933-2616 Lawrenc846@aol.com Indexer - Researcher - Writer ******************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 19:36:01 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Confession/query At 16:08 12/08/96 -0400, you wrote: > >My dilemma is this. I now realize that there was no reason for separate name >and subject indexes. Although current wisdom is that these indexes should be integrated, my own instinct still goes the other way. As I understand it, the reason to merge subject and author indexes is: "otherwise people won't know that there are two indexes, and may miss the information in one". As the information in each index is so different, I remain unconvinced. If I am looking up 'kangaroos' in an index, and all I find is a list of names, I am going to figure that I have to look elsewhere. If I am looking for an author and only find subjects, surely I will browse before giving up completely. To merge them will result in cluttering the subject index with a whole lot of authors' names, which will be consulted for different reasons and by different users. To me it is like saying "Let's mix the Granny Smith apples with the Golden Delicious, otherwise people might buy the Granny Smiths without realising we also sell Golden Delicious." If they really want Golden Delicious they'll go that one step further and look for them. The one complication is when there are some names which can be subjects and authors in a book. Perhaps then to merge them is a service to the user. The only index I have done in which I can remember this being relevant is where the psychologist Piaget's theories were a subject, and he was also an author. Come to think of it, that was one of only 3 book indexes (out of about 30) in which I have been asked to create an Author Index. So for me it has never really been an issue. Cheers, Glenda. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne, Blaxland NSW Australia E-mail - jonathan@magna.com.au Web - http://www.magna.com.au/~jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't make up my mind whether or not to be indecisive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:32:47 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Viruses In-Reply-To: <9608170045.AA04700@mx5.u.washington.edu> The text-based browsers such as Lynx WILL work with a low-powered machine. It's the graphics that are the memory hogs. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 Lawrenc846@AOL.COM wrote: > >Check with your internet service provider. The vendor may >support Lynx, > Cello, or another text-based web browser that >will let you access Web > resources even if you don't have a >graphics-based browser such as Netscape. > It ain't pretty; but >it works. > > There is another reason for having E-Mail and not the Web- not enough > RAM. Web browser will not work without the necessary RAm. > > ******************************************************** > Lawrence H. Feldman > Post Office Box 2493 > Wheaton Maryland 20915-2493 > > 301-933-2616 > > > Lawrenc846@aol.com > > Indexer - Researcher - Writer > ******************************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:25:52 -0400 Reply-To: norcross@ix.netcom.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Indexer needed for Population Growth Policy book I recently talked to an author in search of an indexer; here are the details: Author: Steve Mumford Indexing knowledge: None. Never worked with an indexer before. Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina (indexer need not be local) Phone: (919) 933-7491 Publisher: private, nonprofit research organization Topic: Population Growth Control, population as a national security issue, population policy, contains recently declassified government documents in 3 appendices. Pages: 550 Edition: Second. First edition had no index. Audience: People in the environmental movement; population control as an environmental issue. Schedule: Final page proofs available this Friday, August 23, 1996. Three appendices are available now--their content is set but page numbers are preliminary. Index due: He mentioned 2 weeks; I said that might be overly optimistic. Fee: I told him that an indexer would have to see pages in order to quote. I told him that some might quote by the number of pages in the manuscript, and some might quote the whole job. He asked for a typical dollar/page figure and I told him it depends on the density of the book--could range from $3.00 to $9.00 or $10.00, that I really didn't know because I hadn't seen the manuscript. Please call Steve directly. He would like to line up an indexer Monday or Tuesday of this week--as soon as possible. Regards, Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:54:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: GLASSMANDL@AOL.COM Subject: Poll...Results are in! Thanks to to everyone who indulged my curiousity. 44 people were kind enough to respond. ------------------------------------------------------- #1) Are you indexing: Full time/Part time/a promising newbie? Full time (13) Part time (17) New (14) ----------------------------------------------------- #2)If part time or a want-to-be, what is your current occupation? If full time, your primary occupation prior to indexing? Full timers: Editor, Editorial Assistant or Publishing (5) one each for: Computer programmer; Desktop publishing; Environmental planner; Homemaker; Librarian; Nutritionist; Online Database Co,; & Secretary Part timers: Librarian (8); Technical Writer (3) one each for: Arts Management; Graduate Student: Psychiatric Emergency Services Clinician; Quality Analyst for a Hospital; Research Scientist; & "Webslinger" New: Librarian (4) one each for: Accounting; Anthropologist; Career Counselor/database manager; English Teacher (College); Medical Research; Medical Technologist; Occupational Health Consultant; Veterinarian; Writer >Alot of diversity and alot of useful knowledge resources available to Index-Lers. >Librarians and Indexing...a natural fit, no surprise there. ------------------------------------------------------- #3)Do you have any college training? Degree? What major? Full Timers: (I) BA,BS or other undergrad work Psychology (2) Accounting Anthropology English English Lit. International Relations Latin American Studies Liberal Arts Linguistics Math Philosophy Political Science (II) Graduate Degree or work Library Science (5) Business Administration City and Regional Planning History Human Nutrition and Foods Math Philosophy Psychology Part Timers: (I) BA,BS or other undergrad work Math (2) American History Arts Biology Chemistry Computer Science English English Lit. German Modern Languages Violin Performance (II) Graduate Degree or work Library Science (8) English (3)... including 2 PhDs History Psychology Public Administration Science...PhD New: (I) BA,BS or other undergrad work English (4) Sociology (2) Accounting Biology Chemistry Liberal Arts Medical Technology Psychology Theatre Zoology (II) Graduate Degree or work Library Science (3) Anthropology (2)...including a PhD Public Health (2) Counseling & Guidance English Lit...PhD Marriage and Family Therapy Microbiology Veterinary Medicine...DVM ------------------------------------------------------- #4)What Dedicated Indexing Software do you use? None, Macrex, Cindex, Hyperindex, In>Sort, Other? Full Time Part time New Total Cindex 7 9 4 20 Macrex 2 2 2 6 Hyperindex 1 2 2 5 other 3 6 - 9 >Of the 9 respondants that used "other" for some or all of their indexing the "other included; Excel; Word; Framemaker; Pagemaker; QuarkXPress; Word Perfect and Customized Software >Cindex most common and most commonly praised. >I was surprized (and personally delighted) by the number of Mac users that surfaced. ------------------------------------------------------- #5)In what year did you create your 1st for-pay index? Full Timers: Part Timers: 1968 1981 (2) 1980 85 1987 88 1990 (2) 90 (2) 1991 91 1992 94 1995 (4) 95 (7) 1996 96 > 14 of 29 paid indexers started in 1995 or 1996 > 1993 was a bad year to start indexing #6)In what state, country or on which planet do you reside? California (6) Texas (4) Washington (4) Illinois (3) Massachusetts (3) New York (3) Wisconsin (3) Maryland (2) Virginia (2) Alabama Arizona Australia, New South Wales Canada, Ontario Florida Indiana Iowa Minnesota Missouri Montana New Zealand, Hamilton Pennslyvania Washington D.C. >Very few Confederate Indexers -------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Again Everyone! I had fun with the poll, hope you find the results interesting. Don Glassman glassmandl@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:58:43 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Australian Society of Indexers Subject: PAPER: Sandra Henderson, Future indexing developments in WORLD 1 (National Library of Australia) Greetings! Another paper has been loaded on the AusSI Web site: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/hendersons.html Sandra has described the new WORLD 1 database system being developed by the National Library of Australia and National Library of New Zealand. Exciting new online indexing enhancements are described plus contact details for more info - all hypertext linked for your pleasure :) Bye Dwight ------- Dwight Walker Webmaster and Editor Australian Society of Indexers +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w) W-F, fax +61-2-4383729 (w) URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:31:32 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: No Web access (was: Viruses) >But I do agree that we need to take into account in communicating that >there is still a very large portion of the population out there that are >not yet connected to the web - or who may even, Got forbid! not have >email! OK, but what do you mean by "take into account"? Sure, there are people who can't use info about Web sites, but that doesn't mean we should stop posting such info or be apologetic about it. Think about it: lots of people can't use information about workshops in Boston, how to use Macrex, medical indexing, etc. As many people have said on this list before, when the post is about something you aren't interested in or can't use, just delete it, for Pete's sake! As long as a subject is indexing-related--and I certainly think most of the postings of Web sites have been--you can't tell people not to talk about it. Nor do I think it's especially useful to say we should take into account that many people don't have Web access. Postings about Web sites are, primarily, for people who have Web access. I really don't see why sooz@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET, who didn't sign her or his name, or anybody else who chooses not to buy Web access should take offense when the conversation turns to Web sites. Isn't that like complaining that people are talking about the A&E Channel and you don't have cable? Secondarily, I suppose, Web-site postings are for those who don't have Web access but need to, or would like to, see what they're missing. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:43:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cynthia D. Bertelsen" Subject: Reference sources for Indexers I am gathering information about the reference sources most widely used by indexers in the areas of medical indexing, legal indexing, science & technology indexing, humanities indexing, social science indexing, and so on. If you have a favorite thesaurus, dictionary, or other reference tool, please let me know. You may respond to me personally. Because I index so many different topics, I , for example, use a series of subject dictionaries that help me with synonyms and hence cross references. If you have something to share, please indicate the strength and weakness of the tool, the publisher, ISBN number and cost if possible, and a brief description of how you use the tool. Thank you. I will write up the results and share them later. Cynthia D. Bertelsen INDEXER Blacksburg, VA cbertel@nrv.net http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:50:27 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: No Web access (was: Viruses) Carol Roberts wrote: >[...]there are people who >can't use info about Web sites, but that doesn't mean we should stop >posting such info or be apologetic about it. [...] >Postings about Web sites are, primarily, for people who have Web access. >[...]Secondarily, I suppose, Web-site postings are for those who don't have >Web access but need to, or would like to, see what they're missing. As a fairly heavy web user, I find the site references invaluable. Before I had web access, I sometimes emailed the person posting the reference for more information, and occasionally requested an email copy of text from some site. For a frequent web surfer with a high-end Win-based browser this is an easy service to provide on an individual basis and now that I have web access I have in turn done the same kindness for others. >[...]when the conversation turns to Web sites. Isn't that like complaining that >people are talking about the A&E Channel and you don't have cable? Very much like, imho, especially if the "A&E" discussions are supplementary rather than core to the rest of the conversation. robin@microtekintl.com .. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4537/ .. Robin Hilp .. Mbr DNRC .. Apps Engr .. "Play Me Le Jazz Hot!" .. Mgr STC WVC Indexing SIG .. Homeschool Parent .. Tech Writer .. PerkyGoth .. Aspiring WebMeister .. Margret Bjorn Dottir, An Tir .. Code garbage below or attached is a MicroSoft Exchange "feature"! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:35:28 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Australian Society of Indexers Subject: PAPER: Dwight Walker, Web indexing: an exercise in hypertext navigation Greetings! My paper is at last on the Web: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/walkerd.html Thanks for waiting!! I have gone into the history of hypertext and then give a tutorial on Web indexing. Enjoy! Dwight ------- Dwight Walker Webmaster and Editor Australian Society of Indexers +61-2-93986726 (h) +61-2-94393750 (w) W-F, fax +61-2-94383729 (w) URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:38:23 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ChallComm@AOL.COM Subject: Computer Law Observer ============================ THE COMPUTER LAW OBSERVER ============================ A free service for the Internet Community To subscribe, simply send e-mail to ChallComm@aol.com requesting to be put on the list. The Computer Law Observer is distributed FREE each month via e-mail by Challenge Communications, a legal content provider, located in Baltimore, Maryland. Each issue of The Observer contains an article discussing an important legal development relating to the Internet and computer technology in general. The articles are written for both lawyers and non-lawyers. Topics of past issues include: Domain Names: Cyberspace Turf Battles E-Mail Confessions In Court Electronic Privacy Rights: The Workplace Electronic Privacy Rights: Police Power Encryption: At The Limits Of Lawful Secrecy License Restrictions Can Backfire Raiding Employees Who Owns The Software? Negotiating Purchase Of A Computer System Negotiating Royalty Agreements In The Information Age Protecting Software Privacy: What Is It? The Observer appears monthly in the Baltimore Business Journal and has also appeared in The Daily Record, Computer COUNSEL, IEEE Computer and the Maryland Bar Journal. The Observer is currently written by William S. Galkin, Esq. . Mr. Galkin is in private practice in Baltimore, Maryland and has concentrated his legal practice in the technology area for over 10 years. He is also the adjunct professor of computer law at the University of Maryland School of Law, and has recently served as a special intellectual property counsel for the Maryland Attorney General's Office. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:50:22 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lonergan Lynn Subject: no web access Not having web access doesn't mean one wouldn't like to. I don't have a computer at home. The PC I use at work does not have a web browser on it nor could I use it for non-work crawling if I did. Our library has several public access PCs with web browsers which I can use on my own time. However, as a "patron" rather than a staff member, I must give way to students, faculty, and staff. This summer, when our student load was lighter, I actually managed to find two web sites without being bumped by someone with a higher priority. I hope this isn't interpreted as sniveling. It is just an explanation about those of us still on the gravel part of the information highway. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lynn A. Lonergan Assistant Editor/Librarian Air University Library Maxwell AFB AL 36112-6424 334-953-2504; fax 334-953-1192 llonergan@max1.au.af.mil ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:35:38 +0200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vincent Maes Subject: Methods to build a journal list on a particular subject ***** apologize for cross-posting ********* Dear Colleagues, I look for methods in order to build up a exhaustive list of journals on a particular subject. Intuitively, I see 3 methods : - using serial databases & lists (Ulrich, Serline, ...) - holdings of specialized organizations - statistical method : search for significant keywords in databases, and locate relevant journals Do you know publications or anything completing these ? Please answer me privately. Thank you very much in advance. Vincent Maes ------------------------------------------ Vincent Maes Pfizer 102, rue Leon Theodor B-1090 Bruxelles (Belgium) Tel : +32 2 421.17.12 / +32 2 421.17.17 / +32 2 421.17.15 Fax : +32 2 421.16.93 e-mail : maesv@pophost.eunet.be * Any views expressed are purely personal, and need not represent my employers. * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:28:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Indexing opportunity--Albany NY vicinity (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:29:17 -0400 From: Carol Gallacchi To: cskuster@library.lib.binghamton.edu Subject: Entry for ListServ NYS Archives and Records Administration, Local Government Records Services, is accepting quotes from indexers interested in producing a back of book index to Records Retention and Disposition Schedule ED-1 (ca. 120 pp) for use by school districts, BOCES, county vocational education and extension boards and teacher resource and computer training centers for the legal disposition of their official local government records. The product must have cross references indexed to terms and concepts and must reference page and item numbers. Indexer must submit a copy of the index to SARA in WP5.1. Product must be finished and approved by February 1, 1997. Indexer 1) must meet with SARA staff in Albany three times between mid-October and February 1, 1997; 2) must have prior experience with back of book indexes; 3) must submit to SARA qualifications, experience, references and samples of work. Potential candidates will be asked to index selected pages of the retention schedule. Quotes must be submitted by September 20, 1996 to: Warren Broderick, State Education Dept., State Archives and Records Administration, 10A63 CEC, Albany, NY 12230. For further information and a copy of the retention schedule contact: Warren Broderick at wbroderi@mail.nysed.gov or Carol Gallacchi at cgallacc@mail.nysed.gov and phone (518)474-4485 or (518)474-0670 (voice mail). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:12:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Markinch@AOL.COM Subject: WANTED: MESH INDEXER Aspen Systems Corp. needs freelance indexers to index biomedical/scientific material. MUST be experienced in MeSH indexing. For consideration please fax resume to 301 251 5445 or write: Aspen Systems Corp., Attn. HM-IN, 1600 Research Blvd., Rockville, MD 20850. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:59:01 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: no web access >Not having web access doesn't mean one wouldn't like to. I don't have a >computer at home. The PC I use at work does not have a web browser on it >nor could I use it for non-work crawling if I did. Our library has several >public access PCs with web browsers which I can use on my own time. >However, as a "patron" rather than a staff member, I must give way to >students, faculty, and staff. This summer, when our student load was >lighter, I actually managed to find two web sites without being bumped by >someone with a higher priority. > I hope this isn't interpreted as sniveling. It is just an explanation >about those of us still on the gravel part of the information highway. Lest y'all think I'm a cretin or something, I do sympathize with people who can't yet access the Web, for one reason or another. I was once there myself. When I went to indexing full-time and my business started to grow, I gradually added on tools to help me in my work. One of those was Web access. My point in posting yesterday was not that everybody should have Web access but that those who don't should not be angry at the rest of us for sharing Web information in this forum or try to tell us not to. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:09:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MaryMort@AOL.COM Subject: ASI Midwest group meeting American Society of Indexers Midwest Area: Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma The first formal meeting of the Midwest group will be held on: Saturday, October 12, 1996 1:00 - 5:00 pm Lawrence Public Library, Gallery meeting room 707 Vermont St. Lawrence, Kansas Topics: Index Comparison: We will compare indexes that each of us will have prepared for the same article. This is an opportunity for newer and experienced indexers alike to compare the decisions they make with those of others. Marketing Roundtable: One of the hottest topics among freelance indexers is marketing: how to get started, how to expand your client list. This will be an informal discussion. Bring your marketing materials, questions and suggestions. For details on the index comparison, and directions to the meeting, contact me at marymort@aol.com. Mary Mortensen Lawrence, Kansas marymort@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:35:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: hazel blumberg-mckee Subject: Florida ASI group? I've been away from index-l from some time, so please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered recently. Is there an ASI group or chapter somewhere in Florida or southern Georgia? If so, please do let me know. TIA, Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@polaris.net) touch typist in a point-and-click world