From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 9-AUG-1996 07:59:55.74 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9607B" Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:39:08 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9607B" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:58:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cynthia L. Peterson" Subject: Re: names In-Reply-To: <9607042017.AA05153@medcat.library.swmed.edu> On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Helen Schinske wrote: > The Anglo-American cataloguing rules are your best bet for names. You could > look at them at your local library. Another option is to call the nearest > big university library and ask to talk to a cataloguer who handles material > in these languages. Usually cataloguers are thrilled to get to help someone > personally. Another option is to look at a big library catalogue and see how > similar names are handled. The "van der" name looks Dutch to me, not > German--makes a difference. My AACR2 is in a box somewhere, so I can't help > much directly. In addition (as a cataloger, as well as a new indexer) a cataloger can search an authority file database. If the name is in there it will give the correct usage. Catalogers use this database heavily to keep consistency in names, titles, subject headings, etc. And, just for grins I just accessed it and the name *is* in there. The correct authorized form of the name is: Toorn, K. van der Hope this helps. Cynthia Peterson, Assistant Manager Database Development & Control U.T. Southwestern Medical Center Library Voice:(214) 648-3906 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. FAX:(214) 648-3981 Dallas, Texas 75235-9049 peterson@medcat.library.swmed.edu > > Remember, though, even if you alphabetize under the "incorrect" element, as > long as you have see references all will be well for the user. This is one > book and you are the only one creating this index, so you don't always have > to be "right" according to some national standard. Just be consistent and > practical. Hope this helps. > > --Helen > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:41:31 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Rush Charges In-Reply-To: <9607062022.AA12120@mx4.u.washington.edu> As a moonlighter I tell clients that I usually need a week per 200 pages of text (e.g., 2 weeks for 400-450 pages) and that I expect XXX days from delivery of the final pages for delivery of the final index. All times are negotiable based on the actual material. And I'll refuse the job if I have any doubts about meeting the client's deadline. There are times when I've underestimated the amount of time needed or the client's schedule has slipped slightly, requiring unexpectedly long hours to meet the original deadline; but when there is a significant delay on the client's end in the delivery schedule of the page proofs, I will NOT kill myself to meet an unreasonable time schedule. I've never charged a rush fee, but after this discussion would not hesitate to do so if the deadline is unreasonably short, particularly if I have to take time off from my day job to meet it. (Evenings and weekends are my NORMAL indexing times, so that's not a factor in what constitutes 'rush'). Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Sonsie Conroy wrote: > Leslie, can you define "rush job" for us? As I said earlier, I've never > gotten (or asked for) a rush charge on an indexing job, because they ALL > seem like "rush jobs" by any normal standards. > > Under what circumstances has this been offered to you? Under what > circumstances would you ask for extra money if it wasn't offered up-front? > > =Sonsie= > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:37:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Rush Charges In-Reply-To: <199607071054.DAA07288@spork.callamer.com> Leslie, I'd say two weeks after receipt of final pages is pretty standard, and IMO it's not a terrible rush to complete most books in that time span. I've had a few occasions where the pages were sent in batches and the last batch contained 75% of the material...in that situation, two weeks might not be long enough. But when I can see that is happening, I always call and alert the publisher that their deadline is going to slip. Thanks for the information. I'm beginning to think rush charges are more typical than I had realized. Maybe I had better change my own policy on this. Thanks for the encouragement! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:37:09 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Australian Society of Indexers Subject: AusSI conference pictorial and Indexers Available on the Web in 1997 Greetings!! I have just loaded the JPEG images of 15 photos taken at our two conferences in 1995 and 1996. The URLs are: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/photmary.htm http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/photrobo.htm or just go to our home page at http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi and follow the links :) This coincides with our first major pictorial issue in the AusSI Newsletter. The Web site is in full colour though and accessible to anyone on the Web. You will see our committees, the people at the conferences, the speakers, the Cake... Anyway, enough to get you interested... :) Enjoy! Lynn Farkas, the conference organiser, is still working at getting all the papers from the 1996 Indexing in the Electronic Age Robertson conference together. However it is taking a bit of time :( Please be patient. It will be worth the wait. Once Lynn has the material I will be converting the papers to HTML for loading onto our site. Re putting the Indexers Available directory on our Web site, all three committees (New South Wales, Victoria and ACT) agreed to wait until next March when the next issue comes out. In the application form everyone will be given the option to tick a box stating whether or not they want their details displayed on the Web. In the mean time Steve Sunter, my assistant, is looking into sites and software to set the database up which will house the Web directory. More news later. Cheers Dwight ------- Dwight Walker Webmaster and Editor Australian Society of Indexers +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w) W-F, fax +61-2-4383729 (w) URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:19:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Rush Charges In-Reply-To: Carolyn, I also normally work weekends and evenings...but I am beginning to realize that "normal people" don't expect to work those hours and that I do so for MY convenience, not that of my employers. Therefore, if a job =requires= that I work evenings and weekends just to make the deadline, it constitutes a rush job and I ought to get a rush fee. I ask myself if the job could be done during normal working hours within the time allotted. If so, it's not a rush. If not, and the expectation is that I should spend evenings and weekends accommodating the schedule, then it's a rush job. The fact that I may put in my eight hours from 4 p.m. to midnight really doesn't enter into it. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:04:04 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett <76400.3351@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Names I am currently indexing a book which has several Chinese and Arabic names. I have followed the alphabetization used in the bibliography, assuming that the author and copy editor knew what they were doing. Opinions? Nan Badgett Word-a-bil-i-ty ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:59:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jean A. Thompson" Subject: Forms of names, take 2 From: ALBANY::THOMPSON "Jean A. Thompson" 10-JUL-1996 10:54:17.64 To: IN%"INDEX-L%BING.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.edu" CC: THOMPSON Subj: Forms of names Hello, everyone! Now that questions are popping up about the forms of names, I guess it's time for me to stop lurking in silence. My name is Jean Thompson and I'm a librarian at the University at Albany (a.k.a. SUNY Albany.) Specifically, I catalog books for the library. Twice recently people have posted questions here concerning the forms of names to use in an index. Although I'm still an indexer wannabe, I have proposed a short monograph to ASI about how to use the Library of Congress name authority records used by library catalogers. I made a presentation on the subject to the Massachusetts chapter of ASI in April along with Alison Chipman of the Art and Architecture Thesaurus who spoke about subject term thesauri. I gave each attendee and some friends from the Maine Indexers Group copies of my first (very rough) draft. It explains what these records are and how to interpret what's in them since they are designed for the knowledgeable cataloger. However, ASI and I have not been sure of their relevance and usefulness to indexers. The questions here seem to speak to their usefulness, however access for the public via the Internet to LC's database is not user friendly at this point. Librarians have better means by which to access them, chiefly OCLC and RLIN, two "bibliographic utilities" used by libraries. I would like to make two offers, however: 1) If you have access to the Internet and would like to see my manuscript, let me know and I'll send you a copy. I would appreciate feedback from practicing indexers. 2) If you have a name you would like me to check for you, e-mail me directly (thompson@cnsvax.albany.edu) and I will send you a response ASAP. I'm in my office M-F, 8 or 9 to 5 and frequently later than 5. If this message is totally mystifying let me know and I'll try to elucidate. Happy indexing! ******************************************************************************** Jean A. Thompson PHONE: (518) 442-3628 Monographic Cataloger FAX: (518) 442-3630 University at Albany/SUNY University Library, B-35 E-MAIL: thompson@cnsvax.albany.edu 1400 Washington Avenue Albany, NY 12222 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:15:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: laws/bills/rules indexers' organization If you index --federal laws, bills, or rules, --state laws, bills, or rules, or --local ordinances AND you're interested in being part of a group of folks who do that kind of indexing, would you please send me an e-mail message? I'm trying to find who and where we all are. I recently put out a feeler in the librarians' publication of the National Conference of State Legislatures and found five new contacts. I know that a number of state indexing offices do read index-l (thanks for past help!) Even if you've sent me mail before, do so again if you're interested in a group. I'm also interested in your suggestions of other ways to reach legislative indexers. I'll let the list know what kind of response I receive. Thanks! -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:01:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Names >I am currently indexing a book which has several Chinese and Arabic names. I >have followed the alphabetization used in the bibliography, assuming that the >author and copy editor knew what they were doing. Hi, Nan. I would mention them in the cover letter that goes back with the index so they can be checked. Often, only the author is going to know whether each of those names has been Westernized or not (unless, of course, you're already familiar with the names, in which case you wouldn't be asking). I was just talking to a production editor yesterday who said he wished more indexers would include a cover letter for that kind of stuff. Surprisingly, he said that many indexers don't include any cover letter at all, just the index and a list of typos. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:14:07 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett <76400.3351@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Names In reponse to Carol Roberts who said only the author will know wheter the Chinese and Arabic names have been westernized: According to the bibliography, some have been, and some have not been westernized. Overall, it *apprears* to be carefully prepared. I will mention the potential problems in my cover letter. I can't imagine sending something out without a cover letter! Nan Badgett dba Word-a-bil-i-ty ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:10:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Names >I will mention the >potential problems in my cover letter. I can't imagine sending something out >without a cover letter! I couldn't either; I was amazed. Just to add a bit to the cover-letter point, the production editor I was discussing this with said he liked for the indexer to say a bit about the plan behind the index (or even bits of it)--not say a whole lot, just a short par.--because he uses it to educate authors! He elaborated that he wants authors to know that indexing is a complicated, thoughtful process. BTW, he always strongly encourages authors to hire a professional indexer. So this production editor is looking for something along the lines of "I took X approach to the index so as to accomplish Y"--not so much to *justify* the indexer's choices (so don't have a cow) but to show the author that we're professionals doing a complex task. I'd be interested in knowing what sorts of stuff y'all put in your cover letter. I typically include the following (not nec. in this order): 1. a thank-you for choosing me as indexer 2. a list of what's enclosed in the package 3. details of anything I want the author to look at or add to (e.g., missing first name I couldn't track down) 4. list of special characters, if any 5. a request to be told of anything that should be done differently next time 6. the date when I'm next available (unless of course I didn't want to work with that person again) 7. a comment about the book itself: I try to find something nice to say; if the book were crap, I wouldn't comment on it at all 8. with clients I've known longer, I tend to add some (brief) personal, chatty stuff at the end. I send the list of typos on a separate page. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:27:33 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Preferred Media HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO After many weeks lurking quite enjoyably on this forum, I have a question that may be worth posting. The time has come, it seems, to come out of the closet: I am an INDEXING WANNABE! Before diving into a new field of endeavour I like to acquire a basic _feel_ for the subject. Beyond my limited experience in technical writing -- and the use in my work of published documents -- my only input so far has been Larry Bonura's book "The Art of Indexing", and the informative discussions on this forum. I assume that page proofs or similar text form the source or *input* for an indexer's job, but I am unclear concerning the *output*. MEDIUM: Is the index presented as printed pages, subject to further editing and processing before publication? Or is a computer disc, even direct wire transmission for that matter, an acceptable method? Or yet still do some publishers accept camera-ready copy? FORMAT: [This may raise theological questions.] If an index is presented in data form, what is the preferred word processing format, out of the dozens available? Straight ASCII, RTF, MS-Word, Envision Publisher, GeoWorks...? ************** Many thanks to those of you with whom I have been having private chats. Live long and prosper... dllt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:48:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Names Carol, I usually send the same type of cover, including the chatty stuff for familiar clients. But, I usually do not send a list of typos. After working in a college division for 3 years, I discovered that the list of typos comes way too late and usually gets tossed. I would say always, because I never knew anyone who kept it, but I want to cma. Even my chief copyeditor said toss it. We were usually too far along to worry about typos. Others may have similar or different experiences. I'd be interested to hear. If there are egregious errors, I call right away and let them know. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:06:55 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Names In-Reply-To: <9607121911.AA13749@mx4.u.washington.edu> I usually include a cover letter when dealing with a new client, and always when there is something special about the index that needs amplification - what was or was not covered, reasons why certain terms were handled a special way, etc. But I often skip the cover when it's a straight-forward index for an established client with nothing special to comment on, and may simply include a brief hand-written note. My invoice includes the number of hours/pages/entries (however it's being billed), the title of the project, contents of the package, and a "Thanks for the business" note. At 2 in the morning when I'm finishing up a project to drop in the FEDEX box on my way to work at 7 am the next morning I am often in no condition to write cover letters! Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Carol Roberts wrote: > >I will mention the > >potential problems in my cover letter. I can't imagine sending something out > >without a cover letter! > > I couldn't either; I was amazed. Just to add a bit to the cover-letter > point, the production editor I was discussing this with said he liked for > the indexer to say a bit about the plan behind the index (or even bits of > it)--not say a whole lot, just a short par.--because he uses it to educate > authors! He elaborated that he wants authors to know that indexing is a > complicated, thoughtful process. BTW, he always strongly encourages authors > to hire a professional indexer. > > So this production editor is looking for something along the lines of "I > took X approach to the index so as to accomplish Y"--not so much to > *justify* the indexer's choices (so don't have a cow) but to show the > author that we're professionals doing a complex task. I'd be interested in > knowing what sorts of stuff y'all put in your cover letter. I typically > include the following (not nec. in this order): > > 1. a thank-you for choosing me as indexer > 2. a list of what's enclosed in the package > 3. details of anything I want the author to look at or add to (e.g., missing > first name I couldn't track down) > 4. list of special characters, if any > 5. a request to be told of anything that should be done differently next time > 6. the date when I'm next available (unless of course I didn't want to work > with that person again) > 7. a comment about the book itself: I try to find something nice to say; if > the book were crap, I wouldn't comment on it at all > 8. with clients I've known longer, I tend to add some (brief) personal, chatty > stuff at the end. > > I send the list of typos on a separate page. > > Cheers, > Carol > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:32:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: REvans4@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Names In a message dated 96-07-12 15:12:02 EDT, you write: << I can't imagine sending something out >without a cover letter! I couldn't either; I was amazed. >> Maybe it depends what field you're working in. I do 40-50 computer titles per year and have *never* sent a cover letter. Sometimes I send only an index file via e-mail. Sometimes I send a diskette and a hard copy of the index. If there are typos, I generally send them by e-mail as I'm working. If I'm delivering hard copy and there is something I want to bring to the editor's attention, I attach a postit note. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:47:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@AOL.COM Subject: list of typos In a message dated 96-07-12 17:56:15 EDT, you write: > I usually do not send a list of typos. After working >in a college division for 3 years, I discovered that the list of typos comes >way too late and usually gets tossed. I always send/fax a list of "discrepancies" and have gotten tons of sincere thanks and appreciation from the editors. One editor told me that I caught 25% more errors than the editor, proofreader, author, typesetter and copyeditor combined. Then she hired me to copyediting as well. My writing and editing background has paid off! Peg Mauer Communication Link ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:50:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@AOL.COM Subject: Re: list of typos In a message dated 96-07-12 19:45:40 EDT, you write: << Then she hired me to copyediting as well. My writing and editing background has paid off! >> Wouldn't you know it...as soon as I brag about my writing abilities, I notice a typo in my message! That'll keep me humble! ;-) Peg Mauer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:20:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Preferred Media Yes, all of the above. Publishers accept the index in a variety of outputs from the indexer. Many want hard copies in addition to the index on disk. So far, my output has been in WordPerfect format. Many publishers use word or XyWrite. I know of a local indexer who submits his indexes via e-mail to the publisher. It all depends on what the publisher is set up to receive. Obviously as an indexer, the more flexible you can be in your output format, the greater your chance of pleasing the client. Fred Leise "Between the Lines" Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:51:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: List of types/errors My experience parallels Leslie's. By the time the publisher gets the index to typeset, they're chomping at the bit to final the pages and go to press. Usually, the index is all that's left. It's simply too late. Having prior experience as an editorial supervisor with a major NY publisher taught me that. BUT, if there is an error that is not a typo, such as in a name, which a proofreader wouldn't be familiar with, I call right away. For example, there was a materials engineering science book I indexed about a year ago where a law that was know by people's names (Smythe-Jones law) had the name spelled two different ways on different pages (far apart in the text). It was obvious in the index when the two didn't combine. I researched this in my reference books, determined the correct form of the name, put it there in the index, and immediately called (or emailed) the editor to alert of the error. This wasn't a typo though, and would probably have remained despite the scrutiny of a proofreader's eyes. He/she would have no way of knowing. As an aside, I don't consider this to be part of my job as an indexer. The pages often contain quite a few typos, and I don't want to take the time out of an already busy schedule to do something that will probably be tossed out anyway Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:16:36 -0500 Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Names Subject: Typos I have had the opposite experience: editors have mentioned to me how glad they are to have oneadditional set of corrections, especially for typos that effect index entries (names spelled wrong, etc.). So, I routinely send back pages with typos as well as queries (note: not a separate list of typos. I think that takes too long to compile.) Another .02 Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:58:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen Schinske Subject: accounting software I've been wondering what sort of software people use to keep track of their business accounts. I have been using Quicken for personal accounting--one reason I thought I might actually be able to handle this scary thing of starting a business is that I found I CAN balance accounts down to (almost) the penny. I also have Peachtree Accounting for Windows (version 3.0), which came along with my secondhand computer. I'm told that it's quite powerful, but I have never gotten around to working with it. If anyone out there says it's wonderful, I'll give it a go. It may be best to respond off-list, as this topic is a bit marginal. I'm at HSchinske@aol.com Thanks!--Helen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:17:02 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara J. Stroup" Subject: paperbacks, definitions of Hello all - Please share your understanding of the difference between "mass market" and "trade" paperbacks. Until I saw some "top 50 listings" of each I thought I knew the difference: Lord of the Flies - "trade" To Kill a Mockingbird - "mass" How did they make this distinction????? The only other difference in these two lists was a slightly higher pricing for "trade." Thanks for your insights! Barbara Stroup, Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:02:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MrsIndex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: accounting software I'd love to see the answers to the accounting software query, too, and I think others might. Please go ahead and post the answers, or at least e-mail them to me as well as to the original writer. Allison Brooks ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:04:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MrsIndex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: paperbacks, definitions of As far as I know, mass market paperbacks are those ones that fit in the racks at the grocery store and are printed on nasty paper that will crumble apart in about ten years, and trade paperbacks are larger and usually have better paper. Allison Brooks ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:48:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: REvans4@AOL.COM Subject: Re: accounting software In a message dated 96-07-13 00:10:46 EDT, you write: << I've been wondering what sort of software people use to keep track of their business accounts. I have been using Quicken for personal accounting- >> I use Quicken and just set aside one account for the business. Quicken has more than enough features for my simple needs: profit/loss statements, cash flow, etc. I tried QuickBooks a couple of times and never got past the setup phase. I felt like I needed to stop and go get an MBA just to understand the setup instructions. For invoicing, I use "My Advanced Invoices" and for scheduling I use "FastTrack". There is also a nifty time clock called TraxTime that is available as shareware. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:20:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: accounting software I also use Quicken and have just set up separate income and expense categories to track business expenses as opposed to personal income and expenses. The combination of Quicken and TurboTax has made it quite easy come tax time. (Assuming you've been taking the time to enter expenses and income properly along the way.) I'd say Peachtree is much more than a freelancer would need. Unless you have a corporation there is no need for balance sheets and double entry posting, which is what Peachtree and similar products do. Fred Leise "Between the Lines" Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 20:49:00 BST-1 Reply-To: jsampson@cix.compulink.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Sampson Subject: Re: accounting software > It may be best to respond off-list, as this topic is a bit marginal. > I'm at > HSchinske@aol.com > > Thanks!--Helen I wouldn't mind reading about accounting software and its suitability for freelance work. At the moment I use Microsoft Money, but there seems to be something wrong with the way it handles account balances when archiving old transactions. Also, when one tries to read an archive file with Microsoft Money it 'updates' the file, which seems an odd thing to do with an archive. Unfortunately the 16-bit version is rather old, and I reckon Microsoft aren't about to maintain 16-bit software when they sell Windows 95. Being in the UK I doubt if Quicken would be very suitable - am I right on that? _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:14:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sanindex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: accounting software I have found the Peachtree software far superior to Quicken. You can't compare the two programs as Peachtree has so much more that you can use as YOUR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS dictates. Or, not use parts of the software program and thus not need to learn. Your tax advisor will like it due to the various accounting reports that you can provide him or her. My wife likes it as you have many invoice layouts to choose from. Or, you can modify them to your own wants and needs. It is very easy to enter payments, payroll, record receipts, balance the checking statement, make adjustments. If needed, you can operate multiple businesses, keep track of various products, inventories, applying expenses to appropriate jobs or project, and so on. If you don't need to use any of the items, then you just don't enter the information. It's a software program that you can individulize it to you own needs. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 15:12:52 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Mccrorey Subject: Re: paperbacks, definitions of Trade paperbacks are usually those that are sold in college bookstores for course readings, etc. Mass market are the ones you see at the supermarket. Janet McCrorey ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:30:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jillbarret@AOL.COM Subject: names Please excuse me for taking so long to respond to all the helpful and interesting messages so many of you posted about the names. I was in the midst of my own horror story indexing job even as I followed those on the "list"!....It was nice to know others are sympathetic and have been there! Basically, it just turned out to be a *really* rushed job - 3 indexes in 2 weeks (they normally allow 3-4 weeks), with thunderstorms that knocked out power for two evenings! Anyway, I made the deadline, learned a lot, and the client was happy. :-D Here's what happened: The first thing I did was go to the bibliography, but those names weren't included. Then I checked with the author and editor for input and let them know I was looking into it, but I guess they were happy to leave it up to me. Next, I inquired about a copy of the AACR at my local library, but it was checked out. The reference librarian checked some on-line sources (World Cat. I think was the one that was most helpful) and also suggested that library cataloguers would probably be happy to help. I am always amazed at the wealth of good information available through the members of the "list." I printed out all the messages for future reference and have taken Craig's advice about ordering my own copy of Webster's Biographical Dictionary. I think I will also try to copy the AACR's section on names. Thanks to all who responded. I was really glad for the all the professional advice! Jill Barrett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 05:30:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Names Hi Index-ellers, I used to send lists of typos until I discovered that a) it was too late in the production process to be useful or b) a final proofreading was going on concurrently with the indexing. This seems to be the case with the traditional publishers in my clientele. Software companies are a different story and seem to be able to make corrections up to the last minute, so I do notify them of typos, severe inconsistencies, incorrect heading levels, etc. Regardless of the type of client, I immediately call about factual errors (e.g., a truth table labeled for the wrong type of logic gate, etc.) because those are "stop the presses" types of situations, IMHO. Well, I do it for most clients. One book had so many errors of fact (including all of the people "who died" at Three Mile Island) that I just threw up my hands in disgust. Then there are those situations where I just sit back and giggle as, in an electronics manual, the tech writer (who didn't seem to know much about the topic) wrote: "De-energize the system and observe static." They meant to say "anti-static" or "electrostatic discharge *precautions*". (What made it even funnier was that once I did de-energize a malfunctioning piece of equipment and actually observed a grand electrostatic display complete with small explosions, bright flashes of light, and sparks running up and down the terminal boards as the equipment went through its final death throes. But that wasn't what the writer meant.) The book was such a mess that it would have required a lot of rewriting had I flagged all of the problems I found. Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:53:25 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: accounting software In-Reply-To: <9607131448.AA00816@mx5.u.washington.edu> I use Quicken for personal accounting and Quickbooks for business - mostly to make SURE that the two are kept separate - tho Quicken could certainly do the job for a business as small as mine. The latest version of Quickbooks is much closer to Quicken in the way it works than the previous editions. Quicken is still much better for managing credit cards and personal investments; but QuickBooks is definitely the hands-down winner if you have employees (which I don't), since it will handle payroll and tax payments as well; also has very nice invoicing functions. Both use the Checkbook metaphor for entering transactions and have optional electronic banking features, and can import into TurboTax if you set up the accounts right. What I would NOT recommend if you use Quicken for both personal and business accounting is trying to handle both in a single file with a common set of accounts. Simplifies entries and has the convenience of giving you a true Net Worth statement at the end of the year; but it definitely complicates business accounting and record-keeping. At a minimum, set up two totally separate files (and charts of accounts) to keep personal and business accounting separate. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Sat, 13 Jul 1996 REvans4@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 96-07-13 00:10:46 EDT, you write: > > << I've been wondering what sort of software people use to keep track of > their > business accounts. I have been using Quicken for personal accounting- >> > > I use Quicken and just set aside one account for the business. Quicken has > more than enough features for my simple needs: profit/loss statements, cash > flow, etc. > > I tried QuickBooks a couple of times and never got past the setup phase. I > felt like I needed to stop and go get an MBA just to understand the setup > instructions. > > For invoicing, I use "My Advanced Invoices" and for scheduling I use > "FastTrack". > There is also a nifty time clock called TraxTime that is available as > shareware. > > Dick Evans > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:18:32 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ruth McCammon Subject: Re: paperbacks, definitions of In-Reply-To: from "Janet Mccrorey" at Jul 13, 96 3:12 pm According to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2nd edition: trade paperback a softbound book that is usually larger and more expensive than a mass market paperback and is sold primarily in bookstores as a trade book. Also called quality paperback. It is my experience as a librarian that a title can be published as a mass market paperback (the original "pocket" book that no longer fits into a pocket), as a trade paperback, or as a hardcover. The format apparently depends on what the publisher thinks will make money. I have occasionally seen a title appear in all three formats (hardcover, trade, then mass market, at suitable intervals), for example, Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon. Hope this helps. Ruth McCammon Brighid's Wordsmith