From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 23-APR-1996 08:04:46.00 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9603A" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:04:45 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9603A" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:18:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Targetting publishers (Was :Earnings . . .) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've also used the Chronicle of Higher Education and the book ads in the NY Review of Books. For each new publisher, I typically call up to get the name of the person who hires indexers (without actually talking to that person). I like using the book ads (that is, lists of publishers' new books), because then I can say something specific in my cover letter about what they're publishing and how my interests dovetail with that. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:18:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Letter-by-letter alphabetizing on Mac? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Karin, sounds like you don't know about HyperIndex yet. It's indexing software for the Mac, and it sorts either way. About a month ago, I posted a little review of it. (A more formal review is about to come out in _Key Words_, if you're an ASI member.) I'd be happy to send a copy of the mini-review to you or anyone else who needs it. Cheers, Carol Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:19:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Marking Page Proofs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Here's how I do it: I just call up the psychic network! But seriously: One thing that's emerging here that I think is rather interesting is that each indexer seems to find her or his own specialty the most technical, the most abstract, etc. My guess is that the description of the scientific stuff--abstract concepts; discussions ranging over several pages, picking up again later; subtle relationships that must be caputured; precious little help from headings--is true of a lot of back-of-the-book indexing in all sorts of fields. It certainly seems to be true of biographies, philosophy, lit. crit., cognitive science, critical theory, sociology, economics, and art history. What's my point? Oh, just that although we work on many different subjects, they may have much in common in terms of challenges to indexers that affect our work methods. For me, I suppose the subject per se is less important than hearing a detailed description of a work method, so I can decide for myself whether it seems to fit well with the kinds of stuff I index *and* the way I think, the way my fingers work, the way my software works, etc. One more thing I wanted to add about Lynn's (and others') method of not marking up: I think you have to weigh (a) the additional time it would take to go back and check some things (assuming you do this for just a small percentage of the entries) against (b) the potential overall improvement in speed once you're out of the learning stage. If, for example, you spend an extra hour, say, going back to find terms on unmarked pages (i.e., an hour over and above what it would take you to hunt if the pages were marked), but overall your indexing speed has jumped from 10 pages an hour to 20 (or even 30) pages an hour (which is how Lynn originally described it), then it seems to me you're going to come out ahead. For a 300-page book, it would be 16 hrs. vs. 30 hrs. So although looking up terms on unmarked pages is real time spent, it is offset by the time saved by not writing or otherwise marking. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:21:26 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MariaYoung@aol.com Subject: Re: file transfer/CINDEX files ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Mary, When you want to preserve your index in the AAP format to send to your client, you will need to make a text file using the PRINT/FILE command. Be sure that your answers to the questions in the dialog box are: file type ? AAP use layout width ? n insert tags ? y use layout spacing ? n use format indents ? n The file that you will create will have the same name as your index file, with the .AAP extension. CINDEX creates a plain ASCII text file that contains the text of your index with AAP "tags." These tags are standardized, unique strings of characters that represent each tidbit of information that the compositor will need to know about your index; including hierarchy, italics, bold-face and so on. They're like an electronic version of the little hieroglyphics that we used to use for marking up page proofs when editing. The compositor then uses these tags to translate the file to his or her preferred format. This is more efficient for your client, because this way, your editor can request a standardized file type from you, and then choose from any number of compositors, knowing that your information will be readable regardless of the system(s) they use. I would recommend attaching your file to your message whenever possible (although with some systems I know that this option is regulated by file size, and you may have no choice in the matter). Because this is a plain ASCII text file, it will probably be the most easily transmitted file that you can create. What you may run into, however, is a conflict between protocols or as Jonathan Jermey said in his posting: "The problem is probably with the platform being transmitted to, not the transmission itself." At that point you would probably want to ask your client (or have them ask their sysop) what you can do to make your e-mail with attachment more easily "receivable" by their e-mail system; and then ask for help from the support staff at your service. If indeed your client does want a file that is readable by CINDEX (probably so that they can make revisions before typesetting) then simply WRITE your index to a data file which they can READ into CINDEX. This file will not contain AAP tags, but they will be able to add these themselves. If you are not sure which type of file it is that he is asking for, (probably because he doesn't really know!) ask him if he or anyone else will be using CINDEX to edit your index. If the answer is no, then create a text file using PR/FILE. I hope this helps cure some confusion ! Maria ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:21:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Presley, Paula" Subject: Re[2]: Marking pages In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:56:18 CST ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Barbara Cohen wrote: >I do enjoy knowing how other people work, but I doubt I could >ever give up marking pages, if only as a break physically from >constantly typing. I am NOT one of those who can type well enough >to enter entries before I mull them over, I guess. Barbara: For you -- or whoever wants to write an article for KW -- one factor in the equation might be the typing ability of the indexer and the amount of marking that indexer does. Some of us do our best thinking with our fingers on a keyboard (me); others with paper and pencil. I suspect that on some sort of sliding scale, the "keyboarders" do less-to-no marking and the "pencilers" do more-to-most marking. I learned to type at age 14, did office work while in high school, spent many years as a legal secretary before being involved in the publishing business. I "grew up" with computers (and their predecessors), have used DOS, Unix, and Mac. I almost always prefer keyboard commands to point-and-click (although I've learned for some projects to work with one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard). I don't make any marks on the pages unless they are proofreading marks (see my earlier note). I'd be interested in hearing from the "keyboard thinkers" and the "pencil thinkers" and their marking or not marking habits in indexing. ________________________________________________________________ Paula Presley FAX 816-785-4181 VOICE 816-785-4525 Associate Editor, Thomas Jefferson University Press Northeast Missouri State Univ. (Truman State University July 96) McClain Hall 111-L, 100 E. Normal St., Kirksville, MO 63501-4221 Internet: ppresley%nemomus@nemostate.edu ________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:21:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@aol.com Subject: DC/ASI Indexers on the 'Net meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Indexers on the 'Net: The Benefits of Going Online Saturday, March 23, 1995 National Agricultural Library, Room 1400 Beltsville, MD (From I-95, take exit 25 North on Route 1 to Beltsville. NAL is the tall building on the right. ) Ever wondered if going online can help your business? Whether you work in-house or in your own business, here is an opportunity to find out what's out there that can help you. In addition, we'll be sure to cover some of the basics--like what equipment you need to begin with, what the heck a modem is, how to install one, and some step-by-step instructions on how to transfer index files electronically. Our panel will include: Norma Harwood, Director, USDA Correspondence Program; Kevin Mulrooney, First-State Indexing; and L. Pilar Wyman, Chair, DC/ASI. The program will include live demonstrations of Email (electronic mail) communications, indexing discussion boards, ASI's Web Page, "surfing" the 'Net, and open-computer time. Handouts will be provided. 9:30-10:00 Registration/Coffee, croissants 10:00-10:30 Washington, DC Chapter of ASI Annual Business Meeting Presentation of Candidates for Election 10:30-12:00 Panel Discussion Overview of the USDA Indexing Correspondence Courses Live Demo: Email communications and file transfers Live Demo: America Online (AOL) indexing discussion boards Live Demo: Index-L discussion board Live Demo: ASI's Web Page Live Demo: Surfing the Web Open computer time RSVP to DC/ASI Secretary, Enid Zafran at 202/452-4301 by March 15 to ensure a place. Please indicate if you already have a name tag from a previous meeting. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:17:15 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Citing the Web ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I don't see how citing a Web site could be more ephemeral than citing a paper presented at a meeting, for which the author and a colleagues may have copies. No one would suggested that presented papers are not citable, and yet they are often difficult to track down as hard copy. Therefore, as long as the person creating the citation has a copy of the Web site material, it could be made available to someone trackign down the citation. (Sorry for my ungrammatical typing, I haven't had my morning caffeine yet!) Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:17:25 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Marking pages ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Paula, I'm one of your "pencil thinkers". I made a case in a previous posting about the scientific material I indexed being part of the reason for the need to read several pages, absorb, digest, and create the entries -- all independent of keyboarding. I find that sitting at the keyboard to do all that non-keyboard activity isn't necessary -- it can be done at a desk, seated more comfortably, and the keyboard-sitting time kept down to actual keyboarding time, if ya know what I mean! The other part of the reason for how I work, I think, is that I learned to index long before computers were part of indexing. I'm from the "shoebox of index cards" school, having learned indexing and gone freelance after 6 years in the publishing industry as an editorial supervisor in the 1960's . I had to write out my entries on index cards, manually interfile them, and the final process was marking cards to remove the duplicated main entries so that only the subhead would be typeset, etc. Only those who were anxious to impress the publisher, or who had plenty of time, typed (yes, TYPED!) a manuscript from those index cards. So the process was a pencil and paper one for me, and, having learned that way, I doubt that any other way can ever take its place. I've got that so firmly imprinted in my brain, with 25 years of doing it that way, that it's here to stay, I'm afraid. I wonder how many other indexers from that by-gone era are still marking pages and keyboarding as a separate operation, or am I in the minority? It seems to me that the reason for my stubborness on the subject, and my discomfort in working any other way, are as much from habit, strongly entrenched habit, as from the nature of the material I work with. Hope this sheds more light on the subject. Another aspect of "different strokes for different folks." Humans are remarkably inventive, and I think we'll find that no two work alike. Amazing how many paths there are to the same place! Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:17:34 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jimmy_Kaml@unison.com Organization: Unison Software Subject: Internet Citations ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Subject: Time:8:00 AM Internet Citations Date:3/1/96 Alison, I found this on techwr-l a couple of weeks ago. Hope it helps. Jimmy Kaml Technical Writer Unison Software, Austin, Texas jimmy_kaml@unison.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Someone asked me for this, and I've lost the address, so I'm posting to the >whole list. Delete quickly if you've already got it! >Kitty Locker >locker.1@osu.edu > > ************************************************** > * A BRIEF CITATION GUIDE FOR * > * INTERNET SOURCES IN HISTORY AND THE HUMANITIES * > ************************************************** > by > Melvin E. Page > > > for > H-AFRICA > Humanities-on-Line > and > History Department > East Tennessee State University > > >The following suggestions for citations of Internet sources in >history and the historically based humanities are derived from the >essential principles of academic citation in Kate L. Turabian, >*A Manual for Writers of Term Papers, Theses, and Dissertations, >*5th ed. (Chicago, University of Chicago Press, 1987). I have also >draw upon suggestions from some of the works listed below. The >guide has been improved by the the students of my Historical >Methods classes at East Tennessee State University and my fellow >H-AFRICA editors whom I thank for their assistance. > >Since the Internet is an evolving institution, this guide is not >intended to be definitive. Corrections, additions, comments, >suggestions, and criticisms are therefore welcome. Please address >them to the author at: > > pagem@etsuarts.east-tenn-st.edu > >When the need for revisions and updates become apparent, new versions >of the guide will be issued. > > > > ======================= > Bibliographic Citations > ======================= > > >Basic citation components and punctuation >***************************************** > >Author's Last Name, First Name. [author's internet address, if > available]. "Title of Work" or "title line of message." In > "Title of Complete Work" or title of list/site as appropriate. > [internet address]. Date, if available. > >The samples below indicate how citations of particular electronic >sources might be made. > > >Listserv Messages >***************** > >Walsh, Gretchen. [gwalsh@acs.bu.edu]. "REPLY: Using African > newspapers in teaching." In H-AFRICA. [h-africa@msu.edu]. > 18 October 1995. > > >World Wide Web >************** > >Limb, Peter. "Relationships between Labour & African Nationalist/ > Liberation Movements in Southern Africa." [http://neal.ctstateu. > edu/history/world_history/archives/limb-l.html]. May 1992. > > >FTP Site >******** > >Heinrich, Gregor. [100303.100@compuserve.com]. "Where There Is > Beauty, There is Hope: Sau Tome e Principe." [ftp.cs.ubc.ca/ > pub/local/FAQ/african/gen/saoep.txt]. July 1994. > > >Gopher Site >*********** > >"Democratic Party Platform, 1860." [wiretap.spies.com Wiretap Online > Library/civic & Historical/Political Platforms of the U.S.] > 18 June 1860. > >Kirshenblatt-Gimblett, Barbara. "Making Difference." [gopher.uic.edu > The Researcher/History/H-Net/H-Amstdy (American Studies)/Essays & > Discussions About American Studies]. 20 July 1995. > > >Usenet Group Messages >********************* > >Dell, Thomas. [dell@wiretap.spies.com]. "[EDTECH] EMG: Sacred Texts > (Networked Electronic Versions)." In [alt.etext]. 4 February > 1993. > >Legg, Sonya. [legg@harquebus.cgd.ucar.edu]. "African history book > list." In [soc.culture.african]. 5 September 1994. > > >E-mail Messages >*************** > >Page, Mel. [pagem@etsuarts.east-tenn-st.edu]. "African dance...and > Malawi." Private e-mail message to Masankho Banda, [mbanda@igc. > apc.org]. 28 November 1994. > > > > ============================== > Footnote and Endnote Citations > ============================== > > >Basic citation components and punctuation >***************************************** > > Author's First name and Last name, [author's >internet address, if available], "Title of Work" or "title line >of message," in "Title of Complete Work" or title of list/site as >appropriate, [internet address], date if available. > >The examples below indicate how citations of particular electronic >sources might be made. > > >Listserv Messages >***************** > > <1> Gretchen Walsh, [gwalsh@acs.bu.edu], "REPLY: Using African >newspapers in teaching," in H-AFRICA, [h-africa@msu.edu], 18 October >1995. > > >World Wide Web >************** > > <2> Peter Limb, "Relationships between Labour & African >Nationalist/Liberation Movements in Southern Africa," [http://neal. >ctstateu.edu/history/world_history/archives/limb-l.html], May 1992. > > >FTP Site >******** > <3> Gregor Heinrich, [100303.100@compuserve.com], "Where There Is >Beauty, There is Hope: Sao Tome e Principe," [ftp.cs.ubc.ca/pub/ >local/FAQ/african/gen/saoep.txt], July 1994. > > <4> Sonya Legg, [legg@harquebus.cgd.ucar.edu], "African history >book list," in [soc.culture.african], 5 September 1994. > > >Gopher Site >*********** > > <5> "Democratic Party Platform, 1860," [wiretap.spies.com >Wiretap Online Library/civic & Historical/Political Platforms of the >U.S.], 18 June 1860. > > <6> Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett, "Making Difference," >[gopher.uic.edu The Researcher/History/H-Net/H-Amstdy (American >Studies)/Essays & Discussions About American Studies], 20 July 1995. > >Usenet Group Messages >********************* > > <7>Thomas Dell, [dell@wiretap.spies.com] "[EDTECH] EMG: Sacred >Texts (Networked Electronic Versions)," in [alt.etext], 4 February >1993. > > >E-Mail Messages >*************** > > <8> Mel Page, [pagem@etsuarts.east-tenn-st.edu], "African >dance...and Malawi," private e-mail message to Masankho Banda, >[mbanda@igc.apc.org], 28 November 1994. > > > > >================================================ > Additional Source Material on Internet Citations > >================================================ > >Dodd, Sue A. "Bibliographic References for Computer Files in the > Social Sciences: A Discussion Paper." [gopher://info.monash. > edu.au:70/00/handy/cites]. Revised May 1990. {Published in > *IASSIST Quarterly*, 14, 2(1990): 14-17.} > >Li, Xia and Nancy Crane. *Electronic Style: A Guide to Citing > Electronic Information*. Westport: Meckler, 1993. > >University of Chicago Press *Chicago Guide to Preparing Electronic > Manuscripts: for Authors and Publishers*. Chicago: University > of Chicago Press, 1987. > >Walker, Janice R. "MLA-Style Citations of Internet Sources." > [http://www.cas.usf.edu/english/walker/janice.html]. > April 1995. > > >********************************************************************* >version 1.1 30 October 1995 >********************************************************************* > Copyright Melvin E. Page, 1995. >This document may be reproduced and redistributed, but only in its >entirety and with full acknowledgement of its source and authorship. >********************************************************************* > >------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:17:48 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lawrenc846@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Marking pages ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Paula Presley wrote: I suspect that on some sort of sliding >scale, the "keyboarders" do less-to-no marking and the >"pencilers" do more-to-most marking. .... I'd be interested in >hearing from the "keyboard thinkers" and the "pencil thinkers" >and their marking or not marking habits in indexing. I suppose I'm another "keyboard thinker." I've used typewriters from the days of the old manuels in the '50's and a Mac since '86. Also, as some who likes to keep his books in mint condition, I've never liked the idea of marking up even page proofs. But I always use point-and-click and hate the idea of keyboard commands (too much trouble). My preference is too type everything of possible use into the computer as I go along and then spend a second session making sense out of it all. Breaking the indexing tasks into two different processes I find mentally stimulating. There is also this, until very recently I did without any indexing software (I've recently begun using HyperIndex). Just typing it all into Microsoft Word for sorting. This doubtless effected the way I do things. ******************************************************** Lawrence H. Feldman Post Office Box 2493 Wheaton Maryland 20915-2493 301-933-2616 301-942-5902 FAX Lawrenc846@aol.com Indexer - Researcher - Writer ******************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:17:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kevin Mulrooney Subject: Re: Marking Page Proofs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've been reading with fascination the discussion of marking/not marking page proofs. I'm happy to find I'm not the only one who often doesn't mark proofs, yet I'm not fully comfortable with beginning indexers getting mixed impressions about marking up proofs. Like, just because Lynn doesn't do it, maybe I can dispense with it. Well just remember that Lynn has a ton of experience and is clearly not only an indexing computing goddess but pretty far out there sigma-wise IMHO. So here's a few comments before this most prolific of threads dies... When I started indexing I spent several years not marking proofs at all or minimally as I entered. I wouldn't go as far as Lynn in saying this is the "secret" of faster indexing, but put it more in the category of one of my favorite quotes. Chuck Yeager, WWII and Korean War fighter pilot and legendary test pilot; when talking about flying fighter planes in combat drunk off his rear end: "I don't recommend it, but it can be done". If you can handle it, and keep a handle on index quality at the same time, go for it. To continue, I developed a fairly fast indexing style but gradually developed guilty feelings about things I might be missing. So I started marking pages more often, particularly on difficult projects. I now have a compromise style: I markup a reasonable proportion of most texts, usually 1/3 - 2/3 of the text, more on some and less on others, depending on content. For me the primary purpose of the markup stage is not so much to highlight individual terms but to determine what levels of the text discussion will be indexed: the indexing strategy. You see I have this theory about indexing: that the hardest and most important step in any index project is arriving at the indexing strategy. This is the time to come up with a mental list of what will/will not be in the index given 1) the end user requirements 2) space alloted for the index 3) time allowed for preparing the index. It takes a varying amount of markup time for me to become fully comfortable with my decisions concerning indexing strategy. But once this point is reached I often don't feel there's any further advantage to markup as opposed to indexing directly from the pages. I use the general approach pointed out by many others of "overindexing" early on, i.e., during markup, and then when actually keyboarding the terms indexing at the appropriate level of detail, i.e., ignoring highlighted terms from detail levels determined not to be includable. I feel that by making your indexing strategy decisions in the markup stage, the editing stage is easier. There are some other advantages to marking up page proofs. For one thing (as Marilyn has already pointed out) it frees you from the drudgery of sitting in front of a keyboard all day. I keep at least several chapters in my car at all times. Then when I'm riding the exercise bike at my local YWCA, or better still when I'm downing a few beers at my favorite Mexican restaurant, I can read and markup and get something accomplished. It's not necessarily true that data entry of marked-up pages greatly increases your indexing time: when pages have been well marked the actual data entry can be a nearly mindless activity that can go *very* fast if you're a good typist: your mind is not bogged down with understanding and include/don't include decisions. And then some people like Ann Blum subcontract the typing anyway. (We miss you in Philly Ann!) Another advantage is that by the time I'm done marking up questions about divergent terminology have usually resolved themselves. I mark these appropriately in the margins, normally writing something like "Use XYZ" and "ZYX, see XYZ". I indicate subheading candidates by directing an arrow to the respective main head, or if it's not explicitly stated on the page writing it in the margins. I use a combination of circles and underlining for marking, depending on my mood, and whatever colored marker is working at the moment. I keep one of those cheapie sets of kid's colored markers around and as one marker runs out I just use another. When no markers are available I use a pen but usually then circle terms so as not to obscure any letters. Often by the time I leave the markup stage and enter the "index directly from proofs" stage a great deal of the overall structure of the index already exists on the marked up pages, making the second stage easier. Here's another cool advantage of marking up: I do a lot of chemistry texts, and it's a pain to spell out the terms. So I'll mark the term at it's first occurrence and then whenever it appears again I'll 1) add a locator at the page of the first appearance, while also 2) striking the term out at it's later appearance so I'll know it's been covered but entered previously. This approach is a tremendous help on the rare occasions when I do full scholarly name indexes: those et als can be murder! By collecting all the later locators from a chapter at the initial page, all of the 5-10 names can be covered at once without having to go back to each one separately each time the group is cited. Again I strike out the name reference on the later pages so I know it's been covered. Finally I should point out that occasionally a book is just such a bunny that marking it up would be a total waste of time. Even then sometimes I'll markup the first 2-3 pages of each chapter where the meat is, more or less for fun, and index the rest of the text straight out. The choice to markup/not markup is a reflection of the individual indexers' style and experience. Those who have a great deal of self-confidence in their abilities and more importantly their judgement, will naturally be more comfortable with indexing directly from poofs, while some others may never feel comfortable. Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:18:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kevin Mulrooney Subject: Re: File Transfer ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There's been so much activity lately it's hard to keep up, so if this post is repetitive I apologize. One of the easiest ways to transfer files is just via a simple modem-modem connection using one of several protocols, of which Z-modem is perhaps the most widely used. Any of numerous shareware communications programs (I use one called Comit) can be used for this purpose. This avoids possible problems like the Internet, your ISP, or your clients' ISP just happening to go down for maintenance just before you're about to e-mail a critical file! Recall that last year a segment of the Internet in the West decided to go on holiday for a bit. As long as the phones are working you still can send your file. I did this recently on a project in which I was to deliver the index by noon on a Sunday since the client had reserved press time for Monday. The compositor just unilaterally assumed that since most typesetting is done on a Mac the indexer must use a Mac. They sent me a bulletin board packet but it was the Mac version! We used the direct method and it worked fine. Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:18:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@aol.com Subject: Re: Marking Page Proofs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Janet said: >Seems simple, but yet nobody said it until now. Bright colored pens. I use fluorescent colors (orange, light green, light blue). When I'm looking up first initials in a citation-intensive index (a separate step that I usually do on the couch) I use bright pink, dark enough for the letters to show up clearly, bright enough to show up against the text, and different from the pen I use for checking off entries as I index! BTW, I still call the process of reading through and making entries as "redlining" (even though I'm not writing anything, just checking off), because when I learned to index at Twin Oaks Community we marked the page proofs in red pen. What do other people call this process? Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:18:32 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@aol.com Subject: Re: Population descriptors ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Terri writes: >One of the population characteristics we've chosen is citizenship. As NTs >of it, we've used 'aliens' and 'resident aliens.' However, our client says >'alien' is a hostile word in today's politically correct world. I don't >disagree, but have yet to come up with any good substitutes. Any thoughts >out there? Guidelines for Bias-Free Writing, by Marilyn Schwartz and the AAUW Task Force, says that the less pejorative terms are "documented resident" or "undocumented resident." I just got hold of this book, and I recommend it to everyone for guidelines on race/ethnicity as well as gender. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:18:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: UN027712@WVNVMS.BITNET Organization: West Virginia Network Subject: Indexer tool for DOS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi! I am looking for a WAIS-like tool for automatically indexing text files on an IBM-PC (DOS) platform. Any suggestions? Thanks! Gary B. (713) 538-2748 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:19:26 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Resources for indexers ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I would just like to thank Dick for recommending the INSIDER'S GUIDE... I just got a copy of it at lunchtime, and I am already fantasizing about new horizons to conquer. I also like being able to understand (at last) how some of the publishers I work with relate to the corporations that issue the checks. The descriptions of each press look excellent. Thanks again for recommending a valuable resource. P.S. I will write and see about adding ASI to the list of resources in the back of the book! Barbara (with her Publicity Chair cap never far off her head) -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:19:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julius Ariail Subject: Index-L gopherized archives now current ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The process has been completed to set up a new area on the Georgia Southern gopher system for the 1996 Index-L listserv archives, and the files for January and February have been transferred into this new area. The current WAIS indexing program has been extended to cover these new 1996 files. To locate these archived messages, follow these instructions (quoted from the index-L FAQ): >---On the library gopher at Georgia Southern University: > Messages are stored here from the start of the listserv in >1992 through the most recent preceding month. A WAIS searching >program is available to search through all years at once or >through a selected year. > >The GSU gopher is located through a gopher client at >gopher.gasou.edu or by telnet to gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu. >public login (INFO), and then look for the gopher program on the >the main information services menu. > >When you reach the gopher take this directory path: > >/Georgia Southern University/Henderson Library/Other >Organizations/Index-L Julius - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Julius Ariail, University Librarian jariail@gasou.edu Box 8074 Georgia Southern University Voice (912) 681-5115 Statesboro, GA 30460 USA Fax (912) 681-0093 Homepage at http://www.gasou.edu/aix2/jariail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:20:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BESSANTR@acad.ripon.edu Subject: Re: Citing the Web ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There are several proposed citation styles for scholarly publishing out on the Web. Here are the ones I can put my hands on easily right now: "MLA-Style Citations of Electronic Sources", by Janice Walker at the University of South Florida. http://222.cas.usf.edu/english/walker/mla.html "Citation style for Internet sources", by M. Wainwright. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/maw13/citation.html "A brief citation guide for Inernet sources in history and the humanities", by Melvin E. Page at East Tennessee State University (originally posted on H-Africa) This is probably up in a bunch of places. My library' reference homepage points to http://www.nmmc.com/libweb/employee/citguide.htm "Web extension to American Psychological Association Style (WEAPAS): proposed standard for referencing online documents in scientific publications", by T. Land. This includes a short bibliography of additional sites. http://www.nyu.edu/pages/psychology/WEAPAS Ruth Bessant Internet: bessantr@acad.ripon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:31:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Presley, Paula" Subject: Marking pages ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hey, let's lighten up a bit! I'm dismayed at the responses regarding my "pencil-thinkers" and "keyboard-thinkers" designation. Why am I dismayed? Because some of the responses from those of either persuasion are quite condescending--or just plain not very nice--about the work habits of the "other side." Because some work habits are more comfortable, physically and mentally, for you doesn't mean they are just as comfortable for someone else. What one person views as "drudgery" may be another's "delight." [I just erased a long message, summed up in the previous sentence.] I guess the "bottom line" is: what kinds of indexes are we producing. If they're high quality indexes of which the composer can be proud(or at least content), if the author and publisher are happy, if the indexer is happy, does it really matter what technology we use. Certainly everybody has "helpful hints" for working smarter, but lets be a bit more respectful of each other's work habits. My original observation about "pencil thinkers" and "keyboard thinkers" was intended to spark discussion about the various (positive) aspects of either way o f thinking *for those who practiced that method*--not to slam anybody else's. Thanks, ________________________________________________________________ Paula Presley FAX 816-785-4181 VOICE 816-785-4525 Associate Editor, Thomas Jefferson University Press Northeast Missouri State Univ. (Truman State University July 96) McClain Hall 111-L, 100 E. Normal St., Kirksville, MO 63501-4221 Internet: ppresley%nemomus@nemostate.edu ________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:31:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Angela Howard Subject: sorting indexes in Word ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A friend of mine (it's not me, really it isn't!) has to create an index in Word. She has some index entries that start with symbols, such as #ABC. Word sorts the entries, apparently, strictly by ASCII, and so this entry shows up at the beginning of the index with all the other symbols. She wants the entry to be sorted with the "A"s, ignoring the # symbol, but there doesn't seem to be a way to customize the way it sorts. Has anyone created indexes in Word? Do you know if it is possible to customize the sorting method used by Word for indexes? I know that creating indexes in Word is undesirable, to say the least, and that most of you probably use CINDEX or MACREX, but she does not have any choice with this particular contract, so if anyone happens to know the answer to this problem, it would be greatly appreciated! ________________________________________________________ Angela M. Howard, Technical Writer /\ |\ /| | | NaviSoft, Inc. (805)882-2350 x126 /--\ | \ / | |----| angela@navisoft.com / \ | \/ | | | ________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:32:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: HyperIndex ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I recently responded to several requests for my (previously posted) review of HyperIndex. I've just realized that I neglected to mention how to order this software, and I didn't keep copies of those people's requests. You can order HyperIndex directly from its author, Andre De Tienne: ADETIENN@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:32:09 ECT Reply-To: Libis@sjumusic.stjohns.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Library & Information Science Subject: St. John's University Indexing Workshop ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The full text of the brochure for the Indexing Workshop which was previously announced on this listserv follows. Please note the change of location of the seminar. Those interested in attending may print out the registration form from this file, complete it, and mail it in with the appropriate payment. If you would like to receive a printed brochure, please call (718) 990-6200. ______________________________________________________________________ Libis, Division of Library and Information Science Colleges of Liberal Arts and Sciences, St. John's University 8000 Utopia Parkway, Jamaica NY 11439 Voice: (718) 990-6200 Fax: (718) 380-0353 BENSONJ@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU Indexing Books and Manuals: Principles and Techniques Friday, April 26, 1996 The Association of the Bar of the City of New York 42 West 44th Street New York, NY A Professional Development Seminar taught by Bella Hass Weinberg sponsored by St. John's University Division of Library and Information Science and Metropolitan College !Indexing Books and Manuals is a one-day seminar that introduces the preparation of book indexes, covering concepts of indexable matter, structure of index entries, cross references, filing, format, and indexer-publisher relations. Both manual and computer-assisted techniques are discussed (but not demonstrated). The seminar focuses on the intellectual aspects of index production, rather than the management of an indexing business. Authors, publishers, information scientists, librarians, technical writers, and indexers -- both experienced and novice -- should benefit from the seminar. No prior training in library and information science is required. Continuing Education Units (.6 CEU) may be received by those attending. Reports on the 1990 Book Indexing Seminar were published in The Indexer (Oct. 1990) and the Journal of Education for Library and Information Science (Winter 1991). A report on the 1992 seminar appeared in Key Words: The Newsletter of the American Society of Indexers (July-Aug. 1992). The 1992 and 1994 seminars were rated "excellent" by a majority of those attending, including many experienced indexers. ___________________________ American Express Business Travel is the official agent for the seminar. For discount airline and/or hotel reservations, call Travel Services during normal business hours at (800) 530-8978. The Association of the Bar of the City of New York is easy to reach by subway, bus, or railroad.! Indexing Books and Manual: Principles and Techniques Date: Friday, April 26, 1996 Time: 9 am - 5 pm 9:00 - 9:30 Registration and Coffee 9:30 - 10:40 Principles of Indexing 10:40 - 11:00 Break 11:00 - 12:30 Cross-Reference Structure 12:30 - 1:45 Lunch 1:45 - 3:00 Format of Indexes 3:00 - 3:20 Break 3:20 - 4:20 Techniques of Indexing 4:20 - 5:00 Questions and Answers Place The Association of the Bar of the City of New York 42 West 44th Street (between 5th and 6th Avenues) New York, NY Fees $95 including buffet lunch, coffee breaks, and handouts $65 for students, St. John's University (SJU) staff, and members of the American Society of Indexers (ASI) $5 for .6 Continuing Education Units (optional) Preregistration fees (until Apr. 9, 1996) $85 regular $60 students, SJU staff, and ASI members! Seminar Instructor Dr. Bella Hass Weinberg is a Past President of the American Society of Indexers and former Chair of its Indexer Education Committee. As a Professor in the graduate Division of Library and Information Science at St. John's University, she teaches courses in indexing and abstracting as well as information science. Dr. Weinberg has compiled several highly praised book indexes and consults on the design of large-scale indexing and thesaurus projects. She has reviewed national and international standards as well as numerous books related to indexing and has published extensively on indexing theory. The book she edited, Indexing: The State of Our Knowledge and the State of Our Ignorance (Learned Information, 1989), has received many favorable reviews. ______________________________ For further information, write or call: James A. 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JOHN'S UNIVERSITY and mailed by April 18, 1996 to: INDEXING SEMINAR Division of Library & Information Science St. John's University Jamaica, NY 11439 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:21:27 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: James Turner Subject: IASC Web site ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Please note that the WWW site of the Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada is now up and running. You can reach it at: http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~turner/iasc/home.html We are officially inaugurating the site on Wed Mar 13, so if you're up this way, please join us at EBSI, UdeM, room C-2023. -- __________________________________________________________ James Turner, professeur adjoint Ecole de bibliotheconomie et des sciences de l'information Universite de Montreal CP 6128, succursale Centre-ville, Montreal, QC, CAN H3C 3J7 Telephone +1 514 343 2454 Telecopie +1 514 343 5753 turner@ere.umontreal.ca http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~turner __________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:21:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Blask@aol.com Subject: Re: sorting indexes in Word ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- It seems to me that the simplest thing is to put the symbol at the end of each entry--ABC#, etc. That way the entry will appear where it belongs, and as a very last task so that she doesn't have to sort again, search for each symbol and put it where it belongs. Sometimes it's easier to work around the shortcoming of any system you're dealing with rather than trying to adjust the system. Incidentally, since I publish books using Framemaker and do my own indexes, I have learned to use the Framemaker indexing system fairly efficiently despite all its drawbacks. Once again it's a question of figuring out compensatory mechanisms such as using various symbols you can find at the end to adjust the index's formatting. Solving the problem is half the fun. BLasky ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:22:04 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: American Society for Information Science Subject: ASIS Mid Year Conference- Prelim. 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I guess what I conclude is that age has less to do with it than how you break down tasks (not related to technology). Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:22:49 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: sorting indexes in Word In-Reply-To: <199603041932.LAA19783@mail6.netcom.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- One way out might be a program called KEDIT which is a DOS program (there maybe a Windows version by now) which takes in large ASCII files and you can tell it what columns to sort on. Once it is done, you could re-import it back to WORD. I find the power in this program to sort large files worth having an extra program around. It is actually based on IBM mainframe editor. I have an 1992 version at the publisher is Mansfield Software Group PO Box 532 Storrs, CT 06268 203 429-8402 Roberta Horowitz roberta@netcom.com On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Angela Howard wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > A friend of mine (it's not me, really it isn't!) has to create an index > in Word. She has some index entries that start with symbols, such as #ABC. > Word sorts the entries, apparently, strictly by ASCII, and so this entry > shows up at the beginning of the index with all the other symbols. She > wants the entry to be sorted with the "A"s, ignoring the # symbol, but there > doesn't seem to be a way to customize the way it sorts. > > Has anyone created indexes in Word? Do you know if it is possible to customiz e > the sorting method used by Word for indexes? > > I know that creating indexes in Word is undesirable, to say the least, and tha t > most of you probably use CINDEX or MACREX, but she does not have any choice > with this particular contract, so if anyone happens to know the answer to this > problem, it would be greatly appreciated! > > ________________________________________________________ > > Angela M. Howard, Technical Writer /\ |\ /| | | > NaviSoft, Inc. (805)882-2350 x126 /--\ | \ / | |----| > angela@navisoft.com / \ | \/ | | | > ________________________________________________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:23:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: sorting indexes in Word ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I know that creating indexes in Word is undesirable, to say the least, and that >most of you probably use CINDEX or MACREX, but she does not have any choice >with this particular contract, so if anyone happens to know the answer to this >problem, it would be greatly appreciated! I created indexes in Word for 3 yrs. It's not undesirable, just slow. (Now I use HyperIndex and export the finished to Word.) I wish I had a better answer, but I never found a way to trick Word into sorting the way I wanted. I checked just now to see if making the # hidden text would make Word ignore it in sorting. No such luck. I think your friend will just have to leave them at the top of the document til she's done keying in and then move them. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:23:22 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexing Services Subject: ASI Heartland Meeting correction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The fee for our meeting was incorrectly posted as $3 for nonmembers. It should have been $8 for members and $13 for nonmembers. Sorry for the confusion. Joan Griffitts indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: REvans4@aol.com Subject: KEDIT (Was: sorting indexes in Word) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have used KEDIT for years and find it very powerful for things like this, though the learning curve may be a bit steep if you don't use it often. It is virtually identical to IBM's XEDIT. There is now a Windows version available, too. I have one client who wants a CINDEX file in ASCII delimited database format, which does not interpret printing codes, suppress special character codes, or perform conversions on the connector characters. I routinely make KEDIT my last stop where I edit these out. For instance, if I use a colon (:) as a separator character, I can globally change all occurrences of a colon to whatever separator the client wants. In this case, I change every colon to the string " to ". Of course, you have to be sure you have used a unique character for the separator. Otherwise, you may change colons you didn't want changed. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:13:17 ECT Reply-To: Robin Hilp Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: W: SENDER field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Population descriptors In-Reply-To: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Mon, 4 Mar 1996 DStaub11@aol.com wrote: > Guidelines for Bias-Free Writing, by Marilyn Schwartz and the AAUW Task > Force, says that the less pejorative terms are "documented resident" or > "undocumented resident." "documented" and "undocumented" -- What's today, 1996? They're only about 12 years late, aren't they?! How well do the terms in this book apply to international writing? My manuals are published in Europe in English and translated to Chinese and Japanese for publication in Asia. > I just got hold of this book, and I recommend it to everyone for guidelines > on race/ethnicity as well as gender. Where is it available? ========================================================================== Robin Hilp robin@microtekintl.com "Play me Le Jazz Hot, baby!" business: Microtek International, Inc | personal: 2373 N.W.185th #329 3300 NW 211th Terrace | Hillsboro, OR 97124 Hillsboro, OR 97124 | GE(TW)$ d H+++ s-:+ g- p2+ !au a w+ !v-* C USV P+ L+ 3- E N++ K W+ M V -po+ Y+ t 5++ j R G' tv b+++(++) D B- e+++>-- u** h----(*) f+ r+++ n+ z++++ ========================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:13:55 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@aol.com Subject: Re: Marking Page Proofs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In a message dated 96-03-04 09:19:43 EST, Kevin wrote: >I've been reading with fascination the discussion of marking/not marking >page proofs. I'm happy to find I'm not the only one who often doesn't mark >proofs, yet I'm not fully comfortable with beginning indexers getting mixed >impressions about marking up proofs. Kevin, Even though netiquette demands that we not consume bandwidth with "I agree" postings, I have to say that I agree with you. You made me rethink the advice I gave to new indexers (which started this thread) and come to the conclusion that perhaps I performed a real disservice to them by recommending that they not mark up the proofs to increase indexing speed. So, this is not only a "me too" posting, but an apology to new indexers out there! IMHO, the type of reading that we do for indexing is very different from reading for other purposes. It really puts the mind in a very different zone and learning to index is not at all easy. So, if anyone wants to jump into the abyss of working from unmarked proofs, and it's definitely not for everyone, please don't do it until you've really gotten the basics down of marking up the pages as recommended by Chicago and the USDA course. When I'm indexing, I'm actually working from "mental" highlights and notes put there by my pre-readings of the text, but this cannot work for you if you haven't learned to physically mark the text first. Nor will it work well if the indexer is not willing to pre-read, read, re-read and constantly edit while indexing. Plus, it requires looking at the screen a lot (in response to someone's expressed concern about accuracy). By saying this, I'm not implying that physical markings on the page are merely "training wheels" or for the intellectually challenged--not at all! Please, please don't read that into what I'm saying here, folks. It is a tried and true method used by many (probably the majority) of very experienced and very good indexers. It's not at all a thing of one method being better than the other per se for experienced indexers, but really seems (IMHO) to be determined by mental processes and work style unique to each indexer. And when it comes to these determinants, one cannot legitimately make value judgements. Those can only be reserved for the bottom line--the completed index. And quality indexes is what we're all about here, regardless of how we get there. Though working from unmarked pages leads *me* to create more detailed indexes than *I* otherwise would, this could lead to missed entries by those who use a different mental process and technique. Just different, not inferior. Thanks again, Kevin, for a wonderful post. You challenged me to think just a bit further and in the process to put brain more fully in gear before engaging fingers. ;-D Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:14:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@aol.com Subject: Re: sorting indexes in Word ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In a message dated 96-03-05 09:22:20 EST, BLasky wrote: > Incidentally, since I publish books using Framemaker and do my own >indexes, I have learned to use the Framemaker indexing system fairly >efficiently despite all its drawbacks. Once again it's a question of figuring >out compensatory mechanisms such as using various symbols you can find at the >end to adjust the index's formatting. Solving the problem is half the fun. > And here's where FrameMaker is superior to Word (in the stone-and-chisel indexing products). In FrameMaker, you can force the entry "#ABC to sort as ABC, retaining the octothorpe as the prefix. (Yep, I'm in an octothorpe kind of mood today. ;-D) The text to enter in the marker would be as follows: #ABC[ABC] The string within square brackets tells FrameMaker where to sort it. BTW, FrameMaker is often a later destination for documents written in Word. I've been able to nudge clients wanting indexes in Word over to FrameMaker citing: a) the superior quality of embedding indexes in FrameMaker because of being able to force the sort order (including in subentries); and b) the indexer receives the document later in the production process. (If it's still in Word, the writers may be tempted to make changes AFTER you've already indexed it before porting to FrameMaker.) Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:47:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathryn Cook Subject: Re: Population descriptors ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ---------------Original Message--------------- ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A big part of the project involves coming up with appropriate language, in a controlled vocabulary, to describe the population(s) that benefit from receiving grants. One of the population characteristics we've chosen is citizenship. As NTs of it, we've used 'aliens' and 'resident aliens.' However, our client says 'alien' is a hostile word in today's politically correct world. I don't disagree, but have yet to come up with any good substitutes. Any thoughts out there? ----------End of Original Message---------- I've stumbled across a title that sounds like it would be helpful. THE POLITICALLY CORRECT PHRASEBOOK By Nigel Rees ISBN: 0-7475-1426-7 It is listed in BOOKS IN PRINT as a reference book. No bookstore near me had any in stock, so I don't know what the text is like. I just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else was interested in checking it out. **************************************************** Kathryn Cook 16:47:08 03/05/96 "A room without books is like a body without a soul" -- Cicero **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:47:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CBROWN@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Subject: indexing careers ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am a student in the School of Library and Information Studies at the University of Oklahoma and am doing a project on indexing as a career. Part of the project involves describing the current job market, mobility within a career area and transferability of job skills/knowledge to other positions. I have been searching the literature and reading books on the subject of indexing BUT have not had much luck finding this information. Looking at several sources of jobs on the Internet only has shown 3 positions-at MLA. I would appreciate any suggestions about where to look for this information as well as your experiences with the current market for indexers. Please reply to me directly at: cecyb@uoknor.edu Thanks very much!!! Cecelia Brown ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:48:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: coming to Denver? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- If you plan to come to Denver for the ASI Annual Conference in May and you haven't yet made your reservations, you might want to take advantage of the current air fare wars. Some tickets are reduced by as much as 50% (depending upon the days of travel). Lori Lathrop Chair, ASI-Colorado chapter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:49:26 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Bean Subject: Cindex and WordPerfect ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am a new user of an old Cindex program (1991) and am having trouble sending a formatted, sorted index to a WordPerfect file. Any tips on how this can be done? (The help files list WordPerfect as one of the compatible file formats). Thanks. Jonathan Bean Southern Illinois University Department of History Carbondale, IL 62901 jonbean@siu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:52:48 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Marking Pages ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello to everyone at the cyber-round table on marking pages! (Could this be a discussion group for a future national lmeting?) My indexing experience is almost exclusively with scholarly texts. Mostly multidisciplinary research in art history, anthropology, sociology, which are combined with science and social sciences. My last one involved evolution theories (Darwinian, Spencerian, and Lamarckian) and their effect on the art of Northeastern Anglo-American painters between about 1865 and 1910. Politics, economics, and religion were all substantively represented. After this description you probably won't be surprised that I'm a page marker. And the first time through the book I don't always have appropriate conceptual terms at the right level as they come up. I make notes in the margin, especially about concepts that may relate to the various themes in the book not mentioned on that page. The right-hand margin is for concepts that will (or probably will) go into the index, and the left-hand margin is for the extra detail that may come up later. Those notes are place holders. When I've given the book the once-over, and have marked about 20% of the text, I start keying entries while rereading or skimming the text (on a copyholder by the monitor) for the marked text. I continue to alternate marking and reading/entering until done. This way I have an idea of what's coming up while I'm making terminology decisions for the chapters marked earlier, but it's still fresh enough to keep track of several concept streams as I enter the index terms. I've seen some ideas in this discussion that could help me be more efficient. It has been quite enlightening. TTFN, Neva = < +> = * = < +> = * = < +> = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services njsmith@bga.com PO Box 2157, Round Rock, TX 78680-2157 voice/fax +1-512-244-2767 & Editor, _Library Currents_ PO Box 2199, Round Rock, TX 78680-2199 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:53:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara J. Stroup" Subject: Indexers at Home ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello, indexers - I'm a fairly new subscriber to the list and have enjoyed it so far as a reader, so I am emerging from cyber-shadows with 1)a message of appreciation for your thoughtful and informative postings, and 2) a request....I'm researching an article on "what it's like to live with an indexer" for possible publication in Keywords. Would you care to comment? Would your spouse/significant other/friends care to??? If you can offer him/her for a lighthearted interview, please write directly to me. I hope to hear from many of you! Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:53:29 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dick Ellis Subject: Finding an Indexer ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi, I've been following the various discussions of this group for a year-or-so, hoping to discover the *ultimate hint* on how to index 10 years of our newsletter (approximately 84 issues). Each issue has 5 to 12 articles, all written about or around high performance computing in the various fields of astronomy, environmental sciences, chemistry, mathematics, biological sciences, and computer science. Digital images and photographs supplement the articles and should, of course, be included in the index. I've pretty much decided, due to the subject matter (heavy scientific terminology, etc.), that I'm not qualified since an author/title listing of all the articles won't quite cut it. Subject and keyword terms are needed as well. Soooooooooo, here's the query: How to locate a professional indexer in the San Diego area willing to discuss with me how much $$$$ (and time) would be involved for both an 85-issue index job as well as the follow-up issue-by-issue (quarterly) indexing task. Since I DO NOT have the authority to acutally hire someone, I need enough information to PROPOSE the project. Oh, we are in a "Mac environment" here. Not sure whether or not that makes a difference. thanks, Dick E. =============================================================== Dick Ellis, Librarian dellis@sdsc.edu San Diego Supercomputer Center Voice Phone: (619)534-5171 P.O. Box 85608 Fax: (619)534-5117 San Diego, CA 92186-9784 "Sometimes it's a little better to travel than to arrive." -Robert Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) =============================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:56:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Re: Finding an Indexer ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Mr. Ellis, The American Society of Indexers has a classified indexer locator. You can look up indexers by subject specialty, geographic location, and type of material indexed, among other things. E-mail the Society at ASI@well.com for a copy. You mentioned you would prefer someone in the SanDiego area. You may not realize that is is common for indexers to work over the Internet, and via overnight couriers. This practice means you have a wider range of choices and could concentrate on subject specialty or type of material indexed. Neva Smith = < +> = * = < +> = * = < +> = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services njsmith@bga.com PO Box 2157, Round Rock, TX 78680-2157 voice/fax +1-512-244-2767 & Editor, _Library Currents_ PO Box 2199, Round Rock, TX 78680-2199 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:56:21 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Bero Subject: Re: Finding an Indexer In-Reply-To: <199603071501.JAA24696@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dick Ellis asked about locating indexers in his area, and the ASI Web maintainers have also recently gotten a similar questions. So, this seems like it might be a good time to remind others on INDEX-L that the American Society of Indexers office has a database of freelance indexers that they can search by location (or specialty, or both). They also distribute print "directories" of indexers listed in that database known as the _Indexer Locator_. The print _Indexer Locator_ is offered FREE to publishers, and all information requested from a search of the database is also FREE. For more information about that publication or database, take a look at the ASI Web site, or contact ASI at the address/phone below: American Society of Indexers Voice: (206) 241-9196 Fax: (206) 727-6430 Email: asi@well.com Web: http://www.well.com/user/asi/ Hope this helps... -Kari ........................................................................... Kari J. Bero Bero-West Indexing Services 206-937-3673 3722 Beach Drive SW, Suite 101 bero@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu Seattle, WA 98116 http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~bero/ ........................................................................... On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Dick Ellis wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- <> > How to locate a professional indexer in the San Diego area willing to discuss > with me how much $$$$ (and time) would be involved for both an 85-issue index > job as well as the follow-up issue-by-issue (quarterly) indexing task. Since > I DO NOT have the authority to acutally hire someone, I need enough > information to PROPOSE the project. > Oh, we are in a "Mac environment" here. Not sure whether or not that makes > a difference. > > thanks, > Dick E. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:56:33 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Finding an Indexer ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear All: I have responded to Dick's query directly, as I have indexed the newsletter of NCSA for the last 9 years. However, if anyone else is interested in details, I mnentioned to him that I would be willing to estimate the cost of the venture based on my experience for the last nine years, and that I would be happy to make a list of the problems an indexer will encounter (mostly migration of terminology affecting supercomputers over the last nine years). If someone in the San Diego is going to take this on, you might want to contact me directly (becohen@prairienet.org) to chat about some of the problems I've been encountering with the newsletters I've been indexing for NCSA. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL