From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 6-JUN-1995 15:08:50.73 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9505E" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:09:42 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9505E" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:49:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Emily Cikovsky Subject: ALA conference ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Can anyone provide more information - contact name, how to register? Many thanks. Emily Cikovsky ******************** 506-2099, 506-1361 FAX Product Manager * CoAuthor ConText * 500 OP, 5th floor, #528 New Media Division ******************** Oracle The Brain - is wider than the Sky - For - put them side by side - The one the other will contain - With ease - and You - beside. -Emily Dickinson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:39:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Emery Subject: Re: ALA conference In-Reply-To: <01HR49MSLQOI9I585L@MATH.AMS.ORG> from "Emily Cikovsky" at May 30, 95 02:49:52 pm ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- For information about all aspects of the ALA Conference in Chicago, including registration, contact the ALA at: (800)545-2433, ext. 2477. Address: 50 East Huron St., Chicago, IL 60611. They will send you a packet of information upon request. > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > Can anyone provide more information - contact name, how to register? > > Many thanks. > > Emily Cikovsky ******************** 506-2099, 506-1361 FAX > Product Manager * CoAuthor ConText * 500 OP, 5th floor, #528 > New Media Division ******************** Oracle > > The Brain - is wider than the Sky - > For - put them side by side - > The one the other will contain - > With ease - and You - beside. > -Emily Dickinson > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:40:05 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Ethics in indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > >>----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>Many publishers recognize the fact that good indexes make books more >>marketable. >> >>*Buzzwords* in industry or academic texts (and indexes) can make books >>more marketable. I've had clients who requested that the index point to >>every instance of certain *buzzwords*, no matter where they occur in the >>text (even if they appear to be a passing mention). And I've done as they >>asked, even though their guidelines did not agree with my own standards >>for a quality index. >> The request of publishers for an indexer to index all mentions of certain topics assumes that this will enhance the marketability of the book; that is, that more people will buy the book, or it will be more favourably reviewed, if it has more mentions of topics such as minority groups. Indexing passing mentions of these groups results in an index that initially makes the book look better, but on futher examination will make it, and the index, look, worse, because there will not be significant bits of information in the text. If extra index mentions of these minority groups, even if inappropriate, will improve the marketability of the book, because they refer to current concerns, then surely the sensible thing for the publisher to do would be to get the author to put more information on these topics into the book. Then the indexer could happily and appropriately index these topics, and users who consult the index would actually be satisfied by the information they find. If the publisher thought about this issue logically from the beginning then the indexer would never need this anguish. Glenda Browne. Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW Australia 061-47-398-199 jonathan@magna.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:40:31 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Author indexes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > >>. I hear this lament over and >>over again in the writing forums here on AOL: I didn't know I had to produce >>the index or else lose part of my income on the book! These abusive and >>misleading contracts need to be assigned to the dustbin. This is something I >>would like to see ASI actively working on through liaisons with publishing >>trade associations. >> >>Comments? >> >>Larry Harrison >> >> >> The assumption of publishers that authors should be responsible for the indexing of a book (even when the publishers acknowledge, in the same breath, that professional indexers usually do a better job!), always amazes me. I have sometimes wondered whether liason with Societies of Authors might also be useful, although perhaps non-fiction authors are not so likely to be in these societies? I have also noticed that most of the books that I index are edited works with many authors; presumably most of those with just one author are indexed by the authors. One thing that indexing does here is show up the variance in terminology used by all the different authors. Glenda Browne. Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW Australia 061-47-398-199 jonathan@magna.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:44:22 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: help with creation of Australian Society of Indexers World Wide Web page ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- If there are any Australians, New Zealanders or anyone else on this list interested in creating a World Wide Web page for the Australian Society of Indexers, please email me on: dwalker@zeta.org.au If you are in Sydney, Australia, ring me on 02-3986726 (h) or 02-4393750 (w) Wed-Fri. My work fax is: 02-4383729 (CEASA). My postal address is: 2/1 Nelson St Randwick NSW Australia 2031 I have created a test site at: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker/aussi.htm Off it hangs the International Conference group of pages: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker/auscon2.htm The main input is in organising the pages and suggesting possible host sites. Ideas for content and links would be great. Most host sites seem to charge for Web areas on top of the usual account charges. Experiences with getting a site going would be helpful. Lynn Moncrief (of American Society of Indexers) has helped no end. Help keep our side up on this side of the globe ;-). Many thanks Dwight Webmaster AusSI (Australian Society of Indexers) ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker dwalker@zeta.org.au +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w) W-F Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker