========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:41:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <9503071917.AA08548@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- That's obviously a decision for ASI to make. It's really inexpensive (I think it's $5 for members and $10 for non-members) if you want to order it from ASI. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jonathan Jermey wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > >ASI's recommended indexing contract (available on disk) has a nice escape > >clause covering penalties for late delivery of page proofs. > > >Carolyn Weaver > >Bellevue, Wa. > >e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu > >voice: 206/930-4348 > > Could somebody possibly make that contract available for downloading via ftp? > > Thanks > Jonathan. > Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne > Blaxland NSW (047) 398-199 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:41:25 ECT Reply-To: jjones@uiuc.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joel Jones Subject: Re: 1995 computer science thesaurus ... In-Reply-To: <199503071920.AA27530@mailbag.cen.uiuc.edu> from "JCPO@aol.com" at Mar 7, 95 02:15:11 pm ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- If you can ftp, you can use the web. There are several sites that allow for guest access and using lynx, even with dumb terminals. Here are the directions. Use telnet to access acm.org telnet acm.org Login as guest. Press return once. Then you will be prompted with: Username: GUEST Access the ACM home page. By doing this, you will be put into Lynx, a web browser for dumb terminals. 1 To access any web page, type g (for goto) then the URL. g http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/signet/JHSI/cr.html Within Lynx, you can get further help by typing ? Joel Jones ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:52:55 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a)" Subject: INDEX-L: error report from BINGVMB Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 14:00:42 EST Subject: Re: Hardware design guide I'll say 'Amen' to that. I just finished a cumulative index for our quarterly journals for 1994. They were originally produced in FrameMaker, and not knowing any better, I used FrameMaker to generate the index. It was very complicated. If I wanted to include a reference from Volume 184, that might also have been mentioned in 185, 186, 187, I had to search through each issue individually, mark it, etc. The whole time I kept thinking that there MUST be a package somewhere that will automatically do that for me once the first reference was identified. Is there? I've been meaning to check into Cindex and Macrex, but am a Macintosh user. Any of you wizards :) have an idea? Although I practically sweat bullets, the Grame index *does* look nice. _____________________________________________________________________ Joyce M. Hammock Writer/Editor National Institutes of Health DCRT/CFB/ETS HBJ@nihcu (BITNET) HBJ@cu.nih.gov (Internet) 301-594-1327 The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his own way. -Josh Billings > > > > >----------------------------Original > message---------------------------- > >The base rate for technical manuals these days is about $3.00 per page. > But > >depending on the complexity of the material, rates can go up to $5.00 > per > >page or more. > > > > > > Indexing in FrameMaker is a form of embedded indexing, which is > more difficult and time-consuming than using dedicated indexing > software. Therefore, I suggest a $5/page minimum depending on the > complexity of the material. > > Lynn Moncrief > TECHindex & Docs ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:26:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TRIP10@aol.com Subject: EDUCATIONAL SEMINARS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- COMPUTER SUPPORT TO INDEXING: A PRACTICAL CONTINUUM Monday, March 27, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. * Washington, DC - American Psychological Association/PsycINFO There is renewed interest in the support computers can provide to the indexing process as abstracting and indexing services reengineer their production systems. Automated support takes many forms-- authority file support, display and selection from an online thesaurus, and text analysis and assignment of terms, with or without human review. The state of the art will be discussed through a general overview and case studies of pilot and operational systems. The expert presenters that will be leading this seminar are: Jessica Milstead, The JELEM Company, who gives an "Overview"; Joel Hammond, BIOSIS, discusses "Automated Support to Indexing at BIOSIS - Authority File & "Pick List" Support"; Jay Trolley, ISI, talks about "ISI's Keywordplus - Automated Indexing Without Human Review"; June Silvester, NASA, discusses "NASA's Machine Aided Indexing - Supplying Candidate Terms in a Client Server Environment"; and Captain James Kent, National Air Intelligence Center, talks about their machine assisted indexing. SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the best-selling 1992 NFAIS Report by Gail Hodge, Automated Support to Indexing, for 50% Off! Members pay just $40 and non-members just $50. Seminar Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included in registration fee. Lunch will be on your own. ************************************************* INFORMATION INDUSTRY OVERVIEW Tuesday, March 28, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. * Arlington, VA - Knight-Ridder Information Inc. With the information industry grows at an astounding rate, it can be difficult to keep up with it. So NFAIS is holding its one-day seminar to help the newly hired as well as the seasoned professionals, learn and talk about the history, present conditions, and future outlook of the industry. This seminar is a must for all in the online information industry. The expert presenters that will be leading this seminar are: Richard Kaser, NFAIS, gives us a "Historical Overview"; Ann Caputo, Knight-Ridder, talks about "The products"; Carol Bekar, Bristol-Meyer Squibb, discusses "Producers & Vendors"; and Donald T. Hawkins, AT&T, sheds some light on "The Future." SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a FREE copy of the ever-popular 1985 NFAIS Report by Ev Brenner & Tefko Saracevic, Indexing and Searching in Perspective -- a $50 value! Seminar Cost: $159.00 ($119.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included in registration fee. Lunch will be on your own. ************************************************* KEEPING UP WITH THE LIBRARY MARKET Wednesday, April 12, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. * Philadelphia, PA -- KNIGHT-RIDDER INFORMATION, INC. Office As the information world changes and evolves technologically, so do libraries who purchase them. So NFAIS has put together a brand new seminar specifically designed to discuss what is going on in the library market. During this one-day course, we will hear about new technologies as well as upcoming innovations from public, academic, and corporate libraries. The expert speakers that will be leading this seminar are: Helen Atkins & Sina Adibi, ISI, who will start things off with "Keeping Up With Technology"; Barbara J. Ickes, The Free Library, presents from the Public Library point of view; Steve Bell, Lippincott Library-UPENN, will be speaking on the Academic Library standpoint; Susan Jones, Rohm & Haas, talks about the Corporate Library; and Meryl Cinnammon, Palinet concludes with "The Consortia." SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the 1992 NFAIS Report by Stephanie Ardito, Customer Services and User Training, for 50% Off! Members pay just $20 and non-members just $25. Seminar Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included in registration fee. Lunch will be provided. ************************************************* TECHNIQUES FOR PROCESS, ANALYSIS & DESIGN Tuesday, April 18, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. * Philadelphia, PA Various techniques adapted from data processing, organizational analysis, and industrial process control can be used to improve and redesign current processes and to develop new ones. This hands-on seminar will allow attendees to receive an overview of these various techniques and actually use these techniques to solve hypothetical problems. Benchmarking and pilot studies are also discussed. The expert presenters leading this seminar are: William Fein, Information Access Company, leads off with "Enterprise Modeling"; Renee Pysz, Document & Image Systems Consulting, talks about "Data Modeling"; a speaker to be deter-mined will discuss "Workflow Simulation"; and Neal Duffy, Cigna Systems, will talk about "Problem Solving Techniques." SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the latest NFAIS Report, Impacts of Changing Production Technologies, for 50% Off! Members pay just $25 and non-members just $30. Seminar Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included in registration fee. Lunch will be provided. ************************************************* TO REGISTER FOR A SEMINAR, CALL NFAIS HEADQUARTERS AT 215-893-1561. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:27:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EDELMAN@zodiac.rutgers.edu ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A good friend of mine in the The Netherlands, independent Asian historian Burchard Pennink (without access to the Internet) has posed the following question to me, which I am glad to post for comment and suggestions. I will forward all messages and summarize responses if warranted: During my recent reading of printed books (in Dutch, English and French), having been published before 1850 and describing historical aspects of maritime expansion East of Capetown, it struck me that such sources rarely or never contain alphabetical (or any) indexes of persons, ships, topographical entities, etc. who or which occur or are referred to in the texts. Whoever wishes to know who and what is mentioned or referred to where in the literature is condemned to time-consuming research. Different students, in the above time and local frame, have to do about the same search over and over again. The books they use, often rar and delicate, suffer. Does such a database exist anywhere in the US (or elsewhere)? Please send your responses to: Hendrik Edelman Rutgers University Edelman@Zodiac.Rutgers.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:27:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a)" Subject: INDEX-L: error report from GODIVA.SPS.MOT.COM >From Jonathan Jermey: > > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > >There has been some very helpful discussion of the features of CINDEX and > >MACREX, but these are a little out of my price range, as the indexing that > >I am currently involved in is volunteer work. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > How much do you value your time? If you plan to spend 100+ hours indexing > per year, then using (and getting to know) a fully-featured indexing program > could eventually save you at least 50 hours per annum. If you value your > time at $12 or more an hour then Macrex or Cindex will pay for themselves in > saved time within a year. But of course it also depends on the type of > output you are being called on for. Macrex/Cindex may save 50% over using index cards, but I've already written some simple indexing software that saves a considerable chunk of that 50%. I'm just at the point where I'm hunting for something a little better or for ideas to where I could make the indexing software I've written a little better. For the work I'm doing, I only need to be able to produce a single style/format of index, and it is perfectly acceptable to be able to generate plain text file versions of the index with some makeshift coding added to identify italic text, so I really don't need a very power indexing tool. I don't need but a very small fraction of the capabilities of Cindex/Macrex, so I can't really justify spending $500-$700 on either of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Pressly ...uunet!motsps!oakhill.sps.mot.com!mattp mattp@oakhill.sps.mot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:59:24 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: HairyLarry@aol.com Subject: Re: CINDEX on a Macintosh ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I use CINDEX for DOS on a Macintosh by running SoftPC from Insignia Solutions. It works fine for me. You do need to feel fairly comfortable with DOS, since you actually have a DOS machine inside a window in your Mac, with everything that implies. Email me if you have more detailed questions about this. CINDEX has also announced the intention of producing a Macintosh version. You can contact Indexing Research directly for more information on this. (Email IRCINDEX@aol.com) Regards, Larry Harrison Hairylarry@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:10:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ian Odgers Subject: Re: EDUCATIONAL SEMINARS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Could you kindly advise whether an abstract of the report by Gail Hodge is available, and how to order it? The Australian Society of Indexers exchanges newsletters with NFAIS, but we don't seem to have come across details of this report. Is it (or an abstract) available in electronic form? Many thanks, Ian Odgers, Hon. Secretary, AusSI >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >COMPUTER SUPPORT TO INDEXING: A PRACTICAL CONTINUUM >Monday, March 27, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. * Washington, DC - American >Psychological Association/PsycINFO > >SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the best-selling 1992 >NFAIS Report by Gail Hodge, >Automated Support to Indexing, for 50% Off! Members pay just $40 and >non-members just $50. >Seminar Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included in >registration fee. Lunch will be on your own. >************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:10:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John_Collis@colybrand.com.au Subject: Re EDUC SEMINARS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- GRATEFUL THANKS to whoever posted the info on seminars (see excerpt below) - one of the seminars looks as if it will cover the sort of topics that I joined this mailing list two months ago in the hope of finding! Only problems are (a) I'm 12000 miles away and won't be able to attend and (b) the phone number is not very useful to me because of the time difference (and expense of internatioonal phone calls) Does anyone know any email addresses through which I might be able to contact any of the speakers (or organisers) of the seminar? Alternatively, is anyone planning to attend it? I'm very keen to establish contact with people working in this area and would also love to get hold of copies of papers (I would happily pay postage and/or an agreed fee to the presenter/conference organiser) Regards John Collis (my address is: John_Collis@colybrand.com.au) PS - my email system does not show the email address of the person who sends a message to the list. Is that normal, or should I be talking to our network administrator? > ---------------------Original message---------------------------- > COMPUTER SUPPORT TO INDEXING: A PRACTICAL CONTINUUM > Monday, March 27, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. * Washington, DC - > American Psychological Association/PsycINFO > . . . . > The expert presenters that will be leading this seminar are: > Jessica Milstead, The JELEM Company, who gives an "Overview"; Joel > Hammond, BIOSIS, discusses "Automated Support to Indexing at BIOSIS > - Authority File & "Pick List" Support"; Jay Trolley, ISI, talks > about "ISI's Keywordplus - Automated Indexing Without Human Review"; > June Silvester, NASA, discusses "NASA's Machine Aided Indexing - > Supplying Candidate Terms in a Client Server Environment"; and > Captain James Kent, National Air Intelligence Center, talks about > their machine assisted indexing. > SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the best-selling > 1992 NFAIS Report by Gail Hodge, Automated Support to Indexing, for > 50% Off! Members pay just $40 and non-members just $50. Seminar > Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included > in registration fee. Lunch will be on your own. > . . . . > TO REGISTER FOR A SEMINAR, CALL NFAIS HEADQUARTERS AT 215-893-1561. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:01:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Wren Subject: new indexer needs HELP ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- As a favor to my church I am indexing the minister's book. I indexed it for my indexing class but now the book has been revised (new pagination) so I'm starting over. Would appreciate comments regarding: what to do with Biblical characters (Ruth, David), separate entries or subheaded under Biblical characters; same for scriptures, (Genesis..), put under Bible, Bible scriptures or a separate heading for each Bible chapter? I haven't read that much religious material and so would appreciate any advice. This book is not scholarly or lengthy. Thanks again! pam g_wren@venus.twu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:01:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MaryMort@aol.com Subject: New York ASI, March meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The next meeting of the New York chapter of the American Society of Indexers will be held as follows: Date: Thursday, March 23, 1995 Speaker: Peter Liebscher Associate Professor Palmer School of Library and Information Sciences Long Island University Topic: Indexing the Internet? Place: American Institute of CPAs Library, Concourse Level 1211 Avenue of the Americas (at 47th St.) New York, NY Time: 5:30 - 6:00 p.m. reception; 6:00 - 7:00 meeting Fee: Members $3.00 Non-members $6.00 Please reserve by March 17 by sending your check, with your name, company name (if applicable) and number of members and nonmembers to: Janet Mazefsky Research Institute of America 90 Fifth Ave. New York, NY 10011 If you have questions, Janet can be reached at Jmazefsky@aol.com or (212) 337-4168, or contact me at marymort@aol.com. Mary Mortensen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:01:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SageEdit@aol.com Subject: E-Mail Addresses ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- John Collis asked "PS - my email system does not show the email address of the "person who sends a message to the list. Is that normal, or "should I be talking to our network administrator? >From another mailing list to which I subscribe, I understand that various systems work differently, and for that reason it is considered polite to include your e-mail &/or geographical address in your posting. Sally Jane Gellert SageEdit@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:02:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Washington State Indexers Meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- WASHINGTON STATE INDEXERS MARKETING WORKSHOP WHEN: Saturday, 25 March, 1995 WHERE: University of Washington, South Campus Center, Room 248/250 TIME: 1-3:30 p.m. (sign-in from 12:30) SPEAKER:Ann Leach TOPIC: Marketing Strategies for Free-Lance Indexers Ann Leach, of Glendora, California, is well-known to members through her work on the ASI Board and her contributions to KeyWords and Entry Points. She has been a full-time free lance indexer for more than 10 years, and ASI will soon publish her monograph on marketing skills. DRIVING DIRECTIONS: >From I-5, take the 45th St. exit to the University of Washington. Turn south on 15th St. and continue to Gate #6 at Columbia Road. Parking should be available in the S1 lots adjacent to South Campus Center; it's free after 12 noon on Saturdays. >From SR-520, take the Montlake exit. Turn left onto Pacific. From Pacific, turn left at 15th St. (first main intersection) and continue as above. If you need additional directions, call Carolyn Weaver at 206/543-3401 or send an e-mail message to cweaver@u.washington.edu Since the University charges for the use of their rooms by nonaffiliated groups, each attendee will be asked to contribute $3.00 at sign-in to offset room costs. Any funds collected over the cost of the room will be applied to postage costs. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:03:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Efthimis N. Efthimiadis" Subject: UCLA: McDonald Research Colloquium ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Department of Library & Information Science, GSE&IS, UCLA, and the Student Chapter of ASIS cordially invite you to the research colloquium by Professor Craig McDonald on "Published Literature and Knowledge-Based Systems" Date: March 21, Time: 4:00-5:30pm Place: Department of Library & Information Science, Graduate School of Education & Information Studies, University of California, Los Angeles, in GSE&IS Bldg Room 111 Parking: Parking available at $5. There will be refreshments after the colloquium. For more information please see abstract below... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ,-_|\ Craig McDonald, E-mail cmcdonald@csu.edu.au / \ Charles Sturt University Fax 61 69 222733 \_,-._* <- Wagga Wagga AUSTRALIA Phone 61 69 222594 v Currently Visiting Associate Professor, DLIS, GSE&IS, UCLA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Published Literature and Knowledge-Based Systems" by Professor Craig McDonald Abstract: The literature in an academic domain is a primary source of knowledge for students, researchers and practitioners. Computer systems, especially knowledge-based systems, have been used in various ways to support knowledge-work but often these systems have not been well grounded in the literature. This seminar discusses two projects which attempt to extract knowledge from literature and represent it in ways suited to its various users. 1) Research Papers : Research results only form a normal part of professional practice after they have been published, presented at conferences and seminars, built into training and education courses and so on. In the viticulture (grape growing) industry, this path from applied research to actual vineyard management is a long one, and knowledge can be lost in transit. A project is progressing that tests methods to build applied research results directly into a decision support system (Australia's Cooperative Research Center's AusVit system) as a part of the R & D process. The system using these techniques will result in quicker and more effective extension of research results, and a consolidation of much of the varied types of available knowledge in the field. 2) Text Books : A clear, complete, concise and accessible definition of the conceptual structure of an academic filed could have considerable benefit for university students, academics and librarians. The 'concept map' is a knowledge representation method, a type of semantic network, that can capture such a structure, but which is difficult to construct. Textbooks embody an author's view of the concepts and knowledge organization of an academic field, although they are written so that teachers can use them as a basis for instruction. This project is based on the idea that textbooks may be processed semi-automatically to produce concept maps that present the conceptual structure implicit in the academic field. Such maps may be useful in information retrieval, education, curriculum development and textbook evaluation. Efthimis N. Efthimiadis Assistant Professor Department of Library and Information Science Graduate School of Education & Information Studies University of California at Los Angeles 241 GSE&IS Building, 152003 405 Hilgard Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1520 tel: 310-825-8975; fax: 310-206-4460; email: efthimis@gslis.ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:04:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: acuesta@BIX.com Subject: Re: THESAURUS CONSTRUCTION SOFTWARE ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On January 27, Andrea Pfeffer wrote: >I am interested in obtaining information about Thesaurus Construction >Software. I work on a biomedical thesaurus which is currently on a >mainframe, and want to convert it to a PC-based system. If anyone has >information about possible software, please respond to this e-mail. Andrea-- I've just read your old above posting. I have a reference to the following company: Liu-Palmer 111 Gateway Boulevard, suite 195 Los Angeles, CA 90064-2829 Tel: +1(310)390-4884 Fax: +1(310)390-9270 Supposedly they make something called Thesaurus Construction System. I tried to contact them by fax, but had no success. Please let me know if you are more successful. I would also appreciate if you shared with us any findings among the responses to your above posting. Regards. --Albert Cuesta [acuesta@bix.com] Thesaurus Serveis Documentals, Barcelona ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:05:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TRIP10@aol.com Subject: Re: ABSTRACT OF BOOK ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Automated Support to Indexing spans a vast continuum: from simple look-up files to sophisticated machine-aided indexing environments to automated indexing without human intervention. This report opens with a defintion and historical perspective of automated support to subject indexing. The merits of automation in terms of economics and staffing are discussed. National and international case studies follow, describing the development, installation, and application of systems in action. Gail Hodge discusses current and future solutions offered by commercial software, related technologies such as neural networks and expert systems, and academic research programs. ************************************************ To order this publication or to receive our publications catalog, call NFAIS at 215-893-1561. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:05:35 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JCPO@aol.com Subject: Custom library SW for Mac ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear Index-L'ers, I received this letter the other day and I'm forwarding it (with the writer's permission) hoping that someone may get a job out of it. Note that Mr. Hecht uses a Macintosh, and has already checked out Pro Cite and End Note, which don't have the page numbering capability he requires. Please reply to Mr. Hecht directly. Originally to: JCPO@aol.com (John Chapot) Text of original message: From: 71224.3307@compuserve.com (William S. Hecht) I am interested in finding someone who I can hire to write me a database for my library. I want to enter keywords AND have page numbers associated with each keyword for a specific book. I want to be able to go to my database and ask it to show me all references to say "glaciers" and give me the book OR books that "glaciers" is referenced in AND the page number or number in each book. Can you help me out or suggest someone or some company? I would assume this is a relational database requirement and Hypercard may not be up to the task especially for a library of several thousand books and still have it work fast. William S. Hecht 3766 Highland Avenue Skaneateles, NY 13152 315-685-1880 Compuserve address 71224,3307 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:12:14 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: new indexer needs HELP ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There was a *lengthy* discussion about separate subject indexes a time back. I refer to the alternative of having a Subject Index and a Scripture (or Scriptural Passage) Index. I have seen this often. The choice, in your case, I believe would be to ask your pastor on the minister's preference. I would also check with the author on the people of the Bible, with choices beginning with: 1. List each by name separately 2. Index under a heading, such as: People of the Bible 3. List separately *and* under a general topic If space (because of printing-space budget limitations) is important, I would index by best-known Biblical name separately, with a cross reference of: People of the Bible, See Individual listings Otherwise, you would need to have listings, such as: Abraham, See under People of the Bible Ruth, See under People of the Bible The second choice would be nearly as space-consuming as choice number 3. So sorry the pagination has changed. best, Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@powergrid.electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:12:25 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Re: new indexer needs HELP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 95 14:01:08 +0700." ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi, Pam, You note that the book is not scholarly or length. Even so, the scholarly practice of having a separate entry for each identifiable verse would be a good idea. Sometimes these are put in a separate index of scriptural citations, but you wouldn't need that. Just make an entry like I Corinthians 10:13 with the book as the main head and the chapter and verse as the subhead if there's more than one reference to the book. About the Biblical characters:separate heads are better. It's easier for people to look up specific names than to try to figure out what phrase you have used as a general term to look under. You might have to use qualifiers: John the Baptist, John (evangelist). Use general terms like "Bible" only if the text is actually speaking generally. Hope this helps. Maryann Corbett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:44:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shore Editorial Services Subject: Re: new indexer needs HELP ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- If the book isn't scholarly, your main criterion should be making it easy for the reader. Almost any way you do it is okay, but be sure to clue the reader in. For instance, if you have subentries for some individual books of the bible, it makes sense to have each book (Genesis, etc.) as a separate entry. But in that case, under Bible, put a cross-reference: See also titles of biblical books. Scriputres: See Bible; see titles of biblical books. If you think readers are likely to want to find references to speicific characters,then I'd go ahead and give them their own entries. Why not? It's not so much a matter of right and wrong as a matter of making it easy for reade3rs to find what they're looking for. Hope the project goes well. Lys Ann Shore, Shore Editorial Services, Lshore@paladin.iusb.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:44:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David White Subject: Re: new indexer needs HELP In-Reply-To: <199503131951.AA11656@mail.eskimo.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pam, Most of the indexing I do is for theological books. Here is what I would do. For the biblical characters, I would not list them as subheadings under the heading Biblical Characters. Rather, I would list them each as a seperate heading. As far as Scripture references go, it depends on how many there are. If you have just a few, then it seems best to list them as seperate headings. If you have more than just a few I would recommend creating a seperate Scripture index. Dave ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:45:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Indexing using wordprocessing software In-Reply-To: <9503131855.AA06692@core.symnet.net> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I can't remember if I saw this on index-l or in an issue of _Key Words_. Someone had written that he or she used regular wordprocessing software to produce indexes. Does anyone out there have that information? Does anyone out there use WordPerfect to create indexes? I'd be interested in hearing from you. If you feel that this'd take up too much space on index-l, please feel free to write to me at my e-mail address. Many thanks! Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@symnet.net) "We must view with profound respect the infinite capacity of the human mind to resist the introduction of useful knowledge."--Thomas Lounsbury ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:49:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: johno@spry.com Subject: Re: new indexer needs HELP ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pam, Every book related to religious topics I have read includes at least two indexes: one subject index, and one scriptoral index. The scriptoral index may be titled "Scriptural References", and is indexed in order of the books in n canon: Genesis, Exodus... and so on. References within books are indexed in i numerical order by chapter number, then verse: Genesis 1:26; 2:15; 2:17. Thus, *people* of the Bible are indexed in the subject index: Abraham, faith i of; whereas *books* of the Bible are indexed by scripture, unless they are a r topic: "Daniel, Book of, Numerous visions in". Hope that helps! 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Only problems are (a) I'm 12000 miles away and won't be able to attend and (b) the phone number is not very useful to me because of the time difference (and expense of internatioonal phone calls) Does anyone know any email addresses through which I might be able to contact any of the speakers (or organisers) of the seminar? Alternatively, is anyone planning to attend it? I'm very keen to establish contact with people working in this area and would also love to get hold of copies of papers (I would happily pay postage and/or an agreed fee to the presenter/conference organiser) Regards John Collis (my address is: John_Collis@colybrand.com.au) PS - my email system does not show the email address of the person who sends a message to the list. Is that normal, or should I be talking to our network administrator? > ---------------------Original message---------------------------- > COMPUTER SUPPORT TO INDEXING: A PRACTICAL CONTINUUM > Monday, March 27, 1995 * 9:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. * Washington, DC - > American Psychological Association/PsycINFO > . . . . > The expert presenters that will be leading this seminar are: > Jessica Milstead, The JELEM Company, who gives an "Overview"; Joel > Hammond, BIOSIS, discusses "Automated Support to Indexing at BIOSIS > - Authority File & "Pick List" Support"; Jay Trolley, ISI, talks > about "ISI's Keywordplus - Automated Indexing Without Human Review"; > June Silvester, NASA, discusses "NASA's Machine Aided Indexing - > Supplying Candidate Terms in a Client Server Environment"; and > Captain James Kent, National Air Intelligence Center, talks about > their machine assisted indexing. > SPECIAL OFFER: Attend the course and get a copy of the best-selling > 1992 NFAIS Report by Gail Hodge, Automated Support to Indexing, for > 50% Off! Members pay just $40 and non-members just $50. Seminar > Cost: $199.00 ($149.00 NFAIS Members) - Refreshments are included > in registration fee. Lunch will be on your own. > . . . . > TO REGISTER FOR A SEMINAR, CALL NFAIS HEADQUARTERS AT 215-893-1561. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:50:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, NYU" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: CFP: International Dictionary of University Histories ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- THE INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF UNIVERSITY HISTORIES Seeks contributors to write 2500-3000 word essays on each of the 200 most illustrious colleges/universities in the world. Essay writers are responsible for research and writing. However, the editor has received background information on some institutions which will be sent to designated writers. Compensation is $200 for each essay with $10 photocopying expenses. Each writer may contribute up to four essays. Deadlines are staggered: the first essay is due one month after assignment, the second one month after that, etc. If you're interested in working on this project, send a resume and writing sample. By mail : Mary Elizabeth Devine, Editor THE INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF UNIVERSITY HISTORIES Fitzroy Dearborn Publishers 70 E. Walton Place Chicago, IL 60611 By fax: before 3/28 -- 312/587-1049 thereafter -- 312/951-7311 You will receive further information and a list of the institutions of higher education by return mail. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:51:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Sharon Lezotte (LIS)" Subject: Re: THESAURUS CONSTRUCTION SOFTWARE In-Reply-To: <199503140019.TAA04880@luna.cas.usf.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I received a demo software copy of the LUI-PALMER, at the end of last year. Also, with it came an announcement of a new windows version, for 1995. The software is most impressive for the price, as I reviewed three other demo programs, also. It will be the software program I'll purchase, when I begin doing more construction of a thesaurus later this year. IMHO, it is probably one of the best values on the market... Sharon lezotte@luna.cas.usf.edu On Mon, 13 Mar 1995 acuesta@BIX.com wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > On January 27, Andrea Pfeffer wrote: > >I am interested in obtaining information about Thesaurus Construction > >Software. I work on a biomedical thesaurus which is currently on a > >mainframe, and want to convert it to a PC-based system. If anyone has > >information about possible software, please respond to this e-mail. > > Andrea-- > > I've just read your old above posting. I have a reference to the following > company: > > Liu-Palmer > 111 Gateway Boulevard, suite 195 > Los Angeles, CA 90064-2829 > Tel: +1(310)390-4884 > Fax: +1(310)390-9270 > > Supposedly they make something called Thesaurus Construction System. I > tried to contact them by fax, but had no success. Please let me know if you > are more successful. I would also appreciate if you shared with us any > findings among the responses to your above posting. > > Regards. > > --Albert Cuesta [acuesta@bix.com] > Thesaurus Serveis Documentals, Barcelona >