========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:33:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Re: Indexes in Children's Books In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jan 95 11:47:01 +0700." ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear Lori-- The Mother's Almanac, in the edition I receieved when my son was born in 1983, has an index that always drives me nuts. The book is full of wonderful, specific methods, recipes, and projects, that I remember by names like "Ecuadorian bread dough" or "salt clay" and could even find under "sculpting." But no. I have to figure out whether to look under the main heading Arts or the main heading Crafts and the thin I'm looking for is always a sub-subheading. Another thing that drives me wild is caused, I know, by the impulse to have age levels sort in numerical order. The main headings "Child, Two" and "child, Three" are used instead of "Two-year-olds" "Three-year-olds" and the like. I've always wondered whether others had the same troubles I did with this book. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else mentions it. Regards, and good luck with your presentation. Maryann Corbett maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:34:15 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MCLAUGHB@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: PENCIL conference ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Lori, could you post more information about the PENCIL conference? I'd like to include it in "See and see also" the SoCal ASI chapter newsletter. I know of at least one member who is especially interested in indexes for children's books. Thanks. Bonny McLaughlin ASI/SoCal Chapter President mclaughb@cgs.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:34:34 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@aol.com Subject: Re: Information Mapping ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello all-- when I tell people that I am a freelance indexer, and they get that puzzled/confused look on their face, I say, "That is, I'm a freelance writer, and I write indexes--you know, those things in the backs of books, where you go to look up information." the image of the freelance writer, running around in sweats and socks, and with a laptop nearby, seems to fit the person they are often facing, anyway. just my .02! Pilar L. Pilar Wyman Wyman Indexing Annapolis, MD email: PilarW@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:35:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: REVANS4509@aol.com Subject: Re: Indexing programs? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The following is from the Indexing FAQ File in the Writer's Club of America Online. The file is maintained by Pilar Wyman and is reached at keyword "writers" then Writer's Club Libraries, Non-fiction Library. While there, you might also be interested in Indexing FAQ Supplement (about organizations for indexers), also by Pilar Wyman, and Who's Who of Indexers ( profiles of indexers on AOL) maintained by yours truly. SOFTWARE: All is for DOS-based PCs Cindex Indexing Research Box 18609 Rochester, NY 14618-0609 Tel: 716-461-5530, Fax: 716-442-3924 $495, demos $30 + s&h IN>SORT Kensa Software P.O. Box 4415 Northbrook, IL 60065 Tel: 708-559-0297 $79, demos $25 Macrex Bayside Indexing Service P.O. Box 3051 Daly City, CA 95015-0051 Tel: 415-756-0821, Fax: 415-757-1567 E-mail: Macrex@aol.com $495 (+ tax for CA residents), demos $50, 20% discount to ASI/IASC members IndexCheck Leverage Technologies, Inc. P.O. Box 470086 Cleveland, OH 44147-0086 Tel/Fax: 216-838-1203 Index verification and quality checking tool, works with Cindex. $30 + $3 s&h See also: A Guide to Indexing Software, by Linda K. Fetters, 4th ed. ASI, 1992. "Evaluates 9 standalone indexing programs for IBM PC and compatible computers." --available from ASI at $10 for members, $15 for nonmembers. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:16:30 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: PENCIL conference ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In response to Bonny McLaughlin (MCLAUGHB@CGSVAX.CGS.EDU), who asked me to provide more information on the PENCIL (Professional Emphasis on Needs for Children's Illustrations & Literature) .... I don't have a brochure on the conference yet, but I'll tell you what I know. The PENCIL conference, which is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain chapter of the Society for Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, will be held at Red Rocks Community College in Lakewood, CO, on Saturday, February 25th. The organizer of the conference does not have an e-mail address, but I'll make sure she gets your request for a brochure if you send me an e-mail message with your name and "snail mail" address. Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:21:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@aol.com Subject: Re: Mother's Almanac ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- MaryAnn-- Yes! others have had *exactly* the same problem with that very index. I wrote a letter to the editors about it, in fact, not long ago. I too was trying to find the recipe for clay, much to my consternation; another time it was papier mache--under Arts, of course. And another edition is out I hear. I wonder if it has a similarly troubled index?! (will try to find my letter for partial posting later) Pilar ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:22:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Mulholland, Sara" Subject: classification ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Does anyone know of any good references on the topic of CLASSIFICATION, in comparison with indexing, its function, value, usefulness, etc.? I and my colleagues are preparing a presentation on indexing, classification, and thesaurus maintenance that will be given to an audience of academic-type people with subject-matter expertise (psychology) but virtually no knowledge of the information industry. We would like to have some good, solid, industry information to use as hand-outs or pre-meeting reading for them and are having trouble finding good materials about classification. (The other two parts, indexing & thsaurus, are in pretty good shape, but we're open to suggestions for them also.) Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Sarah Mulholland PsycINFO snm.apa@email.apa.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:22:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Judith Weigel Subject: Re: Indexes in Children's Books In-Reply-To: <199501091436.AA08666@bierce.latimes.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Most yellow pages phone directories drive my crazy for much the same reason. When I am looking for a source of Stained Glass, I just dont think of looking under glass at first. I am not familiar with the mother's book mentioned in previous post, but in general, I try to index as specifically as possible, ie. not Prisons - Los Angeles County, but Theo J. Lacy Branch Jail. If the story is about that one jail, its history, culture, etc. reporters looking for that jail really don't care about prisons in general. My experience as an online searcher and reference librarian bears this out. Users prefer documents with the words they have requested in the headlines or titles. Specific indexing enables this. The Times stories are full text searchable, so why index? is the question we continually wrestle with. Indexing for the concepts specific to the story is one reason. Judy Weigel, Database Construction, Los Angeles Times, Editorial Library ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:03:29 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Patricia Dwyer-Hallquist Subject: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi - I' relatively new at indexing (completed the USDA Basic Indexing course last fall). I use Cindex on an IBM compatible computer. I am not at familiar with Macintosh computers. My question has to do with conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files. I understand that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by a Macintosh if there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if there isn't a DOS mounter? Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with programs that convert the files? A software supplier suggested a program called Conversion Plus, but wasn't sure exactly what it would do. Any help would be appreciated. I have a potential customer (actually a relative who lives on the other side of the country) who uses a Macintosh. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Pat Dwyer-Hallquist (patdh@well.sf.ca.us) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:12:45 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types In-Reply-To: <9501112127.AA17801@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There is file conversion software with MAC System 7 that permits opening a PC file that's saved in RTF format. And on a Power Mac, the conversion is actually built into the software; doesn't even require a separate conversion. If the MAC user wants to give you (the PC user) a file on disk, then THEY need to convert it to a PC file on their own machine and save it onto a DOS-formatted disk in RTF or your word processing format; you should be able to open the converted file on your PC with no trouble. (You might need to supply them with the formatted disk to use.) I would advise against accepting a file on disk in any case, since you will probably have to print it out for indexing. Simply require that they supply you with a printout as a condition of accepting the assignment. Or if they expect you to do the printout, charge them for it! Unless you're imbedding codes into their file [which you can't do directly on a MAC disk in any case], you're still going to need the hard copy to work from. As a side note with regard to Power Macs, there is a side effect to their flexibility that users need to be aware of. As background, I use Cindex for indexing. My husband is a MAC addict, and I've always used his MacIIsi to convert the Cindex file to MAC format if the client wanted it that way. About 6 months ago he upgraded to a Power Mac running Microsoft Office. (I use Microsoft Word as my Windows word processor.) On my last index, the client wanted the output in MAC Word 5.0. Following past procedure, I stuck the DOS disk in the MAC floppy drive, opened it in Word (no separate MAC conversion needed), saved it to the hard drive, and then proceeded to save it back as a MAC file to a different disk, which had been previously formatted for DOS. In my previous MAC experience (using the IIsi), when a MAC drive tries to read a PC disk, it will bleep and ask if you wanted to initialize [format] the disk - which I would then initialize as MAC prior to saving the MAC-formatted file. The Power Mac, however, did not offer the option for re-initializing the disk; it simply saved the MAC file to the PC disk - which my client's standard MAC couldn't read. I had to initialize a completely blank disk for the MAC in order to get the file to read properly on a non-Power MAC. The moral of the story is that while the Power MACs will obligingly read either MAC or DOS disks, you need to be VERY careful to make sure that your machine-readable file is saved on a disk that is readable by the client's setup - because the computer doesn't care which format disk is in the drive! Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Patricia Dwyer-Hallquist wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Hi - I' relatively new at indexing (completed the USDA Basic Indexing > course last fall). I use Cindex on an IBM compatible computer. I am > not at familiar with Macintosh computers. My question has to do with > conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files. I understand > that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by a Macintosh if > there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if there isn't a DOS > mounter? Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you > their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way > to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with > programs that convert the files? A software supplier suggested a program > called Conversion Plus, but wasn't sure exactly what it would do. > Any help would be appreciated. I have a potential customer (actually a > relative who lives on the other side of the country) who uses a Macintosh. > Thanks for any help anyone can offer. > Pat Dwyer-Hallquist (patdh@well.sf.ca.us) > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:13:13 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ALOREK@Claude.CapCollege.BC.CA Organization: Capilano College Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pat Dwyer-Hallquist wrote: >I understand that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by >a Macintosh if there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if >there isn't a DOS mounter? I use the DOS version of Cindex on a PowerPC (a Macintosh computer which also runs SoftWindows, giving me DOS and Windows as well). However if you don't have SoftWindows, some of the Mac programs, such as Claris, and possibly Word, have translators that can convert a PC document into a Mac document. >Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you their >project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way > to read their file on a PC? As far as I know, only using a PowerPC running Softwindows. There may be programs on a PC or Mac that convert PC text to Mac-readable text, but I don't know of any. By the way, I love the PowerPC; after being a DOS user before, I like the flexibility of this computer. It will also accept my old HP Laserjet printer, using a Mac program called PowerPrint. Cheers, Annette Lorek________________________________________________ /\ C / \/\ A C Annette Lorek, /__ / \ P O Systems Librarian, |/ \ /\ I L Capilano College, / / \ L L North Vancouver, B.C., Canada / /____\ A E alorek@claude.capcollege.bc.ca -------- | N G Tel: 604-986-1911, Local 2143 | | O E ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:13:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MGHAIL@alex.stkate.edu Subject: hello ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi, I am new to the listserv. I am trying to start indexing at home, but I am brand new. I am in a masters in library sc- ience program at St. Catherine in St.Paul now and work in an a cademic library. Can anyone offer some "real" help. Much app reciated. thanks, mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:14:15 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pat Dwyer-Hallquist (patdh@well.sf.ca.us) asked about converting files from PC to Macintosh formats. I do this often. The best method for me is to send or receive the files in ASCII format. RTF works if the Macintosh client is using Microsoft Word on the Mac, but I don't know about Quark and other programs. When in doubt, send the file in several formats, so the client can choose whichever works. You need to make sure you don't have any turnover lines if you're sending an ASCII file, since every line will have a hard return at the end. Make sure you know whether the client wants spaces or tabs for indents, too. Use generic coding, not word processor codes, for italics and boldface. You shouldn't have any trouble that way! For more information about generic coding, ASCII files, etc., see the ASI publication GENERIC MARKUP OF ELECTRONIC INDEX MANUSCRIPTS, by Hugh Maddocks. Elinor Lindheimer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:17:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JanCW@aol.com Subject: Re: conversion files between ... ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- It's really easy to convert rtf files back and forth from PC to Mac. On my Mac I have a little control panel called PC Exchange. It allows you to put a PC disk into the machine and it will read it without any problems. The second thing that works well is that I run Word 5.0 on the Mac, and Word 6.0 on the PC. I output Cindex files into rtf on the PC, open them in Word, save them as Mac Word onto a PC disk, then just take them over and open them up. No problems either way. I also transport Excel files the same way. This is the simplest way I've found, because you do not have to run conversion programs of any kind. You could also read most anything a client sent you, as long as your word processor can convert the file. Word seems to handle most things, especially if you have them save it as RTF. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:17:35 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a)" Subject: INDEX-L: error report from UUNET.UU.NET Pat, Pacific Micro makes a good program called Mac-In-DOS that allows an IBM PC compatible to read from, write to, and format Macintosh high-density diskettes. I have several Macintosh clients that I consult to and we have used this program with good results. It works somewhat like the Windows file manager. Using this program, you can transfer spreadsheet files, database files, graphics files like TIFF and EPS, Pagemaker files, and many others. You could transfer Mac program files, but they will not run on your IBM PC compatible. It is important that the Mac you receive a diskette from has the Superdrive or high-density drive. The program does not work with the earlier Mac low-density diskettes. Also from experience, many Mac owners try to save money using the IBM formatted 3 1/2" diskettes. They are cheaper that the diskettes specifically formatted for Apple Mac's, but they are not as reliable. You may encounter frequent read errors using the IBM formatted diskettes. There is a DOS and Windows version. The DOS version can be run from Windows in a DOS window. To find out more, contact your local software store or directly to: Pacific Micro 201 San Antonio Circle C250 Mountain View CA 94040 Telephone (415) 948-6200 FAX (415) 948-6296 Chuck Laws (lawsce%jocy2%siamail%msrouter@UUNET.UU.NET) ---------- > My question has to do with >conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files. I understand >that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by a Macintosh if >there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if there isn't a DOS >mounter? Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you >their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way >to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with >programs that convert the files? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:18:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- How about having your relative convert it first? I have a Mac, so I know about Mac-to-IBM conversion. If your relative has something called "Apple File Exchange" (which comes with newer Macs), he or she should be able to convert the file from, say, MS Word to WordPerfect and reformat the disk to IBM format. That last part's important, because unless you have some conversion software at your end, your IBM won't recognize a Mac-formatted disk. Well, perhaps I should just say that without conversion software, my Mac wouldn't recognize IBM-formatted disks. BTW, most cities have computer places that can do all sorts of conversions, for a fee of course. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Live long and prosper. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:19:33 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: W: Invalid RFC822 field - "From smtp Thu Jan 12 17:09 CST 1995 remote from dns". Rest of header flushed. Comments: Resent-From: Charlotte Skuster From: Charlotte Skuster ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Patricia Dwyer-Hallquist wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------- > My question has to do with > conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files.... > Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you > their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way > to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with > programs that convert the files? > Patricia, We use a program that we're very happy with called "Mac-In-Dos." I've lost the documentation, so I can't tell you the company name, but a reputable dealer should be able to help. This program splits the screen in Windows, somewhat like File Manager, with one side representing the Dos/Windows Drive and the other side, the MAC "drive". You can copy files from either format to the other as well as format diskettes in Mac or DOS format. We've never had a problem with any files going either way, i.e., accepting files from a Mac or outputting files to be used on a Mac. I can recommend it highly -- especially since it's so simple you really don't ever need to open the instruction book. * * * * * * * * Marsha Reisser Center for Black Music Research Columbia College Chicago (312)663-1600, x562 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:19:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: STEVEJZOO@delphi.com Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There are several ways to transfer files between MacIntosh and MS/DOS computers. Even without DOS Mounter, MacIntoshes since at least version 6.x have had the capability of copying files to and from MS/DOS disks using Apple File Exchange. Apple File Exchange is part of the sortware shipped with each MacIntosh. Early versions were not notably easy to use, but even a non-Mac type like me figured it out. I've heard that the most recent release of Mac's system 7.5 handles reading and writing of files from MS/DOS disks more or less "transparently". On the MS/DOS side, I use a program called Mac-In-DOS to copy files to and from high density MacIntosh disks. It will also format high density Mac disks. Needless to say, it requires a high density disk drive in order to work. MS/DOS and Windows versions are available. The publisher is Pacific Microelectronics. Press is about $100. The publisher often advertises in InfoWorld and PC Week. Note that this program will not work with double density (800k) MacIntosh disks. Using modems or e-mail is another option for file transfer between Macs and PCs. I'll leave description to another writer. Steve Johnson stevejzoo@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:20:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bc hydro Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Hi - I' relatively new at indexing (completed the USDA Basic Indexing >course last fall). I use Cindex on an IBM compatible computer. I am >not at familiar with Macintosh computers. My question has to do with >conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files. I understand >that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by a Macintosh if >there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if there isn't a DOS >mounter? Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you >their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way >to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with >programs that convert the files? A software supplier suggested a program >called Conversion Plus, but wasn't sure exactly what it would do. >Any help would be appreciated. I have a potential customer (actually a >relative who lives on the other side of the country) who uses a Macintosh. >Thanks for any help anyone can offer. >Pat Dwyer-Hallquist (patdh@well.sf.ca.us) ITS VERY EASY TO CONVERT FILES FROM MAC FORMAT TO DOS FORMAT ON A MAC, AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SEND YOU ORIGINAL MAC FILES, HAVE THEM DO THE CONVERSION AND PUT THEM ON A DOS DISK. I'M NOT AWARE OF A PROCEDURE ON A DOS MACHINE FOR DOING THE CONVERSION. DOS MOUNTER MUST BE INSTALLED OR ALTERNATE CONVERSION SOFTWARE. PROGRAMS LIKE WORD CAN BE CONVERTED TO WORD FOR WINDOWS, OR TO WORDPERFECT,AND OTHER PROGRAMS. GOOD LUCK From Bill Fernihough, ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:20:42 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: RachelR@aol.com Subject: Re: conversion files between IBM-PC and Macintosh types ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pat, I'm a Mac-ist and new indexer. I know that Macs can open any DOS or Windows text file. Any Mac running system 7.0 or later comes with RTF conversion files, so anyone should be able to read your files from a 3.5" floppy unless their equipment and operating system is ancient (2+ years old) ;-) . Also, you can save your file as an ASCII file, and then anyone should be able to read it with any word processor on any platform. I have never used an ASCII file, so I don't know what happens to formatting when you save as ASCII. Maybe you have to code it. I'm sure someone out there knows. Maybe Cindex itself knows what to do. Good luck, Rachel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 15:13:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chuck Laws Organization: Siemens Industrial Automation ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > My question has to do with >conversion between IBM-PC type files and Macintosh files. I understand >that the RTF file type put out by Cindex can be read by a Macintosh if >there is a DOS mounter on the Macintosh. What if there isn't a DOS >mounter? Also, what if a customer with a Macintosh wants to send you >their project on a disk instead of a printed manuscript? Any easy way >to read their file on a PC? Does anyone have any experience with >programs that convert the files? Pat, Pacific Micro makes a good program called Mac-In-DOS that allows an IBM PC compatible to read from, write to, and format Macintosh high-density diskettes. I have several Macintosh clients that I consult to and we have used this program with good results. It works somewhat like the Windows file manager. Using this program, you can transfer spreadsheet files, database files, graphics files like TIFF and EPS, Pagemaker files, and many others. You could transfer Mac program files, but they will not run on your IBM PC compatible. It is important that the Mac you receive a diskette from has the Superdrive or high-density drive. The program does not work with the earlier Mac low-density diskettes. Also from experience, many Mac owners try to save money using the IBM formatted 3 1/2" diskettes. They are cheaper that the diskettes specifically formatted for Apple Mac's, but they are not as reliable. You may encounter frequent read errors using the IBM formatted diskettes. There is a DOS and Windows version. The DOS version can be run from Windows in a DOS window. To find out more, contact your local software store or directly to: Pacific Micro 201 San Antonio Circle C250 Mountain View CA 94040 Telephone (415) 948-6200 FAX (415) 948-6296 Chuck Laws (lawsce%jocy2%siamail%msrouter@UUNET.UU.NET) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 15:13:27 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: FAQ--no changes since last ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- INDEX-L FAQ Contents: 1. Index-l procedures 2. Archives 3. Books on indexing 4. What has been written about automatic indexing? 5. What software do indexers use? 6. Courses or training for indexers (outside of library schools)? 7. Professional societies/organizations for indexers? 8. Network connections 9. Winners of the ASI/H.W. Wilson Company Award for Indexing 1. INDEX-L PROCEDURES There are three addresses you need to use for interaction with index-l: To take part in a discussion or send a message to the list (a.k.a. group or subscribers), address your e-mail to Index- l@bingvmb.bitnet or index-l@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu To send a message directly to the moderator (a.k.a. Charlotte), address your e-mail to Skuster@bingvmb.bitnet or Skuster@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu To send a command to the listserv, address your e-mail to listserv@bingvmb.bitnet or listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu. As subscribers, you are able to send commands to the listserv to see the archives, see a list of subscribers, stop your mail for a while, or a number of other options. To get a list of listserv commands and what they do, send the following message to the listserv: INFO REFCARD Do not sign your name or put anything else in the message. 2. ARCHIVES There are two ways to look at the archives: ---Received directly from the listserv@bingvmb Send the following message to the listserv: index index-l. You will receive a list of available archives--monthly, for those prior to June 1994 and weekly thereafter. When you decide what you would like to see, send the following message to the listserv: get log9406B (for the second week in June, for example) ---On the library gopher at Georgia Southern University: Messages are stored here from the start of the listserv in 1992 through July 1994. A WAIS searching program is available to searchthrough all years at once or through a selected year. The GSU gopher is located through a gopher client at informer.cc.gasou.edu or by telnet to gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, login info. When you reach the gopher take this directory path: /Georgia Southern University/Henderson Library/Assistance to Professional.../Index-L 3. BOOKS ON INDEXING? Bonura, L. The Art of Indexing. Wiley, 1994 Knight, G. N. Indexing, The Art Of. Allen & Unwin, 1979. Lancaster, F. W. Indexing and Abstracting in Theory and Practice. U of Illinois Press, 1991. Lancaster, F. W. Vocabulary Control for Information Retrieval, 2nd ed. Information resources Press, 1986 Mulvany, Nancy C. Indexing Books, University of Chicago Press, 1994. Wellisch, H. Indexing and Abstracting, an International Bibliography ABC-Clio, 1980. Wellisch, H. Indexing from A to Z. H. W. Wilson, 1991. 4. WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT AUTOMATIC INDEXING? Books: Grefenstette, G. Explorations in Automatic Thesaurus Discovery, Kluwer, 1994 Salton and McGill Introduction to Modern Information Retrieval Salton, Automatic Text Processing Van Rijsbergen Information Retrieval Jones, Karen Spark Information Retrieval Experiment Papers: Bell, C. and Jones, K. "Back-of-the-book Indexing: A Case for the Application of Artificial Intelligence", Informatics 5, ASLIB Pub., pp. 155-161, 1979 Bennion, B. "Performance Testing of a Book and its Index as an Information Retrieval System", JASIS, pp. 265-270, July 1970 Borko, H. "Experiments in Book Indexing by Computer" Information Storage and Retrieval, 6:5)16, 1970 Dillon, M. and McDonald, J. "Fully Automatic Book Indexing" Journal of Documentation 39(1):135-154, 1983 Dion, M. Thesaurus-Based Automatic Book Indexing", Information Processing and Management, 81(4):167-178, 1982 Salton, G. "Syntactic Approaches to Automatic Book Indexing", Proceedings of the 26th ACL, pp. 204-210, 1988 5. WHAT SOFTWARE DO INDEXERS USE? (All of these are for DOS machines...no Macs) IN>SORT Kensa Software P.O. Box 4415 Northbrook, IL 60065 (708) 559-0297 Macrex Bayside Indexing Service P.O. Box 3051 Daly City, CA 95015-0051 (415) 756-0821 FAX: (415) 757-1567 Cindex Indexing Research Box 18609 Rochester, New (716) 461-5530 FAX: (716) 442-3924 6. COURSES OR TRAINING FOR INDEXERS (OUTSIDE OF LIBRARY SCHOOLS)? Graduate School of the USDA Correspondence Programs, Ag Box 9911 Room 1114, South Agriculture Building 14th St. and Independence Ave. SW Washington, DC 20250 (202) 720-7123 TDD: (202) 690-1516 Tuition: (includes all materials) $281,00--Basic Indexing (beginning) $275.00--Applied Indexing (more advanced) 7. PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES/ORGANIZATIONS FOR INDEXERS? (this question was not actually asked..but here's the answer anyway) American Society of Indexers (ASI) P.O. Box 386 Port Aransas TX 78373 (512) 749-4052 FAX: (512) 749-6334 E-Mail: asi@well.sf.ca.us Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada Box 744 Station F Toronto Ontario Canada M4Y 2N6 National Federation of Abstracting and Information Services (NFAIS) 1518 Walnut Street Suite 307 Philadelphia PA 19102-3403 (215) 893-1561 FAX: (215) 893-1564 E-MAIL: nfais@hslc.org Society of Indexers (SI) 16 Green Road Birchington, England CT79JZ Australian Society of Indexers (AusSI) GPO Box 1251L, Melbourne Victoria 3001, Australia 8. NETWORK CONNECTIONS America Online (800) 227-6364 CompuServe (800) 848-8199 Delphi (800) 495-4005 GEnie (800) 638-9636 The Well (415) 332-4335 Real/Time Communications (512) 459-4391 See also. Maren, M. "The Age of E-Mail. Home Office Computing, December, 1993, 63-70. Tetzeli, R. "Is Going On-line Worth the Money?" FORTUNE 129(12):104-105, 108. June 13, 1994. 9. WINNERS OF THE ASI/H.W. WILSON COMPANY AWARD FOR INDEXING 1979--Hans H. Wellisch, author and indexer; John Wiley, publisher: The Conversion of Scripts: Its Nature, History and Utilization 1980--Linda I. Solow, indexer; M.I.T. Press, publisher: Beyond Orpheus:Studies in Musical Structures. 1981--Delight Ansley, indexer; Random House Publisher: Cosmos by Carl Sagan, 1982--Catherine Fix, indexer; Wm. Saunders Company, publisher: Diagnosis of Bone and Joint Disorders. 1983--Award not given. 1984--Trish Yancey, indexer; Information Handling Services, publisher: Index and Directory of U.S. Industry Standards 1985--Sydney W. Cohen, indexer; Random House, publisher: The Experts Speak by Cerf and Navasky. 1986--Marjorie Hyslop, indexer; American Society for Metals, publisher: Metals Handbook. 1987--Award not given. 1988--Jeanne Moody, indexer; National Wildlife Institute, publisher: Raptor Management Techniques. 1989--Philip James, indexer; Butterworths, publisher: Medicine for the Practicing Physician, 2nd ed.. 1990--Marcia Carlson, indexer; Cornell University Press, publisher: Strategic Nuclear Arms & Arms Control Debates. 1991--Daniels, Nancy L., indexer; Van Nostrand Reinhold, publisher:Beyond Public Architecture: Strategies for Design Evaluation. 1992--Johnson, Rachel Jo., indexer; Matthew Bender, publisher: American Law of Real Property. 1993--Award not given. 1994--Deminna, Patricia, indexer; U. of California, publisher: Carnal Israel: Reading Sex in Talmudic Culture by Daniel Boyarin