========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:06:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: CINDEX info In-Reply-To: <9502282322.AA07049@core.symnet.net> [Note from the moderator: Thanks also to Dorothy Berthiaume, Cynthia Bertelsen, Pat Dwyer-Hallquist, and Richard Evans for sending responses to this question.] For Mary Jane Northrop (and anybody else who's interested): The CINDEX demonstration pack costs $30. The cost of the demonstration program may be applied toward purchase of the full version. Indexing Research 100 Allens Creek Road Rochester, NY 14618 phone: 716-461-5530 fax: 716-442-3924 I use Macrex, which also has a demo version. You can contact Macrex at Bayside Indexing Service P.O. Box 3051 Daly City, CA 94015-0051 e-mail: Macrex@aol.com phone: 415-756-0821 fax: 415-757-1567 Hope this helps. Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@symnet.net) "We must view with profound respect the infinite capacity of the human mind to resist the introduction of useful knowledge."--Thomas Lounsbury ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:10:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Daveream@aol.com Subject: Cindex comments in Macrex review ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The letter below will be printed in upcoming (anticpated for March 13) issue of the Seybold Report on Publishing Systems. To: The Comments from Our Readers Column Seybold Report on Publishing Systems Thank you for your recent articles describing the tools available for preparing indexes using PCs (Cindex in the Dec. 12, 1994 issue and Macrex in the February 13, 1995 issue). As noted in these articles both programs have many options and features making them complex to review and compare. However, we would like to point out some inaccuracies that occurred in the (Feb. 13) article on Macrex in which some comparisons to Cindex were made. It was stated on page 19 that Cindex cannot display entries in page order. In fact, Cindex can display entries in creation order, alphabetically, in page or citation order and other user prescribed orders via the SORT command. On pages 20 and 21, mention was made of Macrex utilities. Functions analogous to the ones they perform are an intrinsic part of Cindex program. The statement that separate utilities must be purchased from Leverage Technologies to perform similar functions or to produce indexes is not factual. Cindex is a complete index preparation system with no other software required. The companion utilities offered by Leverage Technologies are production enhancements tools not required products. Lastly, on page 21 there was a mention of the price difference between the two products. It should be noted that $625 edition of Cindex is network-aware, including tracking of the user changing the entries, and providing time and date stamping of the records. Additionally, Cindex includes a spell checking facility. These features have made Cindex the foremost choice of commercial publishers requiring an index preparation system. A freelancer edition, limited to fewer records, is available for $495. David K. Ream Frances S. Lennie Leverage Technologies, Inc. Indexing Research 9519 Greystone Parkway 100 Allens Creek Road Cleveland, OH 44141 Rochester, NY 14618 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:11:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: late index jobs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- You wrote: > >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Hi people, > >I have a question about indexing jobs that arrive late. Because I agreed >to take on this job a couple of months in advance, I had to turn away quite >a few jobs which would have interfered. >Can anyone advise me? I can't say as I recommend this approach, but my practice is to never turn down anything. In two years I've found that most schedules slip, so if I accept two for the same period one invariably moves. I know this is risky and eventually I may get burned, but I'd go broke turning down future contracts becasue of apparent conflicts. Richard Evans ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:11:57 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <9503010501.AA11412@core.symnet.net> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- It's so rare for me to actually receive a project when it's supposed to show up, that I almost don't know what to do when one shows up on time! I know how you feel about late projects. Case in point: An author and I had discussed my indexing of his book. It was a book I *really* wanted to work on. The pages were to arrive from the publisher in early December. They didn't. The author and I stayed in touch. He was as much in the dark about the press's problems as I was. Finally, the pages showed up about a week ago. Since I'd already taken on several other projects in the interim, I had to say no to a project I very much wanted. I tell authors and presses that, if a project falls way behind schedule, I may no longer be able to take it on. Sometimes, presses have paid me to keep my schedule open, but this is a rare happening. I'd suggest adding the caveat to your initial discussion with a publisher or author: "Yes, I'll put you in my schedule for ____. But please keep me posted if the arrival date of the project starts to slip. If it slips too far, I won't be able to take it." You might want to add this to a contract, also. Come up with a time frame, if you can. How about thirty days behind schedule? I've experienced the not-taking-on-other-projects-because-I'm-waiting-for-another-project scenario a number of times. It's very frustrating. I now try to protect myself. Hope this helps some. Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@symnet.net) "We must view with profound respect the infinite capacity of the human mind to resist the introduction of useful knowledge."--Thomas Lounsbury ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:16:55 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Spenceindx@aol.com Subject: Re: late index jobs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Welcome to indexing. Nothing in publishing is ever fixed and ingeneral, every indexer I know is always working around publishers slipping schedules. Very early on in my career as an indexer, a good friend of mine gave me what was to be an invaluable piece of advice: book about one and a half times as much work as you can handle, because some of it is bound to slip. This is also why indexers tend to get stressed out: they overbook and then none of it slips and they have to do it all simultaneously, or else jobs slip and crash into one another, but they still have to be done. Also, a lawyer friend just told me, verbal agreements stand as verbal contracts in court, valid for two years. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:24:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <199503010509.AAA13322@ruby.ora.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Concerning jobs that are late or canceled, the Freelance Editorial Association has the following "advice" in its Code of Fair Practice (all typographical errors are mine): "*Cancellation Feed and Late Fees*. Because freelancers reserve time for projects and depend on clients' schedules, it is necessary for contracts to protect the freelancer's working time. The contract between freelancer and client therefore specifies continugencies that will require a cancellation fee or a late fee. "If a project is canceled before scheduled delivery to the freelancer, at least two weeks' notice allows a reasonable amount of time for the freelancer to obtain other work. Less than two weeks' notice requires a cancellation fee equal to two weeks' time. For example, if the freelancer has reserved fifteen hours per week for the project, the cancellation fee would equal thirty hours at the freelancers' hourly rate or the proportion of the project fee corresponding to thirty hours' work. When a project is canceled in progress, the cancellation fee is added to the freelancer's final invoice, in addition to payment for the time worked. "If a client delivers the material for a project late, then the client compensates the freelancer for the resultant unused reserved time at either (a) 20 to 50 percent of the contracted hourly rate or (b) 20 to 50 percent of the effective hourly rate, if the contract calld for a project fee. If the project is canceled by default--in other words, is so late that the freelancer must forgo it to move on to another scheduled project--then a two-week cancellation fee is appropriate...." "The freelancer might also cancel the project. Changes in the scope of work required in the project's schedule might make completing the project impossible for the freelancer...." "*Reservation fees*. Another way to deal with the possibility that a project will be delivered late or will be canceled is to negotiate a resevration fee, essentially an advance to resevre the freelancer's time. A freelancer who agrees to set aside a lengthy period for a long-term project or who commits to a project well in advance may require partial prepayment. If the client delivers the project materials on time, the freelancer then deducts the reservation fee from the first invoice. If the client delivers the project late, the reservation fee can be applied to a late fee. If the client cancels the project, the reservation fee can be applied to the charge for the time spent working on the project...." The Code of Fair Practice (in its entirety, of course) is available for purchase from the Freelance Editorial Association. The association's phone number is (617) 643-8626; there is no email address. And Julie, good luck with whatever actions, if any, you take. - Seth Maislin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:31:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KatNagel@aol.com Subject: Re: BasisPlus (was Re: Library thesauri) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Peter W Meyer wrote: >The software application BasisPlus from Information Dimensions supports >multiple hierarchical thesauri for its library and document management >functions. There is obvious support for the concept. I'm not familiar with this application. Looked for it (and the publisher) in two software catalogs and couldn't find either one. Is it available for the Macintosh? Do you have an address for the publisher? I'd like to contact them for more information (and a demo, if possible). Thanks, @Kat katnagel@aol.com ===================================================== LIFE 1: MasterWork (technical writing/document design) LIFE 2: Playn Song, et al. (vocal chamber music) ================LIFE 1 pays for LIFE 2================ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:26:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Engleman Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <9503010511.AA290874@email.unc.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Late index jobs are fairly common. Some questions to ask are: to what extent are there circumstances beyond anyone's control (e.g. hurricanes in the typesetter's backyard), bad communication, or outright bad faith? The last is pretty rare, and those folks can be written off your list, but mostly we just have to put up with the other two, making sure that our own communications are clear. ASI recommends that indexers use contracts. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has had experience in enforcing one. Roberta Engleman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:27:10 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <9503011915.AA10268@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- As a moonlighting freelancer with a full-time day job, I try not to over-book; but slippage can create a real disaster when one only has 20 or so hours a week (okay; 40 in a worse-case scenario when opting for intravenous caffeine infusions to stay awake!) available for indexing. I schedule projects back-to-back using a realistic estimate for the time required (e.g., 200 pgs/wk) and turn them down only when it's obvious that the schedules conflict (e.g., two indexes due the same day.). But I do warn clients that I'm on a tight schedule, and that if delivery of proofs slips, the client who meets the original delivery schedule has priority. There is usually enough flexibility built into my time estimates that I can meet all commitments without loosing TOO much sleep. In three years I've only been burned once by turning down jobs for a "slipping" project that never arrived; but I have ended up working 6 weeks without a break to meet all the commitments accepted because I assumed something WAS going to slip! ASI's recommended indexing contract (available on disk) has a nice escape clause covering penalties for late delivery of page proofs. I've never invoked it; but I think having it in the contract makes it clear (especially to authors or small presses who aren't accustomed to dealing with freelancers on a regular basis) that delivery dates are important and an economic concern on both sides of the equation. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:06:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joanna Sheldon ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi all -- I've just been asked to index a 245-page hardware design guide (written in FrameMaker), and since I'm a contractor I have to come up with a reasonable estimate. Does anyone have a standard way of determining what that oughta be? Thanks in advance for any help. ...JS Joanna Sheldon Technical Writer, Translator (French, German, Italian) cjs10@cornell.edu "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy." -- Max Weinreich ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:07:21 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bob Krovetz Subject: indexing/sci-fi ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Mr. Hall asked me to forward the following reply to my message: Bob (and virtual lurkers): The story is: "MS FND IN A LBRY" by Hal Draper, Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction Dec. 1961. Reprinted in Library Journal at least once. There are a couple of survey articles on books and libraries in SF stories, Which I can dig up if anyone cares enough to ask. [I asked, and he is going to dig them up - Bob] --Hal ______________________________________________________________________ HAL W. HALL PHONE: 409-845-2316 HEAD, SPECIAL FORMATS DIVISION FAX: 409-845-6238 Sterling C. Evans Library E-Mail: Hal-Hall@TAMU.EDU Texas A&M University College Station TX 77843-5000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:07:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Efthimis N. Efthimiadis" Subject: KUHLTHAU delivers UCLA ISI LAZEROW Lecture ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- UCLA 1994 ISI LAZEROW LECTURE SERIES The Department of Library & Information Science, GSE&IS, UCLA cordially invites you to attend the 1994 ISI LAZEROW Lecture delivered by: Professor CAROL C. KUHLTHAU School of Communication, Information and Library Studies Rutgers University Title: An Uncertainty Principle for Information Seeking Date: Tuesday March 7, 1995 Time: 12:30-2:00pm Rm: 111 GSE&IS Bldg Parking: UCLA Parking available at $5.00 Title: An Uncertainty Principle for Information Seeking Abstract: Library and information services are in a critical period of redefinition and change. Increased access to vast amounts of information require services that center on seeking meaning rather than merely locating sources. Results from a series of studies of the user's perspective of information seeking are articulated in a six-stage model of the information search process. There is a conflict between the information system's traditional pattern of information provision based on certainty and order and the user's uncertainty and confusion in the process of information seeking. An uncertainty principle is proposed as a theoretical framework for redefining library and information services. The concept of a zone of intervention is introduced for diagnosing user's problems to be accommodated in five levels of mediation. Carol C. Kuhlthau Associate Professor School of Communication, Information and Library Studies Rutgers University Author, researcher, and presenter on information seeking and information literacy. Latest book: Seeking Meaning: A Process Approach to Library and Information Studies, Ablex, 1993. Jesse H. Shera Award for Outstanding Research Paper Current Chair of the Library Research Round Table of the American Library Association ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:07:56 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jack Shaw Subject: Re: late index jobs, good faith, et al ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I can't say it's legally enforceable, but if you've got a pending job you expect to be at your desk by a particular time, maybe a "memo of understanding" confirming the pending job, size, due-to-you date, etc., would be in order. Like I said, legally it probably isn't worth a hill of beans. But if you put someone's nose on the agreement in writing, it can possibly help keep things on track. Of course, such written "understandings" have two edges-- you commit to a date, too, somewhere in there. But a lot of "if's", "but's", and "maybe's" can be cleared up with a politely worded "...as we agreed in our conversation of the 33rd of last month, Mr. Furburschlinger, I understand that you will provide me ..." , etc. No guarantees...experience with a given customer is the tie-breaker, like always. Yours, J. Shaw jsh@software-ag.de Happenstance indexer, senior grade ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:08:21 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: Aust Society of Indexers Int'l Conference Mar-Apr 95 Web page ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have put some Web pages up on my home page to describe the conference. Please look at it on: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker/auscon2.htm There is a brief summary of the topics and speakers who will be there. You'll also find out where Marysville is! Hope you can make it. If not I may be able to post some snippets of the proceedings after the conference is over - even some digitized photos of the participants! I'll see how I go. Bye Dwight ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:08:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dick Vacca Subject: Re: BasisPlus (was Re: Library thesauri) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Peter W Meyer wrote: >>The software application BasisPlus from Information Dimensions supports >>multiple hierarchical thesauri for its library and document management >>functions. There is obvious support for the concept. > >I'm not familiar with this application. Looked for it (and the publisher) in >two software catalogs and couldn't find either one. Is it available for the >Macintosh? Do you have an address for the publisher? I'd like to contact >them for more information (and a demo, if possible). > >Thanks, >@Kat >katnagel@aol.com BasisPlus is not something you're likely to find in a software catalog; it's a "client/server relational database system for text and mixed object documents, used primarily for document management and intelligent search/text retrieval. The Thesaurus Manager Peter refers to supports synonym identification, concept hierarchies, clarificcation of ambiguous terms, term switching, user defined word relationships, and simultaneous management of multiple thesauri. Powerful stuff. Don't know if they support Mac clients. I doubt you could get started with BasisPlus for less than $40K, you supply the programmers. This ain't off the shelf stuff. You can call IDI at 614-761-8083. --Dick 608-246-0219 (at The Monona Group) 608-246-0831 (fax) mononagrp@aol.com 608-262-4341 (at Univ of Wisconsin Engineering Professional Development) 608-263-3160 (fax) rpvacca@facstaff.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:36:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Matthew Pressly H3-289 Subject: Software for Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I'd be interested in hearing about names, prices, features, number of entry capacity, efficiency of use, etc. of lower cost dedicated indexing software. I have located a copy of INDEXX (a $99 shareware program), but would be interested in hearing about any others. One of the archives messages from this group had a reference to Norton Index. I'd also greatly appreciate additional info on it. There has been some very helpful discussion of the features of CINDEX and MACREX, but these are a little out of my price range, as the indexing that I am currently involved in is volunteer work. You can email me directly or send to the group if you think there's enough interest. I'll compile and post a summary afterwards. Thank You, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Pressly ...uunet!motsps!oakhill.sps.mot.com!mattp mattp@oakhill.sps.mot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:36:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Spenceindx@aol.com Subject: Re: Hardware design guide ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The base rate for technical manuals these days is about $3.00 per page. But depending on the complexity of the material, rates can go up to $5.00 per page or more. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:36:04 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Etheridge Subject: Re: late index jobs In-Reply-To: <199503011929.OAA27267@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ern/mail/postponed-mail/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 Spenceindx@aol.com wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Welcome to indexing. > > (material deleted) > > Also, a lawyer friend just told me, verbal agreements stand as verbal > contracts in court, valid for two years. > I don't know what state the writer is from, but Florida, like many states, has adopted the old English Statute of Frauds, which requires that contracts extending for more than a year be in writing. And as my husband is fond of saying, verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they are printed on! Verbal agreements may be legally enforcible but the terms are frequently difficult, if not impossible, to prove. Nancy Etheridge ethern@freenet.tlh.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:36:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peter W Meyer Subject: Re: KUHLTHAU delivers UCLA ISI LAZEROW Lecture ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Efthimis N. Efthimiadis wrote: >The Department of Library & Information Science, GSE&IS, UCLA >cordially invites you to attend the 1994 ISI LAZEROW Lecture >delivered by: > > Professor CAROL C. KUHLTHAU > School of Communication, Information and Library Studies > Rutgers University > >Title: > An Uncertainty Principle for Information Seeking Regetably, UCLA is a little far me to go for this lecture although I would love to attend. Will it be possible to obtain a copy of the paper presented by Professor Kuhlthau? I would happily pay. Peter Meyer ______________________________________________________________________ Peter W Meyer pmeyer@magna.com.au Desktop Law Pty Limited Mobile: 61 18 245 128 10 Frances Street, Lindfield, NSW 2070 Fax: 61 2 416 9995 Australia ______________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:36:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: pbmungan@lanl.gov Subject: Question: 1995 Computer Science Hierarchical Thesaurus / Subject Index / Dictionary ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Question: I am looking for a recommendation on a hierarchical thesaurus, subject index classification, or dictionary on the subject area of computer science and computing terms? The purpose is for managing some documents in this topic area. I have looked up Books In Print as well as talked to some librarians but apparently the most recent editions out there are 1993 editions and older. I need to look up CURRENT WORDS in the computer/computing area and as you know this area is one of the most dynamic one in having words added to its vocabulary. Please respond personally to me and I shall work on compiling the answers to my question and make the list of answers available to list serve subscribers when the list is ready. Thanks in advance. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:41:04 ECT Reply-To: jjones@uiuc.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joel Jones Subject: Re: Question: 1995 Computer Science Hierarchical Thesaurus / Subject In-Reply-To: <199503031841.AA33519@mailbag.cen.uiuc.edu> from "pbmungan@lanl.gov" at Mar 3, 95 01:36:39 pm ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > I am looking for a recommendation on a hierarchical thesaurus, subject index > classification, or dictionary on the subject area of computer science and > computing > terms? The purpose is for managing some documents in this topic area. I know you are interested in really, really current stuff, but have you looked at ACM's Guide to Computing literature? The one for 1993-94 has just come out. Also, I have their most recent hierarchical subject classification online at: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/signet/JHSI/cr.html Joel Jones jjones@uiuc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:41:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: late index jobs, good faith, et al ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > >I can't say it's legally enforceable, but if you've got >a pending job you expect to be at your desk by a particular >time, maybe a "memo of understanding" confirming the pending >job, size, due-to-you date, etc., would be in order. And why not include a penalty if the page proofs arrive more than a week late, with an option for you to decline the job if they haven't arrived by a certain date (and a kill fee). Certainly I would do that with any client I'd had any sort of trouble with. Legally, there's probably nothing you can do about clients' past "sins," but it couldn't hurt to go back the client, even though you had no written agreement about it, and suggest that they compensate you partially for that loss. The worst they can say is no. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:41:56 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: Hardware design guide In-Reply-To: <199503030339.WAA24202@ruby.ora.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 Spenceindx@aol.com wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > The base rate for technical manuals these days is about $3.00 per page. But > depending on the complexity of the material, rates can go up to $5.00 per > page or more. This is only true to a point. Most indexes would be considered rush jobs, especially those for longer books. Three dollars per page is definitely a base rate for a normal schedule; five dollars per page (maybe $4.50 per page) is a base rate for the more common rush schedule. It is not unfair to ask for as much as $6.50 per page for a high-level, two-week 500-page job. Under even more extreme circumstances, I can honestly say that $10/page is justifiable -- although I have never had the pleasure (or nightmare) of that project. If $3/hr is the base rate, then I would also take into consideration timing, my background field (e.g., computer science), my indexing education (e.g., indexer for six years), equipment (e.g., computerized vs. index cards), and so on--like who's paying for postage and phone calls, does the indexer need to talk to the author(s), does the indexer receive the book at one time or in pieces, the possibility that pagination changes during the indexing project, format desired by the typesetter/compositor, will the book most likely arrive late and/or imcomplete, and so on. As we know, computer manuals, chemistry textbooks, and history compilations are only as good as their indexes -- because anyone who doesn't decide to read the book from cover to cover will use it extensively. Publishers know this -- or at least I expect them to -- and must therefore take into consideration a serious investment in getting a professional, effective, user-freindly, complete, educated, on-time index. As an indexer, I know that I would make the investment were I in the project manager's shoes. Seth Maislin seth@ora.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:42:09 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noam Kaminer Subject: Re: KUHLTHAU delivers UCLA ISI LAZEROW Lecture In-Reply-To: <9503031834.AB12870@info.Berkeley.EDU> from "Peter W Meyer" at Mar 3, 95 01:36:16 pm ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >look @ Journal of Documentation V.49 No.4 "A principle of uncertainty...." Noam Kaminer > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Efthimis N. Efthimiadis wrote: > > >The Department of Library & Information Science, GSE&IS, UCLA > >cordially invites you to attend the 1994 ISI LAZEROW Lecture > >delivered by: > > > > Professor CAROL C. KUHLTHAU > > School of Communication, Information and Library Studies > > Rutgers University > > > >Title: > > An Uncertainty Principle for Information Seeking > > Regetably, UCLA is a little far me to go for this lecture although I would >Noam Kaminer love to attend. > > Will it be possible to obtain a copy of the paper presented by Professor > Kuhlthau? I would happily pay. > > Peter Meyer > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Peter W Meyer pmeyer@magna.com.au > Desktop Law Pty Limited Mobile: 61 18 245 128 > 10 Frances Street, Lindfield, NSW 2070 Fax: 61 2 416 9995 > Australia > ______________________________________________________________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:42:23 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Hardware design guide ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- You wrote: > >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >The base rate for technical manuals these days is about $3.00 per page. But >depending on the complexity of the material, rates can go up to $5.00 per >page or more. > > Indexing in FrameMaker is a form of embedded indexing, which is more difficult and time-consuming than using dedicated indexing software. Therefore, I suggest a $5/page minimum depending on the complexity of the material. Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:36:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Steve Reitci Subject: Linchpin Indexing Software ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There's a new indexing software package available that I thought everyone would like to know about. It's called Linchpin, and I guess it's most distinguishing feature is that you can make an index into an electronic document that will run on almosy any computer. If anyone wants information on this, send me a message and I'll forward the pricing information and how to get a free copy of a demo for the program. (It's a working demo, not a slide-show). -- Steve Reitci sanborn@execpc.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:39:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: late index jobs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I have contracted with a university press (which shall remain unnamed!) for >a job which was to arrive in mid February. I have heard from the editor >several times, and now expect it to arrive in mid March. Because I agreed >to take on this job a couple of months in advance, I had to turn away quite >a few jobs which would have interfered. >Can anyone advise me? I have experienced delays in the past (I have been >indexing for university presses for over 4 years), but none has impacted me >financially quite as dramatically as this one is. I suppose I need >information on contracts, and how one should handle this type of situation. > I don't normally work to written contracts, but when I quote the length and cost of an indexing job, I always add the caveat "...provided that a full set of final page proofs are supplied at the agreed time...". Then if the proofs are late I feel free to a) increase my quote or b) delay the job so I can carry out prior commitments to other people. Clients who expect you to dance attendance on them are not being fair to you or to your other clients who may be bending over backwards to get stuff to you on time. The good guys shouldn't be penalised for other people's slackness. Having said that, if there are genuine unforeseen difficulties I try to be a little sympathetic, because that's what I'd expect from others. Jonathan. Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW (047) 398-199 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:40:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: late index jobs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >ASI's recommended indexing contract (available on disk) has a nice escape >clause covering penalties for late delivery of page proofs. >Carolyn Weaver >Bellevue, Wa. >e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu >voice: 206/930-4348 Could somebody possibly make that contract available for downloading via ftp? Thanks Jonathan. Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW (047) 398-199 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:40:20 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Software for Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >There has been some very helpful discussion of the features of CINDEX and >MACREX, but these are a little out of my price range, as the indexing that >I am currently involved in is volunteer work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Matthew Pressly >...uunet!motsps!oakhill.sps.mot.com!mattp >mattp@oakhill.sps.mot.com How much do you value your time? If you plan to spend 100+ hours indexing per year, then using (and getting to know) a fully-featured indexing program could eventually save you at least 50 hours per annum. If you value your time at $12 or more an hour then Macrex or Cindex will pay for themselves in saved time within a year. But of course it also depends on the type of output you are being called on for. Jonathan Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW (047) 398-199 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:15:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JCPO@aol.com Subject: Re: 1995 computer science thesaurus ... ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On 3/6 Joel Jones wrote: >>...have you looked at ACM's Guide to Computing literature? >> The one for 1993-94 has just come out. >> Also, I have their most recent hierarchical subject >> classification online at: >> http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/signet/JHSI/cr.html Joel, is that subject classification available as a text file to those of us who don't have WWW connections? By ftp, perhaps? John Chapot San Francisco "Chaucer's compatriots enunciated every letter when saying the word 'knight'. Try it." - L.M. Boyd ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Brendan Lyons Subject: Query ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am indexing a book (literary criticism) which contains a large number of quotations from other critical works, all numbered and listed in biographical notes at the end of each chapter. I have a dilemma. In some instances the quote is given in the text but not the author (this would be given in the notes), and in other instances the author *is* mentioned in the text. Should both authors be indexed, or just the one that is named in the text, or, indeed, neither? Thanks Brendan Red Barn Publishing Skeagh * Skibbereen * Co. Cork * Ireland Tel & Fax 353 28 38259