From: SMTP%"@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LISTSERV@BINGVMB.BITNET" 15-JAN-1995 19:55:32.94 To: SOLIBJA CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9411C" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 19:53:38 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9411C" To: Julius Ariail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:02:04 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonjour a Tous Subject: money question... ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello members of the indexing list... I'm a library student who is taking an indexing class right now and finding it very interesting. I was describing the class to my mom the other day and she mentioned that a client of hers is publishing a book (on a sociological subject) and may need an index for it. I asked her to give him my name/number but now I realize that, although I will have a small amount of hands-on experience by the time this project would start, I have _no_ idea how to handle the business aspects of freelance indexing jobs. Put simply: when he calls and says "How much do you charge", WHAT DO I SAY??? Do I charge by the hour? Do I charge by the page count of the book, the amount or depth of the index, or just put out a flat fee based on his deadline? What if he asks me to get together a contract of some sort? I'm not saying that I want to disguise the fact that I have no professional experience--I will be up front about that--but I don't want to seem unprofessional to the point of cluelessness or unreliability. (And if I do charge by the hour, my mom forbids me to charge him more than $15/ hour because that's what _she_ charged him to transcribe his interviews! Pride thing. You know. (!)) Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me! //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Jennifer Friedman School of Library and Information Studies 415 W. Gilman #508 Helen C. White Hall, UW-Madison campus Madison, WI 53703 Internet: jfriedmn@macc.wisc.edu (608) 251-8917 Bitnet: jfriedmn@wiscmacc \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:02:45 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joan Jensen Subject: Re: Technical Communication courses on indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Jeremy, In your last sentence you summed up the need to learn theory. You did not learn the task yourself without any theory -- your mentor supplied that for you (perhaps by osmosis, not directly). Had you taught yourself without ANY mentor, then you could say that theory was not necessary. Had you not had a mentor you would have needed the theory to know what should be done, why, and the best ways of how to do it. Joan >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Quoting Hazel Blumberg-McKee: > >>I guess I don't really understand how theory can make one a better >>indexer.... I've been self-employed as an editor, indexer, >>proofreader, researcher, and technical writer. I learned all these >>things by doing. ... > >>Again, I learned to teach by doing and by having some excellent mentors. > >As a matter of interest, how many indexers have had mentors (excellent or >otherwise)? I know that without my mentor it's most unlikely I ever would >have got off the ground at all. =================================================================== Joan D Jensen [jdj@info.anu.edu.au] [06 2492994] Menzies Library Australian National University Canberra ACT 0200 Australia Be practical! Plan for a miracle every day. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:03:37 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Dartnall Subject: Theory v Practice was Re: Technical Communication courses on indexing In-Reply-To: <199411161506.AA08272@jculib.jcu.edu.au> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The writers on this topic have stressed that their comments are personal ones and I think this is the essence of the debate. Every educational text will tell you nowadays that there are different types of learners, particularly adult learners and most of us learn indexing as a second, third or later skill. The way you prefer to learn depends on all sorts of things including your personality type and whether you learn best by hands on practice or want a theoretical framework to hang things on is an individual matter. The test for an educational system is providing a wide enough range of ways of learning to suit every type. To answer the question from Jonathan Jermey, I didn't have a mentor when I was learning indexing, but I wish I had. Jean Jean Dartnall Information Services Librarian James Cook University of North Queensland Townsville Queensland Jean.Dartnall@jcu.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:04:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Henderson Subject: Re: Technical Communication courses on indexing In-Reply-To: <199411161610.AA23699@email.nla.gov.au> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Jonathan Jermey wrote: > The Australian system also. As an indexer (and self-taught PC trainer) I've > learnt much more from doing than from theory. The theory comes in at two > points, I think: once at the very beginning, when you don't know what the > heck's going on and whether you're going to be able to cope with it, and > again much later, when you can do the job well and want to know how you > might be able to do it better. The first should be just the briefest > possible introduction: this is what indexes are, this is what indexers do. > The second relies on a level of understanding that you can only pick up by > working in the field. Most courses, however, make the mistake of trying to > teach the second along with the first. I agree wholeheartedly with Jonathan. My field of interest is indexing of preiodicals, for inclusion in databases/printed indexes. I employ 6 indexers at present, and we do minimal formal training, relying instead on providing guidelines to new indexers, then close monitoring of their work for at least 6 months. They learn far more from gentle guidance about mistakes, than they would in an artificially constructed course. Even in circumstances where I've trained people more formally (eg overseas students on limited visits to learn indexing), I tend to spend little time on formal training and much more on "real" indexing, followed by careful feedback on that indexing. ---..____________ Sandra Henderson / . ) \\ Manager / ) || National Bibliographic Publications | |/ _) || National Library of Australia |/ - \ / \ || CANBERRA ACT 2600 (Australia) /|| | |\_____\ /\ Ph 61 6 2621523 Fax 61 6 2731180 \\ | | | | Email shenders@nla.gov.au ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:05:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Eilering Subject: indexing/abstracting positions ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I'm interested in doing some indexing and abstracting freelance work. Are available positions posted to this discussion group? Any advice you can give will be most appreciated. I have been an academic librarian in major research libraries for 10 years. Thank you, Susan Eilering ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:05:34 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Meeting of Twin Cities Chapter of ASI ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- -------- The Twin Cities Chapter of the American Society of Indexers will meet at 10 a.m. on December 10, 1994, at Caffe con Amore, 917 Grand Avenue, St. Paul, MN. This is a brunch meeting (the charge is $8.00). We'll be discussing plans for a regional directory of indexers/chapter members, and plans for joint meetings or other sorts of cooperation with such organizations as the Special Libraries Association and the Society for Technical Communication. Mostly, we'll be talking with one another about the joys and woes of indexing. Indexer wannabes and prospective members are very welcome. Come and hobnob with your fellow indexers, eat, and get some holiday shopping done. You'll be in the right spot to do that after the meeting: Saint Paul's Grand Avenue is a delightful place to shop and a refreshing change from megamalls. For directions, and to confirm that you're coming, call Maryann Corbett at (612) 297-2952 (work) or (612) 645-5985 (home) by December 2. Send e-mail messages to: maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:05:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead <76440.2356@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Technical Communication courses on i ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>Again, I learned to teach by doing and by having some excellent mentors. > As a matter of interest, how many indexers have had mentors (excellent or otherwise)? I know that without my mentor it's most unlikely I ever would have got off the ground at all. Funny you should ask this. It was my mentor who gave me my grounding in theory -- on which I have built all my practice since. Jessica Milstead ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:17:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Madelaine M. Weigel (UW-Platteville Library)" Subject: Periodical(s) Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Greetings. By joining this list, I learned where to go to learn how to do indexing (I'm using the USDA's Correspondence Course which focuses on indexing books--so far) and about what software is "out there" to assist in preparing indexes (that information is *not* predominantly displayed either through _Library Literature Index_ or LIBRIS or in _Software Reviews On File_). Can anyone guide me to articles, books, or individuaaddressing the indexing, not of *books* , nor of *individual periodical titles*, but of **periodicals on a certain topic** (like the _Reader's Guide_ or _Alternative Press Index_) ? While taking this USDA Correspondence Course, which combines "book-larnin'" with real-world exercises and elementary index-building (I'm taking the Intro. course!), I plan on trying to index some of the non-indexed periodicals in the academic library where I am Cataloguing Head. So, I plan on combining very practical out-of-course work with my normal "classroom" learning. But I wondered whether I might get some assistance from the living experts on the other end of my terminal: What advice can you give a novice regarding creating an index to farming magazines (for example) or an index to craft magazines ? Madelaine M. Weigel Elton S. Karrmann Library 1 University Plaza Platteville, Wis. 53818 (608) 342-1643. e-mail: weigelm@uwplatt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:17:37 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: money question... ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Hello members of the indexing list... > >I'm a library student who is taking an indexing class right now and finding >it very interesting. I was describing the class to my mom the other day >and she mentioned that a client of hers is publishing a book (on a >sociological subject) and may need an index for it. I asked her to give >him my name/number but now I realize that, although I will have a small amount of hands-on experience by the time this project would start, I have _no_ idea how to handle the business aspects of freelance indexing jobs. ...(And if I do charge by the hour, my mom forbids me to charge him more than $15/hour because that's what _she_ charged him to transcribe his interviews! >Pride thing. You know. (!) To Jennifer and all others on Index-L: This seems a challenging post: a new indexer, much like I was myself once, asking for advice on how to charge, etc. I think how we respond is very important, because our profession deserves to be represented by competent, reliable indexers who are paid what they are worth. First, Jennifer, you are right to be up front about your lack of experience, and that would indeed justify charging a lower price than you would charge if you'd had some experience already. However, I would strongly caution you to look at the material before you even take the job. How are you doing in the indexing class? Do you enjoy it? Is your teacher giving you good feedback? Indexing sociology is not as easy as it sounds. You can expect to do some very heavy thinking. You will need to create conceptual entries and be able to manipulate the vocabulary so as to end up with a coherent, useful product. You will also need to communicate with the author about details such as names of authors cited--how will you treat them? How will you do the job? Will you be using index cards? A standalone computer-assisted program such as Cindex or Macrex? Will you be trying to index on disk files using word-processing software (a very bad idea, but I don't want to get into that now)? All of this brings me to a very important point: I'm sure you respect your mother highly, and I'm sure she did a wonderful transcription job, but that is very different from indexing, and you cannot equate the skills involved. I recommend you charge by the page--depending on the size of the page, the number of entries per page, the type of material, etc. Check out Nancy Mulvany's INDEXING BOOKS, issues of KEY WORDS, your local ASI chapter members, etc. for immediate advice. And get the ASI publication on freelance indexing as a business for a good overview of all the issues involved. Good luck, and keep us posted! Elinor Lindheimer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:18:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: money question... In-Reply-To: <199411172327.AA08768@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Bonjour a Tous wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I'm a library student who is taking an indexing class right now and finding > it very interesting. I was describing the class to my mom the other day > and she mentioned that a client of hers is publishing a book (on a > sociological subject) and may need an index for it. I asked her to give > him my name/number but now I realize that, although I will have a small amount > of hands-on experience by the time this project would start, I have _no_ idea > how to handle the business aspects of freelance indexing jobs. > > Put simply: when he calls and says "How much do you charge", WHAT DO I SAY??? > Do I charge by the hour? Do I charge by the page count of the book, the amount > or depth of the index, or just put out a flat fee based on his deadline? > What if he asks me to get together a contract of some sort? I'm not saying that > I want to disguise the fact that I have no professional experience--I will > be up front about that--but I don't want to seem unprofessional to the point > of cluelessness or unreliability. > > (And if I do charge by the hour, my mom forbids me to charge him more than $15/ > hour because that's what _she_ charged him to transcribe his interviews! > Pride thing. You know. (!)) > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Jennifer Friedman School of Library and Information Studies > 415 W. Gilman #508 Helen C. White Hall, UW-Madison campus > Madison, WI 53703 Internet: jfriedmn@macc.wisc.edu > (608) 251-8917 Bitnet: jfriedmn@wiscmacc > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ This probably isn't what you want to hear, Jennifer, but since you're still in a basic indexing class, you really ought to consider this a learning experience: Assuming the book isn't extraordinarily technical (which means "denser" indexing), offer to do it for free or very cheaply -- $5.00/hour, say, if you figure the job at 10pp/hour, which is about average for academic works when you're starting out. Believe me, you're VERY unlikely to achieve anything close to that rate of speed on your first book. This also means you shouldn't take the job at all if you're not absolutely sure you can make the deadline. The first two projects I did -- 15 yrs ago and looooong after I was out of school (and I never took a class in indexing, to begin with) -- were volunteered by me and I did them for free,... and learning a great deal. One was a not-too-long layman's history of a particular historical site, published for casual sale to tourists & such by a state historical association of which I was already a member. The other was a ten-year index for the journal of another society to which I belonged; it was their first journal index and because I was working at my own pace I had no real deadline. Took me six months, about 20 hrs/week, and totalled 12,000 lines -- still one of the largest projects I've ever done. After that kind of experience, I felt qualified/justified in offering to do work professionally. Nowadays, I work 40 hrs a week as a librarian & archivist and another 15-20 hrs a week indexing, copyediting, and doing technical writing. Think about it.... Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:19:05 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: money question... In-Reply-To: <9411172326.AA28756@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- 1. Never lie to a client about your experience (or lack thereof!); but if they don't ask the questions, you don't have to volunteer. Be prepared to show a sample of what you can do, even if it's based on a class project. 2. You can charge by the hour, page, entry, or flat rate - whatever you and the client are most comfortable with. ASI has a good publication on starting a freelance indexing business which you can probably order by phone, and Nancy Mulvaney's INDEXING BOOKS has a chapter on rate setting. And WRITER'S MARKET gives ranges for indexing rates which may or not be accurate for your region of the country but are at least a starting point. But DON'T UNDERVALUE YOURSELF! Your mother's rates as a transcriber have absolutely NOTHING to do with your rates as an indexer! They are two totally different processes requiring entirely different skills. The $40+ per hour that Mulvaney quotes in her book is not realistic for a beginner; but I personally feel that anybody (regardless of experience) who accepts less than $20/hr (or comparable per-page or per-entry rates based on your estimate of the work involved) is doing a dis-service to all of us! The only exception is if you are doing it as a labor of love or purely for the experience and something to quote on your resume; and that should be clear from the outset (especially to yourself!). Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Bonjour a Tous wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Hello members of the indexing list... > > I'm a library student who is taking an indexing class right now and finding > it very interesting. I was describing the class to my mom the other day > and she mentioned that a client of hers is publishing a book (on a > sociological subject) and may need an index for it. I asked her to give > him my name/number but now I realize that, although I will have a small amount > of hands-on experience by the time this project would start, I have _no_ idea > how to handle the business aspects of freelance indexing jobs. > > Put simply: when he calls and says "How much do you charge", WHAT DO I SAY??? > Do I charge by the hour? Do I charge by the page count of the book, the amoun t > or depth of the index, or just put out a flat fee based on his deadline? > What if he asks me to get together a contract of some sort? I'm not saying th at > I want to disguise the fact that I have no professional experience--I will > be up front about that--but I don't want to seem unprofessional to the point > of cluelessness or unreliability. > > (And if I do charge by the hour, my mom forbids me to charge him more than $15 / > hour because that's what _she_ charged him to transcribe his interviews! > Pride thing. You know. (!)) > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me! > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Jennifer Friedman School of Library and Information Studies > 415 W. Gilman #508 Helen C. White Hall, UW-Madison campus > Madison, WI 53703 Internet: jfriedmn@macc.wisc.edu > (608) 251-8917 Bitnet: jfriedmn@wiscmacc > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:25:54 ECT Reply-To: ab190@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Richard W. Woodley" Subject: HARRY IS RETIRING ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi Index-L folks. W. Harry Hopkinson a long-time indexer with the House of Commons (Canada) Index and Reference Service will be retiring at the end of the year. They made him an offer he couldn't refuse (Early Departure Incentive Program - EDIP). We thought it would be kind of neat if as this occasion approaches he was to receive e-mail messages of congratulations from fellow indexers all over the world - sort of a twist on the congratulatory telegrams thing. Harry indexes Hansard (the Debates of the House of Commons) so we like to think he has the hardest job in the world - reading what politicians say and having to figure out what it means. If you want to add a few pseudo-personal comments - he is a computer hobbyist and a National Capital Freenet member. He is a volunteer with the Red Cross emergency response team that trains for natural disasters and other community emergencies and has an interest in amateur radio. In his "younger" days he was into car rallying. I am sure that Harry would get a big kick out of receiving your messages. Send them to him at "ab749@freenet.carleton.ca". Since this is a festive occasion please do not include any cross references in your messages. Oh, did I mention Harry is a pun lover. If possible, after sending the message to Harry, send a copy to me at "ab190@freenet.carleton.ca" Richard W. Woodley Indexer-Analyst, Index and Reference Service House of Commons (Canada) -- ************* Richard W. Woodley (ab190@freenet.carleton.ca.)************** | National Capital Freenet Information Provider ("go brhlc") | | Bridlewood Residents Hydro Line Committee EMF Information Service | ****************** "Communicate Globally - Act Locally"******************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:27:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: theory and practice ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I liked what Joan Jensen wrote about absorbing theory. I think that those of us who learned on the job probably did a lot of that, learning theory without knowing it. I had taken a six-month extension course in editing at U.C. Berkeley, of which ONE lesson was about indexing, so my book learning was indeed meager. Reading the Chicago manual does give one some theory, though. Perhaps we are hasty in assuming it's all one or the other. > >About mentors: Mine was the editor who was working on an the end of a book production job when I got to work with her (after typing invoices for four months to get my foot in the door, and then asking the boss if I could then learn editing as we had agreed when I was hired), and we did the index together--literally. (This was 1972--it was much easier to work as a team with index cards than it is now with computers.) I later worked on another job with her, and then she passed on an overload job to me. Since joining ASI, I feel that I learned TONS from other ASI members. Learning theory AFTER practicing can be enriching, even fun. > >Elinor Lindheimer > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:27:35 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Periodical(s) Indexing In-Reply-To: <199411182339.AA09235@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Madelaine M. Weigel (UW-Platteville Library) wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > By joining this list, I learned where to go to learn how to do indexing (I'm > using the USDA's Correspondence Course which focuses on indexing books--so far) > and about what software is "out there" to assist in preparing indexes (that > information is *not* predominantly displayed either through _Library Literature > Index_ or LIBRIS or in _Software Reviews On File_). > > Can anyone guide me to articles, books, or individuaaddressing the indexing, > not of *books* , nor of *individual periodical titles*, but of **periodicals on > a certain topic** (like the _Reader's Guide_ or _Alternative Press Index_) ? > > While taking this USDA Correspondence Course, which combines "book-larnin'" > with real-world exercises and elementary index-building (I'm taking the Intro. > course!), I plan on trying to index some of the non-indexed periodicals in the > academic library where I am Cataloguing Head. So, I plan on combining very > practical out-of-course work with my normal "classroom" learning. > > But I wondered whether I might get some assistance from the living experts on > the other end of my terminal: > > What advice can you give a novice regarding creating an index to > farming magazines (for example) or an index to craft magazines ? > > Madelaine M. Weigel > Elton S. Karrmann Library > 1 University Plaza > Platteville, Wis. 53818 > (608) 342-1643. e-mail: weigelm@uwplatt.edu Keep in mind, there are MANY periodical indexes out there in addition to "Readers Guide." For farming magazines, I'd go to "Agriculture Index," for instance. There's also "Access," which picks up quite a few of the general mags that "Readers Guide" doesn't cover. And since I'm a librarian in Texas, I have regular recourse to the "Texas Index," which covers several dozen state and regional periodicals. I'm pretty sure other parts of the country (like Calif) have similar home-grown indexes, though I can't say about Wisconsin or the Great Lakes region, but check with the nearest large university (or Milwaukee Pub Lib). Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:27:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Efthimis N. Efthimiadis" Subject: UCLA: LIS Faculty Positions. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- **************** begin message ************************************* FACULTY POSITIONS University of California, Los Angeles The Department of Library and Information Science of the Graduate School of Education and Information Studies at UCLA is seeking to fill two tenure-track faculty positions, one each at the Assistant and Associate Professor levels. Library and Information Science at UCLA has reorganized in a new and more dynamic structure in partnership with the Dept. of Education to form the Graduate School of Education and Information Studies (GSE&IS). The Dept. of Library and Information Science is continuing to offer its top-rated MLIS and Ph.D. programs, and is also joining with Education to forge new initiatives in seeking grants, offering joint programs, and exploring entrepreneurial approaches to graduate education. Situated at the gateway to the Pacific Rim, the Southern California region is experimenting with new business and educational initiatives in a rich and varied multi-cultural environment. QUALIFICATIONS: The faculty is seeking talented individuals with expertise in one or more of the following areas: information access, information policy, networked information systems, including digital libraries, image databases, or multimedia information system design. Understanding of said area(s) from an information science perspective is requisite. Minimum qualifications include an earned doctorate, a research agenda, and evidence of teaching competence. Salary commensurate with qualifications. Desirable possible secondary interests for either position are legal informatics, economics of information, interface design, school library media research, multi-media resources, or archival administration in an electronic environment. UCLA's GSE&IS has a strong emphasis on research in both its educational programs and faculty activities. Individuals are sought who are strongly research-oriented. Grant-getting experience and continued interest in seeking and carrying out grants is highly desirable. RESPONSIBILITIES: The annual faculty course load is four courses over three quarters. One-quarter length sabbaticals with full pay can be earned after each three years of teaching. All faculty are expected to be productive researchers, to teach, advise master's and doctoral students, and engage in service to the university and professional community. STARTING DATE: July 1, 1995. Send application letter, vitae, sample publications, and names/addresses of three to five references to: Marcia J. Bates, Chair Dept. of Library and Information Science Graduate School of Education and Information Studies 405 Hilgard Ave. University of California, Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA 90024-1521 Email: IATLMJB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Tel.: (310) 825-8799 FAX (310) 206-3076 APPLICATION DEADLINE: Screening of applications will begin Jan. 15, 1995 and continue until positions are filled. The University of California is an equal-opportunity/affirmative action employer. ****************** end message ************************************* Efthimis N. Efthimiadis Assistant Professor Department of Library and Information Science Graduate School of Education & Information Studies University of California at Los Angeles 241 GSE&IS Building, 152003 405 Hilgard Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90024-1520 tel: 310-825-8975; fax: 310-206-4460 email: efthimis@gslis.ucla.edu