========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:59:30 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bob wallace Subject: new CMS (long-ish) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi y'all. I thought you editors, indexers, and other lingweenies who are trying to decide whether to buy the new Chicago Manual of Style might like to know what's in it. The University of Chicago Press's sale catalog contains the following "sample of what's new to this edition--chapter-by-chapter": Chapter 1: The Parts of the Book: new guidelines for describing new editions; explanations of ANSI paper durability standards; new material on book covers and jackets, bar codes, ISBNs, and jacket copy; new section comparing epilogues, afterwords, and conclusions Chapter 2: Manuscript Preparation and Copyediting: expanded coverage of computer-generated scripts and standards of acceptability; new section on editing electronic manuscripts, including on-line Chapter 3: Proofs: revisions in proofreader's marks to reflect computer technology and computer-generated proofs Chapter 4: Rights and Permissions: thorough revision includes latest laws and procedures and a more useful interpretation of "fair use" Chapter 5: Punctuation: fuller treatment of periods and commas with respect to closing quotation marks, with British and American systems contrasted; revised, more flexible guidelines in the use of commas; more discussion of setting off quotations within commas; fuller treatment of punctuating brief quotations, and setting off maxims, proverbs, and other popular sayings Chapter 6: Spelling and Distinctive Treatment of Words: now accepts Random House and American Heritage as alternatives to the preferred Merriam-Webster dictionary; improved spelling guide for compound words Chapter 7: Names and Terms: updated treatment of the names of nationalities, tribes, and other groups, based on contemporary usage; more flexible rules for capitalizing Chapter 8: Numbers: simplified system for abbreviating continuing numbers Chapter 9: Foreign Languages in Type: reorganized for better access and easier use; new section on Hebrew Chapter 10: Quotations: significantly expanded treatment of quoting speech, especially narrative dialogue, interior monologue, and stream of consciousness; discusses alternatives to quotation marks Chapter 11: Illustrations, Captions, and Legends: expanded treatment of illustrations Chapter 12: Tables: four new examples show how to set complicated or unwieldy tables to fit the page Chapter 13: Mathematics in Type: greater coverage of computer programs; expanded discussion of breaking displayed equations Chapter 14: Abbreviations: encompasses expansion and correction of the list of International System Units of measure Chapters 15 and 16: Documentation: chapter 15 covers the humanities style of documentation, with notes and bibliographies discussed separately; chapter 16 covers the author-date system preferred in the natural and social sciences; expanded coverage of special types of documents, including computer programs, data bases, and electronic billboards Chapter 17: Indexes: more flexible guidelines for creating indexes; more help for improving a poorly created index; more coverage of computer-assisted indexing Chapter 18: Design and Typography: more coverage of computer-assisted design, typesetting, and composition Chapter 19: Composition, Printing, Binding, and Papermaking: now concentrates on photo- and electronic composition and offset lithography Thoroughly revised and updated Glossary and Bibliography 936 pages; cloth; $40 Back to real time. Special note to indexers: although the press's description doesn't say so, the new CMS takes a saner view of author-created indexes (by which I mean it is friendlier to professional indexers :-D ). Cheers, Carol Roberts Ithaca, NY rw16@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:05:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kristine Van Dellen Subject: Re: Indianapolis ASI Meeting In-Reply-To: Indexing Services "Indianapolis ASI Meeting" (Oct 4, 5:01pm) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi Are fees involved? My e-mail is acting a little weird so I may not have viewed the entire message. This meeting sounds most worthwhile. Have similar meetings been held (or will they be held) in Mnpls? Sorry to be such a pain but I'm new to indexing and quite excited about it. Kris On Oct 4, 5:01pm, Indexing Services wrote: > Subject: Indianapolis ASI Meeting > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > > > > > Indiana Chapter of the American Society of Indexers Meeting > > Saturday, November 6, 1993 at 2:00 p.m. > > Meeting Room > Pike Library > Branch of Indianapolis-Marion County Public Library > 6525 Zionsville Road > Indianapolis, Indiana > > > 1st Anniversary Meeting! > > Alexandra Nickerson will speak on the art of scheduling for the freelance > indexing business. She will introduce tools to help keep track of current > and future projects. Suggestions as how to best liaise with clients, > evaluate your personal work habits, audit your own performance, and cope > with unexpected contingencies will also be examined. Useful handouts will > also be provided. > > We will also discuss becoming an official chapter of ASI and get started in > the process. I will be asking for volunteers for future meetings to plan > programs and someone to act as recorder of the meetings. > > > Directions: From I-465 on the northwest side of Indianapolis take 71st > Street exit east approximately .75 mile to Zionsville Road, turn right > (south). The library is about .5 mile on the left (east) side of Zionsville > Road. Call me if you need more directions. > > > RSVP: Joan Griffitts > 3909 W. 71st Street > Indianapolis, Indiana 46268 > 317/297-7312 > e-mail: indexsvc@ivax.iupui.edu > > > If you cannot attend this meeting but are interested in future meetings, > let me know and I will keep you on the mailing list. > > I hope to see you there! >-- End of excerpt from Indexing Services -- Kristine Van Dellen Library Services Administrator Cray Research, Inc. Information Resource Center (IRC) 900 Lowater Road Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 ph. 715-726-5392 fx. 715-726-6713 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:05:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susannah Skyer Subject: Indiana ASI meeting: can it be minuted? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The talk on scheduling freelance indexing projects, planning for contingencies, etc. sounds fascinating, but I live way outside of Indiana (London to be exact). Is it possible that minutes from this talk could be posted to this list, along with handouts? (Or perhaps postscript versions of the handouts could be made available at an ftp site?) If this could be done, that would be really great! Susannah Skyer Technical Author (considering freelance indexing :-) ) London ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:42:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexing Services Subject: Re: Indiana ASI meeting: can it be minuted? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Susannah: Yes, I am planning record the minutes of Indianapolis meeting and will also try to make the handouts available to those interested. Kristine: Regarding your question about other ASI chapters in your area, contact ASI at ASI@WELL.SF.CA.US. Joan Griffitts INDEXSVC@IVAX.IUPUI.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 13:36:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Steven L. Camp" Subject: Twin Cities Chapter of ASI, October meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Twin Cities Chapter of ASI will meet on Tuesday, October 26 at 7 p.m. in room 105 of the library of the College of St. Catherine. This time, we're inviting anyone who's interested to come and hear what indexing is about. At least one salaried indexer will be there, and one freelancer, and a couple of folks who hire and train indexers. The more different sorts of work we can hear about, the more interesting it will be. There is no fee, and parking is available without a permit in the O'Shaughnessy lot. Take I-94 to the Snelling or the Cretin Vandalia exit. From SNelling turn right , from Cretin turn left, onto Marshall Ave. Take Marshall to Fairview, and go south on Fairview. Easiest access to the O'S. lot is from Fairview. Go west across campus, and then south to the library building. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 13:53:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith (DataSmiths Information Services)" Subject: South Central Chapter/ASI ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Greetings to All: Announcing... the fall program for the South Central Chapter of the American Society of Indexers (SCC/ASI) in Austin, Texas. <==> STOP PRESS: The fall meeting date for the SCC/ASI has been changed. The new date is November 6. The meeting was changed to --> *avoid*<-- the hordes of football fans converging on Austin October 30 (the original date). We will still be meeting at the Graduate School of Library and Information Science at the University of Texas at Austin. <==> There will be a panel presentation on the publishing cycle from the editor's point of view. As professionals, it's important to understand what our customers are going through, and how we can make their jobs easier. The primary reason for our work is to create an index sensitive to the needs of the ultimate user. The editor is a vital partner in delivering the index to that end user. 'What a pompous description of our calling,' you may think. Perhaps not. A work's index (or the lack of one) is a recurring topic of discussion on the library and information science listservs on the 'Net. More than one researcher chooses between sources based on the index. If the index is incomplete, useful information will be missed, and the reader may move on to another work. If the index is not well structured, the book could become disused because of repeated frustration. Somehow, the author, editor, & indexer team needs to publish the work with an index which is an integral part of the whole. Understanding the publishing cycle and the demands made on the editors may help us to produce a high quality index that will meet the editor's needs as well as those of the ultimate user. Carolyn Wylie, Managing Editor, University of Texas Press, and Anne Norman, Associate Editor, Holt, Rinehart & Winston will be our guests. CHAPTER BYLAWS The members will vote on the adoption of the bylaws, in conformance with ASI's national policies. The proposed document will be sent to all members prior to the November meeting. -------------------------------- REGISTRATION INFORMATION The meeting will be held room 464 of the Graduate School of Library and Information Science at the University of Texas at Austin. The School is on the 4th floor in the Education Building at the corner of Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd. and Speedway. Parking: We suggest you use the State parking lot across MLK Blvd. The university does ticket and tow on weekends. Lodging: There are several hotels close to the university, just off IH 35. They are: Ramada Inn - 5660 North IH 35, 512-458-2340 Motel 6 - 5330 North IH 35, 512-467-9111 La Quinta - 5812 North IH 35, 800-531-5900 Doubletree - 6505 North IH 35, 512-454-3737, 800-528-0444 Please make Please make arrangements independently. Directions: See enclosed Austin map for hotel locations, and the University of Texas map for the location of the Education Building. When coming to the Education Building, note that on the university side of MLK, the cross street is Speedway, while on the other side, the street name changes to Congress Ave. We'll meet in Room 464. When you come in the main building entrance, you are on the 2nd floor. Take the escalator to the 4th floor, turn to your left to the 2nd classroom. Registration for the meeting is $15, lunch is $8. Our lunch menu includes both vegetarian and chicken pasta salads, crudite platter, soda/iced tea, and cookies. Registration forms and fees are due by October 28. Checks should be made out to South Central Chapter, ASI. Mail your forms and check to Neva J. Smith, PO Box 2199, Round Rock, TX 78680l For further information call Neva Smith (512) 244-2767, or Linda Webster (512) 458-1852. -------------------------------- SCHEDULE of EVENTS 9 - 9:30 Registration & Welcome 9:30 - 12 "The Publishing Process" & "On Indexes and Indexers" *Carolyn Wylie,* Managing Editor, University of Texas Press, & *Anne Norman,* Associate Editor, Holt, Rinehart & Winston There will be time for your questions, so bring your curiosity! 12 - 1 Catered Lunch 1 - 2 Business Meeting -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- REGISTRATION South Central Chapter/ASI Meeting November 6, 1993 Name: Organization or Business Name: Address: E-mail: Fax: Day phone number: Evening phone number: Amount enclosed: ___ $15 registration ___ $ 8 lunch Neva J. Smith DataSmiths Information Services, & njsmith@wixer.bga.com _Library_Currents_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 14:09:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Order of symbols in indexes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am trying to advise a client indexing a book with many symbols in the index about the best way to procede. Can someone recommend a standard list of symbols for sorting hierarchy? Also, some symbols precede a word (as in $invert, which means some kind of temporary computer action, as far as they have explained it to me); I'm suggesting these be listed both in the alphabetical listing as though the symbol is not there and in a list with the other symbols. In the previous edition, all the $-- words followed the alphabetical listing, but the symbols and numbers preceded the alpha list. I'm suggesting fewer divisions. Any suggestions to help them would be greatly appreciated. (This is a computer-related book, so a standard in that field would be great.) Also, is there some standard for alphabetizing symbols "as though spelled out" other than the ampersand (per last draft of NISO standards). I seem to recall not much agreement on whether spelling symbols as though spelled out is really helpful (I mean alphabetizing as though spelled out). Thanks for your help. Barbara E. Cohen becohen@well.sf.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 14:46:56 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.state.mn.us Subject: Re: South Central Chapter/ASI In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Oct 93 13:53:43 +0700." ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Neva-- I wish I could come to SCC/ASI on November 6. I'm sending this message because your chapter's program is so much more ambitious than anything we have ever done. I wonder if we would be able to do something like it. Would you mind answering some curious questions of mine? How many members does your chapter have? How much do you anticipate that this meeting will cost the chapter? Do you find that you get better or worse attendance if you charge for a meeting like this? Is it usual for the chapter to schedule a several hour affair every time it meets, or is this a once-a-year event? As you see from my posting about our October meeting, what we usually do is an evening meeting that lasts for no more than a couple of hours. I will be out of town and away from my e-mail until next Monday (10/17) so take your time responding. I'll be grateful for anything you can tell me. Maryann Corbett, Twin Cities chapter of ASI ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 14:47:42 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: George Klima Subject: Sorting of Symbols ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- IBM provides default sorting sequences as part of its National Language Support. Each "code page"--character set with associated encoding--has a default assigned sequence, which can be modified by users according to their needs (e.g., dictionary, phone book, or index). The "Latin-1" code page supports 19 languages, including U.S. English. Full details about sorting sequences, including folding, building of keys, ligatures, and monocasing, can be found in the IBM publication "National Language Support Reference Manual", which is volume 2 in the "National Language Design Guide" series. The order number for volume 2 only is SE09-8002. Here is the default sort sequence for the non-alphanumeric characters: space = syllable hyphen - , ; : ! inverted ! ? inverted ? / slash . accent acute accent grave circumflex umlaut tilde middle dot circumflex ' " French open quote French close quote ( ) left bracket right bracket left brace right brace section symbol (US) paragraph symbol copyright symbol registered trademark symbol @ commercial at symbol international currency symbol cent symbol $ Pound currency symbol Yen symbol asterisk \ backslash & ampersand # pound symbol % + plus-or-minus symbol divide symbol multiply symbol < less than symbol = > greater than symbol logical not symbol unbroken vertical bar broken vertical bar degree symbol greek Mu 2A/21/844 Toronto Info Development IBM Canada Lab :email.klima@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com Phone: 448-3623 (tie 778-) "Middle age is when you've met so many people that every new person you meet reminds you of someone else." - Ogden Nash ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 14:48:15 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: E-mail addresses in ASI publications ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I'd like to make a strong pitch to any ASI officers reading this to consider adding e-mail addresses to membership forms, the directory and any other official publications of the association (like the list of officers and contacts published in Key Words). This would be an invaluable service to those of us who would rather type than talk on the phone! Carolyn Weaver Seattle, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: (206) 930-4348 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 09:16:26 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AnnMarie Mitchell Subject: Re: E-mail addresses in ASI publications In-Reply-To: <9310131854.AA01401@library.Berkeley.EDU> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Carol, I strongly agree with you. AnnMarie Mitchell, President Golden Gate Chapter, ASI On Wed, 13 Oct 1993, Carolyn Weaver wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I'd like to make a strong pitch to any ASI officers reading this to > consider adding e-mail addresses to membership forms, the directory and any > other official publications of the association (like the list of officers > and contacts published in Key Words). This would be an invaluable service > to those of us who would rather type than talk on the phone! > > Carolyn Weaver > Seattle, Wa. > e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu > voice: (206) 930-4348 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 09:16:57 ECT Reply-To: Michael Kalen Smith Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Kalen Smith Subject: Re: Order of symbols in indexes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > >I am trying to advise a client indexing a book with many symbols in the >index about the best way to procede. Can someone recommend a standard list >of symbols for sorting hierarchy? Also, some symbols precede a word (as in >$invert, which means some kind of temporary computer action, as far as they >have explained it to me); I'm suggesting these be listed both in the >alphabetical listing as though the symbol is not there and in a list with >the other symbols. In the previous edition, all the $-- words followed the >alphabetical listing, but the symbols and numbers preceded the alpha list. >I'm suggesting fewer divisions. [...] >Barbara E. Cohen >becohen@well.sf.ca.us The most common method I know of is that used in many software manuals -- including the CINDEX User's Guide, with a few modifications. To wit, group the symbols at the beginning of the index, before the 'A' entries, either "alphabetically" (as though spelled out, the way you would handle dates) or in ASCII order. CINDEX allows this, too. If a symbol appears only a few times, list the locators directly after it in the usual way. If the symbol is a mask, or logical operator, or something else requiring greater discussion in the text, consider making a cross-ref from the symbol itself to some other heading in the index ("Dollar Sign," etc). I don't know if there is a rule for sorting all the ASCII non-alpha characters (other than punctuation, which George has already pointed out has been organized by IBM), but I don't think most users these days would be confused by finding non-alpha characters in a separate group at the top of the index.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael Kalen Smith / Dallas, TX Internet: mksmith@taproot.win.net / CompuServe: 73177,366 *** It doesn't TAKE all kinds; we just HAVE all kinds *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =========================================================================